Preseason Recap: Cleveland 98, Indiana 93 (or grinding out a preseason win)
2014-10-16In many ways, this was a perfect preseason victory. The starters and rotation guys played into the late third quarter and led 76-59 before fourth quarter scrub time erased that lead. Then the end-of-the-bench Cavs totally redeemed themselves and eked out an ugly victory. One thing I really like about this preseason is how well prepared and well-coached the last guys on the roster have been for the Cavs. David Blatt and his coaching staff are to be commended. Since this game celebrated all of Ohio by taking place at Cincinnati’s Xavier University, let’s hand out some Ohio themed player grades.
LeBron James: If there’s a way to coast to 26 points in 24 minutes, LeBron found a it. The economy in LeBron’s game is amazing right now. He worked himself into the post again and again like a hulkier 90s Michael Jordan. He scored with turnarounds, hooks, baseline spin moves, and yes, a Kareem-esque skyhook. LeBron was 9-12 from the floor 2-3 from three, and 6-7 from the charity stripe, and he made it look easy. After the game LBJ had a fantastic quote on forgiveness in response to a question about how he forgave Dan Gilbert. “There’s fine line between pride and progress. I’m not on the pride side. I’m on the progress side.” Grade: A comic sans lettered coffee mug that says, “the greatest basketball player in the world.”
Dion Waiters: Oy. Dion was straight gunning this game. Dion was 4-14 and seemed to be playing his own game outside of the set offense. Yes, he was +13 for the game, but his shot selection was maddening: a lovely collection of long twos early in the shot clock, combined with effective finishes in transition. Still, no turnovers, and lots of Kobe Assists (you know, where the rebound bounces to a teammate). Have to admit, I didn’t notice Dion much on defense, but Rodney Stuckey was 1-6 (though 8-9 from the line). So Dion must have been aggressive on that side of the floor. Grade: Dion is only allowed to eat sauerkraut balls until his shot selection improves. Also, he has to sit at the back of the plane…
Kevin Love was the victim of Dion’s chuckiness. Love went 1-6 from the field, and definitely did not get the ball in his “spots.” Love chipped in four rebounds in his 17 minutes but he seemed pretty checked out this game. And his defense? It was pretty lazy. The pick-and-roll defense in the first half was straight-up bad by everyone. The shows by the bigs were weak, Love included. Add the fact that Love seemed to care little about closing out to open shooters, too; this wasn’t Love’s best game. Grade: National chain pizza. You live in NE Ohio and you’re eating Papa John’s? You make me sick. Go to Little Italy or Luigi’s in Akron. Good defense and good pizza: worth the extra effort.
Brendan Haywood: Brendan started at center to check Roy Hibbert, and this was definitely Brendan’s best game in a Cavs uni. When he didn’t try to do too much on offense he was effective. Haywood notched three blocks and a steal in 19 minutes to go along with six points and five boards. Grade: Amish country biscuits smothered in gravy, cause that’s what Brendan’s ability to check big men for this team is right now: delicious gravy.
Matthew Dellavedova: Starting for Irving, Delly got routinely abused in the first half by George Hill. It’s hard to know whether to blame him, because Matt seemed to be routinely looking for help that wasn’t there, especially when Hill was coming off a screen. Hill got into the teeth of the defense with regularity until Delly finally locked down and took a charge from him in the late second. In the third quarter, the defense improved immensely. Tristan showed hard to help Delly, and the Cavs did a much better job of stopping dribble penetration. However, Delly’s offense was dare-I-say Steve Nashian this game. Delly is becoming a master of the one legged push shot: straight on, from the left, off the square, and always when the defender isn’t ready. He also added a quick no-gather finger roll off the wrong leg that was vintage Nash. He scored 14 and also threw in 2-4 shooting from three, four assists, a steal, and only one turnover. Grade: Brian Sipe bobble-head.
Tristan Thompson continued his relentless board work, picking up nine in 26 minutes including two offensive rebounds he had no business getting. As I said earlier, he was a big part of the defensive improvement in the third, and it showed in TT’s +13 plus/minus. But TT still hasn’t figured out how to seal a guy on one side and finish with the opposite hand. He blew an easy one in the third when he sealed his man on his left side, and instead of converting an easy flip with his right hand, tried a two handed dunk, which got swatted from behind. Grade: Tyrone Hill all-star jersey.
Shawn Marion: The old man seemed deathly afraid of trying to score, and at least twice passed out of easy shot attempts when he should have just put the ball up. Both times didn’t end well. Marion went 1-5 from the field, added three boards, and was -11 in his 18 minutes. He was also a part of the defensive mess of the first half and was a part of allowing Chris Copeland to go off in the third for the Pacers. Marion kept inexplicably leaving Copeland, even though he was red-hot from three. Grade: Great Lakes Holy Moses. There’s a reason you can’t find it in the store any more.
Lou Amundson cannot play a lick of offense, but it didn’t stop him from affecting this game. Sweet Lou was everywhere during the fourth quarter when the Cavs were scrapping for a win. Amundson was +6 and had 5 boards and an enormous block in 12 minutes of playing time. He paired with Alex Kirk to provide the most ineffective offensive big-man duo in NBA history, but their hustle and smart play helped the Cavs win. Grade: Joe Walsh’s “Life’s Been Good.”
Alex Kirk: I’m telling you, he’s making this team. First, the dude sets really good screens: gets wide, stays stationary, and will set them anywhere on the court. Second, he can hit an open 15 footer. Third, his defense is solid, especially for a rookie. Fourth, he’s the gingeriest ginger in the NBA since Matt Bonner. The NBA needs him. Kirk provided the game’s funniest moment when he got an outlet pass with two Pacers trailing him. I quipped, “this should be entertaining,” as Kirk steamrolled to the hoop in sloooooowwwww-mooooshhhhunnnn as the Pacers caught up to him and he missed his shot. Still, Kirk got his miss back and hooked it in. That’s heart, Cavs fans. Grade: Game worn Reds Jersey.
Joe Harris: The honeymoon is over. Harris is increasingly looking like a one dimensional player. Harris was a part of the painful late game lineup that had one offensive ability: shooting jump shots. The Harris, A.J. Price, Chris Crawford, Kirk, Amundson grouping was not something I ever want to watch again. Harris continued to throw up threes early in the shot clock, even though the Cavs were nursing a five point lead in the last five minutes. Harris was 1-5 and a game low -8 for the game. He did hit a very big three as a part of that lineup, and hit the free throws to push the lead up to three in the closing seconds, but his defense and ability to do more than shoot is becoming suspect. Grade: A copy of The Gold Clipper, Canton’s premiere coupon book.
A.J. Price is trying his damnedest to make this roster. Price hit 13-foot pullup to put the Cavs up one with 40 seconds and scored 14 points and added four rebounds in 21 minutes, and frankly, the Cavs would have lost this one if not for Price’s ability as a scoring threat late in the game. He’s been crucial in three straight late game situations for Cleveland. At 28, he appears to be a qualified reserve guard who keeps his head and can score in pressure situations. Grade: Stouffer’s Mac and Cheese: a solid backup dinner option (especially with Sriracha).
David Blatt has really impressed me in the last three games. When the players at the end of the bench come in and execute the game plan on offense and defense just as well or better than the starters (despite the difference in talent levels), it really says something about how smart and well coached those players are. The Cavs third teamers beat Indiana’s second teamers tonight (after blowing a 13 point lead to start the fourth) by out-executing them late in the game. They beat Milwaukee’s first teamers Tuesday. Blatt made the adjustments to the pick-and-roll defense in the second half, and made sure his guys covered Indy’s leading scorer this game (WNBA MVP Chris Copeland) on Indiana’s final possession. What resulted was a poorly conceived Damjan Rudez (0-6 for the game) three and a Cavs win. Grade: Desktop replica of the Moses Cleaveland statue.
My favorite part of the article: “Then the end-of-the-bench Cavs totally redeemed themselves . . .”
I can’t express to you all how much I loved the Dumb & Dumber/LeBron James clip that fluttered around the internet after LeBron’s Letter.
Just in case any of you live under a rock and haven’t seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DUiOM9JkQQ
Poor Tyrone Hill! Had to make his one all-star appearance in 1995 in maybe the UGLIEST ASG jersey of all time
alec agree with you especially if you ” are buying “—-underdog yes haywood stays ( along with kirk ) admunson is out
Hey man I liked Holy Moses
yeah I jumped on gchat to yell at Nate for that too. I was a big fan of Holy Moses. Best artwork on a 6-pack too
I do have to agree with you on the artwork. I never even thought about it or put the Holy Moses/Moses Cleaveland thing together until I wrote this recap
I always thought it was their worst beer (at least before they changed the recipe for Christmas Ale). Something about it just always hit me the wrong way.
Question for CtBers:
List Cavs players that make their teammates better when they are in the game.
1) LeBron
2) Delly
3) Andy
4) K Love
Hopefully, in 2014-15: Kyrie
I don’t know if anybody else does at this time. TnT is getting closer.
K Love is #2. Kyrie is #3. Andy is #4. Dion is #5.
I am going with TnT at #5.
A couple of things about Blatt – I like the way he has managed the fourth quarter by leaving fringe players to stay in together with significant minutes. You can’t get a read on players by giving them 3 minute runs. That’s how Danny Green’s and others get away. I like the way Blatt doesn’t only put them on the floor but sends them out with the message: “Hey, you were stars in high school, you were stars in college . . . you can pass the ball without turning it over, you can box out, you can run a… Read more »
It’s only been a summer league and 4 pre-season games, but Blatt is already my second favorite coach after Lenny. Totally agree with Underdog’s assessment. You can see the intensity radiating off of this guy, but without any sort of panic. Might be just me, but I think he ironically seems to have a bit of Pat Riley (the coach) in him as well.
Totally agree, and I suspect we will soon like him better than Lenny. Lenny was great, but he had some major brain-farts. For example, you can’t blame him for not being happy about getting Ferry for Harper + 3 first round picks. But that is who he had, and he needed to use him. A particularly bad occasion is when the Cavs lost a playoff series because in game # last, Lenny played some dude (red hair, from Notre Dame) at center instead of Ferry, and the guy did absolutely nothing; couldn’t shoot, and walking back on D. Ferry wasn’t… Read more »
Ferry was that bad to start out his NBA career. He became a spot up shooter later but was pure garbage for what they paid. I mean there were times I felt bad because he was definitely first in the gym, last out practicing that jumper but in the end he was a huge bust. Yes he got a ring warming the Spurs bench. 0 MPG.
I believe each team is allowed 4 “affiliate” players who can be cut from the roster and play with the team’s affiliate, Canton in this case. After the obvious first 11, I’d say Harris, Kirk, Amundson, and Price are the last four in, with Crawford, Edwards, and Holt all being offered affiliate contracts in Canton if they want them. If we sign Ray, then one of Harris, Kirk, or Price will get bumped down to Canton on the last affiliate contract. My money would be on Harris (on merit and because he plays the same spot) or Kirk (because he’ll… Read more »
Does this mean you can keep 15 + 4 players? I thought anyone not on the 15 was exposed to being signed by another team.
Anyway, my guess is that they will be using Kirk in certain games. For example, he should get lots of minutes against Houston; he could rough up DH and send him to the foul line six times.
Love the grades, Nate. “You live in NE Ohio and you’re ordering Papa John’s? You make me sick” was my favorite. Big fan of that white chicken NY-style pizza from Romeo’s in Twinsburg btw. As far as the roster goes, wouldn’t it be prudent to keep both Kirk and Price and let Amundson go? Haywood is on this team to be traded and he is old and slow so counting on him down the stretch seems unwise. To me, it seems like AJ Price is ahead of Joe Harris due to his multidimensional skill set and we have harris under… Read more »
Can we ban the use of unadjusted +/- in a single game to infer individual player performance in said game? Seriously, people, that is just silliness.
I like it. It shows how effective or ineffective a certain player may have been in a short amount of time. I expect everyone to take it with a grain of salt.
I think it can be used to make lineup-level points. For example, it could be used to buttress arguments about whether the starters or the bench won a game for us. But given the formulaic way that teams tend to substitute, any individual player’s contribution to the game is going to be swamped by their lineup’s overall success/failure, which is what +/- for a single game captures. Dion yesterday is a great example. Sounds like he didn’t play well, but he was on the court with the starters that did play well. So his +/- is not useful. So why… Read more »
He didn’t play well asthetically, but part of why I mention it is that this kind of high usage, low efficiency player can be effective with the right teammates on the floor: namely ones who can gobble up offensive rebounds, play decent defense, and not turn the ball over. Dion was effective in these moments. Despite how poorly he played, it didn’t hurt the Cavs as much as it could have, which is what I was trying to convey. But I see your point too. Kevin Hetrick likes to use +/- for trends and outliers rather than day-to-day numbers for… Read more »
I vote we start using +/- for commenters on this board. What do you think about that Hot Sauce?
LOL. How about WARC – Wins Above Replacement Commenter?
Or in some cases maybe Whines Above Replacement Commenters
i confess i have a recency bias when it comes to the cavs. the past 4 years have been bad. near catastrophic if i am honest considering the talent. so, having LBJ’s friends on the bench does not bother me since he is here. the starters are fun to watch of course. the bench might mold itself into herculoids 2. i dont know but at the first evidence of an extended loosing streak or defensive problems you watch the naysayers all over (commenters here and national press) come out for blood. it is bocoming alot like how everybody seems to… Read more »
I desperately want to like Amundson, but I can’t. Yes, he runs around waving his hands like a madman nonstop while he’s out there; but it’s aimless chaos. He just chases the ball all over the court without much sense or purpose. While his hustle will generate the occasional scrappy rebound or turnover, it will just as much leave guys unattended because he’s not orchestrating within the scheme of the defense. It goes without mentioning he has absolutely zero ball skills whatsoever.
No thank you.
Agree. Well said.
Yes, well said.
If Haywood is a “go” physically, Amundson is the odd man out. Can’t keep both. Must protect Haywood’s contract . . . and if he can provide minutes against Hibbert and true centers – then he has some value.
That one Hayward block last night was sick! AC almost swallowed his tongue trying to “Get that weak stuff outta here!”
Lebron’s quote ” progress over pride ” is amazing—–very refreshing to see an athlete of his stature ( compared to so many other athlete’s of today ) be a great role model for not only our children but society as a whole—by the way his basketball skills aren’t too shabby either ——-I think both price and kirk make the team—-amundson hasn’t shown a whole lot yet —–if jones isn’t LeBron’s friend he would be packing too—–hopefully the production from miller and marion increase —-they were both considered key acquisitions in the off season
yeah I really liked what LeBron said. He’s become a classy guy.
He’s right. Children hold petty grudges. Adults move on. Too many people are concerned over holding a grudge or pride like they actually get something beneficial out of it. Marcellus Wallace was right.
If Steve Holt agrees to say “Steve Holt” them pump his arms every time someone says his name he HAS to make the team and be the victory cigar.
co-sign
If he does make the team, the Cavs MUST put out a letterman jacket in his honor.
Assuming Kirk and Price make the final 15, what 3 players are let go? If we go by playing time, it seems easy…. Crawford, Edwards, and Holt. Not so easy is if RA joins sometime in near future. I figure it should come down to one of these 5…. Amundson, Harris, Kirk, Jones or Price. Jones is Lebron’s boy so he ain’t going anywhere, and Harris is young and a draft pick, so scratch him. Big Lou seems to be a favorite of the coaches (he must be one helluva practice player because he looks awful in games), so scratch… Read more »
I think the Cavs need a 4th guard and Price will be it for now.