The Point Four-ward: Can He Build It?
2015-06-18Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers following their NBA Finals loss to the Golden State Warriors in six games…
1.) As a sports fan, I always dread the morning after a loss. The loss, when it is happening and immediately after, is usually a familiar cloud of disappointment and pizza and nostalgia and beer. Therefore, any real pulse-checking on how truly bad a particular loss is going to feel long term often has to wait until the page has turned and I’m faced with a bright new day.
Waking up on (an unfortunately bright) Wednesday, though, my feeling was the feeling of most Cavs fans — if Twitter is to be believed, anyway (and why should it not?): I just don’t feel too bad after this loss.
This Cavs team has been so much fun to watch — well, since the end of January, anyway — and, really, the Warriors were just too good and too deep to expect a team smarting from missing two of their top three scorers to pull off the seemingly impossible. Sometimes, after all, the seemingly impossible seems impossible because it’s pretty damn near impossible. But, man, how the Cavs fought to make us believe otherwise — that it was possible…. that it was going to happen this year… that it was the Cavs turn at destiny.
2.) These Cavs were built to complement their three main scorers, so it wasn’t exactly a shock when they struggled to score, especially against the regular season’s top-ranked defensive team. Even still, they had a shot to pull out wins in Games 5 and 6 against a Warriors team whose long distance shooting seemed to break the Cavs back in more places than Bane broke Batman’s.
Don’t get me wrong, I wanted to see the Cavs win and even thought, at times, that it could happen. But when it didn’t, I just didn’t have it in me to blame the team. This was a long, exhausting season for not only every single Cavs player, but every single Cavs fan. Spending too much time not appreciating the grit and determination to win the Cavs displayed over the course of these playoffs — focusing too much on what players, who were never expected to do what they were suddenly being asked to, couldn’t do — seems like a slight to the effort given by a team that played how any basketball fan would love to see his/her team play — excepting a few more timely shots, sure.
What a great season by your 2014-15 Cleveland Cavaliers. Now, let’s see what the future will bring…
3.) One of the biggest differences between the Cavs and the Warriors, of course, was the quality depth Golden State had to draw from on their bench.
Yes, the Cavs lack of depth was further exposed by the injuries to Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving that forced key reserves Tristan Thompson and Matthew Dellavedova into starting roles, but even with Irving and Love the Cavs bench players were often a big question mark. The Warriors, however, got a Final MVP performance out of top sub Andre Iguodala and were able to go completely away from regular season starter Andrew Bogut in favor of Festus Ezeli. Sitting all the way at the end of their bench was former Cavalier Marreese Speights and even he came up big for the Warriors the Cavs in overtime of Game 1 (before, in blowing a wide-open breakaway dunk at the end of Game 2, he came up big for the Cavs, as well).
The Cavs bench, meanwhile, featured two seven-footers (Kendrick Perkins and Brendan Haywood), a rookie second-rounder (Joe Harris) and a soon-to-be-retiring veteran (Shawn Marion), none of whom had the trust of head coach David Blatt. Add in the few token minutes Blatt would give Mike Miller and you’re looking at a bench that never stood a chance once Warriors coach Steve Kerr went small and turned the Finals into a sprint.
If you’re looking and your glass is half-empty, you’d immediately decry “GM LeBron bringing in his washed up former teammates” and you wouldn’t be entirely wrong. Miller gave the Cavs none of what they expected when they brought the sharpshooter aboard. James Jones, on the other hand, gave the Cavs a good deal more than do most guys playing on a veteran minimum deal.
Building these Warriors was (and will continue to be) aided greatly by the deal of the century, Stephen Curry’s contract that paid him just $10.6 million this year and goes until 2017, and locking up Klay Thompson to a long-term deal before the salary cap explodes next summer, while the Cavs look to be paying James and Love in excess of $20 million next season. Add to that, the fact that Irving’s max-level extension kicks in next season (at over $15 million), while Thompson, J.R. Smith, Shumpert and Dellavedova will all be looking for raises — and Thompson’s, in particular, will be a significant raise — and the Cavs have some very real flexibility issues going forward.
4.) If, on the other hand, you’re still happy to see that your glass is half-full, you’ll take note of something else: the Warriors bench has been built over the course of several seasons, while this Cavs team has been a running work-in-progress for much of the last ten months. So far, Cavs GM David Griffin has made more good moves than bad ones… so, let’s see what he — along with GM LeBron, of course — has in mind.
It will be particularly interesting to see what kind of deals all of the Cavs variety of free agents receive. After each having moments where it looked like they were playing their way to huge paydays, Smith, Shumpert and Dellavedova each fell back to being, essentially, the role players we all thought they were. Thompson has earned the big deal coming his way and seeing him blossom in the playoffs this year was a real treat for Cavs fans. But, if you’re the Cavs, how much do you pay Dellavedova, a solid backup point guard and part-time cult hero, Smith, an shooter capable of swinging games… only if he’s the fourth or fifth best player on your team, or Shumpert, a true lock-down defender whose offense is an absolute mess?
Or the better question: how much do you pay them if you’re another NBA team?
One danger for the Cavs is overpaying for players simply based on the good feelings of this playoff run. Another is letting quality NBA rotation players who fit into their system walk and not having the salary cap room to make the deals to compensate for that loss… or, more importantly, to improve upon it.
The Cavs aren’t flush with options, but they also can’t go through another season with half a bench worth of dead weight.
Amazing that there are more Lebron and Cavs stories in defeat than there are in Steph Curry and Warriors in victory in the finals. Many media honestly declared that it’s Lebron that drives up the rating but none will ever honestly admit that demonizing Lebron sells the highest. Heck the supposedly Mother Theresa of NBA, Jerry West once snapped , “Shut the fuck up,” at his former coach Joe Mullaney while dibbling near the sideline. Lebron would have been manacled and beaten to death if he pulled off the same thing.
Agree. It’s always like that. Even last year when Spurs won, they still talked about Lebron instead. Where did Heat go wrong ect. ect. As a Cavs fan, I actually looked forward to media being forced to give the Lebron stories a rest and televise the Warrior parade. Don’t worry I didn’t watch. LoL
I think it’s kind of funny all the talk about “changes” that could be coming to the Cavs (i.e. coaching change). Didn’t a similar situation happen in Miami with LeBron, and when he was on a “more talented team” in the finals? That team lost in the finals, but I don’t recall any crazy injuries or anything. I do remember SOME talk about Spoelstra not being fit, but I don’t think it was with the quickness and scope of the Blatt Criticism. I wish there was someone other than Terry Pluto and Cavs front office guys that have given him… Read more »
I don’t recall many players in the NBA in general saying they love the coach and don’t want to play for anyone else. It may be happening and I may have missed it, but I don’t recall hearing it very often – if ever.
Did you guys see this?
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25218664/report-lebron-and-blatt-dont-have-the-best-working-relationship
The Nat’l media is REALLY hanging onto this story. Even after the presser… or maybe it was before… what time was the press conference? Either way, wouldn’t it be nice to see a POSITIVE article from the national media after the incredible season we just had? Guess I’ll just have to wait for the next C:tB post.
Now Harper taking a crack at it. It’s a high intensity Game Elimination game in the NBA Finals. Enough said. Adrenaline at an all time high, there will be yelling, swearing and the “vociferously head shaking” (that is just hilarious) .This is NORMAL. Have not any of these writers played sports to the upmost competive level ever to understand this?? YOU DON”T TAKE IT PERSONAL!! The last thing on either one have on their minds is getting butt hurt in the moment of the Biggest Game in the NBA FINALS. Lebron has said it before. You don’t think Brady and… Read more »
As far as I’m concerned, I liked everything that came out of their mouths during that presser. Said all the things I wanted to hear. Looking forward to Thursday.
Gibert and Griffin should have a sit with James and tell him to deal with it, Blatt is our coach or you can go somewhere else. Have some respect to your coach and to the organization. hahaha
If I’m Griffin or Gilbert, and LeBron wants Blatt out of there… he’s out of there. There are plenty of good coaches we can get, but only one LeBron. Still, I think the problems between LeBron and Blatt have been greatly exaggerated.
Just watched the end of season press conference with GM and Coach and one thing stuck out regarding their comments: There was a question posed about bench depth and the age of the bench players to David Griffin. His response to it suggested that both he and Coach Blatt discussed getting the bench more minutes during November and December so that they’re ready for May and June. The reason why I found that comment interesting is that Griffin’s comment seemed to imply that he was a fan of the Spurs’ strategy for regularly resting starters and making use of the… Read more »
I’d be shocked if we don’t see a more relaxed start to the season. I think Blatt went into panic mode (rightly) when the team started so poorly. They’ll have better chemistry now. We’ll see deep rotations with only the biggest games having an 8 man rotation. After the turn in the year it might start to form into 9-10 man rotations. I think the Cavs are walking away with the East so hopefully Blatt can flex playing time with need for the best record.
Another thought . . .
Did Lebron and Spoelstra ever really get along? I mean, did LBJ every come out and say, “I really dig my coach. He’s the best coach in the NBA and I never want to play for anybody else?” No. But he played for him for 4 years and they won two championships together. I don’t get a sense that Lebron will ever say that about anyone who coaches him . . . except for Blatt . . . AFTER they win a championship.
We’ve heard wild speculation from the media on a daily basis about the Cavs for a year. How much of it has come true? How about none of them. Zero. Zilch. But you all are sports junkies (literally) and need to talk about something, so go right ahead. This is what’s going to happen: 1) Everybody that doesn’t retire will be coming back. Includes Blatt & Griffin. And Love. And Varejao. 2) We’re going to draft a point guard who can handle the ball and create for others . . . or pick up a guy with some special quality… Read more »
Ok, I need someone to enlighten me. I love the Cavs, have followed them religiously for years, but I am no basket ball expert in ANY way shape or form. But I have a nagging question. Why do we have bench players if we refuse to use them? If a coach has lost faith in them, should management try to replace them? I understand that Heyward is THE CONTRACT, but why keep Perkins, Marion, or even Harris if they aren’t trusted in anything but cleanup time? Is here more to the story that I am missing? Especially with us down… Read more »
I will take a crack at this. In general, the bench guys are there to practice, and create a good atmosphere in the locker room and the bench. Perkins is available as an enforcer and can help work with the centers on their post game. Miller keeps people loose and offers advice and encouragement. The bench they had was remarkably supportive of the starters, and made for an amazingly unified team. I’m sure they expected Miller and Marion to contribute more, but once they’re on board there’s not much you can do. They rolled the dice, and James Jones turned… Read more »
Great post, Robert. David Blatt will have an easy “want to move back to my family” excuse if he needs to get out of town. I think its grossly unfair, though, to push him out (if indeed anyone is really thinking that.) Guy deserves a real chance with the current roster to craft a system for them. Coaching LeBron is an absolutely daunting task. To me, its more important how he relates to the other players, and how much progress they make under his direction. TT is like a different player this year. Is that really all LeBron? Delly and… Read more »
Great post Charlie E. There’s a lot more to coaching than a game adjustment. For the first time in a long time I saw Cleveland players get better over time. I saw dysfunctional players turn into difference makers. I saw players that loved each other (Kyrie saying for the first time in his career: “I’ll go to war with these guys any time.”) and pulled for each other. I saw guys that didn’t complain about minutes – although they sat for long, long stretches. I saw the best defense ever in Cleveland – particularly perimeter defense. Mozgov and Delly –… Read more »
Preach it U-Dog!
This was a wonderful team. Next year we can build on it and take the next step.
I saw something about Griff looking for players 26-30, which sounds right to me. The old guard was here to create a culture of winning. I think we have that now. Time to get a bit younger and get some players with good situational skills.
Summer league will likely be pretty dull this year (come back Andrew!) but I’m psyched to see Joe Harris get some good run.
The narrative Lebron’s the Devil himself sells very very well so media, and not just ESPN have to churn out one negative article after another. Is Lebron a coach killer? Hmmmm, he has yet to get a coach fired in his 12 years in the NBA. Eric Spoeltra is still in Miami and not having much success with Lebron gone. Lebron had endured Mike Brown’s ineptness for 5 years when Kobe could only endure Brown for practically just a season (one shortened season and just 5 games the next season). Mike Brown returned to the Cavs that had Kyrie, Thompson,… Read more »
Bruce Drennan with a Shaqtin’-a-fool moment before the presser:
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/6/18/8809235/cleveland-tv-host-says-david-blatt-will-resign-in-press-conference
I like Bruce, but he can be an idiot. But pretty much everyone in the Sports talk industry is an idiot, or worse. Some who didn’t used to be a$$holes have become one. Management must require it.
As I recall, Bruce went to prison for being a bookie, and when he got out, he named his show “All bets are off”. Gotta like that!
He’s had some really good rants. Go to YouTube and you’ll find some classic meltdowns. Drennan and Rizzo is why they invented blood pressure medication.
Windhorst is annoying and all, but I think he is dead right about one thing: Lebron will get what he wants in the most passive aggressive way possible. If he wants Blatt out, his ‘people’ will make it known to the Cavs that Blatt needs to go. If he wants JR Smith back, same thing. And he’s worth all the crap right now. In three or four years, maybe he’s not worth it.
So I won’t be surprised at much this offseason, whatever happens.
Nah. Owner and GM are behind Blatt. Bron can’t play the “I’m walking” card. His brand would take an enormous hit, and here’s the deal: the Cavs are his best shot to reach the finals and get paid a lot of money, unless he completely sells out and goes to play for the Spurs or something. Even then, he’s taking less money.LeBron’s not going anywhere, and he can’t dictate everything. He’s not very good at dictating everything, anyway.
Hope you’re right, Nate.
I find it interesting that this article comes out right before the press conference.
The Cavs will make the Finals next year with or without Blatt. I’m having a hard time caring about what happens to him. Stay or go, Cavs will be just fine.
Well it sounds like he plans to stay and he’s got the support of the front office. LeBron to the Knicks I guess?
Trust me. LeBron is more important to this organization than Blatt. If it came down to a choice they’d choose LeBron every single time, and that’s the correct choice.
I do not expect Blatt to be fired.
LeBron will never request the front office fire a coach.
The Cavs need to do more than merely MAKE the finals next year!
Get rid of Griff while we’re at it. The Cavs will be just fine. Right Cols? Who’s your daddy, Cols?
I’m not sure what you are talking about.
I know whose Curry’s daddy is…. DELLAVADOVA, DELLAVADOVA!!!
Classic Windhorst move.
I honestly think the Cavs bench will go from sub-par this season to one of the best in the league next season. If you bring JR back, TT, and a healthy Andy, you’re already pretty solid. Probably need to add another PG to push Delly for the backup spot, either through the mini-mid-level or the Haywood contract. All that, plus the potential of a Justin Anderson or Montrez Harrel in the draft, and the bench is a MAJOR plus!!!
LeBron James, coach killer!!!!!!!!
Huddled with Lue == hates blatt and disrespected him.
To be fair to Stein, he was actually there in the building, which matters. He can make inferences that we simply can’t make from watching on TV. The dynamic between them seems, er, unusual to me, even through the TV filter. James is very reluctant to give Blatt a full-throated vote of confidence. Blatt seems to be trying too hard to have a good rapport with LeBron.
One other point about it — I’ve read that Lue has almost complete control over the defense. Their defense is what was remarkable in this run. The offense was “Give it to LeBron.” It’s hard to know how much credit Blatt deserves for the way they played. I like his style in the huddles, from what I’ve seen. He seems like a good guy who, like Pop, knows about things other than basketball. I just can’t tell if he’s an actual basketball genius as he has been advertised.
Not sure what to make of the Stein article but it seems much more reasonable and fact-based then anything Windhorst has written recently. And if it all true he’s right for calling out LeBron
Windhorst sets the pole pretty low.
To be fair, our offense looked pretty damn good in the second half of the season. The system was in trouble after Kevin Love got injured, then after we lost Kyrie “give it to LeBron” was pretty much the only option.
This LeBron/Blatt stuff from Stein is disturbing. Apparently Gilbert/Griff have Blatts back. Would LeBron leave if Blatt is still here?
ESPN is insane right now. Just downright bad reporting going on. All reads on the way he was perceived acting not things he said.
I’ll further add that the circumstances with the Cavs team in this playoff run call for extreme behavior. They basically had 8 guys and a few of those were banged up by the end of the Finals. I wasn’t offended by Lebron making some calls during games (TOs, plays, etc). He basically had to play all game every game. Anyways I only watched on TV but it didn’t seem like Lebron was outlandish. If anyone here has insider info I’d love to hear more.
Stein was comparing and contrasting the behavior of two stars to their respective coaches — James to Blatt, Duncan to Pop. The notion that Duncan would call TOs or cancel Pop’s plays in a disrespectful manner is absurd. Of course Duncan is the most gentlemanly athletic star I can think of, outside of maybe Roger Federer.
Not a valid comparison. Duncan and Pop have been together, for what, a decade? And they’ve won championships together. Lebron & Blatt have been together less than a year.
I couldn’t believe Stein based this on “vociferously head shaking” from Lebron and that Lebron called time outs. WHAT?? So did he shake his head like my dog does when wet or was it a silly side to side move with eyes rolling,or Dragon Ball -Z style? And Of Course a tired Lebron called time outs on a 7 man team. These are the smoking gun evidence that Lebron disrespected Blatt? Is there not an editor that pauses at this kind of garbage before hitting the send button? This is as high level stress as it gets and yeah Lebron… Read more »
I think Stein has a good point. LeBron tends to be passive/aggressive in these type of situations. He should name his coach – Lue, Van Gundy or even Blatt and live with the result. On another point, I am becoming less convinced that Love will stay if Blatt stays. Blatt never figured out how to use him properly and now that TT is such a force, Mozgov adds so much and Andy is coming back, where does that leave Love with the minutes he wants. I actually like Love a lot, but I think they can survive without him. They… Read more »
Let’s all be clear here: there is ZERO reporting in the Stein piece. It is pure speculation based on his own personal reading of body language. There are no sources, no incidents reported, nothing.
Blatt may welll leave, but Stein’s piece has no new information. Standard ESPN.
All that matters is we have LeBron. The coach, as long as he isn’t as horrible as Mike Brown doesn’t matter much. Cavs will be in the Finals no matter who coaches them.
Been thinking about using the mini Mid-Level to go after Paul Pierce. His options appear to be L.A. Clippers or go back to Washington. He’d be a perfect backup for LeBron and a perfect complement.
Perhaps, but Pierce would give a weird feel to the team–my totally non-scientific, truthiness take.
I agree, but I think he doesn’t like Cleveland.
And he HATES LeBron… You don’t spit on a guy if you don’t have a deep seated hatred for him…
So did Perkins until he came to the Cavs.
Robert, this might have been my favorite paragraph of the year. Don’t get me wrong, I wanted to see the Cavs win and even thought, at times, that it could happen. But when it didn’t, I just didn’t have it in me to blame the team. This was a long, exhausting season for not only every single Cavs player, but every single Cavs fan. Spending too much time not appreciating the grit and determination to win the Cavs displayed over the course of these playoffs — focusing too much on what players, who were never expected to do what they… Read more »
Thanks, Nate. Appreciate it.
no doubt about it. i read it to my boys. they only thing they really understood thinking it could happen. they are not seasoned in sadness because their memories of the previous teams were limited to kyrie highlights and repeating the phrases around players (like 3g service and miles from downtown). as an adult, the appreciating the grit hits closest for me. this paragraph is a capstone statement for their season. i hope jason lloyd would read it because then it might get a plug for one of his final thoughts columns.
First: hats off to the entire Cavs team; it was an incredible pleasure to watch them grow together as a team, and make a run to Game 6 of the Finals. And, it ain’t bragging if its true; tell’em, LeBron. Now, my fear for the summer is to have a re-run of LeBron’s First Term (is LBJ the Grover Cleveland of Cleve basketball? Two terms, non-consecutive). Remember how each summer the Cavs organization was panicked by the thought of “If we don’t make a short-term fix, he’ll leave”? Didn’t help that LBJ signed deals for shorter terms than the max,… Read more »
Different situation. It was the Cavs’ lack of talent that doomed them before. This year it was just injuries and lack of depth. The way the Cavs are positioned over the apron, there are not a lot of moves they can make outside of the Haywood deal. Yes, they can trade Kevin Love, but that’s about it. Why would you want to, though?
Nate is really right on this one. DO some of remember the grasping at straws from Ferry to get a worthwhile player here for Lebron? It was always old washed up guys. That’s how my younger mind at that time recalled it anyways. We went crazy over the end of his career Shaq. I have to shut my eyes on how that went.
Antawn Jamison……… ughhhhhh
Except, they can’t really trade Kevin Love…
Plus most of the team is young
Irving, Shump, Love, TT are all young
Moz, LeBron, Smith are about 30. That’s not old either.
They are right now built to contend for quite a few years.
With the team as far over the cap as it will be for the foreseeable future, the Cavs really need to draft well. You can sit a rookie at the end of the bench and not play him for a year or so IF you are able to eventually get a return on that. I’ll be interested to see Joe Harris play in summer league. How much has he learned being a part of this team and will his young legs be able to give the team anything good next year. Is he going to be a factor — even… Read more »
AMEN
In order to draft well, you need draft picks. There are other ways to round out a roster.
I bristle at all of the “Cavs need more depth” talk. I’ll be repeating this line all through the summer: if it was Klay Thompson and Draymond Green laid up instead of Kyrie & KLove, the media would be saying it’s the Warriors bench that looked thin, not the Cavs. Iggy shined because he was able to as a very talented 6th man- the same way TT shined in that role during the regular season. Iggy wouldn’t have looked nearly as good as the #2 option guarded by Shump as he did as the #4 option guarded by Mozzy &… Read more »
Yes.
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Cols and I agree. Someone note the date and time for posterity’s sake.
are you comfortable with this?? :)
I agree completely that we’re good, if healthy, a qualifier that applies to every other team in the NBA. We’re going to overpay for these guys to return because we have to. The only cap on what we pay them is what they think they can get another team to pay. But we can’t replace them with minimum contracts. Moz, TT, Love and maybe 10 minutes from Varejao LBJ Irving, Shump, J.R. (probably), Delly, Harris (hopefully enough improved for a couple minutes a night) JFJ for another year? Probably. Mike Miller because we have to? Probably. That’s 12 guys. We… Read more »
I didn’t expect the Cavs to take it to 6 with Love and Kyrie out. The playoffs signaled to me that the Cavs will easily be back in the finals next year. Also, it doesn’t matter what happens with Love. In the 1% chance he leaves, I don’t think it changes the odds of the Cavs making it back to the finals.
Part of me wants to do away with Love altogether and get another all-star and couple of role players
Except you can’t trade him for anything. There’s no scenario where the Cavs can get anything for Love by trading him if he opts out. Maybe if he opts in, yes, but if he opts out, they’re screwed.
I like Love and hope he stays, but he is not a highly physical and athletic PF. If we have to (want to?) look at other options, Lamarcus Aldridge has lots to offer. He shoots well outside the arc (like Love), but is a more athletic and physical. In May it was rumored he would be interested in playing for the Cavs.
Next year the team will look about the same. And why shouldn’t it? They were 33-3 in their last 36 games and took the Warriors to six despite missing 2 All-Stars.
Lebron, Love, Irving, TT, Moz, Shump, Smith, James Jones, Delly, NORRIS COLE
Maybe they lose on of Delly, Smith, Shump. But beyond that it’s going to look the same. And that’s an incredibly good thing.
I think they hang onto Shump. Dellly will be here for the right price nothing more. He has to improve on offense. Work on a damn mid-ranger, figure out to draw more fouls,
Delly played well for what he was supposed to be for the Cavs. He did draw fouls and grabbed key rebounds throughout the playoffs. It’s hard to teach what he does. If fell apart after game 3 in the Finals but he was key to the two wins. No one outside of Lebron, TT, and Moz did anything to help the Cavs after that point either. The Cavs will find a way to make it work. And if he’s “expensive” it will be in the range of $1M more than the Cavs want to pay. That compared to the insane… Read more »
Delly is a great role player, he just is not up to being the #2 option in the Finals. Delly shut down Curry better than anyone all year, notice how hot the Dubs get when this comes up. Ideally, next year the Cavs can try to have KI match as much as possible with the other teams backup PG, and give Delly a lot of time against the #1 PG. That would optimize his impact, and KI could light up the room against the other teams #2.
Agree. Keep the team together.
Also, people need to realize we CAN’T sign any free agents. We are going to be in Apron, which means we will only have the exceptions. The best way to fill the roster is to re-up the existing guys.
Might be wrong but I think Haywood would allow for some kind of exception.
We can deal Haywood for other pieces. But he won’t help us with free agents.
Yep. Those guys will all be back.
PER STEPHEN A “S SO CALLED REPORTING ON BLATT’S / LEBRON’S RELATIONSHIP–MAYBE VAN GUNDY IS SETTING HIMSELF UP TO BE THE NEXT CAVS COACH—MIGHT AS WELL ” RUN WITH THAT RUMOR ” ALSO —YEAH THE NAT’L MEDIA JUST WON’T ALLOW THE CAVS TO REST —–IS WHAT HAVING LEBRON BRINGS TO YOUR TEAM / ORGANIZATION ALSO
Van Gundy had a really great piece on Lebron and outlined his argument why Lebron is MVP in this series. He’s absolutely right. This is why it is puzzling to many of us that Jason Lloyd our own local reporter did not share these same views as this former NBA coach and present analyst. He was right there watching Lebron’s every move front and canter. Yeah yeah totally get that , it didn’t matter , he didn’t want it anyways, yada , yada argument. But anyways here is the link http://finance.yahoo.com/news/espns-jeff-van-gundy-puts-155820432.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw
While I like and respect Jason Lloyd as a reporter, he undoubtedly cost himself some access with his Finals MVP vote. I don’t remember that ballot being made public in years’ past.
You’re probably right. Van Gundy drives me crazy to listen to him during games but at the same time he did surprise me at much respect he did give the Cavs during this series. WE all know what a harsh critic he is. Did some of you pick up on his man crush he had on Timofey? LoL He made it known he didn’t think Mosgov got a fair shake on calls Green got away with. Jackson teased him about it saying you really like your BIGS. He quipped back, yes because I’m afraid we won’t see them much in… Read more »
I’ve never seen it made public as well. Interesting though, Iggy had 7 votes, Lebron had 4 votes and the reigning regular season mvp and 0.
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/611029239371071488/photo/1
Steph didn’t have to defend anyone was one of the arguments why. Van Gundy listed his reasons.
I doubt that about the access. LeBron didn’t want the award. I’m quite sure Lloyd took that into account.
You never know with LBJ and grudges. Of course he said he didn’t want the award, but I’ll bet deep down he would have relished getting it, especially with his sourness over Steph winning the regular season MVP. Maybe Lloyd felt like it would look like local bias, but it’s not like he would have been alone in voting for LBJ.
Saw Stephen A last night claiming that “his sources” told him LBJ thinks Blatt is clueless. Says Blatt will be fired. I forgot how annoying the offseason is when the national media is focused on you. Oh well.
You’ll like this write-up from Terry Pluto from Plain Dealer on Blatt. Good Stuff. http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/06/cleveland_cavaliers_scribbles_22.html
excellent objective and reflective post robert. best part was the curry cap figure. that is an impressive feat that will give the W’s all they need until he gets his next contract. wathc them blow it on a green max deal. the warrior model will be the new spurs for all the copycats. interchangeable players with hybrid roles. LBJ was the real hybrid but can we expect 3+ year of elite lebron considering aging? unless he pulls a tim duncan and limits wear and tear i think the window is through 2018 at the most. just be prepared for any… Read more »
Basketball will always come down to luck more than so many other factors. We needed a handful of 1st overall picks and another ‘decision’ to be in the hunt for a championship. The Spurs, Heat, and Thunder all convinced players to take less money to play for championships. The Warriors bought low on Bogut (who looked one armed for a long time after a bad fall), Curry magically became the model for good health, Green fell in the draft (and they picked Ezeli a few spots in front of him, so they can’t claim they “knew” he’d be great), Iguodala… Read more »
I think the glass is half full and Vegas agrees. Cavs are favored to win next season. I don’t think owner Gilbert can (nor should) afford both TT and Love to make $15+ million/year. I never pay attention to college but Kentucky had me watching much more college basketball than normal. This is a deep draft so I expect a rookie to contribute next season. A healthy Kyrie, rookie, Love or TT, and new veteran mid-level guy searching for ring. The future is very bright for Cavs whether they spend money or not. P.S. – I really really believed Ray… Read more »
i wonder if nobody signs TT the way monroe was treated in detroit? then gilbert can skate with the final year and let him go unrestricted after. of course it would be risky but i still think under that griffin might flip love if he had to. i think it is risky and almost a back stabbing but it might happen
Why can’t he pay them both? He’s worth 5 billion? If he doesn’t want to pay them both, Bron can walk. The check will be written.
Yep. There’s no reason to choose. Gilbert won’t make the mistakes the Heat owner did. He’ll re-sign this team.
No way you let him walk but I do think you tender him and let him test the FA waters because we can match anything. He’ll probably get a max offer from someone knowing that we’ll match but I don’t think anyone really believes he’s a max player. He’s a 12 mill a year player but opportunity costs demand we over pay and I’m cool with that. I don;t think he’d be untraceable of for some reason we decided he needed to go.
If anyone is not getting paid its Shump and Smith. TT will get his, all signs point to Love staying at least for one more year, and TT just made himself invaluable to this team. We might see Varejo get the stretch-provision this offseason and then get re-hired as a coach of some sort. The cavs will take care of him but his contract is such an albatross. Big guys don’t recover from Achilles injuries very well. Even GM Lebron should realize that.
I am generally in the same camp: my feelings are sadness and loss more than anger. It’s hard to be angry at this team. They gave it all they had. I am proud of them more than anything.
The one moment I can’t stop thinking about: imagine if we could have scored on the last possession of Game 1. We would have been up 1-0 AND had Kyrie. It’s now clear Kyrie’s injury was a fluke and unrelated to the tendinitis, which means if we had avoided OT in game 1, he would have been fine. Le sigh.
I was thinking about this two. We could’ve been up 3-0 before the Warriors make the adjustments necessary to take more control of the series. We could’ve had for shots to win a title if Shump’s putback falls.
Or GSW’s video-editor-savant watches the Spurs-Heat series one game earlier and we suffer a similar fate. I’d rather not think about what could have been, but rather what the season was – a heck of a lot better than we thought. If AV doesn’t get hurt, do we pull the trigger on Mozgov/Shump/JR? I think we are better set up after this season for sustained success than I would have expected. That is “what is”, not what could have been – it could have been even worse than it ended up…