The Point Four-ward: Backcourt Bliss
2015-01-21First off, if you haven’t listened to Nate, Tom and Ben’s mid-season Cavs: The Podcast, what are you waiting for??
Four points I’m thinking about the NBA and the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) Kyrie Irving is really winning me back over this season.
While everyone (CtB included) was quick to heap praise on the performance of newly-acquired center Timofey Mosgov in the Cavs 108-94 victory over the Chicago Bulls, Monday night, for me, was all about Irving.
It wasn’t his greatest shooting performance (7-16 for 18 points and only got to the free throw line four times) but watching Irving play surrounded by talent is to remember just the type of amazing plays he’s capable of on an every-time-down-the-floor basis. In fact — and it pains me to say this — he may have already passed LeBron James in that regard.
This is not to say that Irving is a better player than James. The Cavs recent losing streak with James out showed that, no, Irving still does not know how to win in this league. Too often, his brand of hero ball seems to send the Cavs to the wrong side of the win/loss column. He walks the ball up too much rather than pushing it. But, as we saw from Irving in the FIBA tournament this summer, when he seems to feel more trust in the players around him, Irving can look like one of the best players in the league.
Take a look at the first few plays in the video below (or, you know, watch the whole thing over and over, if you want):
Irving’s baseline drive draws the attention of three Bulls defenders, allowing him the easy dish off to Mosgov under the rim for an easy two. Then he gets a filthy block of Pau Gasol from behind. Then he advances the break with the pass to the hair-trigger of J.R. Smith for three and to James for James-standard rim finish. An Irving bucket isn’t shown until there’s just over a minute left in the first quarter (and, boy, was it a beautiful bucket).
With the Cavs full cast on the floor with him, Irving seems more willing to allow his driving to set up more opportunities for his teammates… something that has been less the case with LeISO’s 20-seconds-than-heave strategy.
Regardless, it just feels good to like watching Irving again.
2.) While the Cavaliers are feeling expectedly warm and fuzzy during their current win streak, there’s another familiar face seeing a similar upswing in the last two weeks: Dion Waiters.
In his five games since joining the Thunder, Waiters is averaging 14.4 points in just under 28 minutes a game. He has also seen some of his advanced stats, never Waiters strong suit, see a similar small sample size bump. Waiters PER in OKC is 17.6 and his WS/48 is an equally above-league-average .117. (Update: this was written before Waiters scored three points on 1-9 shooting in 26 minutes of the Thunder’s Tuesday night win over the Miami Heat, plummeting said advanced stat plumage to more familiar below-league-average numbers of a 13.7 PER and .067 WS/48… So, you know, small sample size giveth and small sample size taketh away.)
Taking a look at some of Waiters highlights shows him still taking many of the shots that drove Cavs fans nuts and, while Waiters attributes his early success with the Thunder to being able to “touch the ball” more, he’s actually touching it a touch less.
But, scoring and usage and touches aside, you wonder if Waiters played defense like he does in the play below, if he’d still be on the Cavs.
Godspeed, Dion. CtB wishes you well.
3.) Until Iman Shumpert returns (either tonight or Friday) it’s tempting to look at the trade as being a straight Waiters-for-Smith deal (rather than turning Waiters and a protected first rounder into the Shumpert/Smith/Mosgov trifecta) for the simple fact that, once he’s moved to the bench, Smith will take on the role the team tried to fill with Waiters for most of last season and this one. So, let’s do that…
Smith’s post-trade stats have actually been pretty similar to Waiters’. He’s been playing more minutes (about five more a game) but scoring 14.6 points per game compared to 12.5 for Waiters. He’s also shooting better from the floor, especially from three-point range, where Smith is shooting 39% (and where his looks shouldn’t exactly get worse now that he’ll be sharing the floor, at times, with LeBron James). The two guards have nearly identical PERs and Smith is currently besting Waiters in WS, WS/48, all while posting a lower usage rate.
The Cavs will almost surely have to deal with “bad” J.R. at some point(s) after, so far, seeing almost exclusively the good, but even rolling back some of Smith’s numbers when he loses minutes on Shumpert’s return and the Cavs still have a bench scorer who fits into what they are built to do now better than Waiters ever did.
Which is scary… because we’re still talking about J.R. Smith.
4.) Monday’s win against Chicago moved the Cavs into the number five slot in the Eastern Conference. They now sit 4.5 games behind the sputtering Bulls, 6.5 behind third place Toronto and a full seven games in back of the Wizards of Washington D.C.
Going into their recent trip out west — while being told that James would very likely return during the swing — I figured the Cavs had to go 3-3 in the five road trip games and their first game back home against the Bulls. The losing was getting ugly and I felt the team needed to find something positive to build on. I was expecting those positives to be an Irving/Love-led victory in Sacramento, a sound win against the Lake Show and then a grab bag win from either the Suns, Clippers or Bulls.
This team — as has been their calling card for the past several seasons, at least — completely confounded my attempts at prediction. The laid an egg of supreme egginess in Sacramento, but — and probably more importantly when looking at the season as a whole — they beat both the Clippers and the Bulls and had a decent shot to steal a win in Phoenix, as well. Thus far in the history of your post-trade, new-look Cavs, they are not racing out to leads and then blowing them, as they were early in the season. They haven’t stared at a ten point deficit and felt like it was 20, as they did when LeBron was injured/resting. Time will tell if they’ve finally figured out how to keep their opponents from scoring 60 points by halftime of every game, but right now the schedule is favorable (nine of 13 are at home heading into the All-Star break) and the talent (if still imperfect) on the Cavs roster is rising (if still imperfectly) to the top.
The head coach and the players have gotten some of their swagger back. By the weekend, they should be as healthy and complete a roster as they’ve had at any point this season. Now, it’s time for the team to go on a serious run and show that they’ve learned something about winning from all of the recent losing.
The thing that stands out mostly with JR is making shots in a defenders face. I don’t recall Dion doing that much, if any at all. JR makes the CAVS more mature. Dion is still young and raw. He is probably another solid 3yrs away. JR won 6th Man of the Year, he has talent. I think Lebron can get him to reach his full potential nightly. We may not see bad JR until the playoffs. Tonight’s win was great. I love watching the defense. It still looks immature but I see the heart and passion coming more so ever… Read more »
Also, we got 2 “players” for Dion. We had no bench. It was a no brainer. I would still consider the Love for Bledsoe/Len trade. 2 players for 1. Although Suns wouldn’t do that.
On a separate note… It sounds like LBJ participated in shootaround today, so hopefully he’s over his “flu-like symptoms” and will play tonight. On the other hand, it sounds like Kyrie missed the shootaround with his own “flu-like symptoms” so wonder if he’ll play at all or be a game-time decision…
With Lebron we are good. So he needs to play. We are awful when he’s injured.
I’m gonna say it was “fake Cols” that posted this…
So far the Cavs have traded away a good potion of last year’s awful team and received in return pieces that fit together to make this team the most talented in the East. Once Blatt can figure out how to harness that potential (and I totally see it all coming together), they will steamroll everyone.
That Griffin has done this without sacrificing the future (everyone of significance is still young) and kept his first round pick for this year is pretty amazing.
I didn’t realize KLove fit on this team so well. You must be watching another game? The Cavs may be the most talented but it doesn’t mean they are the best team in the East. I suppose you mean once LeBron decides to listen to Blatts play calls instead of hijacking the offense? I believe Griffin sacrificed the future when he traded Wiggins and overpaid to clear cap space for LeBron? Now if they win a championship its all good.
You can’t sacrifice the future when you trade fora 25 year old Kevin Love. He’s going to be around a while.
If Love re-signs long term, you didn’t sacrifice the future at all. You’ll have James, Irving, and Love together for the next 4-5 years, at least.
Sure, Wiggins might be a superstar at that point, but it doesn’t matter. Not if our guys stay together.
metrics are amazing thing to view and analyze–have just started to use them as a high school coach and they do assist in making playing time decisions—-but all metrics aside unfortunately dion just wasn’t going to work here in Cleveland—griff waited for what he thought was the best time / deal to ” yank the cord “—indeed enjoy watching this years version of kyrie–just wondering how much he is being influenced by LeBron ON WHAT TO DO —-BUT MAYBE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT ON WHAT NOT TO DO
Waiters – on both the Cavs and OKC has been averaging about 1 point per shot. (12 ppg in OKC for about 12 shots per game); 10 ppg for about 10 shots per game for the cavs. And last year he was at about 14 ppg for about 14 shots per game. So – amazing consistency. JR Smith – in contrast – is averaging 14 ppg on 7 shots per game. I know there are more advanced metrics – but this makes it painfully clear – that in a system where there are limited shots to go around, Smith is… Read more »
Very interesting way of looking at it.
I definitely agree
While I don’t think I ever got to the point where I didn’t enjoy watching Kyrie play, I agree with you Robert that he’s been even more fun to watch this season because of the weapons at his disposal. I think FIBA helped go a long way to show him the path to playing winning basketball. Here’s hoping the end of this season helps to cement that.
Smith has been a tremendous upgrade over Waiters. It’s not really close. Waiters was really sucky for the Cavs this year.
When James is healthy, it’s pretty obvious that this team has what it takes to make it through the Eastern Conference Playoffs. Just need him healthy to do it.
Sigh… Cols can you please for the love of all that is interesting just come up with a take that doesn’t just revert back to saying someone “sucks” or is “sucky”? It’s pretty obvious that JR is simply a better fit for the Cavs given his ability to catch and shoot and make more shots from distance. They already have three guys who are more ball-dominant in this offense, and Dion is best used as a ball-dominant player (which OKC could utilize better with their current roster). If you bothered to read Robert’s write-up or watch an OKC game, you… Read more »
I agree EG, and generally agree with Cols as well. The difference is that JR doesn’t “demand” the ball, and pout when he doesn’t get it. He picks his spots, takes what the game offers him, and doesn’t hesitate when it does come his way.
Big game in fantasy this week, Evil. Could have playoff seeding ramifications….
It’s been a pretty good matchup so far. It’s tough playing Alex Dirk last week and then facing your team this week. My one big plus this week was supposed to be a healthy DeRozan returning, but he just had an 0-9 performancs…smh.
Maybe too early to start talking playoff seeding ramifications, but maybe not since the fantasy regular season ends almost a month earlier…
JR has been a pleasant surprise. That he has much more experience in the NBA than StWeirdo is usually obvious from watching him play.
At he is best, he’s also a very pesky defender. He just should leave the pesky switch ‘on’ at all times.
One key difference I’ve noticed between Waiters and Smith is that Smith doesn’t compound the pain of bad shot selection with needless hesitation dribbling and buildup before he launches an ill advised 20ft step-back. Smith is very quick to pull the trigger on his bad shots. May sound stupid but it improves the general watchability factor and more importantly might provide a better chance for an offensive rebound (defense doesn’t have time to get position, etc.)