The Point Four-ward: O-Boards Don’t Lie
2014-11-05
First, if you haven’t checked out Ben’s excellent recap of the Cavs/Blazers game, it’s right here.
And now: Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) It’s tough to believe, but these Cavs — the Cavs of the most highly anticipated offense in years coming into this season — are shooting just 42% from the floor so far this season. LeBron James continued a cold start to the season going 4-12 for 11 points against Portland. That included going 1-6 in the paint, a ridiculous number for a finisher as good as number 23.
Against Portland, though, everyone caught the cold hand. The team shot just 36.5% for the game. Kyrie Irving was 3-17 and (in a disturbing trend) was thoroughly outplayed by slumping-until-yesterday Damian Lillard. Dion Waiters was 3-11 and didn’t attempt a three-pointer. Only Kevin Love, who led the team with 22 points and 10 rebounds, managed a remotely efficient offensive game.
I know it’s early, but the team’s stagnancy and passivity on offense is a little disturbing. There’s been precious little of the weak side action that we saw freeing up so many good looks in the preseason and the ball’s been more of a moderately warm potato than a hot one.
While some early season struggles were expected, it’s concerning to see the Cavs contribute to a sputtering offense by coming out so passive. This was the type of approach that, with the addition of James, was supposed to be a thing of the past. But it’s back and, what’s more, it’s got James pretty full in its clutches too.
On the plus side, at least the blow-outness of the game allowed head coach David Blatt to manage his starters’ minutes more than he had in the first two games. Hopefully, that’s not always what it will take.
2.) While Adrian Wojnarowksi’s recent column about James and Klutch Sports generated most of its retweeted buzz off speculation that former Golden State coach Mark Jackson’s end game in signing with Klutch is to parlay that relationship into the Cavs head coaching job, should it become available, the thing that caught my eye was the suggestion that James may not be quite the de facto owner/GM of the Cavs as it appeared during the victory lap of The Return over the summer.
Wojnarowski makes an interesting point: while, yes, James will continue to have (and exercise) a huge degree of influence over team decisions, there is pressure on James to make this work too. For James fairy tale return home to work, the four-time MVP has to make it work on this stop in Cleveland. Therefore, if he butts heads with Blatt (which, to be clear, he hasn’t… just hypothesizing) it could ultimately be messier for him to openly express dissatisfaction or campaign for a coaching change than for him, as the Miami front office forced him to do with Erik Spoelstra, to find a way to make it work.
Should the team’s early season struggles creep on longer than expected, how James carries the responsibility for that could be the ultimate test of how much he’s matured since his first run in wine and gold.
3.) I joked to a friend after the Cavs and Tristan Thompson failed to agree to an extension before the October 31st deadline that Thompson’s monster (or, at least, extremely key) fourth quarter and overtime stretch against the Bulls — which occurred exactly as the two sides were nearing the final hour of their reported negotiations — may have helped the Cavs win the game but actually prevented an extension deal from happening.
You can imagine the Cavs pointing to stats from Thompson’s first three years saying, “Reserve big man,” while Thompson’s agent, Rich Paul, was pointing to his client’s performance in the waning minutes of a sneaky-important Cavs/Bulls game and screaming “Max extension!”
Over the weekend, Terry Pluto wrote a column detailing the reasons why a deal between the Cavs and Thompson wasn’t reached. He lists several other players — Chicago’s Jimmy Butler and Miami’s Norris Cole, for instance — who are hoping for big seasons right before the salary cap takes off like a helium-filled zeppelin next year. Cole is in his first year as a starter and Butler finally (at least, so far) has Derrick Rose to play beside for a full year (…y’know, give or take), so both of these players could be looking at cashing in on an expanded (or, in Butler’s case, a more fully realized) role.
Thompson, though, is aiming to do the opposite. He’s looking to turn a reduced role into a deal in the $12-14 million a year range. On the surface, that would seem nearly impossible. But judging from the first three games of the season, he may be well on his way.
4.) Now, I’ve been fairly critical of Thompson during his tenure as a Cavalier — but so has most every writer (save for the Plain Dealer’s new beat writer Chris Haynes, whose near-constant stream of Thompson adulation has even started to raise some eyebrows nationally). Thompson’s early-season play — while still far from an polished gem — has been one of the bright spots in the Cavs sluggish start.
Thompson followed up his 13 rebound game against the Bulls with eight boards in 22 minutes against the Trailblazers. That’s 10.5 rebounds a game over his last two in which 80% of his rebounds have been on the offensive end. In a key third quarter stretch against the Blazers, Thompson grabbed two offensive rebounds in the same Cavaliers possession, showing the only real energy and determination at a point in the game where, had other Cavs players brought it in a remotely similar fashion, the game may not have gotten away from them the way it did. Thompson has even showed an improved ability to finish at the rim and has been playing like the “energy guy” label placed on Thompson without necessarily seeing the energy play to back it up.
Clearly, Thompson’s 4-10 line from the field isn’t what you want from your energy guy. But on a night where Kevin Love was the only Cavalier able to remotely hit the broad side of a barn, Thompson’s growing ability to turn one Cavalier possession into possibly several is a genuine plus going forward.
Buckets may not lie, but O-Boards do a good job with the truth, as well.
Theoretically, this is not a bad idea cw, but if these guys are struggling to pick up a Princeton-hybrid system, I don’t know that they’d be able to learn the triangle. You need someone like Phil or a coach who’s played it it (like D Fish) to fully integrate that system.
Yeah, Blatt’s not a known triangle guy, but I’m not even suggesting the triangle would have to be majorly integrated. It’s less a playset and more a philosophy, with aspects like the post-play being my main pitch.
The Princeton sets are extremely complicated; there’s nothing complicated about LeBron and Love being beasts in the low post.
Carril’s teams at Princeton almost always started the season slow. (I go back to the pre-David Blatt era as a Princeton watcher.) The offense takes a while to gel, but once it does, it’s worth it. Whatever the defense does, there’s a counter for it.
Give them until around Christmas. If it’s still not happening then, then we have a problem.
Instead of trying to emulate these constant-motion offenses popularized by the Spurs and Heat, maybe there is another historically successful offensive philosophy better suited for the Cavs: the triangle. Part of the issue with the Cavs offense is that no one knows what they’re supposed to do and where they should be at a given time. The triangle offense provides more clearly defined roles for players and could help simplify the needs of the offense each possession. It dictates action by reacting to defenses, thereby facilitating ball and player movement with a purpose instead of passing for the sake of… Read more »
Eh. Everything is going to be fine. A rough start was envisioned by everyone but me, so we should have expected it. Once Leb, Love, and Irving settle in, this team will be fine. There’s too much talent for them to struggle for too long.
Cols be like…
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/imgLib/20131031_don_t_panic_button_LARGE.jpg
Yep. No reason to panic. We have Leb, Love, and Irving.
There was a strong parallel between the Knicks game and the Blazers game. The difference in score reflected the difference in talent between NY and Portland. In both games, the Cavs started strong with great outside shooting but relatively little defense. Almost like they bought into the whole “we’ll just outscore teams until we learn to trust each other on defense” way of thinking. Then the second unit comes in and rotations and schemes fall apart. The starters come back and start playing hero ball (lots of dribbling and bad contested shots) to catch up. This is ultimately the responsibility… Read more »
I hate this, “they’re just getting started” meme. That was the same excuse with Mike Brown, Byron Scott, etc. It’s the best power forward, best small forward, a two time all-star point guard, and one of the most underrated players in the league (Andy). They should be able to figure it out.
LeBron, stop with the motivational speaker BS and just play hard. Also yell at Love when he plays crap D.
LeBron be like…
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X7P1LZrK3G8/UXqEceho92I/AAAAAAAAJWE/KnCk4vl-kus/s1600/sloth-meme.jpg
The Cavs really aren’t running any plays. It’s embarrassing. Someone wants the ball at the top of the key, and at most, there is one screen and possibly one pass to the screener. Basic, guardable 2-man game. The amount of times LeBron or Kyrie dribbled around only to realize (nothing here) and dribble back out to the perimeter was astounding. And Dion still can’t finish at the rim. It makes his devastating first step pretty useless. LeBron’s out there looking for defenses to lie down so he can get some easy buckets to get going. And it’s not happening. Dion… Read more »
It’s very frustrating. Maybe they could simplify the offense somehow? I posted below about the Triangle, I’m curious what people think of running that type of offensive philosophy.
Interesting comment. I too have been putting some thought in this. Lebron has worked hard over the off season to get to top condition. The preseason showed signs of fun while the Cavs ran the floor. But there was still some cause for concern as players were still in scoring mentality instead of working the offense. Now we are seeing one-on-one basketball and people shooting too much who shouldn’t be shooting. Lebron body language is speaking volumes. He is allowing the young guys to fall on their face in order to understand who should have the ball and when. Roles… Read more »
We’re just getting started here. Everyone has to figure out how to turn general concepts of ball movement into actual plays that work with the actual players. That will take time.
I do wonder why Miller isn’t getting any spot up shots, that is just weird.
Love continues to look great. Once the team D is working I think he’ll be ok on both ends. His game is to play position D, not shot-blocking D and get help as he bodies up.
Has anyone ever had more attempted dunks blocked in his career than TT?
“Has anyone ever had more attempted dunks blocked in his career than TT?”
JJ Hickson
THINGS DAVID BLATT SHOULD DO: 1) Bench Dion. Since Delly tweaked his knee, would have to go with Miller. But it’s already time to send a message to Dion. And if he’s not going to change his ways, at least maximize what he does by having him be the primary scorer on the second unit. 2) Swap TT and Andy. Andy is much better coming off the bench and could probably develop a lethal PnR with Dion if Dion cooperates. Andy should still play the lions share of the minutes. 3) Start fining guys who don’t move off the ball.… Read more »
1) AGREE!!!
2) Agree
3) Dion would be forced to beg on the street but it would send a message
4) Yep. He took way too many shots. His stupid running, push, hook, thing is not something to be planned into the flow of an offense.
5) Agree. I think a mix of things is going on with him right now.
6) Agree
Wow great post. I agree with all and at 6.) you finally found a use for Haywood until he is traded.
6): I think Alex Kirk would have been a much better choice than Haywood.
1. Nope. Dion will learn
2. Nope. Andy is a better player than TT
3. Nope. Players will learn
4. YEP YEP YEP.
5. Nope. Let it work itself out. It will
6. Nope. Don’t play dirty.
Good thing you’re not a coach, bro. Do you even put any though into your responses?
Yep.
The key is why would you advocate for taking Dion and Andy out of the starting lineup? We need those guys to be good to win the Finals. Keep them there and they will learn.
No need to panic or worry. We are 3 games into this. Let it all play itself out. Blatt is working on things I’m sure. As are Leb, Love, and Irving.
I don’t know… Maybe because Dion is playing terribly and falling into the same old bad habits he always has (didn’t make a legitimate pass for an assist until garbage time with Alex Kirk), and because Andy has always been much better as an energy guy off the bench and the numbers support that.
The only reason both are currently starting is Blatt being deferential.
So benching your more talented players to play less talented guys 3 games into the season is going help how? Instead, let the starters play together and learn how to play together.
Yeesh. It’s tough being the voice of reason at CtB.
If you are looking for reasons they lost last night, Dion is way down on the list Irving was 3-17. Leb sucked. Those are the two reasons we lost. Let them play, they will figure it out.
Voice of reason?! Wow, you’re more delusional than I thought.
Dion shouldn’t have been a starter to begin with. He is what he is, a ball dominant shooter off the bench and not the floor-spacer the starting unit needs.
And he WAS near the top of the list of why they lost. At least Kyrie had 5 assists. Dion had ZERO assists in 28 minutes (and three turnovers) and it was only 28 minutes because Delly tweaked his knee!
But sure, keep your head in the sand where you seem to enjoy it, Cols. Jeez
“Starting” is just a word and a formality. The lineup changes are more to do with who is playing with who at a given time. While Dion and Andy may be better players than their backups, it does no good to give them run with the other starters if there are other possible lineups that would better maximize the team’s output. I’m not saying we should do it, but benching Dion (also taking him out of crunch time, like in CHI) sends him a message that he needs to shape up. Minutes are a coach’s most powerful tool. Also, if… Read more »
To you it is. I guarantee to Andy and Dion starting is a much bigger deal.
I feel like you read my first sentence and stopped because that’s exactly what I implied in the 2nd paragraph when I said benching can be a way to send a harsh message to a player.
But more importantly, team succes does not care if its “best” players are not starters in name, hence my point about Jason Terry that you conveniently ignored.
To hit back on the original point, there are many reasons why one might bring Dion off the bench. As you said yourself, “Blatt is working on things…” Yeah like maybe who he decides to start.
Cols be like…
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/bd/bd084ee9e7f6a2595b81579ca9b5595544929d7d7b38656365538d3917019c99.jpg
And also…
http://cdn.staticportent.com/images/2009/09/ostrich-head.jpg
I believe Thompson has a place on this Cavs team, specifically with his athleticism and ability to bang. But, his rebounds have come on nights where we shoot HORRIBLY. So, keep that in mind. He’s a disaster on the offensive end and plays middle of the pack D in my mind. It will be interesting to see how he keeps evolving this year and what $$$ amount he might warrant.
The whole offense sat around..didn’t even look like we ran plays. Yeah kyrie and lebron didn’t produce but the same thing I’ve been saying for three years Dion is the plague for this team. Whatever the number was, passed the ball 5 times in 27 minutes? He needs to come off the bench and learn his spot and shoot role. He has no basketball IQ.
Eh. Of course we will lose if irving and Leb play like they did last night. I can’t fault anyone but those two guys for last nights loss. Oh well. They will get better. I guess it will take a bit longer than I thought.
In other news, the Heat continue to have excellent ball movement and passing. I wish we had someone as talented at creating an offense as Spoelstra.
How has Dion got off without blame. He played like the superstar he thinks he is but is well short of being. MOVE AROUND DION!!!!!!!!!!
Spoelstra enjoyed 2 first round losses (08/09) and a 9-8 start in 2010 in his first 3 seasons as head coach. Yet we are giving Blatt 3 games.
James scored 31, 15, and 16 in his first 3 games with Miami. Very similar.
Lebron injury rumors are the only thing that worries me. These chemistry issues will be resolved.
Cols, Stop trying to make “Leb” work. It’s not going to happen. A lot of blame to go around from last night but the guard play is certainly a focal point. Too much dribbling and not enough passing, coupled with too many long twos. It is evident that LeBron is being passive but for what reason, I haven’t any idea. Growing pains and lack of effort do not go hand in hand. Something is amiss. I can give a pass on turnovers caused by trying to make the extra pass, work within an offense, and trying too hard, but not… Read more »