The Point Four-ward: Let’s Get It Started, Already!
2015-06-03Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers as they are about to tip-off their NBA Finals match-up against the Golden State Warriors…
1.) A lot of talk leading up to the Finals has been about each team’s likely inability to shut down the opposing team’s star player: LeBron James for the Cavaliers and Stephen Curry for the Warriors.
Just ask James how to stop Curry and he gives you the same answer as when you ask him how the Warriors might slow him down: “You can’t.”
The Finals will come down to more than just James vs. Curry, but it’s still tough predicting how these teams will attack each other — and how more or less likely one team is to shut down the other — come down to two things: 1.) the small sample size of head-to-head match-ups between these two teams and 2.) the fact that this is now the third (at least) iteration of the Cleveland Cavaliers that we’ve seen this season, so who knows what the Cavs will bring?
2.) The two regular season meetings by the Cavs and the Warriors this year really came down to a story of Home vs. Away.
When the two teams played in Oakland on January 10, the Cavs had just made their series of season-altering trades, but were still playing without James. Iman Shumpert was still injured (shoulder) and Timofey Mozgov came off the bench to play 27 minutes after just meeting his new teammates. Mozgov scored nine points and grabbed eight boards in his Cavaliers debut, but he also narrowly missed Matthew Dellavedova’s team-worst +/- of -20 (Mozgov had a -17). J.R. Smith, however, immediately ingratiated himself to Cavs fans by scoring a team-high 27 points (on 11-23 from the field).
Curry and Klay Thompson led the Warriors with 23 and 24 point, respectively. They both shot nearly 50% from the floor and added four free throws apiece.
James played in the second game, a nationally televised game in Cleveland on February 26, and went off for 42 points, 11 rebounds and five assists as part of his “You sure you don’t want to mention me in the MVP conversation?” tour (which also included a strong game against James Harden in Houston). He was helped by Kyrie Irving’s 24 points (6-18 from the field, 10-10 from the free throw line) and Kevin Love’s 16 points and 8 boards. Cleveland won that game 110-99.
Curry and Thompson shot a combined 10-30 from the field and Thompson didn’t attempt a free throw.
The scary thing about James’s dominating performance in that Cleveland game, though, is that it included him going 4-9 from three point range. Why is that so scary? James has only made 12 three pointers in 14 games in the playoffs so far and is shooting 17.6% from long distance.
3.) That’s just the thing: while the Warriors were basically the same Warriors on January 10 as they were on February 26 as they are now (Thompson is officially listed as “probable” following a concussion he suffered in Golden State’s series clinching victory against Houston, but is expected to play), the Cavs were a mess on January 10, they were in the middle of their second half roll on February 26 (but with a healthy Love and Irving… and before James’s jumper abandoned him) and now…? Now, the Cavs are the top defensive team of the playoffs, James is working more out of the post and the Cavs are getting huge contributions from one of the statistically weakest benches in the league during the regular season.
How big were Shumpert, Smith and Dellavedova in the Cavs victory in February? They were a combined 2-10 for six points. But how big have those three players (along with Tristan Thompson… and even James Jones) been during this playoff run?
Maybe the story of these NBA Finals will be simple: it’s the healthy Warriors against the banged-up overachieving (yes, even with James on their team this group is overachieving) Cavaliers. But, really, that should have been the story in the series against the Bulls… and then the series against the Hawks. So, no, you just never know.
This has all the makings of a fun series, though. Perhaps it won’t be the aesthetically pleasing series NBA fans expected when they wished for this Finals match-up when the playoffs began, but there’s still star power on either side. There’s still talent and heart… colorful personalities and entertaining subplots on either side. And, yes, Cavs fans, there are plenty of reasons to believe that this team can win its first ever NBA Championship.
4.) Some fun odds and ends from Las Vegas: as of Monday, Curry and James were the odds-leaders to win the NBA Finals MVP. Next up, though? How about Draymond Green at 10/1. That’s better than both Thompson and Irving, who both sit at 15/1.
But if you’re really looking to shock the world, look long and hard at Smith at 75/1 and… wait for it… Dellavedova at 500/1. With the way Dellavedova’s post-season has been going thus far, I’m half of a mind to take fate up on that offer.
For the series, the Warriors are favored with 5/11 odds to win the series. The Cavs, meanwhile, sit at 37/20.
Always enjoy these. Nicely done guy. Warriors obviously should be favored. They have home court and are healthier (at least on the surface). The Cavs can win the series if LeBron finds his jumper/accepts that he’s unstoppable in the paint and cuts out the jab step bs/Kyrie can give them at the very least a consistent 18 or so a night. There’s also so many guys playing for contracts in this series. Thompson and Green are going to get paid, but they could each solidify themselves as max players over the next two weeks. Thinking of what Shump will get,… Read more »
Even 50% of this would be huge…
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Isnt only me, but this Kyrie feels like ages ago since the Game 1 of Boston or when he had a nice Game 5 Vs Bulls. I miss this Irving, his injuries is all thats been talked about now.
That game Vs San Antonio and that game tying 3 was just magical omg.
Great stuff. Healthy Kyrie can go 1 on 5 and still get a layup.
Can anyone else not sleep? I really do feel like it’s Christmas Eve. How am I going to focus on anything at all tomorrow?
I can finally say, the game is TONIGHT. This week felt like forever, days where going sooo slow omg. I hope the game was worth the wait and Cavs come out blazing and steal game 1 and homecourt
@ArashMarkazi: Steph Curry mentions Jamal Crawford and Chris Paul when asked about the best ball handlers in the NBA.
I really feel bad for Kyrie….. He would’ve have been a nightmare for Curry.
I hope this 2 teams meet again next year at this same stage but with a fully healthy Cavs squad.
What if Kyrie is close to 100% and they are all trying to bamboozle everyone else!
That could be some great strategy for a game 1 steal. Warriors don’t plan for Irving and then Kyriediculous happens. Cavs in 6!
We all know Blatt loves his mind games and playing basketball like its a chess game. He lives for that, you can just tell.
I’m sorry to admit that I agree with Rose. I just don’t think the Cavs have enough scoring power to compete against the Warriors specially with Kyrie being at 60%. Unless LeBron can average like 35 ppg and Kyrie can get his knee up to 80% the Cavs will go down in 5 or 6 games maybe.
Or maybe Coach Blatt and the coaching staff can come up with a great defensive game plan. Maybe……..
I can’t wait for next year though.
Nobody should ever agree with Jalen… on anything.
Don’t be defeatist… there’s enough of that in the national media.
#Cavsin6
Hehe I’m trying to stay positive and I think they have a chance but they have to be incredibly focus on defense to pull this one off. Like I posted before if the Heat was able to beat the thunder back in 2012 with KD and Westbrook scoring at will but keeping the others in check I think the Cavs can use that same formula against the Dubs.
For real! Jalen is always wrong…even when he’s right. And we are far better at taking advantage of turnovers than the rockets…our transition three game is light years better. Plus, we create a lot of turnovers already and the warriors are prone to it and nothing got corrected in their conference finals series. I think we need to realize the Warriors route to the finals was actually against worse competition in terms of playoff style basketball. They will wilt under the pressure just like they did before tony Allen went down!
Yeah so this is not correct. The Cavs do not create a lot of turnovers. Cavs have a turnover percentage of 10.7 which is second to last in the entire playoffs. Their defense has been so good because they are holding opponents to a playoff low 45% efg.
And because superior defensive rebounding+low efg is functionally equivalent to turnovers.
This is still the best hype video if you can deal with Dion https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n6S1JoCSVNU
Jalen Rose picks the Dubs in 5.
Bogut is tired of hearing about Kyrie’s knee injury http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/06/andrew_bogut.html
DWade will Jalen Rose in NBA Countdown for the finals series.
What’s the deal with Irving not practicing and all the language around his recovery being slow. Are they trying trick the Warriors or is he really that bad?
Interesting 5-on-5… I’m liking that McMenamin has fully embraced the Cavs this year
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/13002821/cleveland-cavaliers-vs-golden-state-warriors
Well he’s fully embraced the CAVS in this series. But he did pick the Bulls to beat them, which is certainly fine.
True, but I’ve seen him give a much better perspective as an outside beat writer coming into a new town/team this past year than most others. He’s treated the Cavs more honestly and fairly than local guy Windy has IMHO…
I gotcha! I do think Windy has been pretty fair with the CAVS lately. At least he’s not Matt Moore, who is quoted saying the CAVS have no chance vs GS.
I equal parts loved and hated this article from Sharp on Grantland today… So I guess it did it’s job…
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-nba-finals-cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-underdog/
Lowe had a very good article the other day on Grantland. He picked the warriors and, as always, offered some excellent analysis. I think we are very properly the underdog in this series and a title would be an upset. Which doesn’t mean we don’t have a shot, but its going to be very tough to beat an excellent warriors team. They are not unbeatable, but they will eviscerate you if you make a mistake.
Eh. I don’t get all this hype about the Warriors. They have one GREAT player in Curry. One other All-Star in Thompson and some nice role guys.
The Cavs have one GREATGREATGREAT player in LeBron, one other All-Star in Irving and some nice role players. They have the same records since LeCation and are 1-1 in the regular season. This will be a very good series and I think LeBron pulls the Cavs to the top.
I’m so sick of the Warriors adulation.
I’m half with you Cols. I am scared of the Warriors. Curry is great and Klay is really good. They did win 67 games in a much better conference. For once I agree with Windbag (hear me out firts): He said these two teams have played so little and the Cavs are such a different team in the playoffs that I don’t know how to predict this series. I can think of a million different ways this series could go. However, that being said, give me LeBron James, a hope, and a dream and I say we take this series… Read more »
Yeah, always been the most difficult aspect for me with rooting for Cleveland teams my whole life. They have beaten the optimism out of me. Now I find it difficult to just be a fan who believes what I want to happen will happen when it doesn’t align with what my mind sees as evidence to the contrary. On the flip side, I have no doubt that now some of my pragmatism is in some ways a defense mechanism against dissapointment. Unfortunately, I think this has colored my perceptions of Cleveland teams’ chances, which results in me being unable to… Read more »
LOVE this quote: “The question isn’t whether LeBron’s great, but just how great he really is. How crazy can this get?”
LeBron got his golden shoes on…
evil that is your best one yet —” GOT TO GO SEE LYLE ” laughing my a– off !!!!—-that old man could pass as my double —ha ha —-me and my mower—LIVING THE DREAM BABY !!!
I don’t think home court was as much of a difference in the regular season meetings as much as one game had Lebron, and the other game did not.
If you have a few hours here are some Podcast’s to listen to re the NBA Finals:
Friedell & McMenamin – NBA Finals Game 1 | http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=12997393
I GO HARD NOW WEEKLY ALL-STAR BONANZA FEATURING THE I GO HARD NOW BALLERS – Episode 20 |http://www.igohardnow.com/2015/06/02…rs-episode-20/
@AkronJackson: New A to Z Podcast: NBA Finals preview, @DreKnott gives me career advice and the Mangini camp/bus story http://t.co/cuGx3nfQne
Had to post them separately so the monster didn’t eat it.
There are a number of interesting subplots of this series, but one I don’t believe has been mentioned (correct me if I missed it) is the “Herculoids”. These are the three former CAVs (Speights, Livingtson and Walton) who were the core of a very good bench group the CAVS had recently. They are now all with GSW (Walton is an assistant coach I believe). CtB used to rave about how much they were contributing to the CAVs. Kind of been quiet on that topic…or maybe I missed it.
Eh. All those guys have been replaced pretty easily. They are just guys that every team cycles through on their bench. CtB at the time massively overrated them and now they aren’t any reason why the GSW are in the Finals.
Iguadala and Barbosa are legitimate concerns coming off the bench.
We had one of the better benches with them at that time. Talking out of your ass again Cols?
Good point. A Herculoids update would be nice. Delly versus Livingston/Barbosa in the backup role is an interesting matchup. Speights has been hurt most of the playoffs after a monster regular season (19 PER), but will “most likely” play in the finals. If Barnes struggles, I definitely could see Speights (or Lee) come in against TT. Speights would definitely help space the floor from the four spot. Livingston is a utility knife luxury because he can play three positions, and is a respectable post-up/mid-range player. Neither of them have been huge keys for the Warriors in the post-season, hence the… Read more »
Ah yes. Brings back memories! Thanks Nate.
That GSW got these three guys (I wonder how that transpired, since they got a group that had played together a lot) provides more evidence that their organization makes good decisions. Also they wanted Blat, they got Iggy and David Lee to buy into being non-starters, etc. Not that the Herculoids are key to the finals, but just that it’s another smart decision by GSW. But the CAVs sure have been looking other-worldly in the playoffs! Who would have thought we would sweep Atlanta!
Let me answer my own question there…Cols would have!!!
I expect Blatt to try and play Delly when Curry is on the floor and Irving when Barbosa and Livingston are out there. Irving will start of course but letting Irving guard Barbosa or Livingston instead of Curry will be a nice change.
Ian Begley, Chris Broussard, Chris Forsberg, Dave McMenamin and Calvin Watkins are the only ESPN “experts” who are still on my Christmas list…
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/13000122/nba-finals-predictions
Watching sportscenter today i saw Reggie Miller actually pick the Cavs in 7. What a different tune he’s singing….
All work and no Cavs makes Cols a dull boy
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere’s DELLY!
If both teams were fully healthy, I think the Cavs would win in 5 or 6. The Cavs at the end of the regular season were underrated, as they had one of the better top 7 rotations in recent memory. With current rosters though, it’s going to be very tough for the Cavs to win this series. I think the Warriors are the clear favorites, mainly because of their quality depth. Guys like Livingston, Barbosa, David Lee, Igoudala…it’s going to be really annoying when these guys have 15 point games and are the difference-makers in the series. I’d love to… Read more »
HOPE THE SERIES LIVES UP TO ALL THE HYPE
Great hype video for both teams for the Finals…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc1-ikTO1PA
NOMAD’S I” illogical random thoughts from the riding mower ” ( get my best ideas from there) —the LONG wait for the playoffs is similar to the ” waiting for Christmas ” —for kids it seems like an eternity —for parents it came way too fast / i’m not ready—what is it for the cavs –too long of a wait/ or i’m not ready or enough already bring on the presents —and when we OPEN THAT PRESENT IS IT GOING TO BE THE LONG AWAITED PRESENT THAT WE HAVE DREAMED OF ( A CHAMPIONSHIP ) OR ARE WE GOING TO… Read more »
Your riding mower thoughts reminded me of this gem of a movie…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yUwF3vskF8
I did actually have the beginnings of a “Twas the night before Christmas” poem put together for the Cavs/Heat Christmas Day game… Just ran out of time to post it.
Also, Cavs in six, although the Warriors scare the Bejesus out of me.
Warriors are not scary. The hype surrounding them is what’s scary.
Taking and making 30-feet 3s off the dribble is scary in my book.
Also, their defense is legit.
I was thinking something the other day that I wanted to share.
Losing games intentionally always comes back to bite you.
Remember when we “rested” key players in the two games against Boston so that we sweep them in the first round?
And sweep them we did. But it cost us KLove.
Just saying that tanking is never the way to go.
What does the respected practice of resting players going into a playoff run have to do with Olynyk maiming Love?
Nothing at all.
I think its fair to say that we chose Boston over potentially Miami or Brooklyn by resting Lebron and Co in the games against the Celtics..
And Im sure I am not alone in thinking we wanted to play Boston in the first round, not that it would have meant much either way if we had to play some other crappy 7 seed. Also, I am not saying it is a direct consequense of our choosing Boston, I am just saying it came back to bite us.
Also, Olynyk made a very dirty play.
Nope. It’s not fair to say that. Whoever the Cavs played in round one was getting swept. It didn’t matter to them who they played they just wanted some rest at the end of the season.
You can blame me, Greek.
It was I who wanted the Cavs to play Boston in the first round, so that I could go to the game. Sure enough, by resting the starters and losing to the C’s, they worked it just right. And I did go to game 3, which was terrific. But then in game 4 we paid a terrible price.
I’m with you, in Cleveland, everything must be earned.
They didn’t rest to play Boston though. They rested to rest. They would’ve swept anyone they played.
“I’m with you, in Cleveland, everything must be earned.”
Very true
It will only be so much sweeter though.
Its been like a month since we last played.
Start the Finals already!!
I’m pretty worried about Delly in this series, and if he plays well that will be a testament both to him and to Blatt and the staff. Hopefully Kyrie can get plenty of minutes and Delly will mostly be out there trying to hold his own against Livingston and Barbosa. Count on Delly busting up a break with a foul on Curry or Thompson.
500-1 odds for MVP are not good. That would be up there for most improbable sports stories of all time.
If we had Kevin Love we’d probably sweep them.
Honestly, we still could sweep them. It’s unlikely but not super far fetched
I feel like Cavs fans are taking crazy pills if they think a sweep of Golden State is even possible. Most of the national media is picking Golden State to win and it has nothing to do with slighting the Cavs; Golden State is really, really good. Historically good even. They had a point differential of +10.1 in the regular season. For context, that puts them in the top ten ever in the NBA. Here is a list of the top teams ever by point differential: TEAM RECORD DIFFERENTIAL RESULT 1971-72 Lakers 69-13 +12.28 Champion 1970-71 Bucks 66-16 +12.26 Champion… Read more »
We swept the Hawks with Irving barely able to walk…I’d argue it’s definitely possible (but improbable) we sweep them. The national media has a pretty dismissive tone towards the Cavs- even Lowe talks like they just figured how to play defense. Look how much focus was put on Delly instead of we rightly thrashed our opponents
One good point in the article is that the Cavs have faced this same GSW team 2x while the Warriors have never faced this Cavs configuration. I think Love’s contribution comes out of Smith and TT.
I kinda want to put $10 on Delly for MVP just so I could brag about it. The signaling benefit of being able to show “I put 10 dollars on Delly winning Finals” would be worth it.
No. It would be a complete waste of $10. You can buy 3 $2 beers with a $1 tip on each and still have money left over. Don’t waste it.
Speaking of money?! WHERE”S MY $50?!!!
Mr. Gumdrop, if you don’t want to pay, that’s fine. But don’t disappear for the best Finals Ever.
What’s the backstory here? I keep seeing references to this $50 wager, but I missed it when it happened.
Here’s the thread where it all started…
https://cavstheblog.com//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////?p=32906&cpage=1#comment-80731
Thanks! Where is Ross Gumdrop? He owes Cols some money.
This is absolutely great. And he has very much been missing in action.
Prior to the comment below
Cols, I’m good for your money. I’m a man of my word. Just been busy with a new job this past month. Not commenting as much, but still reading. Amused by your screams for the money. Haha.
Delly at 500 to 1 is wasted money because there odds that Delly’s box score stats come anywhere close to outpacing LeBron is nil. (he’d have to get hurt, and the Cavs would still need to win).
Delly could be the most important, even the most valuable player in the series. It’s unlikely, but 500 to 1 might be about right.
But the people that decide that stuff would never give it to Delly. Even if he DID somehow have more prolific box score production, LeBron would get MVP for his leadership.
Great article, Robert.
Why won’t it be aesthetically pleasing? You have the two best players in the game going at it in the Finals. Both teams are clearly the best in their conferences. Of course it’s going to be a great series.
Cavs in six
Curry>Kyrie
JR Smith = Thompson
Thompson = Green
Moz = Bogut
But….
LeBron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whoever the heck the Warriors have.
Also, Blatt > Kerr ;) And Delly will be rolling some ankles.
JR Smith = Klay Thompson
TT = Green
those are two incredibly bold statements there with pretty much no basis in reality. With the one caveat that Tristan may be considered just as important to our team as Draymond, but in a vacuum isn’t as good of a player.
We aren’t as talented player to player as the Warriors, we’ll have to win this series with our team defense, hustle, rebounding, and Lebron James being LeBron james.
Nah. Draymond Green is wildly overrated. And the playoff version of JR Smtih has been every bit as good as Klay
I’m pretty sure I’ve read:
“Curry>Kyrie
JR Smith = Thompson
Thompson = Green
Moz = Bogut
But….
LeBron>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>whoever the heck the Warriors have”
At LEAST seventeen times since the beginning of the Hawks series.
Good NBA Finals read and Prediction
http://0to100sports.com/2015/06/04/2015-nba-finals-preview-and-prediction/
This will be a little lenghty. I write this with the hope you will listen and win. I RawWar first want to say congratulations to all the Cavalier players, staff, support on all levels and fans for being apart of this amazing journey and possibility of making history. So with that been said everything I’m about to write is for the win, history and cities and organizations chance to enjoy and long over do celebration. A heart felt one. Cavaliers put you helmets on. All of you including the bench. As fans we can’t make decisions for you win the… Read more »