The Point Four-ward: How Buddy Ball Won Out
2015-01-30Four points I’m thinking about the NBA and the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) This time last season, I couldn’t have expected I’d be uttering the following statement: the two Cavaliers players I most enjoy watching this season are Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson.
Now, sure, even before Wednesday night’s Kyrie-a-thon, that’s not the craziest thing in the world to say. It’s not like saying I’m tuning in just for the chance to see three glorious minutes of Mike Miller or James Jones. But this time last year, I was firmly on Team Dion and was more than open to criticizing the highly-susceptible-to-criticism play of Irving and Thompson, a.k.a. Team Buddy Ball.
But here we are now…
While Waiters showed up less than fully willing to alter his game to adapt to a new set of teammates and expectations, Irving and Thompson, for the most part, have let the new demands on them make them more effective players for this Cavaliers team.
For Thompson, it meant being freed of the ambiguity surrounding his role as a former number four overall pick. Before this year, even while dismissing the notion that Thompson could ever become the second coming of Karl Malone (let alone even the first coming of Jonas Valanciunas), there was some hope that Thompson would emerge as a difference making player. There was hope for that because there was need for that and, as is the case with players on bad teams, Cavs fans often conflated what the team lacked with what Thompson was missing. And, to be fair, if this team was 10-37 right now and continuing to whiff on its rebuild, I wouldn’t be praising Thompson right now, I’d surely be burying him.
But, luckily for Thompson, the team’s direction changed radically when they found themselves once again speeding down Highway 23. Thompson’s pared down role — he’s emerged as one of the team’s more versatile defenders, capable of switching on just about anyone and now excels defending on the perimeter where he was once (only recently) abysmal and he’s pulled down over four offensive rebounds a game during the Cavs’ current win streak — allows him to really shine as a high-quality role player, finally the high-motor player his defenders always claimed he was even when he really wasn’t.
Think of it this way: on a bad team, offensive rebounding is nice. But on a team expected to play deep into the playoffs, having a player who can get the Cavs four second-chances in what could be a tight game (or series of tight games) is absolutely crucial.
2.) Irving, of course, is another matter entirely. His 11 triples against the Blazers, which came on the heels of a similarly clutch performance in Detroit, isn’t a case of a player sacrificing his game for the betterment of the team. But Irving’s improved a lot of the things detractors (myself included) pointed to as likely irreparable flaws in his game. What’s more, he’s led this team by example (even more so than LeBron James, one could argue) in this recent stretch where the Cavs have appeared to right their ship.
Flat out, Irving has competed, which is something Cavs fans have been desperate to see from their fourth year guard. If still not lock-down, Irving has, along with the rest of the team, held opposing point guards to 35.5% shooting (42-118) over the last eight games. For a player who seemed so willing to usher opposing points safely into the lane for easy score after easy score, just seeing him flying around and showing some grit and life on D is a revelation.
While James still does his fair share of ball handling, you can see the Cavs letting Irving run some of the show now, even when he and James share the floor. This frees the Cavs up to get James more touches in the post and recognizes that Irving is often just as willing a passer on his drives now than is James, if not more so.
Watching Irving and Thompson have success at Waiters’ expense on Sunday (two of Thompson’a three blocks came on “I know exactly what’s coming” swats of his former teammate) seemed to say that those who were against Buddy Ball may have been on the wrong side of history.
3.) Speaking of Waiters: a lot was made of LeBron James’ wording of the essay that announced his return. Remember how he failed to mention Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett while listing the players he was excited to play with and mentor (Irving, Waiters and Thompson)? Well, in hindsight, he probably could have left Waiters name out of the essay too, since it was James’ addition to the roster that made the skills of the third-year guard from Syracuse redundant.
Waiters’ unwillingness (or inability) to change his game to fit in with two other players (James and Irving) who would dominate the ball and create off drives, made him the third wheel who really just wanted to play the same way the Big Wheels got to. This is not to question Waiters talent — Cavs fans know he’s got it in droves — but the team couldn’t keep playing tug-of-war with the ball. There needed to be defined roles, a pecking order, and Waiters always seemed to be the one resisting his role in deference to the version of himself that he could be on, say, a team like the Sixers where he’d be allowed to dazzle… at the unfortunate expense of winning.
The Cavs needed a shooter, free of conscience, who could also be an able defender. They got that (plus Iman Shumpert) for Waiters in J.R. Smith. He has allowed the Cavs to balance the floor and give Irving and James the driving room they need and plenty of options when they do.
Would Waiters have been able to excel in Irving’s role if the team had decided to roll with Syracuse Orange over Duke blue? Again, had you asked me this even four months ago, I’d probably have opted Orange. Now, well…
4.) I cannot overstate how important Wednesday’s win over the Blazers was. Going back to LeBron 1.0 days, the Cavs have always been horrible when he doesn’t play. It used to be because the Mike Brown-era LeBron teams were a little thin on talent when their star sat. That’s no longer the case.
Winning when the King is unavailable for decree not only builds confidence in a team that is still anchored by several players not yet accustomed to winning, it shows James that the squad is solid enough to get the job done if he should come up short, either due to injury or just plain poor performance. James still needs to build trust in this team and this coaching staff… and games like Wednesday night’s are a good place to start.
Sorry I’m late for the party. Great article guy. Buddy ball won out, and ironically the three players involved in the locker room “meeting” are still in contact with one another after the deal. I was really bummed about Dion being traded. It needed to happen and they are better because of it.
LBJ is playing tonight!
Just found out it’s #DoubleNickelDogNight at the Q tonight!
Get your double dog on Nate!
Sounds like KLove might also be out with the sore knee tonight. Going to need to be another big night for Kyrie if both LBJ and KLove are sitting…
Before Lebron Decision 2.0, I was all about trading Kyrie and keeping Dion as a PG. The only reason I would’ve dealt K.I. was due to him not being able to learn how to win and carry (learn how to carry) a franchise on his own. He would’ve brought a king’s ransom. Lebron is mosdef changing the culture defensively. You always take an athletic 7 footer who weighs 245 or more. Head case or not, you take Drummond at 4. I don’t want to hear about Olawakandi. You take Drummond, it really is not debatable. Having Kyrie while drafting Waiters… Read more »
I don’t think any of the draft gurus or GM had Drummond at 4. There are plenty of 7 footers who turned out to be a bust. On the other side of the coin, look at all the decades of second guessing about Hakeem being drafted ahead of MJ. Personally, I think that was the best guess, Olajuwon is a once in a generation (near) seven footer, and it was hard to foresee how good MJ would get. I was HO at the Richfield Col once, and you cannot believe what a sweet turnaround jump shot he had, for a… Read more »
I would only take Kareem over Olajuwon as far as fives go. Jordan had a 1 seed team around him. The Bulls won the 1 seed the year after he retired the 1st time.
I understand many bigs bust. But, if there is no sure thing perimeter player, YOU ALWAYS TAKE THE GAMBLE ON AN “ATHLETIC” BIG. Always, you cannot teach height plus athleticism. Now, I am not talking Brandan Wright athleticism, I am talking 7 feet 260 athletic ability like Shaq.
I’m not sure he should actually be put to death for drafting Dion… To be fair, 8 other teams passed on Drummond too (okay only 7 count because The Brow was always gonna be #1). I remember there being real questions about his motor and focus as well (things that are still issues despite his mostly breakout season). Drafts are tough things to predict. Draymond Green went #35 in that same draft and now is being talked about as a potential max deal player in some circles (not mine, I think that’s ridiculous). Should Grant be executed for not taking… Read more »
I would say no on Green over Zeller. Of course many bigs bust, I am saying even so, you always take Drummond at 4 or even 2. He was number one or two on every one’s mock draft that year before the college season was over. Bigs bust… But Drummond is athletic as Shaq IMO.
I would say executed. But maybe I would be satisfied with with a stoning right down Euclid.
Athletic as Shaq but not the touch.
Somewhat off topic. Everyone alludes that KLove is more than a little hurting. Why doesn’t the media ask him about it? I think after the Detroit game he was interviewed in the locker room. The guy was practically bent over in half. The only part of him you could see was the top of his head.
Further why doesn’t the media ask Blatt why he’s not giving more minutes to both Mozgov and Marion when both seem to be playing tremendously well in certain games of late.
Just askin’.
I don’t understand, how could you ever take Waiters over Kyrie? I always felt Kyrie was on a completely different level of talent than him. I think Waiters will always be a player that comes off the bench as a scorer on any contender team.
I can see how people would take Dion over Kyrie before… -Kyrie seemed soft- could never stay healthy a whole season -Kyrie seemed soft- didn’t have the same fight as Dion -Kyrie didn’t even seem remotely interested in playing D -Kyrie’s shooting stats were trending in the wrong direction -Kyrie putting up stats didn’t translate into wins, where as at least when Dion had 20-25 games of 20ppg toward the end of last season we had a winning record and almost made the playoffs With hindsight it seems obvious that Kyrie is the man, but at the time there were… Read more »
All good points Peter. Also, Dion did a pretty good job and his numbers were very good when he filled in for Kyrie when injured…
I’m honestly happy that Love didn’t make the all-star game. He needs rest. His back has been an issue for a month. If they need to give him a couple games off, that’s fine too. LeBron and Marion can play some 4 and TT and Mozzy can cover 60+ of the front court minutes. Get him right. If they get him to 3/4ths of what he was in Minnesota this team will be nearly unbeatable.
The cavs are still terrible without Lebron. The blazers game was probably a coincidence. Kyrie scored 55 and we still blew our lead and almost lost. When Kyrie decides to take over and not pass, everyone just stand around and looks shocked when they touch the ball. We are screwed with out Bron
Did you actually watch the game. Cavs played some very good D. Kyrie DID pass and guys just missed open shots…
I think Luke actually came in a trade (anyone remember?), but Samardo was a walk on.
Gotta love Samardo for taking a charge on Carmello twice in the last couple minutes in a big upset against the Knicks. That was the high point of that season!
Where is Samardo now? (not grazing in Montana, I hope!)
Italian league through the summer of 2015.
BTW, Carmello is now a (not so high) high tech VC: http://www.siliconbeat.com/2015/01/29/carmelo-anthony-helps-fund-whistle-a-startup-to-track-your-dogs-activity/
BTW Minny fans should be throwing a parade for Cleveland and Love on Saturday. We gave them Wiggins. When LeBron left in 2010 we got Samardo Samuels and Luke Harangody.
@ESPNSteinLine: NBA trade rumble as deadline nears: Rival teams believe Mo Williams is available in ‘Sota if you can satisfy Wolves’ wishes on a draft pick
Bring back Mo Gotti!
While I’d love to see Mo back in Cleveland, I think we’ve given Minny enough resources for a while…
Maybe they’ve seen enough of Bennett that they’ll give us Bennett and Mo and call it even.
His 2016 season option is for $7.3M. No one is going to pay that.
It was just a joke that probably wasn’t clear (we take both players and their contracts and don’t give Minny anything).
Clearly, just saying it doesn’t get better for Minny.
Mo would be a perfect backup PG for this team. Great shooter, can play off ball, but can also create if needed. But a1st rounder is too high.
They should do us a solid and accept cash. We gave them Wiggins. They owe is for the next decade.
Good piece Robert. If Dion didn’t like the “buddy ball” in Cleveland, I’m not sure the “buddy ball” between Durant and Westbrook is going to work out much better for him in the long run. The most surprising thing for me about the trade was the destination for Saint Weirdo. OKC just seems like more of the same for him… i.e. playing with two ball dominant all-stars. It would have made a lot more sense for him to go to a young team like the Sixers, Orlando, Lakers etc. where he could try his hand at being a ball-dominant starting… Read more »
That is exactly what I liked about Dion.
Irving has been around long enough that he seems like a mid-career veteran. But he is only 22, on the way to his third all-star game, still getting better, and the Cavs have him locked up past his 28th birthday.
Thompson is playing better simply because Mike brown isn’t around trying to turn him into a shooter. He can’t shoot and probably never will be able to. Which is fine. He’s perfect in his role of getting rebounds and providing energy.
I loved waiters. He was terrible though and we got the better player in smith and maybe shumpert. Another great trade. Griffin has traded away waiters Bennett wifgins jack zeller and gotten back james love mozgov smith shumpert. That’s great dealing.
You never know… TT could develop a nice elbow jumper a few years down the line, sort of like how Andy had. But right now he should just continue to look to improve with defense, and rebounds. I’d like to see him master that hook at some point but it is less important right now.
I think his shot has potential. He’s only 23, and it’s not uncommon for big men to develop a reliable shot in mid or late career. The guy switched hands and shot just under 70% on free throws last season (granted he’s below that this season), so he has a decent touch and mechanics. He may only need reps.
Yeah, in the near term, improving his foul shooting will help the Cavs more than the occasional jump shot.
I admit, I was a huge proponent of keeping Waiters around because I really thought we could have a “Big 4” to best the recent championship runs of “Big 3s.” I really wanted Dion to turn into an all-star, and simply beat other teams with 4 all-star caliber players. One of these reasons was that I was afraid Kyrie’s abysmal defense would doom this team. I didn’t think the guy had it in him to ever be average on defense, because he hadn’t shown it in 3 years in this league. I was completely wrong about Kyrie. He has been… Read more »
The whole “buddy ball” locker room confrontation kind of surprised me last year. Then when the cavs acquired Loul Deng – the “inside the locker room” issues/comments that Deng would vaguely allude to also surprised me. The “We have a lot of talent on this team but we need to learn how to play team basketball” comments – just highlighted the fact that the Cavs had some serious team dischord going on. Now, after the Dion trade we get a bit more insight provided by Dion himself in some post trade interviews – “I didn’t get the ball in CLE”,… Read more »
Wow watching those highlights again. What were the Blazers thinking on that game winner by Kyrie?
Good question. KI kink of lulled them to sleep. The defender was obviously worried about a drive. A better D might have had the front man playing as close as possible, and the other four guys all cheating toward lane.
I was thinking the Cavs should have LeBron go in the game for the first time and post up, which presumably would cause the D to overreact, and then KI shooting a three. Can’t complain about how it worked out!
The way he was shooting it, I don’t know if it would have mattered. He also really caught them off guard with how early in the clock he took that three. They were probably thinking “there’s no way he doesn’t take it down to two or three seconds”
I thought the clock was at 27 seconds so it didn’t seem like he jacked it way early. Either way the defender was sleeping.
Not way early, but there was still 7 seconds left when he shot it (4 seconds on the 24 second clock).
1.) Last year TT was the 3rd leading scorer after KI and DW if you don’t count late additions Hawes and Deng. That’s not a job he should have. We said he’d be better with James and it’s true. I’m glad things turned out the way they did with him. 2 and 4) I think this cemented in Lebron’s head that Kyrie is for real. Those two are unstoppable when they are on and now I think they can trust one another. 3.) Never liked Waiters from the day he was drafted (mainly due to Grant’s stupidity in the process)… Read more »
TT is much better on perimeter D, which is nice, but other than that he’s the same guy. When he shares the floor with Love, Kyrie, and Lebron he’s smart enough not to hunt his own shot, but he still does it much to our detriment when playing with just one or 0 of those guys. Still can’t believe he wants to get $13 mil a year for being a great offensive rebounder, decent defender, and below average to terrible at everything else. 4. You do remember we beat OKC and others when Kyrie goes off in previous years, right?… Read more »