The Point Four-ward: A Personal Blatt-ack?
2015-01-14If you haven’t read David Wood’s excellent recap of last night’s loss to the Suns, get on it!
Four points I’m thinking about the NBA and the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) The fallout over David Blatt’s comments after the Cavs loss in Sacramento that Kevin Love is “not a max player yet” should come as a surprise to no one. Blatt has always been known as a fiery guy who, thus far in his career (storied abroad, though it may be) hasn’t had to deal with as many of the finer points of player ego-massaging as he has this season, his first in the NBA. While he has ladled freely from the soup of praise when talking about his players, Love, LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, in particular, there was bound to be a moment when Blatt, understandably frustrated following a 19-point drubbing by a Kings squad where his team played unengaged, uninspired and… well, basically un-anything-good, would release a little steam. Unfortunately, his pressure check was in front of the media and at the apparent expense of the player who, should he leave after just one season in wine and gold, would leave the team with a lot of gold — from the yolk running down their collective face — to show for it.
Do I think Blatt thinks Love is a bad player? Absolutely not. I think Blatt believes his starting power forward is a very talented offensive player — one of the more versatile offensive bigs in the league — but to say that Blatt, in his most private moments, is without criticism of Love is probably unrealistic, as well. Blatt later backpedaled saying that what he meant was that Love has not yet signed a max contract with the Cavs and didn’t want to be accused of tampering by suggesting that those kind of discussions were had with Love.
Now, I don’t believe that’s what he meant, either, especially given the testiness attributed to his “Kev’s not a max player yet, is he?”
I think that Blatt, feeling the sting of still being unable to solve the Rubix Cube of how to get consistent effort from this team, thought that he’d caught the reporter in an error in suggesting that Love is playing on a league maximum level contract. This reporter — who, in Blatt’s mind, when writing about the game would no doubt raise questions about Blatt’s job security… yet again — was technically right, as Love’s deal was the maximum that Minnesota could have signed him to over four years at the time. Just not for five years, like Irving, and not at levels commensurate with today’s cap figure, like Irving and James. But, in Blatt’s eyes, likely, he had the chance to steal back a little of his authority from this person who would be questioning his own.
Unfortunately, for Blatt, he wasn’t technically right in his statement and he had to immediately smooth over whatever damage this may have done to his relationship with Love. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why we are all told to think before we speak and not respond out of anger or frustration. Of course, for most of us, avoiding those situations is a bit easier than it is for the head coach of a floundering, high-profile NBA team.
But you also have to feel bad for Blatt in the way that the comment was run with, sans context.
To Love’s credit, he seems to understand that no offense was intended. Hopefully, this chapter is now closed.
But chapters have an annoying way of popping back open on the Cavaliers these days… Like when Love is planted firmly on the bench during crunch time of a winnable game against the Suns last night.
2.) Following the Cavs loss to the Kings, Fox Sports Ohio’s Sam Amico came out and said what should be alarmingly apparent to Cavs fans. “It just looks like without LeBron James, young stars such as Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love don’t yet know how to win,” Amico wrote in his post-game blog.
Learning to win is the big mystery in the NBA, isn’t it? When does it happen? How exactly? Is it something that is actually learned or are some players more predisposed to it than others?
In Love’s previous six NBA seasons his team went for a combined 153-476, a winning percentage of 32.1%. His teams’ high-water mark was last season’s 40-42 record which, given its tough Western Conference slate, is respectable. Still, as last year’s Wolves carried playoff buzz into the season, 40-42, good for 10th place in an admittedly loaded Conference on a team that experienced fairly good health for the first time in years, suggests that, perhaps, the team’s key players didn’t know how to win.
And we’re all well aware of how Irving’s seasons have gone. His teams carried a 78-230 record, narrowly edging Love’s T-Wolves (if you can believe) by winning 33.9% of their games. And, funny story: last year, the Cavs carried playoff buzz into the season, only to suck the air out of every Cavs fan’s bubble and waddle their way through a season so mind-numbing, it inspired its own hashtag, the #SeasonOfHuh. One of the team’s main problems, not surprisingly, was that its key players didn’t know how to win.
Both Irving and Love had played well on Olympic teams, where they were surrounded by other All-Star caliber players, so it’s not like they are incapable of achieving high-level team success on the basketball floor.
Veterans who know how to win are supposed to help teach players who do not yet know how. The Cavs brought in ring wearers like Shawn Marion, Brendan Haywood, Mike Miller, James Jones… and, of course, LeBron James to help transform the culture of this team into that of a winner.
Something’s still not right, though. It’s as if, even while the Cavs young players still do not know how to win, its veterans may have forgotten too.
3.) It’s telling about this team and this season that when I turned on last night’s Cavs/Suns game late in the first half, with the Suns shooting near 60% from the floor, I made the bargain, “Okay, just get the Suns lead down under 10 and keep them from scoring 60 points and I’ll be happy.”
At the end of the first half, the Cavs were down nine and the Suns had scored 59 points. There’s your moral victory right there, folks.
4.) Hopefully the Cavs will find a way to out-defend Byron Scott’s Lakers on Thursday night, which would be… you know, something. But it’s tough to see a team as out-of-sorts as the Cavs are right now giving the Clippers much of a fight.
The key for the Cavs clawing their way back toward respectability (and over .500 basketball) is the four-game home stand that follows. The Cavs will have tough games against the Bulls and Thunder at The Q and a winnable game against the Hornets, but then spend the rest of the month with the chance to avenge some of the season’s more embarrassing losses: next Wednesday when they host the Jazz, then the following week when they travel to the Pistons and host the Trailblazers and Kings.
The Cavs have officially entered the “pride” section of their schedule. Let’s hope they start showing some…
This team should be talented enough, veteran enough, and mature enough to be playing better if they didn’t have a coach. Blatt may or may not end up being a viable NBA coach – but these guys should be playing better with or without him. That’s why I give him the benefit of the doubt. They’ve been bad individually and collectively. They’re grown men being paid millions of dollar. I don’t think Blatt can be bad enough to turn these guys into what we’ve seen. They’ve done this all on their own. Bloggers blame him for playing starters too many… Read more »
Barkley was just on the Gottlieb show and noted that if player are trying to get Blatt fired, then they are punks. And if Ty Lue is calling time outs behind Blatts back, then he should be fired immediately by the GM.
They should hire Sir Charles as their next coach. That would be fun. Think about all of the awesome sound bites for the media!
Hat would be pretty neat. I love Barkley!
First Time Poster. Long time LURKER…. As I see this years Cavs team, the problem is that the players simply are not suited for either (a) playing together in a competitive league; or (b) David Blatt’s system, which he is not multi-dimensional enough to change. I’d like to think that as NBA players at the height of their respective games LBJ, Kyrie and Love could figure out a way to play together effectively, and at this point I refuse to believe that they can’t. So, that leaves me with option (b) — Blatt. When the Cavs first hired Blatt I… Read more »
You are probably right that Blatt has to go, but it will not help much.
Not so sure who you think is at “height of their respective games”. Did you ever see LeBron before this year? LeBron can still be an excellent player in his later years, but he cannot be a one man show any longer. That takes the energy of a 20 year old superman, not a 30 year old superman.
True. By “height” I guess I meant that they are all within the portion of their careers where they should be extremely effective consistently. Maybe not MOST effective. But consistently VERY VERY good.
Welcome! I think Blatt would be fine given time. Who knows if he gets it. I certainly don’t see any coach stepping in mid-season and totally turning this things around. It’s on the players right now. I think at this point I am the only one who feels this way.
I actually agree wholeheartedly with you.
I actually agree wholeheartedly with you, too…with a caveat. If a coaching change MUST be made (eg: Blatt resigns), I think Lebron is the logical successor at mid season.
I agree that he sHOULD be fine. But if the players don’t respond to him for whatever reason they are not responding to him now, then his success is an impossibility.
I don’t think you’re the only one here who believes that it’s on the players, and that another coach stepping in will turn this team around. That doesn’t stop the fact that Blatt will likely be the scape-goat if they don’t turn things around and will likely be fired by the ASB if they don’t start beating the teams they should beat and competing with the elite. In many ways, this game against the Lakers tonight could be a litmus test for how much time Blatt has left. If Cavs can’t beat a fairly putrid (and I say that from… Read more »
Well, McTen apparently said Blatt has 10 days, so it probably doesn’t matter what we think.
Blatt= Two number one + a first rounder = Love gone at the end of the season. I hate to say I told you so, we could have Wigg + Bennett + a first rounder and George Karl and Mark Price as assistant and a dynasty going for years to come, instead we will lose K Love at the end of the season because Blatt’s lack of NBA experience and an ego size of Everst and a big mouth. We didn’t have to give Kyrie a max deal, we could have him for another year to see if he is… Read more »
Hopefully this is the darkest night just before the storm and we will all laugh at how we panicked too early in January 2015. But right now things seem a lot grimmer than any team with LeBron, K-Love and Kyrie could have ever have imagined as recently as oh, December. http://www.fantasypros.com/nba/compare/ed-davis-tristan-thompson.php I can’t help but note that Ed Davis and TT are very similar players put up almost identical stats, if anything Davis is actually a smidge better per 36. One of these guys makes $2 million a year, one just turned down a 4-year, $52 million dollar deal. Rich… Read more »
To be clear Tony not disagreeing with you in any way, just following up on the topic. It’s potentially a real crapshow.
The Love situation is interesting. Just what do the Cavs do with Love? It seems to me that when it comes time to sign Love – if he even stays, it will probably take 20+ million per year. Anybody excited about a 4 yr 80+ million contract for Love? Seems unfathomable that we gave up Wiggins on a rookie contract, plus Bennett and a first rounder to be in this situation. It would be a MacBeth level tragedy if Love walks at the end of the year, but is keeping him (at a premium cost) any more palatable?
@RealGM: Like Ray Allen not having the corner. RT @BreakTheHuddle: Kevin Love, elbow touches per game:
2013-14: 11.6 (!!!)
2014-15: 3.2 (!!!!!!!!!!)
It’s clear that Kyrie needs to get Love more touches down there. It’s also clear that Love needs to hit more shots. He’s been flat out missing wide open jump shots. But I’m also not positive that the Timberwolves offense should be our yardstick:)
I think if they just beat Kevin with sticks about 30 minutes before game time, he’d be fine. Or maybe tube socks filled with sticks of butter or oranges so they don’t leave marks…
Yeah that’s great – they definitely need to get him the ball on the elbow more (assuming he was devastatingly effective from the elbow last season. was he?)
That said, I’ve seen him get spot 3s from his sweet spot (left wing) and miss horribly. I’ve seen the Cavs force-feed him the ball on the left block in single coverage and he can’t impose his will on the defender. I’ve seen him pass up open 3s.
At some point, you have to take responsibility for your game.
Well, I have come to the depressing conclusion about what is rotten with the Cavs organization. It’s not the coach. It’s not the players, at least on an individual level. It’s not the GM/owner, who have made some deft maneuvers when you look at each isolated incident. It’s certainly not the passionate fans of Cleveland. Here is a team that set out four years ago with the goal to amass as much talent/assets as possible on the roster in hope of luring the King back to Cleveland. Four years later, the franchise attempts to amass even more talent as a… Read more »
I think they will go to the Finals.
This absolute made me laugh out loud. I read cwzagger’s post with no idea who the first commenter was. It was thought out, whimsical, and good. It asked the right questions and made a solid point. It was from the heart.
After reading it, I was like, “Damn, yeah, he’s right.”
Then I read:
“I think they will go to the Finals.”
It went from complete negativity to, this team is championship caliber.
Hilarious. Good job Cols!
i wonder if/when someone posts as a fake cols714 if the admin can tell. the real cols714 could/might have typed this but i just dont know anymore
Brilliant Cols rejoinder aside, nice work cwzagger. You have a knack for well thought out, well constructed posts that relate to Cavs fans and go to the heart of the issues. Are you in politics?
Thanks for the endorsement, EvilGenius. Nope, not in politics, actually am in market research. Just a passionate fan here who loves to write from the soul
Agree . . . also, I think that a problem is LeBron’s inherent inability to just be a basketball player. Does he want to win on the court? Sure. But he wants to be the rainmaker who score jobs for his friends, whether on the court or off. He wants to start his career as Magic Johnson style mogul while he is still playing and wants to help himself to Gilbert’s money to make that happen. He wants to be a media maven and social VIP who’s seen hobnobbing with celebrities at big events like the BCS Championship Game. He… Read more »
Mac, I want to repost this because it got buried in the middle of the night. But I couldn’t stop nodding along: Mac says: January 14, 2015 at 3:28 am Z-Bo has missed more games than Love, Irving or LBJ and the Grizzlies are 26-11. The Rockets are 9-4 in the games that Dwight Howard has missed. The Warriors have a first year coach, their defensive anchor has missed a ton of games and they are 30-5. The Bucks are down two of their three best players in Sanders and Parker, frankly don’t have a lot of talent to begin… Read more »
This is a great argument for firing Blatt. We should be winning more with the talent we have.
http://www.igohardnow.com/2015/01/14/david-blatt-doesnt-need-this-shit/
I enjoyed that side of the story and would actually be entertained to see him to show a little of it. Thanks
AMEN! Where is this version of Blatt hiding?
Maybe Blatt should just cold-cock a ref next game and get suspended. It’s a win-win. Blatt gets some respect and the team gets to see how things run with Lue at the helm. See… problem solved.
Man I loved that piece so much
OMG!!! YES, YES, YES!!!! I love this. Thank you. This needs to be everywhere.
Blatt has taken too much advice from people about how to coach in the NBA. He needs to do what he does. He needs to do what he got him here.
Thanks Tom! Very flattered.
I think the only argument against this is that those teams have already played together for the most part for at least a season and are likely not also dealing with a new coach who doesn’t know the ins and outs of being an NBA coach (and by the way, I think he’s used to having players listen to him). I think this is the argument for needing more time, for the players to get used to playing together and for the players to learn to trust their coach.
at times windy has reminded me of the jilted lover. clearly upset LBJ chose Lee jenkins to deliver the return message. secondly, he used to have open access and now he goes behind the scenes for 2nd and 3rd person info. and lastly, it is a narrative from the first time in cleveland to him leaving miami.
i think windy tries to be an investigative reporter and espn wants page views and 24 hours on access. my only comparison is this cavs team is the us weekly of sports.
I agree with this. Windy seems like even more of a scorned ex than the Heat or Heat fans.
New Windhorst article is brutal. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12165081/nba-reeling-cleveland-cavaliers-way-course
In some ways it’s brutally unfair, and in some ways it paints an ugly picture of LeBron and Co.
Most of the brutally unfair parts come from unnamed “sources” who are most likely people who want to see the Cavs fail. I’m not sure I remember Lue calling a timeout behind Blatt’s back though. Windy must be like a pig in excrement for all of the drama he gets to feast on daily. Cavs have only themselves to blame though for the way they comport themselves. The media is always going to put a microscope on any problems that befall this team. Best to hope that it helps create a chip on their shoulder and forces them to pull… Read more »
I thought Dan Devine on Ball Don’t Lie did a much better job analyzing the Cavs’ issues. This line in particular struck me: “There’s plenty of time for Cleveland to get its house in order, yes, but a house divided against itself cannot stand.” This quite nicely captures what has been bothering me when people say “relax, it’s a process, we just need time to get things together.” Devine is right. Time doesn’t matter when it is not being used to get things in order. In fact it is counterfactual as a reason for optimism given that halfway into the… Read more »
I want to see how this team plays over the next 5 games. If we aren’t doing anything on offense or defense and there are no improvements, I’ll jump on the panic bandwagon.
It’s time for LeBron to get on the same page as Blatt. These guys need to TELL Kyrie and Kevin how to play defense. The offense will come. The defense, well it needs everyone to get 100% and be on the same page.
Next five games: @Lakers (you would think would be a win, but Kobe might play so no given) @Clippers (back-to-back against a tough team that plays well inside and out) Bulls@ home (Gasol and Butler will be tough to stop) Utah@ home (Should be a win, but they couldn’t stop Favors/Kanter/Hayward last time despite 31 from LBJ and 34 from Kyrie) Charlotte@ home (Again, should be a win, but Hornets will be looking for revenge) Cap it off with OKC and Saint Weirdo coming back to town. I agree, you’ll definitely know where they stand by then. And I’m sorry,… Read more »
You’re forgetting Rudy Gobert, the human block party.
i imagine him with 6+ blocks (maybe all on love and tt). i listened to cavs radio for the first jazz game and chones said if he was in the league today he would have 10 dunks on gobert because of rudy’s gumby defense technique. i thought it was comedic but i doubt he instructed love and tt on how he would do it.
Just wait… I’mma drop 50 on these suckas…
On like 70 shots? Nice troll though…
I’m not at their practices or in their huddles, but I’m pretty certain that Love and Kyrie have been TOLD how to play defense. I’m sure everyone has been TOLD what the offense should look like. It ain’t a video game. You have to create the muscle memory so that you automatically make cuts without thinking about them. So that you look for the right passing lanes at the right times, and know where people are supposed to be before they get there. Learning an offense is difficult. It ain’t as easy as talking about it in the huddle and… Read more »
LeBron James, coach killer. http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/01/14/lebron-v-blatt-video-evidence-of-their-disengagement/
Wow. They REALLY need to keep that Rolando Pharr guy away from LBJ and his family. Creepy…
I’ve actually been to a handful of Cavs games this year and have seen LeBrons bad body language toward the coach. I’ve seen Blatt try to talk to him a few times and LeBron just cruises passed him, ignoring whatever he’s telling him. I feel bad for Blatt also. He never had a chance and LeBron will never give him a chance. Trading Wiggins and firing Blatt could come down as two of the worst moves for this franchise.
Maybe the worst moves of the modern era, but nothing will EVER beat the Ted Stepien Era. You know it’s bad when they make a prohibitive rule named after you…
“Ted Stepien, who owned the Cavaliers from 1980 to 1983, was one of the worst owners professional sports in America has ever known. He was so bad that, in 1982, the NBA legislated rules to protect Stepien from himself. The Stepien Rule – still in effect today – prevents a team from trading its first round pick in consecutive seasons…something Ted did a lot of.”
Pretty convincing. For a month or so I have been coming to the sad realization that Cavs might be better if LBJ had NOT returned. Irrespective of who the players would be, there is a much better chance they would be listening to the coach. When the (maybe still) best player on the planet ignores the coach, you cannot expect much from the younger guys. Furthermore, the Wiggins/Love disaster probably would not have happened. Here is how things might have shaken out with out LBJ returning: Use half of the LBJ money for a decent FA, say Loul Deng. Don’t… Read more »
How come when I say these things I get killed?
Cause you said them before LBJ came back and made no difference ;)
Also, give it time…
Give them some time. Cols might be in shock, or is replying with a long essay. I am going to ask him how the Cavs were so bad while LBJ was in highschool without Delly? Maybe a team that wants to tank will give us a top pick for Delly?
For the sake of argument:
Cavs did not want Deng back.
Matrix was not coming without LBJ being here.
Doubtful that Griff makes move for Moz if Zeller still here.
Doubtful that Griff makes move for JR if not for current predicament.
Lineup would be more like KI, AW, FA (like Hayward, Parsons or maybe Gasol but doubt it), TT and TZ in place of Andy.
Bench would be Delly, Dion, Whoever they traded GumDropBear for, JJ and Karasev (cause he’s one of Blatt’s boys)
I was not trying to make a solid argument, just point out the possibility. I was certainly among the overjoyed when LBJ came back, conveniently forgetting all of his issues. Never thought I would see the day where I was not so sure.
I know, I was just helping you troubleshoot your possibility. One thing for sure, they’d still have room to add another MAX big man if they could grab one.
Or add LBJ NEXT year after they had a year to learn Blatt’s systems and buy in.
If lebron wasn’t here?!?!?! Did you watch this team the last four years? We’d be back in the lottery with a hugh pick after winning 30-35 games.
I don’t know Cols… Okafor would look pretty good in a Cavs uni…
This team is on pace to win roughly 41 games with Lebron.
On espn’s site, Tim Legler breaks down the late play execution in the Suns loss. He rightfully points out how LeBron walks up the ball, and also holds the ball for seven seconds on a crucial possession down two. He basically played with a 10 sec shot clock by choice. It’s idiotic and is exactly what I mean when I question LeBron’s basketball IQ. Unfortunately, Legler still acts as though Blatt and the coaching staff are actively asking LeBron to do that. When are people going to put the burden on LeBron? He doesn’t need ridiculous flack about being clutch,… Read more »
Considering that Lebron was awesome in Miami’s pace and space scheme of passing and movement, I think it’s definitely on our coaches. If Lebron thought players would be moving correctly I’m sure he’d gladly go back to that system.
We really needed to hire Spo.
Is this real Cols or parody Cols? It’s hard to tell.
So, you’re saying that LeBron would be doing what the coach says if he thought the coach were coaching correctly… Do you realize how nuts that sounds? That’s the very definition of “uncoachable.”
I don’t think Lebron trusts Blatt to get Irving and Love to run an offense correctly. That’s on Blatt, not Lebron. We know Lebron is not uncoachable because he got coached in Miami to the point where they were running the leagues most pass heavy motion based offense ever seen and everybody has copied it.
Blatt doesn’t seem like he’s up to the task.
So the solution is to just not try and to sabotage your coach. Got it.
I don’t think that’s what’s going on. I think they don’t like or trust Blatt. They don’t believe that he has the right ideas for the team so they are doing what they think is right.
They need to get a coach who NBA players will respect. This isn’t high school basketball where the coach automatically gets respect. This is a whole different thing.
If they’re doing what “they think is right,” then that’s the entire problem! As Ben pointed out above, what they’re doing is just terrible, stupid basketball. Hubris is the worst.
The buck in these scenarios stops with Gilbert.
If your homee superstar is undermining the coach, in the NBA, usually, the coach goes. Meanwhile, in the real world outside of the nursery school of the NBA, the superstar gets fired. Oh well.
KLove won’t have anything to do in a heroball show.
The Cavs, recently, have been cantering into their offensive sets. I thought they were built to fly.
Dr Puck
The idea that the Cavs should fire Lebron is a ridiculous idea.
Yeah! They’d have to tear down a whole nother mural!
Cols714, I did not suggest that LeBron be fired. If he were just working in sales somewhere and was paying no heed to his boss–in that DIFFERENT environment–if he didn’t correct his course, he could well be fired. In the NBA, where the star players have all the organizational leverage, and, for which their value as assets trumps by far their value as performers, there is no real time accountability. In the real business world, for the most part, somebody’s value is highly correlated with their performance. Because of this failures or deficits in performance are notable, and employees usually… Read more »
It’s an untenable situation. If I were Blatt, I’d have resigned if it weren’t for the money. But there’s about 8 million things I’d have done differently from the start, including not kissing LeBron’s bum on a nightly basis. The best solution would be for the team to ask him to resign and assure his agent that they’ll secretly still pay him. That way Blatt gets to save face and still get his money and the Org. doesn’t look like it caved to their team’s coach killing attitude. I want Blatt gone for Blatt’s sake as much as anyone’s. He… Read more »
It’s really funny that you go to great lengths to defense someone who has absolutely no track record of NBA success while dismissing a guy who has won multiple titles, gone to many Finals, and won gold medals.
Betting on Blatt over Lebron seems very dumb.
In what way did I bet on Blatt in the previous paragraph? It’s not working. Who’s “at fault” is irrelevant. I’m simply trying to point out optimal solutions to move forward. Though I do think LeBron, KLove, and Kyrie played like A-Holes last night. I also put much of this on Blatt for not standing up for himself and for not addressing these problems early in the year.
OK. I don’t really care if Blatt saves face or not. He’s not done a good job here. That’s all. I’d rather keep Lebron,, Love, and Irving and get a new coach that they will actually respect than keep Blatt and try to find some players.
We’ve seen this team without Lebron. It’s not pretty.
Lebron is a great basketball player–as far as his skills set goes. Apparently he’s a terrific father and husband too.
He hasn’t rallied his team around the new coach. Why? Why not?
Character, as in: immature, spoiled, narcissistic.
So say the Cavs fire Blatt and get another coach, how do we know they’ll respect the new guy? The Cavs recent track record would suggest they probably won’t. Or say they hire a new coach who everyone likes but the team itself takes a step further back? Or is the coach who is hired midseason going to have the team in Finals form within a couple months of installing his brand new system? I hear those things take time. This isn’t about respect. The players aren’t even giving Blatt a chance. Why not even attempt to test out your… Read more »
Maybe LBJ can go old school and become a player-coach. LOL
If Blatt does go, I’d like to see Lebron as his replacement. Terrific suggestion.
The problem with not having McLoven on the court in the fourth quarter last night is that the Cavs still didn’t stop the Suns, and specifically Mercury Morris with either James Freaking Jones or LBJ when he finally decided to cover him. I’m going to say that I’d prefer McLoven’s chances of making a three late in the game over James Freaking Jones who bricked a trifecta of wide open treys. Also, aside from TT, the Cavs had ZERO rebounding presence on the floor which really killed them in the final few ISO possessions of the fourth. McLoven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James… Read more »
Yep. We need Love out there.
Cavs were -20 when Love played on Tuesday. They were +6 when Jones played. Not playing K-Love in the fourth quarter was an entirely defensible move. Having James Jones guard Morris was not. LBJ should have guarded him the entire fourth.
Plus/minus is not always the best indicator of performance. Yes, the Cavs made their big run while Jones was on the floor, but if you watched the game, you could see that he missed three WIDE OPEN jumpers. Cavs also missed some key rebounds in the last 4 minutes that could have saved or extended possessions for them or stopped the Suns with one shot on a possession. My argument was based on the fact that they needed someone to hit threes and rebound, and James Jones did NONE of that for them in the fourth. KLove, even though he… Read more »
No matter whomever is, or will be coach, the Cavs still have to play vigorous defense, put some real snap into their half court plays, and, when they get the chance, “break fast” without frakkin’ turning the ball over. KLove wasn’t hired to be a stopper. He’s the guy you get the ball to when your other high volume shooters draw too much attention. We’ve seen this team play well; we can close our eyes and visualize how it is supposed to work. They were built to present too many challenges for the other team’s defense. Right now I’d be… Read more »
Good thing there is still plenty of NBA to go. If the playoffs started today, even I would be worried.
Another Woj bomb @WojYahooNBA: Column: For LeBron James, it is time to be the leader he promised the Cleveland Cavaliers. http://t.co/N6OnIMBleb
Although I’m not sure it’s really anything we haven’t already heard. Sounds like Mark Jackson is LeBrons guy, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the coach next month.
Well if hiring Jackson isn’t the most literal Come to Jesus moment a team can have, I don’t know what is.
And the other notable from that article was the TT turned down a 4-year, $52 million extension this summer. Steep price for the LeFriends!
We wanted clutch city, we got Klutch City.
The Hawks just beat the Sixers with Millsap, Teague, and Carroll resting.
what were the chances that the hawks (and their front office problems over the summer) would be in the place the media positioned the cavs. and vise versa. i admire their work and seriously hope that the next owner there continues the rebuild. they are an excellent example of how nba fortunes can change over a summer.
If Windhorst’s latest article is true this team is seriously broken. We can relax if we want but the only process we will be watching is a palace coup unfold.
Dude, you’re getting a t-shirt. But since you just mentioned the “R” word without preaching it, I won’t send you the picture ;)
I am claiming the standard fair use exception for “relax” and “process” for parody and criticism purposes.
Fair enough. I recognize the exception
I thought we all pinkie sweared that we weren’t taking Windhorst seriously. He kinda like “The Onion” of beat reporters.
And calling him The Onion works in a variety of ways… Brilliant metaphor Udog!
He’s more of a donut enthusiast.
Windhorst thrives on the soap opera drama. Really the whole media does. It’s not helping. I understand why LeBron says relax… I mean – the season doesn’t really start until the playoffs… we got a few months to pull it together.
T-shirt for you my man.
Sure they could turn it around. Just that it is unlikely to happen this season. BTW firing a coach mid-way through the season typically signals the end of that season (someone please look up the stats on those teams winning a championship). An unfair championship goal was put on the Cavs this year. Yes, I want one too but it’s still unfair. Lebron never said the Cavs were going to win this year, in fact he said it would take time. The fact that Lebron sat out a week when he claimed he could have played tells you something as… Read more »
+1 DaveR – Kevin McHale said that things don’t matter until March or April.
Agreed. I mean, in reality, the Cavs have 30 games to turn this around. Maybe even 40. They could get a 4th or 5th or 6th seed going into the playoffs – and what difference does it make? Home court for 1 round? If the team is going to win the Championship, they need to be able to pick up a game on the road… The 82 game season is the preseason. I’m OK with Blatt messing with the rotation; sitting players when they don’t play well, sitting players for rest. Its troubling when they don’t play well and it… Read more »
When I read the headline, I was expecting it to be about LBJ’s assault and Blatt-ery last night with the shove (something else that was mis-construed and explained away by Blatt after the fact).
If it’s true that the young guys don’t know how to win, then they’re probably not going to turn that around with a coach that they don’t seem to listen to since they follow their ISO leader who also doesn’t seem to.
#SeasonOfUgh
P.S. Robert, please post a C:tFL update to take my mind off of this team for a little while…
It seems so long ago when we beat the top teams in the East. I felt like last night was at least the first time I saw a little fight in more than one player. Not being overly positive just that I thought last night was the right direction unlike last ? games. The fact we did beat some top teams when we were clicking helps to keep me positive. Positive is just a relative term about how I feel about the long term not the short term. Continuity and consistency is what this teams needs and with the new… Read more »
If we lose to the Lakers I think Blatt is gone. If the players aren’t listening to him he needs to go. It’s not like he has a track record of NBA success or has proven to be a tactical genius.
Blatt seems like he could be a good coach but that this situation is not right for him.
Then after the team plays the same way under Lue, do we fire him and hire Drew, and on down the line all the way to AC?
Nah. Then you go find an experienced coach who doesn’t suck.
It won’t work that way, Cols. If the Cavs fire Blatt at this point, a clear message will have been sent to Lebron- “you don’t have to play hard for any coach if you don’t want to. You just do what you want, and we’ll keep replacing them until you’re happy.” Haven’t we already been down that road with the roster? We signed the buddies Lebron wanted (Miller and Jones), and traded for the player he wanted (KLove). How has that worked out? The only time in Lebron’s life he was ever a winner was when someone (Pat Riley) stood… Read more »
If the Cavs players aren’t listening to Blatt you fire him. It’s pretty simple. You don’t back a coach without an NBA track record and no history of being a great NBA coach if your players don’t respect and trust him. Otherwise all you are going to do is alienate Lebron, Irving, and Love who are way more important to this franchise than David Blatt. This idea that tough love is the only way to go seems like it is out of the 1970s. It would be one thing if Blatt was a known commodity. But he isn’t. He was… Read more »
I WISH we had Tough Love. But we only have Soft Love.
Riley’s tough guy stance was empty, IMO. He had two things: LBJ was under contract for several more years, and DWade there to supplement Lebrons mediocre leadership skills, a guy who could keep him from pouting on-court. If Riley were the Cavs team prez right now, “standing up” to James would blow up right in his face.
It’s not the coach. It’s never been the coach. The players play the game. Not the coach. Over the past several seasons we keep ditching coach after coach after coach. IT’S NOT THE COACH! It’s players keeping focus and keeping up intensity. It’s players not turning the ball over and making stupid decisions. It’s players not dribbling the ball of their knees; falling down with the ball in their hands; fumbling passes away; stepping out of bounds; losing track of their guys on D; and standing around for 20 seconds and then throwing up a contested 3. I know that… Read more »
Last year it was definitely the coach and lack of talent. The year before that it was the coach and lack of talent. The year before that it was the coach and lack of talent. The year before that it was the coach and lack of talent. The year before that it was mostly the coach, but we could’ve used a more talented team around Lebron. This year we have the talent, but our coach doesn’t seem to have any unique ideas on how to use it. A team with Lebron, Love, and Irving should be winning more the 50%… Read more »
Ever think the problem is that you’ve just overrated Love and Irving, and underrated how difficult all three are to coach?
i have felt the same but refrained from typing that because people might think i am trolling the board.
-Last year there wasn’t a lack of talent, we should have made the playoffs in the pathetic East. -The three years before that it was likely a combo of both, but it’s hard to condemn Scott based on what he had to work with. -The two years before that were excellent coaching jobs. Those teams had LeBron and change cranking out 60+ win seasons and going deep into the playoffs. If you’re going to blame a floundering team with LBJ, Kyrie and Love on the coach, then you need to give credit to the coach who took a less talented… Read more »
agree with this. a friend of mine at work love to pontificate about all things cleveland. his quote “blatt will be the next bill belichick”. i doubt it put it makes an interesting story line if the coach gets fired.
I don’t think he’ll ever be as mono-syllabic as Belichick ;)
Everyone needs to step back and take a breath! LeBron himself said that this would be very tough to do. The Cavs have been playing pick-up basketball for the last 4-5 years. Blatt is trying to create an offense and just as important, he is trying to improve the team’s defense. Everyone who is a Cleveland fan is hungry for a winner, and so far, this team has won more than it has in several years. Once the new guys gel with the team, and guys like Kyrie start to play more defense, there should be some serious improvement. Until… Read more »
You got dangerously close to getting a t-shirt with that first line, Frank. And then you decided to go for broke later on with the “R” word. You get a t-shirt and a photo ;)
#RetireEveryLameAsseXcuse!
totally off topic, but i would have enjoyed watching the orgeon v. osu game with our evilgenius and frank. the other posters too, but lets be honest sitting next to these guys would have been better than herbstreit and fowler. provided both are football fans. carry on with the thread…
I was way too geeked up to blog during the OSU/ORE game. Plus I had on my Brutus The Buckeye head and wouldn’t have been able to see the keyboard.