Live Thread: Cavs Vs Thunder
2015-01-25Dion Waiters is coming to Cleveland to battle against LeBron James and the Cavaliers today. Except, Dion probably wouldn’t phrase it that way. He would say Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook are going into the King’s house.
Waiters seems to have found a spot on the Thunder. He knows he isn’t better than their two stars. On the Cavs, Dion often stated and showed in subtle ways he thought he was better than Kyrie Irving. He may have been at times, but the way he manifested this attitude was by taking ill-thought shots, sulking, and demanding the ball from everyone to make up for perceived slights.
I’m not sure why Dion has fallen in line. Even in his first game with the Thunder against the Jazz, he did what he was asked to do so well that Scott Brooks praised his defense and tenacity. How often did that happen in Cleveland outside of myself and a few bloggers really wanting a legitimate reason to love Dion so much?
Maybe, Dion needed a star point guard to be older than him. Russell is three years older than him, while Kyrie is one year younger than him. Or, and this is the theory I’m pushing, Saint Weirdo is like a spoiled puppy. Starting his career in Cleveland, he was indulged. No one told him “no” very forcefully when he was acting out, and that let him develop some really bad habits. His housemates in Cleveland were all his. When people came into his team’s place, he showed off. “Look at this bad shot I’m taking with MY ball. I’ll even take it off balance to show more autonomy.”
Now, he’s in a new unfamiliar place and isn’t acting out as much. I’m reminded of when I was just ten years old, and my older sister got a little Sharpei puppy. She was caramel and if you listened to my sister, each one of her wrinkles contained a new way to cause household damage. Yet, whenever my sister visited my mom and me with her puppy, the little dog was never terrible. A quick gaze her way and whatever shoe she wanted to chew was instantly forgotten. Kevin Durant’s gaze is doing that to Waiters.
This change of scenery is working for Dion, and he seems happy. I mean, “Listen, they give [him] the ball. Like, [he touches] the ball. Like, [he] actually, like, you know, [touches] the ball.” [Darnell Mayberry]
And, honestly, I’m not even sure he is touching the ball more. He’s just in a better mental spot not feeling like this team is his and something that he needs to show off for.
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The Cavs are a lot like the Thunder. Andrew Sharp of Grantland tried to make that case during the week, and he had some good points throughout his piece: Both have coaches on the “hot seat,” they have big men that are offensively challenged, have made some questionable trades (James Harden/Andrew Wiggins), have offenses that lack structure, etc…
However, I can’t help but wanting to scream, “The Cavs are just three months old.” The Thunder and Cavs aren’t alike. The Thunder have had these above mentioned issues for years now. They’ve never had an offense. The Cavs can still reasonably say words like “process” without entire flocks of bloggers jumping into a river.
Yeah, the Cavs have problems, but coach wise, the two teams are very different. Sharp says that the pair differ in the sense that Blatt has a complex offense the team doesn’t run and Scott has a non complex offense. No, Scott has a reasonably normal offense, it’s just very poor given that he has two top ten players. It doesn’t utilize them correctly because a seven footer who can dribble shouldn’t be forced to the perimeter in crunch time. The Thunder listen to Scott and run his defense how he wants it to be run. It just stinks.
The Cavs, however, aside from the past four games, have not been executing what Mr. Blatt wants, so they have looked bad without Blatt’s help. I don’t know what Blatt’s offense looks like; although, I’ve seen glimpses of it watching the second unit swing the ball around. It looks pretty smooth. Defensively, Blatt has completely revamped the scheme, and the Cavs have been a top five defense, statistically, the past three games.
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And, finally, the biggest difference between the Thunder and the Cavs is the fact that the Cavs offense is just rounding into “top offense without running plays” status. The Thunder are statistically there. Both of these teams thrive in transition. They’re full of smart, agile guys, that can instinctively do damage on the break.
For the whole season, the Thunder are ranked 13th in fast break points, and the Cavs are ranked 17th. During the past three games though, the Cavs are fourth in transition points and the Thunder are seventh. The Thunder were sixth last season, so this says that their offense is pretty much reaching where it was last year. The Cavs are just rounding into what they might be, and while some may say that talent-wise the Thunder are better than Cleveland, I’d like to think that Cleveland can make up for that through coaching. The coaching just has to be accepted by the team. I don’t think Blatt has called for any of the Le-Iso plays so far this season.
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I’m picking the Cavs to win today, 109-101. Dion will take two ill-advised mid-range jumpers, but he will play insane defense on Kyrie Irving trying to shut him down. I expect Kyrie to do the same to Dion.
Great game! Give some credit to the D. Some… it was good enough. First game my oldest (4 years in 6 days) got to watch with me this season! He loved it. Good energy. When Love hit the 3 at 3 minutes left I said “BOOM” and my littlest who is 16 months and barely speaks repeated “boom”.
My 16 yr old is finally thankful for turning him to a Ohio sports fan. This year has brought some redemption for a him while living out west since birth. All of his friends are ” why do you root for Ohio” and this year he truly gets it! Years past it was painful and I kept saying ” just because I am doesn’t mean you have to” even tho deep down I was so happy. Go cavs
I don’t know. If you take a trip to the west coast there’s a chance you’d be picked up on child abuse. Seriously. I fully understand your elation, but don’t put it out there where the gov’t might see it.
how about we go for a ” COACH K ” / 1,000 blogs —congrats to coach “k “—–let’s show everyone the power of the ctb’s
That might be a tough one ;)
Think we can settle for the record tonight regardless…
Man David you almost nailed that final score. Well done.
I’ve never seen anyone hate on Dion the person – although Dion the player could ve grating a times.
I’m glad he seems comfortable in OKC – I hope he helps them make the playoffs. This trade was about fit – the Cavs got some guys that make more sense around LeBron and KI
Just three more stops on the Cavs Revenge Tour 2015 and then an extra capper against the TWolves. Should be able to take down a Jennings-less Pistons team, a wounded Blazers team and a dysfunctional Kings team…
I think the Pistons will struggle now so we SHOULD win that one with ease. The Blazers may be wounded but man are they tough to beat. The Kings are scary–remember what Boogie did to us last time. Mozilla may have something to say about it this time…
Good breakdown, hotpants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1U-EBVuLt0 James Brown – Hot pants. Smokin’.
HA! Great find, U-Dog. If you go further back, you get: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb9ryWTgq9s
Akron, OH. 1969.
When SHUMP settles in, this team will be no fun to play against.
Different topic: any chance Kyrie doesn’t make the ASG reserves? Lots of really great guards in the East this year?
I was wondering too, but I don’t think so with his numbers. Also, how do they not put last years ASG MVP on the team?
That’s what I was wondering. Kyrie wins ASG MVP and FIBA MVP but seems to be the victim of a radically redefined team. It’s a shame, because I would take 2015 Kyrie over 2014 Kyrie any day of the week.
100% agree. 2015 Kyrie has been fighting through screens which allows bigs to stay home.
I keep grinning when I visulaize Shump in the playoffs and getting comfortable with is team. He is off to a great start. I loved that run down that led to a turn. He is focused on defense for sure and seems smart on offense just needs to practice more with dribbling
Yeah he will allow LeBron to rest on D (without it killing our)
Come on guys! Five more and we get to 600! (or four more after I post this…)
Jesus Lord in Heaven why did the writer bother to dedicate 6 paragraphs on a former Cav? This Dion hate of a 2.5 year NBA player is ridiculous. Who cares? This game was so more significant than a petty Dion hate campaign for just old time sakes, Let’s be objective. Smh. The Cavs were absolutely amazing tonight and balanced. Loved Tristan’s game of 16 rebounds, 10 points and 3 blocks. And :”Will the real Kevin Love please stand up?'” DID!!!! Cavs were committed on defense and it showed! For the record JR had the same shooting% as Dion tonight &… Read more »
I hear what you’re saying, but the truth is that people ARE interested in reading about Dion and how he’s doing. For what it’s worth, I didn’t get the vibe that it was petty Dion hate at all…
Good comment.
Respectfully asking CtBers not to take the Lord’s name in vain.
Agreed – we should all refrain from that – myself included.
Amen to that. No need for it….
The difference between J.R.’s 30% (or so) and Dion’s 30% (or so) is that the Thunder had to respect J.R.’s shot and that does important things to the defense. I love Dion, but he hasn’t earned much respect for his catch and shoot.
Also Smith is bigger and a better defender – he’s also more athletic which can help in transition. Dion is better at dribble drive penetrating. JR is a better fit at both ends.
Cavs pick up a game in the standings with the Bulls loss to the Heat earlier today. Just 3 1/2 back of them now…
Loss also drops OKC behind New Orleans in the WC…
Got to listen to this one on Wtam – really like John Michael and Chonesie’s chemistry. Sounds like Cavs guards were doing a good job fighting through screens and that Perkins was getting away with a lot (typical). Big game for K Love from distance and TT around the rack.
I like Jim Chones’ commentary on the radio.
I miss listening to games on the radio when Joe Tait did them. That was a big part of my formative Cavs years. Nobody will ever be as good as Joe, but I’ll bet Chonesie is a good listen…
Chones gives a good perspective. The one thing Tait did better than anyone was call the game in real time. John Michael paints a descriptive picture but isn’t as quick as Tait was. Sometimes I hear the roar of the crowd or the PA announcer before he begins to describe how someone drove baseline and scored. But I got used to it after about 10 minutes. It was white knuckle driving in the snow on 71 – those guys took me home (literally)
Chones is a likable guy and fairly knowledgeable, but he yammers. About half the time he is saying something goofy, or is mixed up. He also talks about himself way too much, e.g., mentioning his bass guitar playing. Micheal is pretty good, but he and Chones are often yammering about who knows what, and miss a lot of the action. Tate was vastly better.
Glad you got home safe!
Yeah, there was nothing like Tait’s “From the line to the lane…WHAM with the RIGHT HAND!” or “Price for thareeeeeee! GOT IT!!”
I used to like: “a whistle aaand WHAT.”
And, yes Tom, everything you heard about Perk was true. His THUGGERY knows no bounds…
Love listening to those guys. So much better than Fred and AC.
This was a “toughness” win and complements the wizardry of the last game. Mozgov: tough. LeBron: tough. TT: tough. JR even added some toughness though I didn’t much like the halfcourt screen Perkins set on him. This definitely looked like a playoff game, if a bit sloppier. If we can limit turnovers, it’s all over. I think as guys get to know each other a bit, we’ll see the TO’s come down.
Coupla things:
Thanks Griff for the recent trade(s). Everything has changed. This is what we thought we’d see. These wins aren’t a fluke.
Even so, Moz (2 pts) . . . Shumpert (12 minutes) . . . and JR Swish (4-14) . . . were not the difference makers tonight . . . unless they did “little things” to help with the win.
LBJ: What does the “B” stand for. If it’s “Bron” then, what does the “Bron” mean in Le Bron. Seriously.
Yeah, but Moz still changed a lot of shots and snagged some key boards. He also (as Nate pointed out earlier) boxed out Perk and Ibaka so KLove and TT could snag a ton more. Shump looks rusty, but he still brought some good defensive energy. He was a part of that lineup that really stymied the Thunder in the second quarter. JR Swish had his first few “no, no, no, don’t!” shots today, but he still hit a couple of big threes. The B stands for Bron and I think it’s only LBJ because those are the Capital letters… Read more »
I’m sensing that Shumpert is a heady player. He turned down a few marginal shot opportunities to get better shots for the team. I saw an interview of him and he seems fairly sharp. I mean, a 6′ 6″ defensive minded guy that grows 3″ of hair to appear 6’9″. How smart is that?
Good point! And here I thought he was just trying to bring back the high top fade along with Nerlens and Norris Cole…
Hard to shoot over that Flat Top!
Good win. Defense was pretty decent, but we should all keep in mind okc missed an insane amount of wide open threes and layups. Offense wasn’t pretty. The amount of ISO ball the cavs played in this game was ridiculous. Guess if you hit ridiculous shots it doesn’t matter, but I don’t think that is a recipe for success against a great defense in a 7 game series. I think that needs to change pronto.
“Insane amount” is an exaggeration. Give the Cavs some credit for some tough D. They also missed their share of wide open shots.
Here’s my theory on why so much ISO this game. It was a nationally televised mid-season game against the reigning MVP. LBJ is ALWAYS going to use games like this as a showcase (just like the Laker game and the Miami game).
Just enjoy the win….
I am enjoying the win, just don’t want this team to fall back into terrible habits after success. Still, you are right there d was good. I admit ISO ball infuriates me because I do not see success being sustainable like that. But yeah a win against a hyper athletic team like Okc is great for the cavs.
Totally agree with that, but don’t think they will regress too far in normal games. KLove and TT came up BIG tonight and LBJ and Kyrie still had very good games. First sighting of a bit of “bad JR” but he still hit some big threes and played with energy. Tough game numbers-wise for Moz, but he still changed a lot of shots for OKC.
It was “bad” JR only because he missed shots. On any given night some guys hit, other guys don’t.
On another note, I think tonight was a watershed night for Love shooting-wise.
I say “bad JR” because there were a couple of ill-advised shots at bad times. He’s hit a few of those prior to this game, so they weren’t egregious…
Wonder if Matrix was hurting and didn’t play in second half. He looked pretty good on D in the first…
Wondered that as well, I hope not because he has looked damn good off the bench, and especially last 2/3 games.
Held the Thunder to 39%. Durant and Westbrook were a combined 19-49
Eerily similar to the Hawks victory over the Thunder – both 10 point wins. Both close games where the home team pulled away at the end.
KLove: 5 for 7 from 3. Nice.
The bench players had the best +/- tonight.
Nice find U dog… thought they all did really well, I really like Delly in the 2nd half, TT all game, Matrix in the 1st half, and Shump had nice hustle.
Can’t believe dion played 33 minutes. They won’t even sniff the playoffs with him getting that much run.
Wow. Didn’t seem like he was out there that much. He ended up 5-15, 14 points.
Such a Dion game. I wonder if the Thunder can turn him into an impact player (and I mean a positive impact player).
He was bound to have an uneven game though coming back to the place where he had most of his uneven games previously…
First time for me onboard here, enjoyed “watching” the game with knowledgeable fans!
Welcome to the Cavsanity!
Welcome aboard CLF!
This is the best board in the nation. If there was a competition CtB would win the championship. So Cavs need to catch up with us.
Thanks for the warm welcome, I never use comment boards usually, but I’ve been reading you guys for some time and loved the positivity and smarts. Keep it up!
Always room for more! Glad you joined the ranks CLF!
Welcome and thanks , CLF!
I did predict a 104-97 Cavs victory. Pretty close….
That’s funny. So did I!
And the Cavaliers Revenge Tour 2015 ROLLS ON!! Six wins and counting! GO CAVS!
Nice win, I wonder what impact Steve Adams would’ve had.
ZERO. Just means we would have seen less of Perk’s general THUGGERY…
More free throw attempts for TT and mozgov I bet.
NONE. N – O – N – E NONE.
Your right. Westbrook and Durant were terrible.
6 in a row baby!
GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
This video game is over!
Westbrook is sort of right. It wasn’t off his leg, it was off his hip.
I never though Jeff Van Gundy would be a good commentator, but he’s really entertaining. It’s his self-effacing nature.
I will never forget the pic of him in the scrum. Can’t rember whose leg he was holding onto though.
He was on Mourning’s leg. Check out Oakley at 1:02 in this clip. This is at the tail end of a nasty rumble, with a lot of punches thrown, if not landed, but Oakley can’t keep a straight face trying to restrain Van Gundy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoTTCeLhLDA
I’ve always loved JVG – favorite national announcer. Doris Burke second. Wish Chuck would get in the booth
Anyone is going to look good next to M. Jackson. Please God someone hire that guy so I don’t have to listen to him anymore.
Tonight’s been pretty iffy from both teams. It didn’t look pretty for sure, but the Cavs have hit their threes and whatever they did they made sure WB and Durant kinda shot themselves in the foot.
Cavs still played some great D
some. OKC missed a lot.
So did the Cavs though….
Yes. Everything has changed in that area. It will only get better when SHUMP is off minutes restriction.
Cavs have played better team defense. Especially when shumpert was on. He and mozgov are great additions for team d. Other cavs caught it too
I thought we funneled to the middle good, but Irving got stuffed on some picks. So did Shump, but he made up for it with the steals.
I love JVG saying “It doesn’t matter, this game is over anyways…” with respect to the debate on possession…
Man . . . Waiters has missed a lot of gimmees. This would have been a different game if he made a few.
You mean like in 80 percent of the games he played in Cleveland this year??
We should re-compute the Cavs record over a three year period assuming he made 50% of his gimmees or open 3’s.
I’m absolutely loving this team. They are having a lot of fun.
You can still get tickets to games this week.
How’s that a jump ball?
Oh good, they’re going to review it. This should only take 5 minutes…
DION! Closing out the game for the Cavs.
Wide open give me at the rim and he pulls a St. Weirdo.
Shump is in there now…
Don’t feel like the Cavs have played great tonight. Just feel like they caught OKC on a really off game.
They played well in spurts for sure, but I generally agree… bodes really well for the Cavs that they can beat a West coast team without playing their best game.
Sounded like they rebounded very well.
WTF is Smith doing out there. Put Shump out for defense.
Blatt was also getting Moz in for TT for FT purposes…
I know. I want to see him on Westbrook.
517 comments. We shattered the record!
What was the record? And also, just wait for the playoffs!
I don’t know. But we shattered it!
Perkins is pissed. He’s going to rage eat a half dozen extra babies tonight.
Wow, thank God okc is as cold as ice this game
BYE BYE PERK! DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU! MAYBE IT’S TIME TO RETIRE YOUR TIRED THUG ACT!
Foul off the ball in the last two minutes. Should be one shot and the ball.
WHAT?! They didn’t call it? Stupid decision by refs.
Perkins is out!
Wow. Cavs dodged a bullet in that drive. Love with a fantastic pass. They need to get the ball to him more often.
Preaching to choir my friend re: Love!!!
His passing is so good!
Westbrook is a mere mortal. Again, he does some superhuman things . . . but we’re defending him and he’s mortal.
Ibaka on the other hand…
Sometimes he has trouble executing.
TERRIFIC pass from LOVE!!!
Great pass again by K Love!!! TT nice finish!
Great pass to TT by love
LOVE WITH THE PASS!
Westbrook has had some easy misses at the rim
Poor execution.
Was gonna say that’s a dumb foul by Westbrook, but as bad as the Cavs are at the line, tonight…
Hack-A-Bron in effect??
Where’s Cols? Does he miss every game? It started Sunday before 5:00 and now it’s almost 6:00.
I know. Cols is actually LBJ . . . and he’s busy right now.
That’s a really interesting theory….lol
American Crime: might be good, but also looks like it would be no fun at all to watch.
SPRINKLES ARE FOR WINNERS!!!
When I was a kid sprinkles at the friendly’ sorry sisters chicken were the best. I have no clue why either.
Not sorry, needs to read or.
Does anyone know of AC and Fred are having a good time calling this game? The ESPN guys are ok but I do miss ac’s cackle
Those guys are off, as this is a major network game.
Too bad because I bet it would be entertaining.
I’m not getting the Cleveland broadcast either. I’m going to miss the after game shows.
KLove!!! After that three things will never be the same for him. His confidence has come back home.
No basket makes me happier right now than seeing KLove drain 3’s he needed this in the worst way.
Exactly… he has really broken out this game. They gotta keep feeding him.
Into a spot up shooter. I’m not stoked on it.
Well, actually I’ve been saying when the game slows down, gotta get him elbow/post touches.
Love is 6 for 10, 5 of 7 on threes.
That was a huge for Klove! So glad he is having a good game tonight
KLOVE WITH THE DAGGGGGGGGGGGGERR!!!!
Great pass by LBJ, K Love easy 3!!!
The Cavs know the Thunders game plan, why won’t they just double Durant on touches. Make morrow win this game, or perk.
Eh. Durant’s mid-rangers aren’t as dangerous at this point as giving up threes to Morrow.
It’s the principal of it.
Was about to make a comment about the commentary and my ESPN electroshock collar went off.
LOL! 500 here we come!!!
SICK basket by LeBron!
That one HURT the Thunder… and caused Mark Jackson to break out his ANNOYING catch phrase “Mama… there goes that man…”
FINALLY they get Perkins for general THUGGERY!
Yeah! Thuggery (all caps)!
Perkins! Sucka!