On the Ramon Sessions Trade
2010-07-27Let’s get into it, Pro-and-Con style:
Pro: Ramon Sessions is the best pure point guard the Cavaliers have had since Andre Miller, and was a necessary acquisition for Byron Scott.
(I’m not being hyperbolic about Sessions with the above statement — I believe Sessions to be a better pure point than Jeff McInnis, Damon Jones, Eric Snow, Daniel Gibson, and Mo Williams. Not saying much, when you really think about it.)
The good news here is that Ramon Sessions can really play. He’s a true drive-and-kick guard who loves to get into the paint, and he’s as good as any guard this side of Kyle Lowry at drawing fouls. He was a highly coveted free agent guard last season, and the contract he ended up getting is pretty fair.
On paper, last year was a huge disappointment for Sessions, but his per-48 numbers were pretty good; 7.2 assists, 15.9% draw foul rate, and the best net +/- of any regular rotation player on the Timberwolves. If he can get back to his 07-08 form, when he averaged 11.3 assists per 40 minutes, that would be spectacular. But if Sessions gets enough minutes and room to stretch his wings, the 09-10 version of him will work just fine.
The Cavs desperately needed a playmaker to make this uptempo offense work, and now they have one. The Cavs have athletes on the wings, but it’s not about how fast the players move — it’s about how fast the ball moves. Sessions is also comfortable playing full-court basketball; 48% of his shot attempts came in the first 10 seconds of the clock last season. If the Cavs put Sessions, Mo Williams, Jamison, and two athletes out on the floor together, they’ll have some serious offensive firepower going. Eternal Sunshine of the Run-And-Gun Cavaliers is getting closer to becoming a reality.
Pro: As TYA guys go, Ryan Hollins isn’t bad.
(TYA = Tall, Young, Alive.)
Hollins hasn’t done much in his career, but boy does he have some tools. He’ll make one or two plays every game that make you wonder why he isn’t a MUCH bigger deal. He’ll then make three or four plays that remind you exactly why he isn’t a bigger deal, but those can theoretically be fixed. Hollins has serious upside, uptempo basketball should suit him perfectly, and he’s 25. If he doesn’t play at all, the Cavs only owe him $5 million over the next two years. If everything works out for him, he could be a worse version of JaVale McGee! CATCH THE FEVER!
Pro: The Cavs got rid of Delonte’s contract with a minimum of fuss.
They made it clear they wanted to get rid of his $4.5 million in guaranteed money before the August 5th deadline, and they got something back for him in return. The Wolves will reportedly waive him, so it’ll be interesting to see where he’ll go — I’d LOVE to see him back in Cleveland, for reasons I’ll get into in a bit. If he becomes a bargain-basement guy, he’s a MAJOR steal. (By the way, Miami could definitely use West to back up both guard spots next season. Just going to throw that out there.)
Pro: The Cavs just completed a trade with David Kahn.
I have near-complete faith in my lack of faith in David Kahn. He had no leverage here, and his moves have not been good. I take solace in this.
Con: Ramon Sessions isn’t all that.
Ramon Sessions is a heckuva 8.2 points/3.1 assists player, but he’s still an 8.2 points/3.1 assists player. He’s not going to put the team over the top, and I don’t see any way this team wins a playoff series with Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams leading the charge every night. I worry that this trade will make the Cavs just good enough to cost themselves a high-lottery pick. I’d love to see this team limp into the playoffs. I wouldn’t mind a 15-20 win season and a ticket in the Harrison Barnes sweepstakes. What terrifies me is 5 seasons of 30-40 win basketball and #12 picks.
Con: This team may now suck at defense.
Take a look at the Cavs’ current rotation:
1. Antawn Jamsion — not a good defender
2. Mo Williams — unspeakably horrible defender
3. Anderson Varejao — excellent system defender
4. J.J. Hickson — absolutely terrible defender
5. Jamario Moon — talented but fundamentally iffy on defense
6. Ramon Sessions — awful defender in Minnesota
7. Anthony Parker — Solid NBA defensive player, above-average but way overrated as a lockdown guy
8. Daniel Gibson — good point guard defender, but a small point guard
9. Danny Green — question mark defensively
10. Leon Powe — not a good defender
The Cavs just lost a defensive mastermind in Mike Brown, and playing up-tempo often means taking more defensive gambles. Oh, and the best way to get wins out of a relatively untalented team is to play defense. I’m nervous about this.
Con: Delonte West should’ve been fought for.
I’m going to reserve final judgement on this until Delonte signs somewhere — for all I know, the Cavs plan to get him back, and the Wolves waiving him indicates that Delonte’s market value is less than $5 million right now. Not to put too fine a point on things, but this franchise has made it clear that it feels basketball is more than just a business. Saving money by waiving a player who played harder than anybody else, gave the Cavs huge bang for their buck in his first year with the team, fought with bipolar disorder for two seasons, struggled with his demons all season, played whatever role the team told him to without complaint, and is now the subject of The Rumor doesn’t seem to reflect a more-than-a-business philosophy. Full post coming if and when he gets signed, but right now I feel like Delonte deserved better.
Con: TELFAIR TELFAIR TELFAIR.
Family Guy isn’t my favorite corner of the zeitgeist, but a reference feels appropriate here. Remember the Christmas episode, where Peter and the kids got the family’s gifts stolen, they scorched the turkey and nearly burned down the house, and generally completely ruined Christmas, but Lois seemed completely fine? Then she asked for a paper towel, found out there weren’t any left, and then just completely lost it? That’s how I feel right now.
Team unceremoniously dumps Mike Brown, the most successful coach in franchise history? Had to be done.
LeBron leaves? I made my peace with that.
Z, one of the most beloved players in franchise history, follows him? Good for Z.
The Cavs essentially waive Delonte, my favorite remaining player on the team? I saw that coming?
But TELFAIR? They really had to go ahead and make Telfair a throw-in? Telfair was my island of happiness in this hellstorm of an offseason. Whatever happened, I could always look forward to Telfair getting real minutes in an up-tempo system. The man is a genius in the open floor, at least in flashes. He’s just been stuck in half-court systems since his sophomore season. Now he’s stuck in the triangle, not to mention 40 other point guards. I didn’t need to see Telfair live up to his potential as a great change-of-pace distributor/scorer guard in a run-and-gun system. What bothers me is that he’ll likely never get a real chance. This one really took the wind out of my sails.
Well, there you have it. Welcome to Cleveland, Ramon Sessions. Sebastain and Delonte, you will be missed.
I am sick and tired of the criticism of Mo William’s defense. Until someone tells WHO–i.e. what other point guard in the NBA– can guard Derrick Rose or Rajon Rondo. Name one person. I dare you! The fact is that no one person can guard those guys. Not Mo! Not anyone!
Colin, you need a beer. Going from five years of playoff basketball to lottery ball over night will do that to a fan base.
*after the second sentence.
(I’m having trouble tonight, damn)
Shouldn’t be a question mark the second sentence. Typo.
Who cares about defense? This team isn’t going to be competing for a championship anyway? I say, let them be awful on D. The worse the defense is, the worse their record will be. We don’t want them to be good. What good is it if they go in as a 7-8 seed? That’s no fun. I’m hoping they’re the worst team in the league.
@justin, i know im holding on to dreams at this point. i just am scared to death of exactly what you pointed out. we wont be able to defend anyone if we dont make a serious trade. but it sounds like byron scott and Mo are getting along great which means a sessions and mo back court. espn says people like joey graham and shannon brown are on the radar. that. will. not. help.
@ David…if only it was like NBA 2K…….. But I think at this point we just need to find a solid option at the 3 and trade Jamison. Its not fair to him at this point. I do also worry about this team’s Defense. Our best Defenders at each position are Boobie, AP, Moon, Jamison/Powe (shutters), Varejao. This is a bad defensive lineup and it is our best one…… probable starters Sessions, Mo, Moon, JJ, Varejao. This is an HISTORICALLY bad defensive lineup. Sessions and Mo cant defend, so that leaves both PG and SG to destroy us. Moon is… Read more »
Delonte, had he been sane, should have started. However, Mike Brown made it more than clear that having big guys was more important than better players…so, even had he not been crazy he probably still wouldn’t have started. It’s to bad I can’t legitmately complain about that, because I love bashing Brown.
everything Judy said about Delonte I agree with. Easily my favorite player, no need to repeat the same stories. I will absolutely admit he was terrible this year. I thought he should have been starting but understand why he wasn’t. He really had trouble finding any type of rhythm whatsoever. I hold on to the flimsy hope that the Cavs will bring him back when he gets waived by the wolves but it just seems silly. If i was the GM of the Cavs I would have made this trade in a heartbeat, offered Barnes a few more bucks to… Read more »
I named my puppy Delonte…
I LOVE this trade. I’m a big Ramon Sessions fan, and when I found out the Cavs could get him for nothing (Bassy and West won’t be on the T-Wolves by the All-Star Break) I thought it had to be a joke. Then I remembered David Kahn was their GM, and it all made sense.
Anyway, people need to ignore what happened last year in Minnesota. Look at Ramon’s numbers in a year+ in Milwaukee. That’s the Ramon we should expect. Can’t wait to see this guy play. Finally, a REAL POINT GUARD!
I just want Hollins to smash LBJ, Wade, and Bosh with hard fouls. That’s all. Welcome to your purpose in life, human meat shield.
Hollins? Really. His rebound numbers for a seven footer are abysmal.
One thing the Sessions signing does too is give the Cavs a a perimeter slasher rather than another 3-point shooting guard. He got 7-8 points a game at the rim last year in Minnesota. If the Cavs really do get into a face-paced, push it offense that could go up a little. Totally echo Justin’s points on Hollins, too. He’s a homeless man’s Amare as far as offensive style goes (mixing up mid-range jumpers with shots at the rim), which is fine for the price. Plus he’ll make energy plays like taking charges and grabbing offensive boards. His minutes were… Read more »
from the off topic and unsolicited advice categories – law school, krolik? talk to people before you jump in – cause we will purge all of what makes your writing interesting in the name of clarity
Hollins is a guy that fits into Scott’s system. He is an athletic, young 7 footer. He can play backup to Varejao or move Varejao over to the 4 if we need to be more defensive or against teams like the Lakers or Magic, who have size. His contract is not that large and his stat line for 15 minutes last year wasn’t all that bad. 55% shooting .5 blocks 3 rebounds and 6 points. I will take it. As for Sessions, I am just hoping he will run the point well. We all know that Boobie is uncomfortable with… Read more »
I’m just not sure what people thought we were getting with that west contract. Sessions is pretty close to the best we could have done.
This is going to be an interesting season. Mike Brown got a lot of credit for being a good defensive coach but I wonder how much of is it merely a product of a slow-down, walk-it-up offense. I’ve seen the Celtics of Dave Cowens-John Havlicek era and the Lakers Magic era -they both played fastball but they never neglected defense at all. It’s really ironic that the Cavs are about to run now when Lebron’s gone but that’s how the cookie crumbles. A running game actually conceals weaknesses in outside shooting and lack of individual offensive abilities so I think… Read more »
Anyone know how many games Delonte will miss next year or care to elaborate on his baggage? I know he’s bi-polar, was found guilty of gun offenses, has a pending NBA suspension, and is serving 8 months of house arrest. But is that it? Is he going to be able to play during the house arrest or is he going to miss 2/3 of the season? If it’s only a past gun offense, a short NBA suspension, and general off the court shady behavior, my inclination would have been to keep Delonte for 1 year and $4 million rather than… Read more »
That’s a lot of draft picks. I guarantee they trade most if not all of them for garbage players.
Does anyone know how many draft picks the Cavs have in 2011? My sense is all of the new picks are for 2012 and later. Given that fact, I think it makes sense for the Cavs to make a run at a low playoff seed this year. I think it would help the franchise “cope” with LBJ departure, and I think its doable if they could acquire a decent 3 (maybe Shannon Brown as a tweener in a small ball lineup?). If they end up sucking anyway, then they can begin a full re-build in 2011-2012 when all of the… Read more »
How many games is Delonte going to miss next year on account of the gun charges? Was he only suspended for 5 games by the NBA? Can he play during his 8 month house arrest?
I hope D-West will be back. Anyway, as for Telfair, the guy’s freakin’ 5’11” and is a gunner who can’t shoot. Yes he’s good in the open floor, and yes he’s up-tempo, but he has not one, but two Achilles heels: if there’s no pass he pulls up for a poor percentage jump shot, and he’s 5’11” and can’t defend. Ramon Sessions is what Telfair could be if he actually rounded his game into NBA form, and grew 4 inches. As for D-West, I’m praying for a 30 day return cause we have a GLARING hole for scoring swing men.… Read more »
Am I the only one that thinks your Seabass lovefest is insane? The guy never got chances in the NBA because he’s not a true NBA player. He had talent as a high school basketball player. That was it. He comes to the NBA and has so many issues – no team wants him, he doesn’t fit in a system, and he doesn’t fit in Cleveland. I say good riddance. When he was traded onto the Cavs I moaned. I figure, though, that if Lebron liked him – then everything would work itself out. Well we all know how that… Read more »
I just really don’t understand this infatuation so many Cavs fans have with West. The guy was NOT, I repeat, NOT good last year. Because he’s a favorite player of so many Cavs fans, they seem to overlook that simple fact.
MattC said it well. at the end of the day, Delonte’s baggage outweighed his talent. (obviously lebron’s talent outweighed his baggage). we don’t know how much else was going on behind the scenes – and it was probably alot. in a perfect world i too would love West on this team. i really liked watching him. it might just be the best thing for all parties involved to just cut ties and move on. it is cliche, but this might be one of those situations where “a fresh start” truly is needed.
Hey John,
I know the fans have a sentimental attachment to Delonte, but let’s not go too far in crucifying the Cavs “business moves.” None of us know just how many headaches Delonte truly caused behind the scenes. According to Windhorst, such headaches were legion. He had to go. I loved his game as much as the next person, but you can only take so many distractions.
Sign Charles Oakley out of retirement for the last roster spot, and have him take care of Lebron.
Am more saddened really with Delonte leaving i think than i was angry at Lebron leaving. DWest was really my favorite player on the Cavs. Besides his demons he played hard everyday. He did whatever was asked of him and would do whatever he could to just win games. Its didnt matter what. He would never ever give up. Playoffs against the Magic one example when he was playing like we needed to get into the playoffs when we were clearly out of that series in game 6. The one day we played against the Spurs without Lebron, we were… Read more »
i can definitely see delonte going to miami, especially now that his – ummm – girlfriend gloria is down there.
You should have done a Pro and Kahn post.
Take Solace JK, Telfair might also get bought out. You may get your wish. Honestly it seems like the cavs might grab Bassie back before West, considering all the off the court stuff. The Cavs really did help him ALOT, more than other teams would. And that says something great about the team. But at the end of the day, its about winning basketball games. And Delonte West was hurting the team more than helping because of his off the court issues. I wish him the best