The Point Four-ward: Brewer(y) Tour
2014-11-19Four points I’m thinking about the NBA and the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) Over the weekend, reports surfaced that the Cavs were interested in trading for Corey Brewer of the Minnesota Timberwolves. The Cavs have the trade exception they acquired in the Keith Bogans merry-go-round and, therefore, would not have to include a player in the trade. The Wolves are said to be looking for “future assets” in exchange for freeing up their glut on the wing and the Houston Rockets have also been listed as a potential trade partner. The Cavs roster stands at 15 right now, so if they don’t include a player in the trade, one would have to be released.
If this trade happens, Brewer likely slides right into the starting lineup, moving Shawn Marion back to the bench. At 6-9, Brewer brings tremendous length to both the shooting guard and small forward spots. Outside of being Kevin Love’s preferred touchdown target for his outlet passes, Brewer has never been known for his offense. He’s never developed into even an average three-point shooter (29% for his career), but he has a tendency to find ways to contribute across the box score.
2.) The Cavs interest in Brewer seems to come down to two things: a.) his relationship with Love and b.) the Cavs front office realizing that their defense is even worse off than they thought coming into the season.
When asked about his favorite teammates in Minnesota, Brewer is always the first name out of Love’s mouth — and, to be fair, the Cavs have been linked to Brewer basically since the moment they brought Love aboard. But, the fact that this “more serious” trade discussion for one of Love’s favorite players came out just days after the first of what will probably be weekly “Kevin Love’s going to the Lakers” rumors swirled cannot be coincidence.
Likely, the Cavs are telling Love, after their new forward watched the parade of LeBron James’s former teammates sign with the club, “hey, we’ll get someone you like too. Sit tight.” It’s just part of the tight-rope the Cavs front office will have to walk to make Love still feel like a star even on a team where he is no longer the primary focus.
3.) I’m not sure how much adding Brewer moves the needle in terms of the Cavs overall ability to be an average defensive unit. As Ben pointed out yesterday, Shawn Marion is doing a better job covering opposing wings than it looked like he’d be able to early in the year. Yes, Marion is playing slightly out of position, but it was encouraging to see him cover Kyle Korver like a beard of bees in Saturday’s blow-out win over Atlanta.
Adding Brewer to the starting lineup would allow Marion to spend more time spelling James and lets the Cavs run Dion Waiters out with Marion, Mike Miller and Tristan Thompson with some spot work from Joe Harris. This gets more complicated when Matthew Dellavedova returns as, I’d guess, head coach David Blatt isn’t going to go ten deep most nights. Right now, Miller, who still hasn’t found his stroke, would be the most likely to see his minutes cut… which would mean that the Cavs would be getting just better than zero production from the off-season signings of Miller and James Jones.
4.) But, enough about players who may not ever join this team.
This is a big week for the Cavs. They face the defending champion Spurs tonight and then travel to face the Wizards of Washington on Friday before finishing against the Eastern Conference leading Toronto Raptors back at The Q.
Yes, the Spurs haven’t exactly been world beaters in this season’s early goings, but, man, do they scare the ever-loving crap outta me when I think about them facing the Cavs tonight. It seems like a team as smart and patient as the Spurs should be able to wait for the Cavs defense to give them openings all night long.
So, I propose a distraction.
I wrote a piece for the recently released (and amazing, as always) CavsZine 5 (click for details about how to get your copy) about rewatching Game 4 of the 2007 NBA Finals. For those of you short on your Cavs history, Game 4 was, of course, the game that completed the Spurs gentle sweeping motion (with legs slightly bent, hands placed no lower than 1/3 of the way down the broom handle, smooth right-to-left motion, etc.) of a Cavs team that is popularly considered to be the worst Finals team ever. I’ll tell you this much: hindsight does little to superglue the bloom back on that rose. That team, while more competitive against the Spurs than history will have you believe, was not what you’d hope for from a contender. Remember, the Cavs started Game 4 with Boobie Gibson (due to a Larry Hughes injury), Sasha Pavlovic, Drew Gooden and the not-yet-smooth-domed Zydrunas Ilgauskas flanking a 22-year old LeBron James.
But I have not come here to pile higher on top of the little lineup that could (almost). Instead, I offer a question: what would be the equivalent of this lineup in the NBA of 2014?
The Cavs are much more talent-rich in 2014 than they were seven years ago, so I’m not suggesting that the starting lineups of 2007 and 2014 have very much in common. They don’t. What I’m asking is “Who in today’s NBA is comparable to Sasha Pavlovic for the 2007 Cavs?”
Who out there right now is a good comparison for Gooden (bearing in mind that “2014 Drew Gooden” doesn’t count)?
What is the 2014 equivalent of 2007 meh.
Now, sure, no two players are alike, but that doesn’t mean that when I look at Mike Scott of the Atlanta Hawks I sometimes think of Gooden, who probably missed his true calling coming into the league just before the stretch-four revolution. Or that when I think back to Gibson, I see visions of Brandon Knight dancing in my head. Pavlovic, to me, is still largely an enigma. And Ilgauskas is the real tricky one here.
So, come along and play with me. Who is your starting lineup for the 2014 version of the 2007 Cavs?
boobie gibson-d.j. augustin
sasha pavlovic-evan turner
lebron james-anthony davis (in terms of potential and age-nobody out there like young Bron right now)
drew gooden-brandon bass
big z-nick collison
Nick Batum could have been LeBron. Jason Smith as Big Z? Danny Green as the combo of Sasha and Boobie.
The incredible disappearing Nic Batum? The only guys who could ever be LeBron are Dr. J, Magic Johnson, and Oscar Robertson.
There’s no equivalent. The NBA is so much deeper than it was in 2007. Sasha Pavlovich wouldn’t even be a 12th man in this league. Damon Jones? Can you imagine him starting for anyone now? Boobie Gibson? Where would he play? Half the 2014 guys have to be hobbled to approach the badness of that Cavs roster. Xavier Henry might be the equivalent to Sasha. He can only average 10 minutes for the Lakers. Yes, Sasha shot .425 from the field and .400 from three that year. OK, Sasha could be Wesley Johnson, too… Drew Gooden is clearly J.J. Hickson.… Read more »
Nailed it, Nate!
Wow… Nate nailed it, indeed. Well frickin done!!!!
I’ll always remember Ira’s Newblehood.
Added a pic and a link for Cavs Zine 5. It’s really an awesome piece of work. Make sure you try to get a copy.
EvilGenius
To keep on the conversation above, do you really think that any Cavs team without Lebron over the past decade+ isn’t hot garbage? Because all stats say that those teams would have been really really really awful without him. Especially the fact that he left and the team the next year won 19 games.
They’ve sucked without Lebron and I’m pretty sure once LeBron leaves they will suck again. Which is fine. It’s impossible to replace the best player in the NBA with anyone.
I agree that without LBJ, they were bad. That is true. But I think that is a bit of an unfair comparison. The players on those teams were great compliments to LBJ. They could shoot 3s and they could play D. Without a facilitator, a team like that collapses on itself. Which is exactly what we saw post LeBron. But, for better or worse, that was the intentional design of those teams – every piece was added with an eye towards its synergistic compliment with LeBron. So removing LeBron and calling them bad is a bit unfair to those players… Read more »
I think a team that wins 19 games deserves to be called bad.
Different point than I am making, but sure. Kind of hard to disagree with such a simple, narrow statement.
You don’t think they did their best to tank? They did trade and fire guys after Lebron left. And added Baron Davis….I mean come on. And then they won the lottery and KI.
No, I’m not saying that any Cavs team without LBJ over the past decade hasn’t been bad. Again, you are missing my point. What I am saying is that you are wildly generalistic in expressing your thoughts.
My comment was more a commentary on your world view of the Cavs and not a specific reference to how good or bad the Cavs are with or without LBJ. It was a reference to how little room for debate you seem to have on anything. Not even a microgram’s worth.
In unrelated and sad news today…
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11901716/pg-delonte-west-released-shanghai-sharks
The most amazing thing about this article is what he averaged last season. Wow!
Don’t want to click. What did he average?
23.7 pts and 5.7 rebounds
First, I’d like to say that I’d LOVE Cory Brewer on this team. If you can add a wing with that kind of length and defensive rep, it can only help shore up what is one of the two glaring weaknesses of this team. Especially if you can do so with the Keith Bogans memorial trade exception and a future second rounder. I’m excited for the Spurs game tonight because this is the ONE TEAM where the narrative should be reversed for the Cavs. Instead of having the target on their backs, the Spurs should be wearing the bullseye tonight… Read more »
Question: If the Cavs need an athletic wing and a rim defender, they can potentially get either Brewer or Mozgov to fill a need- but only have the assets to afford ONE of them- which one is more important?
That’s probably a question the front office is wrestling with right now.
Brewer. Easily. But I don’t think they need him. All they need is Ray Allen.
Agree with Cols that it’s Brewer. But disagree that they don’t need him. While I’d welcome RayRay’s silky outside shooting (if he’s still got gas in the tank), he’s not going to be capable of providing even passable D on the perimeter. Brewer is still young, long and D’s up well. He may not be great from beyond the arc, but Cavs already have Love, LBJ, Kyrie, Dion, Matrix and a rapidly improving Joe H who can hit the three. And if Mike Chiller heats up, or Jesus Shuttlesworth does wind up coming, it’s gravy.
Get both. Brewer and Allen. No reason not too. But please no slow big men who clog the paint. Ugh and Ugh and Ugh.
We need a big man to clog the paint, ON DEFENSE!!!
No. We don’t. Please no. No slow big men who cannot play offense. Do Not Want.
In your asstute logic and clarity you continuously share with us on this blog, how about no big men at all? Since all big men clog the paint and are slower than wingmen, why not all wingmen just flying from corner to corner and interior to exterior and back again any time a pass is made? They’ll stop anything and everything and score at will on the offensive end. Getting 15 guys who all play the same position as long as they’ve won a championship before seems to be your path to winning it all. Heck, a team with Lebron… Read more »
Before I happily play the lineup game, I would just like to point out that history has somehow forgotten the 2009 Cavs, simply because they didn’t make the finals. We, at the Blog, know perfectly well how good that team was, but it seems the national media conveniently forgets that squad because it doesn’t fit the “Lebron by himself” narrative. If you played out the 2009 playoffs 10 times, the Cavs win the title seven times. The 2007 Finals team was a great defensive unit after Pavs was put into the lineup. The Larry, Pavs, Bron trio made life miserable… Read more »
The 2009 team was terrible outside of LeBron. That team lost LeBron and then proceeded to win 19 games the year after they won 66. Just a terrible team.
Sorry Cols, but you are forgetting a season. That was the 2011 squad that only lost Lebron, Shaq, and Big Z from the 2010 team that still won 61 games. Either way, both the 2009 and 2010 teams were not terrible. The 2010 team was far
inferior and wrecked by LeBron’s situation and Shaq refusing to come off the bench. Jamison’s spectacular D didn’t help matters.
The 2009 team was great against everyone except the Magic and their magic.
OK. The 2010 team was terrible. To go from 61 wins to 19 and losing basically LeBron means that team sucked.
Ben, you know better than to present facts to Cols.
In Cols logic it’s simply: Cavs – Leb = Garbage
Um. I’m pretty sure the facts support this. Cavs-Leb= Garbage.
There’s no team in the last 15 years of Cavs basketball where this is not true.
You’re missing my point. I meant that this is the only logic you seem to care about when discussing those earlier Cavs teams.
Facts also supoort You +Your Posts + this blog = Garbage but that doesn’t seem you to stop you from constantly sharing your garbage with us now does it? You’re either a super massive troll who has perfected that art or you are just one of the most incredibly naive (to put it nicely) persons I’ve ever seen post online with the same worthless take since day one of Lebron’s return. It was cute at first but my god. Make it stop please. Anyways, lunch is almost over and for the first time in a long time, I can honestly… Read more »
Ben, I just got an email from Evan Fournier’s agent, and he’s upset about the Sasha comparison. Very upset. Because of you, Evan Fournier is staging a one man media blackout of CtB.