Recap: Cavs 90, Spurs 92 (Or, of fractals and fumbles)
2014-11-19
Overview: After four hard-fought quarters, the Cavaliers fell short against the defending champion Spurs when LeBron James turned the ball over at half-court with Cleveland down by two and just seconds on the clock. Anderson Varejao led all scorers with 23 points on 16 shots, while James and Kevin Love combined for just 25 points on a combined 10-29 shooting night.
Cavs-Related Bullets:
First of all, let’s take a deep breath and be glad that it’s not 2010 anymore. LeBron has won “the big one,” twice, so the news cycle won’t be dominated by his last-second turnover until the next time the Cavs win a game. We can focus on things like the process, and basketball. That’s good.
What is less good: the basketball that must be talked about.
It is inherently unfair to compare what has been, for the past half-decade or so, the best pure offensive system in the league, run by coaches and players that have been in San Antonio together for years and years, to the Cavs’ system, which is helmed by a brand-new coach and players who are just getting to know each other.
That said, the contrast between the two offenses being run was pretty striking, as expected. The Spurs are always, always, always moving the ball and moving themselves, and with purpose. They’ve got their ball-handler looking to get to the rim, their primary option (the roll man, usually), looking to get to the rim, and then they have a 3rd and 4th option ready to catch the ball if those get shut down and either shoot the ball if he’s open, hit a teammate who got free on the rotation, or put the ball on the floor and start the process anew, with a new screen, if he’s not. If all the options get shut down, the safety valve is a post-up for Tim Duncan on the left block. That’s an offense that wins multiple championships.
One set that I can remember went as follows: Tony Parker came all the way around the baseline, coming off of two down-screens. When he caught the ball, he had a ball-screen set up for him to both his left and his right. He drove, sucked the defense in, and made a quick-hitter pass to Cory Joseph, who had the option to take the open 3 or swing the ball to the short corner for a 3. (Joseph took the worst option, which was to make the help defender bite on the rotation to the corner, take a dribble inside the line, and put up the long 2, but he made it, and again, it’s about the process on a team level.)
The Cavs, meanwhile, are just sort of setting lazy picks and hoping something good will happen. The three players who aren’t directly involved in screen-roll option are just watching the action, and there’s no movement before the primary action to keep the defense from keying in on it. The difference between watching the Spurs and the Cavs run their respective offenses is the difference between watching Peyton Manning clinically going through his reads on offense and Tim Tebow just sort of improvising. There are a lot of reasons to be happy about this game, which I’ll get into, but the process on offense is simply not there.
So, how did this game end up so close? First off, the Cavs showed up to play on defense tonight. The Spurs missed some open shots, but the Cavs did a good job communicating and switching on defense to take away those easy drives and open threes, and were able to force the Spurs into relying on a lot of Duncan post-ups and shots from their alternate options. It wasn’t great defense, but it was more than adequate, and that’s certainly an upgrade at this point.
Second, the Cavs played with a ton of energy and made good things happen with it. Extra possessions, fighting for loose balls, all that good stuff. Pop told his team that “they” (either the Cavs or the Q) thought it was a playoff game, and it really felt like he was right. Chippy game all-around from the Cavs.
Third, the Cavaliers employ a number of very talented basketball gentleman who are good at making tough plays. LeBron knocked down some off-the dribble threes early when the Spurs sagged off of him on ball-screens and in transition, as well as some vintage LeBron attacks of the basket that ended with either a layup for LeBron or a nice pass to Varejao for a layup, and Kyrie did his thing and made some absolutely bonkers jumpers off the dribble.
I do want to make this clear with regards to my earlier point between the difference between the Cavs offense and the Spurs offense — the Cavs’ offense is NEVER going to look like the Spurs’ offense, and it shouldn’t. You could put Pop on the Cavs’ bench tomorrow, magically burn the knowledge of his sets into all 12 guys’ heads, and the Cavs’ offense still wouldn’t look like San Antonio. The primary scorers are just too talented and good at creating in one-on-one situations for an offense that democratic to make sense. To touch back on the earlier metaphor, it would be like trying to put Tim Tebow in a traditional pro-style offense when he was back at Florida. The happy medium is finding a system that keeps multiple options open at all times without limiting what the members of the Big 3 can do individually, and that’s not happening right now.
LeBron and Andy are back in their old rhythms, and he’s by far the closest thing the team has to a true playmaker, but he’s still searching for home-run passes instead of just making a good, safe pass and trusting the offense — if the pass isn’t going to end in a layup or an open three, he’s not making it, which explains the elevated turnover count. I don’t think I’ll delve too deeply into this one for LeBron, because Kawhi and the Spurs really do know how to defend him. Still, I only counted two or three post-ups for LeBron all game, and that’s distressing — Kawhi is one of the few wings in the league that LeBron can’t just bully by backing down from the perimeter, but more Cavs sets should set up LeBron on the block or mid-post as a failsafe option. You know, like the Spurs do.
Kyrie. I’m going to take a lot of heat this season for being too hard on Kyrie, but I’m not seeing it from him right now. He’s not playing like a scoring point guard, he’s playing like the 6th Man of the Year version of Ben Gordon. That’s good, but it’s not a championship point guard. This isn’t about counting assists — he’s not looking to pass when he drives the ball to the basket, and his best plays are those long jumpers off the dribble that fundamentally don’t open up anything for his teammates. He’s not even committing to setting a real pick on the 3-1 pick-and-roll. Even Mario Chalmers could do that. That little action? The one where you get to be the screening option for a 260-pound man who’s a threat handling the ball at the top of the key? That’s not an action most point guards have the luxury of running.
I’m worrying about Kevin Love. He’s invisible. He was basically Samardo Samuels with a few extra rebounds and a sweet full-court outlet tonight. He’ll be better than that most nights, but I should never ever have reason to mention Samardo Samuels and Kevin Love in the same sentence. The threes he got were both what I call “short-rope” threes off the pick-and-pop — he was the primary receiving option, and the defense knew as soon as the ball left the ball-handler’s hand that it was going to end up getting launched by Love. Because he’s not getting clean looks off of good, crisp, multiple-pass ball movement, he’s forcing the three-point looks he can get, and it’s hurting him. The “let’s get the big guy going” stuff the Cavs did early in the third isn’t enough — Love is skilled enough to exploit mismatches created by movement very, very well, but he needs his inside-outside game going to be elite, and that requires the ball to move. It’s gotta start finding him soon.
Poor Anderson. He’s all the way down here despite being the Cavs’ best player of the game, and my whole paragraph on him is about how it’s time to stop patronizing Anderson Varejao. I’m not going to use BIG MEDIA as a strawman here. That isn’t what this is about. Andy isn’t some untalented dude who manages to be a nice player because he hustles and his big silly hair bounces around. He has elite NBA skills that don’t happen to include the ability to dribble the ball, score in the post, or shoot a jumper with his elbow anywhere remotely near where it’s supposed to be. At 6’10-6’11, the ability to catch the ball in traffic is a skill. The ability to catch and finish from all angles at full speed is a skill. The ability to use, yes, that much energy at all times at that size is a skill. “Scrap” and Lactic Acid are not the same thing. The ability to see the floor offensively, know when to cut, and cut hard to the rim in ways that keep pressure on the defense is a skill. Andy isn’t good because he hustles. He’s good, and happens to hustle.
I’m at a weird place with Dion. I actually like the little things he’s doing, but his shooting/scoring game wasn’t working when the Cavs were bad, and it’s not working now that they’re good. He needs to fall in love with the three-ball and working before he gets the ball on offense, and soon.
Well, that is a lot. That’s what happens when you take a recap haitus. We saw good stuff from the Cavs, and we saw good stuff from the Spurs that the Cavs should be doing. Until next time, campers.
I wonder what this thread would have looked like if Lebron had scored on that last possession?
Depends if it was a two to take it to OT or a three to win it.
You were way too harsh on Kyrie. He played a great game. Shutting down Tony Parker is no easy task. Kyrie has had some subpar games. This was not one of them.
The effort and shot-making were there. It was a strong game. But the actions aren’t there. LeBron is a good passer, but he’s not a true point guard — as it was mentioned, he’s different from Diaw in that he can really only complete plays that he creates. I’d like to see something of a process that can be built on. What’s the issue with running Kyrie of that double-go screen with LeBron and Love at the top rather than having LeBron run it with Love and Varejao? It’s on Blatt, LeBron, Kyrie, and Love to get this clicking, but… Read more »
What’s the issue with replacing Lebron as point guard with Kyrie . . . and telling Kyrie he can’t shoot on his first touch . . . or until there are less than 10 seconds on the shot clock? He’ll look like he did in the FIBA tournament.
Those same rules should apply to Dion. He’s not allowed to shoot from 3 if he just dribbled up, he has to kick or drive. He can shoot the spot-up 3 if given the chance.
Good write up, John.
I’m just thinking how difficult (impossible) it would be to design an offense with Lebron on your team. Most of us thought that D Wade was done, but he looks like a new player now that he doesn’t have to defer to Lebron.
I bet that not all NBA coaches envy Blatt’s situation.
Wow, I wish you were being sarcastic. 1. I think having the best basketball player in the world would make it exceedingly easier to design a functional offense. I can’t see any rationale defense for the opposite being true. 2. D Wade is done. Maybe you fell asleep this week as his first string of DNPs for the year began. And, I assure you, it’s the first of many similar streaks. Have fun trying to carry Wade and Deng’s corpses to the playoffs, Chris Bosh. 3. I’d wager that the large majority of NBA coaches envy Blatt’s situation if they… Read more »
Here here Jon. Now when are you gonna get on the podcast?
Was my comment too controversial? I find it interesting that I have been able to forgive and forget with Lebron coming back. I have been surprised how quickly I cheer for him again and like him as a player. I do not feel the same way about Windhorst and Krolik. I thought it was hilarious that Krolik compared Love to Samardo Samuels because I would have guessed Krolik didn’t know who Samardo is. Krolik left town to write for the Heat Index during the Samardo et al. years, but now that the team is relevant again, Krolik is back as… Read more »
Your comment was not deleted because it was controversial. The reason why your comment was deleted, and why you are now banned, is because it was incorrect and moronic. If you read this blog, you’d know that I remained the primary writer here in 2010-11, and hundreds of my thousands of posts on this blog over the years have been written after LeBron left. Given that your contribution to this blog has been just under 30 comments, with the first of them coming in 2013, it does not surprise me that you do not know this. I stopped being the… Read more »
Maybe a little harsh. I think you could have explained all of that to him, gave him a stern warning, and let it be. Like you said, he’s only been around since 2013, so he may have simply been ignorant of some of those facts and jumped to false conclusions.
Just sayin’,,,
Lmfao.. did he hurt your feelings? Nothing like censoring/banning someone’s post/opinion because you didn’t like or agree with it..smh I better watch out or I might get banned too, and be forced to create a new name/email..
I don’t agree with everything Ctown said, but I also questioned the timing of your “return”..
I thought Kyrie played really well last night, and tried on defense. Kevin Love seems to be the glaring issue on defense right now. He played awesome one on one with guys, but if you ask if to navigate a few screens you mine as well ask him to right an essay about Proust with two hours notice. Maybe Love gets to simply switch on pick and rolls now? Also the Spurs really really eviserated the Cavs by beating the defensive rotations, however, I think this was the most crisp the Cavs defense has played all year. The Spurs are… Read more »
Actually Nate…if you really watch that inbounds play, it worked to.perfection. verajao just didnt throw it ahead of Lebron…he was wide open and would jave had a dunk but had to jump backward to reach the pass. Fwiw.
They have sucked tho on inbounding for the most part.
Good recap. Much better than the CtPanic we’ve had after losses. I think this was a fine example of how good this team can be. They came really close to knocking off the champs even with crappy games from Love and Leb.
Your posts are the polar opposite of the “CtPanic” and are equally (if not more) annoying… Keep pushing the corny “Leb” name too… Wish we could block users here, so we don’t have to see their posts..
It seems like every cavs game I watch, there will be a couple of possessions a game where the cavs play good, team defense for 22 seconds of the shot clock and then something bizarre happens and the other team scores on a tough, contested shot or a garbage bucket. Every time that happens, it sucks the energy out of the cavs to play defense. For example, that possession in the the third or fourth quarter where there was a loose ball that squirted away from Might Joe Harris (love that nickname and his fu man chu) and Danny Green… Read more »
Agree with a lot of JK’s assessment of last night’s tilt. The two exceptions are his view on Kyrie and his unfair comparison of KLove to Samardo. Other than Andy last night, Kyrie looked like the most stable and dependable player on the floor for the Cavs. Not sure why you don’t get the ball to Kyrie on that last play with 8 seconds left. With as sloppy as LBJ’s handle has been so far this year, Kyrie probably stands less of a chance of turning it over. But then it would all have been moot anyway if Blatt had… Read more »
So, it looks like I’m in the minority here. I was actually encouraged by what I saw last night. I feel much better about last night’s loss to the Spurs than the win over Boston last week. Some of my bullets: KLove- I agree, Love is rushing his shots, and still looks generally lost offensively. But guess what KLove did last night? He CONTESTED SHOTS!! And it mattered. I counted four contested shots on Duncan post-ups; three resulted in misses, including an outright block (I think) in the first quarter. Let’s make that a habit, Kevin. Dion- Dion’s line read… Read more »
Definitely agree that this was Love’s best one-on-one defensive effort so far this year. He took the challenge to guard Duncan several times and contested and competed. Team wise, they just kept losing Diaw, though. You’re right that he looks like a genius, but it’s easy to look like a genius when your teammates are always moving without the ball and the defense is lost. But yeah, nice game, Boris.
Nice recap, John. Coaching deficiencies are palpable. And maybe some (a lot) of this is due to the inexperience of these guys playing together. But Cavs were outscored 28-13 in the last two minutes of quarters. The 7-5 in the fourth wasn’t the problem; the 21-8 in the first three quarters was. Cavs saw an 11 point lead evaporate to three at the end of the first half, and were similarly inept at the end of the third. These are the spots where coaching and player awareness matter. Also, let’s talk about inbounds plays and use of timeouts. Blatt didn’t… Read more »
Actually Nate…if you really watch that inbounds play, it worked to.perfection. verajao just didnt throw it ahead of Lebron…he was wide open and would jave had a dunk but had to jump backward to reach the pass. Fwiw.
They have sucked tho on inbounding for the most part.
Agreed. But that’s the problem with that play: it’s so high risk. Situationally, that’s such a tough execution. It’s why you rarely see lob plays in the last two minutes, unless there is an extremely small amount of time on the clock. But, like they say, hindsight is 20/20.
It is high risk. However, 1) at least they ran a play on an out of bounds and 2) Andy can learn from the experience and realize he can pull down the ball. That’s a play where you’d like to have Love receiving the inbound since he can pop a three, putting pressure on the d from where he’s passing. As the Cavs build up a repertoire of plays, sometimes they won’t feel like they HAVE to hit a particular guy and can move to second options. It will take months and months for this to develop.
Yeah, I gotta say I hated that call. Those plays can work against less aware or savvy teams, but not a Pop coached Spurs team. Kawai played it like he was a defensive back who knew the play call.
The fans and media are expecting the Cavs to go to the Finals. No one from the Cavs has said anything about doing that this year. Yeah it does appear they are a ways away after 10 games so probably a very smart move on their part. We’ll see how it looks in February. Not a Windhorst fan but somewhere in his story he interjected this: “Popovich was 5-5 in his first 10 games as an NBA coach and probably made dozens of mistakes. But did he didn’t have to do it with “SportsCenter” going live from the sideline before… Read more »
I don’t want to “hate” on Blatt. But I can’t ignore things he’s doing poorly. Point them out. Hope he gets better, and move on. That’s my MO. I’m certainly not calling for him to get fired. Lord knows, there are a LOT of variables to keep track of when coaching a basketball game, and just like anything else, no one gets better without experience.
I will also say, more generally, the Cavs struggles start with LBJ, his energy, his lack of ball movement, and his many many turnovers. Obviously, LBJ at 70% peak capacity is still one of the best, but given his incessant blustering to the media about leadership, and repeated RGIII-like calling out of teammates, he really needs to take care of stuff under his control first. Or else he risks losing the team. JVG alluded to this issue at one point, discussing how if you are going to call out your teammates publicly (as LBJ did again before yesterday’s game), you… Read more »
Agree with everything you’ve said in this thread for the most part. Especially the Kyrie and Lebron points. Kyrie, along with Varejao, look like they’re trying the best. Lebron, for all his bluster, is the one who I see leaving his man often on defense, standing around at times, and dribbling and dribbling and dribbling on. He’s the best player in the game but at some point you’ve got to shut up and start playing like it. To me he’s starting to sound like that person we all know at work or school who’s done it all and wants you… Read more »
I’ll say it – the ball moves less when LeBron is on the floor right now. Not sure whose fault it is, but that was obvious last night. I thought the ball moved the most last night during the period when Kyrie, Dion, and Smokin’ Joe Harris were playing at the end of 1st beginning of 2nd. I will also say that I think Kyrie is playing harder than LBJ, and has been all year. I actually don’t understand your criticism of Kyrie at all. JVG was lovin’ Kyrie for all of the small things he did last night. It… Read more »
Agree with all of this. When LeBron is dribbling, at least three Cavs players stand around waiting for him to do something awesome. Varejao is the obvious exception. TT also tries to move around. Kyrie tries to set screens, but he’s not good at it. The potency of the Spurs offense comes from having multiple actions executing on plays. The Cavs need to work that in. And, I like Joe Harris so far. On offense, though, mostly he just runs up the court and stands on the wing. Sometimes that’ll earn him an open three. It’s really easy for the… Read more »
You guys need to set foot on a BB court sometime. You will discover that some days everything works, some days hardly anything works.
Raoul – You make a lot of condescending comments that imply you were (or are) a great basketball player. Just curious what your experience is. It would help me understand your tone better at times.
One danger in making a quick response, it that is easy say something surly, so sorry about that. Also, you have caught me trying to play the “I am an expert” card with someone I disagree with, which is pretty lame. I was responding to “But they won’t execute it now?”. Here is a better try: I disagree. Compare this to the NFL; some days Tom Brady looks like the best QB ever. Once in a while he looks like a bum. You think he is not trying on those days? Sometimes the other team has a good day and… Read more »
I have no problem with you disagreement. I am just glad to know that you disagree with my question. Since i am not the best communicator ,and it grows worse over the internet, it at least clears things up. Your post came almost an hour after mine I didnt really connect that yours was as related as you intended. The comparison you make leaves me curious. Are you telling us you dont think that Love would not at least consider a new team? There was a huge discussion over the summer and I bet you and others voiced many ideas… Read more »
I was thinking similar thoughts to those before me. Honestly I’m bothered how the players were saying how the offense was borderline genius. But they won’t execute it now? Love, while admittedly temperamental might be a harder one to keep than LBJ because of geography and his role in the offense that it will become rather than the one that was meant to be.
Last point is painful to type. The Stars will see their minutes decrease only when they play team defense.
Sloppy game and a miss opportunity at the end. If we had George Karl as a coach, would we be talking about lousy losses and lack of ball movement on the court? Off corse not, Cleveland always have a away f…ing the things up, we have the best player in the game and the best PF of the game and great supporting cast and yet we can not execute a simple ball movement. Taking time to get it right is not gonna keep KLove in Cavs uni next year and an older LeBron can’t win games all by himself for… Read more »
Actually, John, I think you’re giving the Spurs a little too much respect. Hard to say that…hard to read that, I guess…but they really were not that good tonight, and the Cavs were not that bad. Had Lebron not fumbled that ball, I think we get the game. He was not going to be stopped going to the rim. My wife shed a tear when he walked off with his finger up somewhat annoyed with himself. He honestly looks like he took the whole summer off…his hands lose the ball way too frequently, like he hasn’t actually dribbled the ball… Read more »