Kobe/LeBron Day: Director’s Cut
2009-05-15Â
Thing Number One:
I’m up on SLAM today with a column I’m pretty proud of about, of all people, Kobe Bean Bryant. It drives home one of my main themes about Kobe and sports in general, and does it with a fair bit of panache and the benefit of good timing. I suggest you look it up. As fate would have it, probably two of the best columns I’ve written for SLAM have been about Kobe. Oh, twisted fate.
Thing Number 2:
Lest you doubt my allegiance, TrueHoop has excerpts from our giant Kobe/LeBron debate today, and while I like the stuff of mine that made the final cut (there were a LOT of words in that email chain), I sent a giant manifesto, and will publish the director’s cut of that manifesto here, now. The Caveat: playing into what the first piece said, this isn’t my favorite time to be talking about this stuff: what happens over the next few weeks with these two guys is going to be as important in determining how we judge these guys than anything that’s happened in years prior. That said, my thoughts on the two at this current time (I replied to “Josh” who is Josh Tucker of Respect Kobe/Silver Screen and Roll in the manifesto-if context is needed for these things, let me know in the comments. Also, sorry the formatting sucks-when I write posts in Gmail and try to post them, the spacing gets destroyed and this is the best I can fix it.):
He broke out when he upped his averages by 7 points and 2 rebounds and assists in his sophomore year while raising his FG% by 5 and his 3PT% by 6, and SI proclaimed him the best 19-year old ever.
Then he beat the Pistons with one of the great performances in playoff teams and took a rag-tag team to the NBA finals.
Then he upped his regular season averages across the board again, posted his career-high (to that point) PER, and took the eventual champions to the final minutes of a game 7.
But it turns out, from what we’re hearing, that LeBron really broke out and found a sense of purpose when he improved his free throw shooting and defense and got a supporting crew capable of running an actual offense and spreading the floor. Just because LeBron got better doesn’t mean he wasn’t already amazing or even the best player in basketball before, and we shouldn’t discount previous achievements to try and build up what the guy is doing now.
Look, this goes for Kobe just as much as it goes for LeBron-barring a championship, which is eminently possible for Kobe, the achievement of his people are going to remember his his 35 PPG/ 81 point-game season, but last season everyone was talking themselves into the greatness of the “New Kobe,” saying he’d matured in some way to deserve the MVP other than he got competent teammates and voters. (By the way: LeBron deserved the MVP that year, which nobody remembers; he averaged 4 less points but two more assists, had better percentages, and won more games with more or less equally incompetent teammates. And he did actually finish 2nd in the voting. It drives me crazy that nobody remembers this.)Â
And Josh just made the point that the “offensive arsenal” that Kobe acquired later on in his career makes him the best player because it allows him to be effective against elite playoff defenses-last I checked, he won three rings pre-arsenal and has two first-round exits and two finals losses post-arsenal. The arsenal didn’t make him worthy of playoff success. He was great before he developed it to the extent it is now. He got better. It wasn’t a magical moment of clarity.Â
2. If you’re going to try and compare these guys with any sort of advanced statistical analysis, LeBron’s just going to blow Kobe away. That’s a given, and I think everyone acknowledges it-Kobe’s PER this year, when he finished 2nd in the MVP race and was probably two wins away from making a real run at the award, was slightly lower than LeBron’s in 2006-07, his worst regular season other than his rookie year. It’s not just PER either, win shares, +/- rating, you name it-for years, pretty much any way people have come up with to use numbers to distill a basketball player’s value, LeBron James has been at or right at the top. That’s not ESPN hype-that’s numbers who don’t care that this is maybe the most branded athlete in America and the most-hyped player of all time. It’s really not even worth going into.Â
“You can have LeBron James all through the game, but when the game is on the line/you have time to run one play/the pressure is on, I want Kobe and his assassin’s mentality/killer instinct”
But the last of those championships came seven years ago. Since then, he’s lost two NBA finals while playing for the prohibitive favorite both times. Since Shaq left, he’s been bounced in the first round twice, infamously going passive for the entire second half of a game seven and going 13-33 from the field in the elimination game the next year. Last year, Kobe went back to the finals (and got further in the playoffs than LeBron for the first time LeBron’s rookie year), where “the ultimate closer” allowed the greatest NBA finals comeback of all time on his home floor while he went 6-19 from the floor.Â
Look, I’m not saying these things to bag on Kobe’s crunch-time prowess, or lack thereof. But we have this Calvinistic ideal of who is and isn’t clutch, that when you prove your mettle in a big situation, as Kobe did in those championship runs, you have revealed a moral fiber and character that will always rear its head in pressure situations and allow the chosen players to rise while the weak stumble. Again, this is Jordan looming over everything: he won those six championships (essentially) in a row, so we never saw him lose another game for the ultimate stakes. And when we tried to anoit Kobe as another Jordan, we assumed he’d do the same thing. It’s just not true. He has lost big games. Some were even his fault. These things happen to everyone. Paul Pierce, the clutch hero of the playoffs last year, shanked what could have been game-winning free throws in the first round this year. Dywane Wade had the greatest NBA Finals performance, making impossible clutch plays one after another, and hasn’t won a playoff series since. Wilt would’ve beat Bill Russell in a finals if Frank Selvy made a wide-open 15-foot shot, his specialty. The best playoff closer of all time blew a World Series Game 7 and a 3-0 series lead in the ALCS. Does that mean we were wrong about Mariano Rivera’s moral character all along? No. It just means the ball didn’t cut as much as he wanted it to.Â
Oh, and it’s almost incidental, but the Cavs and LeBron were absolutely phenomenal in close-games this season, only losing two games by three points or less when LeBron played (both on controversial referee calls) and were one of the best “crunch-time” teams in history over the regular season last year. And they do actually track how well players perform in “clutch” situations, as well as the guys taking the last shot of a game . LeBron’s better at both.Â
Passengers: The ship we were on sank. Thank God you came.
Kobe Fan: What was the ship called?
Passengers: The Titanic.
Kobe Fan: That’s impossible. That ship’s unsinkable.
Furthermore, pretending that LeBron predicating his game on driving to the basket while Kobe prefers to go with mid-range shots as some sort of stylistic difference is just wrong. Going to the basket is, universally, the way to get efficient baskets, followed by shooting threes. Midrange jumpers are the easiest shots to get, but the trade-off is that they’re a victory for the defense over time-not one player in the league shot better than 50% on midrange jumpers this season. Kobe’s percentage on mid-range jumpers was 44% this season, one of the better marks in the league. Keep in mind that mid-range shots rarely produce free throws or offensive rebounds. The worst offensive team in the league, the Clippers, had a TS% of 52%. So if your offense were to be entirely Kobe Bryant shooting mid-range jump shots, you would have the worst offense in the league by a very wide margin.Â
The mid-range game is definitely the weakest part of LeBron’s game, something he should definitely work on (especially his footwork in the post), and a great plan B late in the clock if you can’t get the corner for a drive or open three. But to say that LeBron’s lack of development and devotion to the least efficient shots in basketball are what keeps him from being as good as Kobe is just fallacious. Not only are mid-range shots inefficient in the long run, but they keep the team from getting involved; instead of getting into the paint, scattering the defense, and opening up teammates, the possession ends with little ball movement and few other players getting involved. On a micro, individual level, a perfectly executed midrange move is pretty and a solid way for one player to score against a defense, but over time the only way to consistently attain offensive success is to get to the basket, which LeBron James does better than any player in the league, not only getting dunks and layups but involving his teammates and opening up the floor.Â
Kobe likes to say his floor game is him “playing chess” while everyone else plays checkers; in reality, Kobe’s the guy over at the craps table winning huge every couple of rolls, making people gasp, and telling everyone who will listen about his amazing system while he’s ultimately coming out close to even. Meanwhile, LeBron and his teammates are around the casino at the blackjack tables, counting cards, keeping their heads down, and calling in the big players to make the huge money. (Shoutout to the SGSD’s Kevin Lewis/Jeff Ma!)
LeBron’s opponent PER was a freakish 10.4-Kobe, whose main advantage is supposedly that he’s a “lock-down” defender while James isn’t, had an opponent PER of 14.2, and the Lakers were actually 1.4 points worse per 100 possessions defensively with him on the floor. I don’t know where the “LeBron can’t lock down his man” crap  that Kobe fans spew comes from-there is absolutely nothing in any possible conceivable metric to suggest that LeBron is anything but an amazing man defender to go with his obvious talent on the weak-side, and I can tell you as someone who watched 82 Cavs games this year (it’s my job), and more than my share of Laker games (I live in LA), anyone who says I don’t watch the games enough to understand this is just wrong. And in the playoffs, LeBron has traditionally stepped up his defense as the games have gotten tighter (although he hasn’t needed to so far in this playoffs), and the Cavs have always been one of the tightest defensive teams in the playoffs largely because of this-look at Paul Pierce’s numbers in the Celtics-Cavs series last year.Â
Well, anyone got a problem with any of that?
The Cavs are about to get knocked out on Saturday, so none of this LeBron jockriding will matter! Lakers stand up!
Brown can’t coach his way out of a paper bag,Z plays like a 95 year old woman(and no defense to boot) & Wally has got to go!!!
Fabulous. You nailed it perfectly.
Lakers fan here, but I agree with you. Kobe’s greatest flaw is that he chooses not to play the efficient, smart, team game so often. If he did, he’d be more of a winner. He has no Magic Johnson is his game, to his great detriment, while LeBron has it in spades. I was actually encouraged by yesterday’s game 7 in which Kobe scored so little, but did a lot else to help the team win. It was a rare time where he played within the team, didn’t keep hoisting jumpers when his shot was off, and the Lakers cruised.… Read more »
Getting here a little late. But as to the article…
Amen.
Viva La Cavs!!!
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[…] Good thoughts on the whole Kobe-LeBron debate that everyone seems to be talking about: “If you’re going to try and compare these guys with any sort of advanced statistical analysis, LeBron’s just going to blow Kobe away. That’s a given, and I think everyone acknowledges it-Kobe’s PER this year, when he finished 2nd in the MVP race and was probably two wins away from making a real run at the award, was slightly lower than LeBron’s in 2006-07, his worst regular season other than his rookie year. It’s not just PER either, win shares, +/- rating, you name it-for… Read more »
Krolik— you are lost in stats. For a ballplayer, perfecting a midrange game and adding it to your arsenal of offensive weapons allows you to keep the defense on their heels and gives you more options as the game progresses. No defender likes to get scored on and, especially as their intensity rises throughout the game, they react to offensive tendencies that you have shown them. Proper use of a midrange game enhances the effectiveness of drives to the hoop, of the separation to shoot threes and of the spacing between players on the floor that allows you to pull… Read more »
Excellent read…
I really enjoyed the “mythbusting” on the mid-range jumper. Assuming Lebron eventually develops a significantly above average or better mid-range j wouldn’t we still want him to rely on it only as a last resort?
Is it Wednesday yet?!?
The Titanic sank in the 1900’s, and there wasn’t any flaming wreckage.
re: the media reacting late.
look, i’m probably the oldest guy here so i remember when the media did the same thing with a guy named…jordan! no, it’s true. i remember reading article after article how jordan would NEVER be as good as bird and/or magic. he was damned with faint praise like LBJ as a great “athlete.” the implication, of course, being that he wasn’t as skilled at all aspects of the game like bird & magic. it wasn’t until he won that that *finally* changed. we should expect the same thing vis-a-vis the LBJ vs. kobe “debate.”
Snoopy, I agree and disagree with you. I agree that the media is very slow to react, because it seems the bulk of their observations are guided by a player or team’s reputation. Kobe’s infallibility in the clutch, Denver’s lack of defense, and Steve Nash’s MVP candidacy are all examples of reputation preceeding reality.
The part with which I disagree goes to the same point – LeBron’s defense was greatly improved LAST YEAR, but since he already had the reputation of being disinterested on that end of the floor, national outlets were slow to notice.
Also, we all know how slow the media is to react. Kobe coasted on reputation defensively because at one point, he did play some damn great defense for extended periods of time. This is Lebron’s first year locking in defensively. He’ll get his due, don’t worry. The media is a slow-reacting machine. A few games in the playoffs where Lebron locks down an opposing wing scorer is all it’ll take.
Well written. I have to ask, though – isn’t it true that, like all statistics, opponent PER is impossible to isolate as an individual stat from team success? Lebron should definitely have a lower opponent PER than Kobe, because the Cavs are far and away the best defensive team in the league. Opponents (from 1-5) will likely score lower against the Cavs than they will against the Lakers (who average out to be a solid defensive team, not great). So saying Lebron is a better individual defender than Kobe simply because of opponent PER is a bit off. (I’m not… Read more »
Great read, you really nailed some solid points in this piece. Like so many things in sports today, the myths (and perception they engender) are the basis for so many of the arguments being made – I’d glad to see you challenged them. Something I might add: Why is there this myth of Kobe as the ultimate closer and some corresponding deficiency in Lebron’s game? I believe it is the nature of their games. Obviously, as it has already been duly noted, Kobe’s late game strategy revolves around the pullup jumper, while Lebrons still is based upon going to the… Read more »
In reading the ESPN version, I was both amused and annoyed at how LeBron’s transcendent passing ability was just conveniently ignored by the Kobe pundits. His greatest trait isn’t his ability to get to the hole (and that ability is indeed superhuman), but it’s his ablilty to distribute based on unparalleled court vision. I am not a Kobe basher – I actually believe he is the closest thing to Jordan since MJ. However, LeBron is…something else altogether different. This is the best description I’ve seen, courtesy of Bill Simmons: “At age 24, he’s a cross between ABA Dr. J (unstoppable… Read more »
Yeah we need a documentary: John Krolik – doing work
Excellent, excellent, excellent work
How the hell did you get this job?? I’ve been writing the same things for 3 years that you are saying now and you are all over TRUEHOOP! I’m seriously really jealous – are you like Henry’s cousin or something? That being said, I’m only jealous because I agree with you on almost 99.9% of what you say and I’m glad that at least there is a source of meaningful discussion. I read your points today in the Kobe v LeBron debate – right on bro. Only thing I would have done differently is just hammered home the difference between… Read more »
Great Kobe article, enjoyed you defender Lebron against a bunch of people who clearly have not seen enough Cavs games(Henry was good at the end though…). Lebron’s main advantage may be his size/athleticism ect., but without everything else he has, it does him no good(i.e. why doesn’t Odom dominate the league). If his main goal was to lead the league in assist it would happen….
Thank you for your well articulated argument. Being a Cavs fan & living in Los Angeles is frustrating at times, to the point where I’d like to print this & post it around town, but let’s hope the month of June goes a long way toward making this argument moot.
Great articles, great work. Keep it up!
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