Cavs Trade Mike Miller and Brendan Haywood
2015-07-27Late last night, Adrian Wojnarowski broke the story that the Mike Miller and Brendan Haywood are being traded to Portland for a pair of trade exceptions. Cleveland will receive a $10.6 million dollar exception for Haywood, and a $2.96 million dollar exception for Mike Miller. In addition Portland will receive the better of Cleveland’s two 2019 second round picks, and a 2020 second round pick. Many expect Miller to seek a buyout and look to play for a contender. The fact that Portland reportedly sent cash to the Cavs makes this seem strange to me (cash is often conveyed to cover the cost of a buyout). For any of you wondering if Miller could join the Cavs à la Zydrunas Ilgauskus, the NBA closed that loophole. Miller has to wait one year before signing with Cleveland.
What does this mean for The Cavs? Brendan Haywood’s $10.5 million was never guaranteed, and he’ll be waived. Moving Miller’s $2.85 million dollar contract could save the Cavs between 10 and 13 million in salary and luxury tax. The exceptions they received work a little bit differently than Haywood’s non-guaranteed contract. They cannot be combined, and there are no circumstances in which exception can be used to trade for a player making more than the exception. But, the advantage of the exception is that the Cavs no longer have to conform to the matching salary rules of the NBA trade deadline. Remember how the Cavs would have had to take back a minimum of around $7 million and change in salaries to move Haywood? That no longer applies.
This means the Cavs could trade for a guy like, say, P.J. Tucker, whose salary is $5.5 million. The Suns would not be required to add $1.5 million in cap fodder to make the trade work. The exception is also good for one year, so the Cavs could use it this season, or wait till the 2016 offseason when they may want to add players. It’s a nice chip to have in their back pocket.
What complicates matters is that the Cavs have very few future assets to trade. The next future pick the Cavs can trade is a 2018 first rounder. 2016 is already committed to Phoenix (via Boston in the move that cleared Zeller, Jarrett Jack, and Sergey Karasev’s salaries last year). And the Cavs are required to keep the 2017 pick because of the Ted Stepien rule barring teams from trading away first rounders in consecutive years. (He still haunts us). The only other items in the tradeable asset column are Joe Harris, Sir’Dominic Pointer, the rights to Cedi Osman, and the rights to Sausha Kaun: the NBA equivalent of a jar of kapers, some Chinese hot mustard packets, and a half a bottle of grocery store vodka.
Yes, there are other players that could theoretically be moved later in the season: Shump, J.R., Mozzy, Delly… basically anyone not named Irving, Love, or James, but those odds seem low. You keep the good stuff in the top shelf for a reason.
The type of players the Cavs could get to fill these exceptions seems similarly limited. Basically, we’re talking about teams over the luxury tax who are no longer in contention, and want to shed salary, or teams looking to shed salary for 2016. This includes the Warriors, Heat, Thunder, Clippers, Bulls, Spurs, and maybe the Rockets and Nets who are on the tax borderline. None of these organizations will be much inclined to help out the Cavs. Another possibility is a Ty Lawson style player who has worn out his welcome with his current team, but probably not at that talent level.
Or we’re talking high priced scrubs. We’re talking the Steve Novaks of the league. There’s a reason some guys are available. But, if the past NBA season is any indicator, teams will look to shuffle the chairs before next year’s trade deadline, and what is true today about who a team vales will not be true in six months. Someone’s always looking to blow it up. It’s good to have the flexibility, even if the Cavs don’t use it.
As for Miller and the King, there are reports that the LeBron James gave his blessing and that Miller wanted more playing time.
LeBron OK with Mike Miller trade, per source, who said Miller wanted out and a chance to play again. #Cavs receive trade exceptions for both
— Jason Lloyd (@ByJasonLloyd) July 27, 2015
I doubt the Cavs would have made this move without clearing it with LBJ first. However, a part of me thinks Miller may not find the greener pastures he’s seeking as a player, and we may see him as a Cavs assistant coach in this year or the next.
What does this mean for the Cavs’ roster, you ask? Well, it currently projects to an NBA minimum 13 players, and that includes Harris, Delly, Tristan Thompson, and J.R. Smith. That leaves the Cavs with two remaining roster spots. One of those spots may be reserved for Sir’Dom or a training camp standout, but the Cavs could conceivably keep their roster lean in order to save on luxury tax. Griffin certainly has the roster room to add impact players if he desires.
Perhaps the extra available salary will allow the Cavs to sign Matty D, Tristan, and maybe J.R., but if we’ve learned anything this summer, it’s that nothing is official until the paper is signed. So, hurry up and wait.
Game 4 of the 2007 NBA Finals is on NBATV right now. Pavlovic just drained a 3!
In other random summer news: our old friend, Mike Brown, was an assistant coach on the Pan-Am Bronze medal team this summer, behind Gonzaga’s Mark Few. The team was led by the indomitable Ryan Hollins. Wonder what that was like…
Good God, that sounds like great basketball.
Glenn was signed by the pacers for a 3 year deal .http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2015/07/25/pacers-sign-glenn-robinson-iii-to-three-year-deal/
That’s Glenn Robinson III not Glen Rice Jr. Wrong 90’s scorer’s offspring.
I wish there was a feud between Glenn Robinson, Jr. and Glen Rice, Jr. that they were forced to settle with an emojii battle at dawn…
With Tim Hardaway Jr. mediating.
YES!!!
along with what Jason brought up pertaining to TT —if he just opts in for this year and test the freeagent market next year —-can we match any offer given to him and still retain him —thanks to whomever for educating me on this —–agree with trying to lock up the MOZ DURING THE SEASON ( if that is even feasible ) the only thing with the MOZ is he is going to be ( or already is 30 )—-think GRIFF / AND FRONT OFFICE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB THIS SUMMER —-could see MILLLER possibly returning to the cavs… Read more »
I appreciate the article, Nate. You made a couple good points that really stand out. The first one is that the Cavs really don’t have any tradable assets other than the ones you’ve mentioned. Having no picks really hamstrings anything substantial being done. A team would have to be really desperate to shed salary for the Cavs to acquire someone useful. Secondly, one point you make here and even more so in previous articles is that the BHC and trade exceptions in general weren’t worth as much as we fans would like. I mean, the Steve Novaks of the league?… Read more »
Thanks! Agree with you on developing players. Really wished the Cavs had gone after Harrison or Seth Curry or someone who can play this year and develop. At the very least, a practice body would be helpful. I’m hoping Tyler Haws is in camp and that the Cavs add another body. Also hoping Smokin’ Joe rebounds from his lousy summer league play. Really surprised no one has signed Glenn Rice Jr. who was a 35th pick two years ago and was among the summer league standouts. Wonder if he has a reputation for having an attitude.
Remember last year when Glenn Rice, Jr. was the MVP of the Summer League?
Yeah. I always wonder what’s going on that we don’t know about.
Did not know that, EG… love the info though!
A young wing with offense talent and the athleticism for defensive potential would be perfect.
Amen… Harrison has an NBA body, young and can develop. Curry is an NBA shooter at least. Great idea about Haws, he’s an NBA shooter with a little size at least. Of course, agree about Smokin’ Joe… I think he’s the biggest wild card. He can be a sorely needed 3pt specialist at best, or dead weight (again) at worst. Also, I like the idea about Rice Jr. One would hope he has the pedigree to know what it takes to hang in the NBA. And I agree, the most likely thing must be some behind-the-scenes drama we don’t know… Read more »
I’m betting the latter on Rice. Also, his NBA stats are atrocious. In 17 games: 27%/25%/69% shooting splits with a 16% turnover rate and a 3.8 PER.
HAHAHA… WOW! We received better from Harris and Miller last season! I hope he gets it together… I remember his dad being a cold-blooded 3pt shooter.
I don’t agree with this notion that Blatt didn’t give guys further down the bench a chance (i.e. Marion and Miller). ESPN tried to use this as another reason to attack Blatt.
He started Miller against the Bulls for goodness sake. He posted like -20 plus minus in the first quarter and they fell way behind. Everyone on the roster was given a fair chance; Marion, Miller, Haywood, Perkins, Joe Harris just had nothing to give.
Hi believeLAND… thanks for the post! Nate, EG, nor I said here that Blatt didn’t give guys a chance. What I said was that Miller didn’t see much time after the mid-season trade, which is a fact. That statement doesn’t necessarily exclude the fact that you’ve mentioned, which is that Blatt gave everyone a shot at earning playing time. Your point about Miller underperforming against the Bulls actually reinforces my point about Miller’s lack of playing time post-midseason trade. For Blatt to expect Miller to produce in the playoffs against the Bulls after not seeing much playing time over the… Read more »
Okay……… well I guess I misunderstood “and Blatt really didn’t give him any minutes post-midseason trade last year.” with regards to Miller in your post.
I guess I just get defensive whenever I feel like Blatt is being unfairly criticized.
My apologies for not clarifying what I meant believeLAND! I have no problem with anyone sticking up for Blatt… I am a huge Blatt fan from the start! I love the fact that he’s not a re-tread NBA coach. I think he has the chance to be a really special coach in the NBA.
This year they should be able to play everyone, and give the big three plenty of days off.
Don’t forget, in terms of Delly and, very possibly TT, we still have their Bird rights. Even though they will be (Delly) or could be (TT) unrestricted FAs, we can still offer them steeper raises and more years, I think.
Please correct me if I’m wrong there.
Does it get better than this? I think not.
Only thing left now is for Sacramento to extend him an offer.
Those hoops at fairs are small and they suck. If he torched them to that extent, I tip my hat.
Yeah. I’m a bit amazed. No wind either, I’m betting.
Those hoops are legitimately intentionally made oval rather than a strict circle, so as to make it more difficult to make shots. Don’t let them fool you.
This might be my favorite non-news story of the off-season… HIBACHI!!!
I still don’t understand why Agent Zero is not on an NBA roster… He’s only 33 and can clearly still shoot the rock…
Yes, he’s quite the marksman.
Yeah, yeah… I know (too bad you can’t do emojiis on the Blog since a gun emoji would have been appropo here)…
But still, that was like three years ago now… And David Stern is gone…
He was never the same as a player after the knee issues. Combine that with his general knuckleheadedness, it’s clear that no one thinks the benefits outweigh the cost of having him on their team.
Agent Zero was SWOT-ed in the balance, and found wanting.
To Joey B’s point, he’d be the final nail on the door of George Karl’s padded cell that Vivek is building in Sacto…
It all goes horribly awry when Rondo and Agent Zero get in a feud and decide to solve it with a katana duel at dawn.
Or better yet… a Connect Four battle…
Is it too early to start thinking about Mozzy and next year? What would he command and what could we give him?
$17 million? Cuban always loves throwing money at bigs.
Don’t worry, we’ll just send Doc Rivers daughter to straighten him out. JR can blockade the door and Shump can spit a few rap lyrics with Mozzy.
Yean, I would extend Moz asap
Gonna depend on how this season goes for him. There’s been a bit of bias against big men lately (see: Roy Hibbert), but then again, OKC wound up having to spend $70M for four years to keep Enes Kanter (who might be a better scorer than Moz, but far inferior on defense). And given the cap explosion that’s going to happen next summer, Cavs could be looking at 18-20M per year to keep the big Russian…
Don’t be surprised if Mozzy doesn’t look all TOO hard. He’d be a fool not to at least take a gander, but Mozzy’s relationship with Blatt (stemming from his time on team Russia) and his sudden uptick in effectiveness from Denver to CLE should keep him around fairly easily. Suddenly, CLE is consistently a free-agents best chance to win a championship for the foreseeable future. It feels really good to finally be on this end of things.
Very glad Delly is back for the journey to the mountain top. He helps keep LBJ loose and can make great stuff happen with his superior effort. Hopefully his shooting will continue to improve. Mo Williams better watch out…
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 7m7 minutes ago
RT @DanFeldmanNBA: Cavaliers can make Delly a restricted FA again next offseason @ESPNSteinLine (YOU HAVE IT RIGHT)
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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 6m6 minutes ago
Hope for Dellavedova is that there’s a better chance to secure a favorable offer sheet as an RFA next summer when 20+ teans have cap space
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Yeah, I was thinking that earlier, because he’s still in his first four years.
Excellent news. Delly: Cavalier for life!
I’d be surprised if Delly’s agent missed this. If I were him, I’d have made the team agree not to tender him.
I bet he gets a better qualifying offer next year though, right? I’d also assume that there will be more teams with needs and space to make the Cavs match.
He does get a better QO.
Agree. I was surprised as well at his agent.
Fact remains, Delly had great series against Atlanta and Chicago, and a fantastic first three games against GS. Still has time and room to improve, and is a player any coach would want on his team. Hope he has a monster year and improves his all around game for a big payday in 2016.
You really do have blinders on for this guy.
I do? You still haven’t answered my question about second year players who had a bigger impact. Oh, wait. You can’t.
This from the guy who kept telling me how pace-and-space Mike Miller was going to be way ahead of Delly on the depth chart this last season.
You have a blind spot. Almost every playoff game where he played big minutes (the games when Kyrie was out), he was a big contributor — up until the dehydration episode.
If that had happened during the regular season, the team would have sat him out of one or two games to let him recover. He clearly wasn’t himself physically in those last three games. You can’t beat him up about those.
If that had happened in the regular season, he might’ve sat out two weeks. Even the King took a two week hiatus when he was worn down, although there was mental stuff going on as well.
I have blinders on for Mo Gotti… I really think he’s going to be a great fit for this team next year (especially with Kyrie probably coming along slowly as he gets his legs back from injury).
You mean Mo Buckets
And yes, he’s going to be fantastic. He is a great addition and gives us an actual backup PG.
He’ll always be Mo Gotti to me… I used to love it when they played The Godfather theme after he sank a three in his first go-round… I hope they bring that back…
EG and Cols, I hope you are both right. I’m concerned about Mo’s defense. He may help our offense but the Cavs made a serious commitment to defense and it showed in how well they played in the latter part of the season. I hope Mo surprises us with how committed he is to defending.
I’m less concerned I guess because the Cavs improved greatly on D after the trades for Moz, Iman and JR. Kyrie’s D wasn’t all that great until he had a rim-protector and a lock-down defensive wing or two. I think Mo’s D, while a notch below Kyrie because KI has younger legs, is fairly comparable. I think he’ll mostly be playing with leads next year anyway…
Good points. I guess if we can be surprised by JR’s commitment to defense, it could happen with Mo too,
Mo’s problem wasn’t commitment, it was ability.
Delly
s playoff stats
7 ppg, 2.7 apg, 1.8 TO. 31.6% from 3, 47 TS%, -3 BPM, 6.8 PER, 17 AST%, 18 TOV%
he sucked. This is great deal for the Cavs, bad for Delly. He needed multiple year contract. He’s likely to see his playing time reduced big time this year.
What Delly contributes cannot be quantified through statistics. The game is deeper than that.
Plus, you have to throw out the last 3 games of the Finals, when Delly never had enough time to recover after his hospitalization.
Before that, he came up big when needed against the Bulls, Hawks and Warriors.
Eh, Delly’s stats are dragged down by a few bad games, but the fact remains, no second year players came close to the impact Delly did. Delly needs to up his endurance, handle, offensive confidence, and get some finishing moves around the rim. All are doable for a player as smart and dedicated as Delly.
You can’t always go on raw stats. He made plays in each of the series that led to wins. If he doesn’t secure the rebound in the final minutes, doesn’t get the rebound and1, doesn’t hustle on D, they lose certain games. At the very least that puts more miles on Lebron and the starting crew and the run ends earlier.
Two really good games in the finals was more than anyone should expect from a 4th guard on a team. Holds Curry to 5-23 shooting in game 2 (second on the team at +15) and then goes for 20, 5, 4 and +13 in game 3.
He shot better from three than Joe Johnson did in the playoffs.
2015 Delly = 2008 Varejao, 2016 Varejao = 2015 Haywood, 2016 Williams = 2014 Mike Miller, Cols = Troll
Another thing I didn’t write about was that there were few teams left with cap room to offer Delly an offer sheet that the Cavs might not match. One of them was Portland. A couple people pointed out there may have been a wink-wink-nod-nod deal included with the Miller Trade not to pursue Delly or Tristan. Matt may have had his leverage taken away with the trade: hence the one year deal.
I subscribe to this theory… great point, Nate!
Second that thought. A lot was being talked on the Blazers blog that they really did want Dellavedova. They thought he could compliment Lillard the same way Delly has for Kyrie. Many don’t understand there isn’t a whole lot left in point guards. He was still listed in the top 10 (along with JR and TT) of players out there available. Delly was ranked above Norris Cole.
I was thinking that too.
So the only unfinished business is signing JR and signing TT.
Kyrie, Love, Lebron, Mozzy, TT, Sumpert, Delly, JFJ, Harris, Varajao, Mo, Jefferson, JR (?), Pointer. Anyone I’m missing?
Happy but a little bummed that Delly didn’t get a bigger payday, and that the Cavs didn’t lock him up for a longer term. This saves CavsDan some money in 2015, for sure though, and Delly is betting on himself. Cavs may come to regret not signing him to a longer term deal though. People forget that Matt was in his second NBA season. No second year NBA player came close to having the playoff impact Delly did.
This was really dumb on Delly or his agent. His value is at his highest it will probably ever be right now. Not gettting multiple years really hurts him.
As for playoff impact? Once again, he had 2 good games. The rest he was garbage.
Cols, you can’t go back on your comment of being wrong about Delly. It’s over, he is the best 12th man in the world.
Uh, ok. Chicago series: 23.3 minutes, 8.3 points, 3.7 assists on 70% true shooting. Got Taj Gibson kicked out of a game. Atlanta: Games of 10, 17, and 11 point games, great defense on Teague. He had one stinker and played three good games and they swept anyway. Took out Korver and also Horford for a game. Golden State: Two monster defensive games on the game’s biggest stage, and a 20 point/ 5 rebound/ 4 assist masterpiece in game three. Yeah, the wheels fell off the wagon for him, but it doesn’t diminish what he accomplished, and as a second… Read more »
Check and check mate! All good points and TRUTH on Dellavedova! We should just keep repasting and posting this every time Cols goes on another hate rant on Delly.
I bet Cols cuts loud farts in church.
Are we happy that he “took out” Korver? He’s our irritant and we love him for that but the korver thing was an accident and isn’t an added plus to Delly’s playoff resume.
I think they’ll sign him for longer when the cap rises the following season. Good move on behalf of both Delly and the front office.
Hope so.
The Cavs may have learned a lesson from the Andy contract. Nice way to send a guy out but it’s haunting the teams flexibility now. We all expect the Cavs to get to the ECF and most think the Finals. Unless Delly gets hurt he’ll get paid by someone as a UFA in a bigger cap market next year.
Anyways, I like all these recent moves. I’m glad the Cavs didn’t panic and just took what they could get for the BHC. Dumping Miller was an added bonus.
IDK that AV contract is all that restrictive… It’s not like they wouldn’t have been strapped just re-signing all the other guys this off season anyway. In fact, you could argue that the AV deal positioned them to have the opportunity to make the trade for Joe Johnson (word is that the Cavs ultimately balked at it).
By next season when the cap explodes, the AV deal will look like chicken feed…
Besides Joe Harris, every single one of the 13 players on the roster has a chance at being a part of the rotation. That sure is nice, very minimal dead weight this year with all the tax expenses.
Let’s see.
We’ve improved in two places
Mo Buckets as backup PG
Richard Jefferson as backup SF.
We’ve regressed pretty much nowhere. Great job Griffin.
We’re a solid 12 deep.
Maybe. We thought last year we were deep as well, but Miller and Marion had nothing to give at the end. You never know who will suddenly be done or who will go down with injury. I don’t think its safe to count on JFJ, Williams, RJ, or Varejao to offer much. But they are quality vets nonetheless to have. I just wouldn’t call it 12 deep.
I think you can definitely count on Mo given his numbers last year… JFJ, RJ and AV are bigger question marks, but you have to believe RJ and AV can provide at least decent defense and rebounding, and JFJ showed he can still hit spot up threes with some frequency.
Marion looked done by December last season, Miller never seemed to have anything and Perk was basically just big man insurance along with Haywood.
Is it me or did Miller look really out of shape all season? Like he had pot belly. I think we’re definitely deeper this year.
I think that’s why he went with the crazy haircuts… to distract from his doughy body…
It was the beef cheek pirogues at Lola.
I dunno, I thought Marion looked okay in limited minutes. But you are probably right about the others, I was simply making the point that you never know when an aging player finally loses that last half steps that takes them from useful to liability. Any of those four guys are candidates for suddenly becoming unplayable. I mean, both Marion and Miller had great years in 2014 and looked like great deals when we signed them, only to have them be completely useless in the playoffs, when we really needed them.
I’m also not entirely sure that it was all that easy for either of them to find a rhythm between Blatt’s system and LeBron ball. But as soon as Marion announced that he was going to retire, it was like he aged 10 years. And Miller literally had one good game where he hit four triples… and that was about it. Mike had zero defensive ability left…
Marc Stein tweets on Delly’s possible thinking:
Makes good sense for Dellavedova to play out next season on qualifying offer with Cavs so far into luxury tax and reluctant to spend further
This way Dellavedova can return to free agency next summer as an unrestricted free agent. And word is that another motivation here …
Word is that another motivation for Delly is knowing exactly where he stands for next season before starting national team run with Aussies
Putting it here for the record: Stein corrected himself later to say that Delly will still be restricted next year.
Dave McMenamin @mcten 11m11 minutes ago
Good. One year deal is perfect for him. Hopefully his playing time goes way down with Mo Buckets being in the fold.
Cols happy the Cavs re-signed Delly.
The NBA – where AMAZING happens.
Looks like he took the qualifying offer.
Or just over.
Griffin must have something else planned still. Adding Mike Miller in the trade only saved 3 million straight up (tax issues not included). I can’t imagine him essentially giving away 2 second rounders, which are becoming increasingly more valuable for taking low risk high payoff chances. The Haywood contract could have just been cut if he didn’t want to have as much tax money to pay.
You can’t separate the tax issues from the move of Miller. The second rounder payment gave us two things in addition to the savings, which is about 10 mill. (1) an open roster spot to someone who might contribute and/or develop and for whom we’ll have bird rights (essential for any of our players going forward as a repeater tax payer) and (2) a trade exception that will allow us to add a player we need in January if someone goes down.
I’m going to miss Mike Miller. He always seemed like a great guy and teammate and up until last year was good at basketball. I wonder if Delly’s eating habits somehow corrupted him. He looked out of shape for most of last year.
That being said, great trade by Griffin. We unloaded a player who sucked and got back something very useful. Griffin should be getting his 2nd straight executive of the year trophies this year.
Miller was a huge disappointment. Kept waiting for him to step up, but it never happened. It does sound like he was a great presence in the locker room, but so is James Jones, and at least JFJ still has something left in the tank…
Cols on trade of Mike Miller (former Heatle, LeBron’s pal, spot player for 2014-15 Cavs): “I’m going to miss Mike Miller.”
Cols on potential done-ness of Andy Varejao (11-year Cavs lifer, fan favorite, heart and soul of team): “good riddance”
I guess I’m just confused as to why a Cavs fan would feel that way about those players.
Because Andy has basically done nothing for half a decade.
Because Cols is a fan of “stars” and star names. Miller has had a bigger name. Most GMs would have taken Andy. Better player, but not the traditional stat filler that Miller was in his heyday.
I mean sure Miller had a bigger name 10 years ago. I just fail to see why someone would root against a player who’s been on their team for 11 years and remains excellent when healthy while being sad to send off a one-year rental who was literally the worst player on the roster to remain healthy. Haha how does that make sense?
It is your right to believe that. But note that last year, in 26 games Andy scored over twice as many points TOTAL as Miller did through 102 games. Just saying.
PS by that logic we should just get rid of Kevin Love because he’s basically done nothing in the postseason his entire career! Him AND Andy got injured, the bums!
STOP! You are trying to use logic with Cols! When was the last time that worked?
Obviously Andy hurt himself on purpose so as to not be able to contribute more in LeBron’s absence during the dark days. You know, when pretty much everything sucked for the Cavs?
So far this offseason….
Departures: Shawn Marion (retired), Kendrick Perkins (NO), Brendan Haywood, and Mike Miller
Arrivals: Mo Williams, Richard Jefferson, Sir Dominic
On top of resigning LBJ, KLove, Shump, and JFJ.
Presuming the rest of the guys come back, not sure what else we could’ve asked for from David Griffin and Dan Gilbert. Replacing bench fodder with some pieces that can contribute in areas of “relative weakness” – just a waiting game until next June at this point.
It also sounds like there’s at least a decent chance that they bring Sasha Kaun over as well…