The Point Four-ward: In (Con)Tract-ion
2015-08-19Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) It has become almost commonplace to say that LeBron James never stops surprising. For all the highlights, the masterful performances, and even this season’s Herculean Finals run, he’s just one of those players who can still surprise. He can surprise, in spite of how much more surprising his feats must be than those of other players. He can surprise, in spite of our judgement of him being set so ridiculously high.
This summer has been no exception.
No, LeBron hasn’t come out with a surprise on the scale of Summer 2014’s “The Return,” but in smaller ways, he’s proven just as difficult to anticipate.
Take, for example, James’s stance on the Tristan Thompson contract negotiations. First, when it was widely expected that James, who shares agent Rich Paul with Thompson, would wait for Thompson to come to terms before signing his own contract with the team, James did the opposite. On July 9, the first day that NBA free agent contracts could be signed, James informed the team that he’s be back on what amounts to a one-year $23 million deal (the deal’s second year, is a player option for $24 million).
Thompson’s negotiations, as Cavs fans well know, remain ongoing. But, LeBron, again somewhat surprisingly, hasn’t been throwing his weight around on the matter. In fact, just last Thursday at Cedar Point, where James announced his partnership with the University of Akron to provide scholarships to at-risk students, he said the following about Thompson:
Things need to be worked out from his side and the Cavs but we need him back. He’s an important resource.
This surprised me a little.
No, there’s nothing earth-shattering about that statement. But just the fact that James seemed to hold Paul and Thompson as accountable as the team for the current impasse in negotiations was huge for a player who is often characterized as the team’s de facto GM.
Maybe what’s going on between Thompson and the Cavs won’t devolve into a mean-spirited, qualifying offer-signing mess. Maybe this is part of the process. Or, more shockingly, maybe James is letting his agent and his team work on this deal for his teammate like the professionals both sides are. Maybe…
James also called re-signing Thompson to be the team’s “number one priority” going forward, a statement that the Cavs front office would agree with, as well.
2.) In a previous Four-ward, I discussed the reports coming out of the Las Vegas Summer League that the Cavs were meeting with their 2008 second round pick Sasha Kaun and that it seemed likely that Kaun would return stateside after playing the last six years professionally for CSKA Moscow and as a member of the Russian national team. Well, likely just got likelier.
NEOMG’s Chris Haynes reported that Kaun was in Cleveland on Monday for “house hunting,” among other things, and that while inking Kaun will likely be the final bone to fall in the domino train of the Cavaliers off-season, it’s now a question, no longer of if, but of when Kaun will officially join the wine and gold.
Kaun, 30, even in coming off a career best season in 2014-15, would be penciled in as the team’s fifth big man, behind starters Kevin Love and Timofey Mozgov and top reserves Thompson and Anderson Varejao. But it is encouraging that Kaun is coming to the Cavs at his peak, even if his peak is only the 9.9 points and 4.5 rebounds a game he averaged last season. By contrast, when David Blatt needed a big other than Thompson off his bench during the second half of last season, all he had was Kendrick Perkins, also just 30 years old, but whose game has been on a steady decline for the last several seasons.
3.) The expected addition of Kaun leaves the Cavs roster, assuming they reach deals with Thompson, J.R. Smith and Sir’Dominic Pointer, at 14 [Correction: adding Kaun, along with retaining Smith and Thompson and signing Pointer would bring the Cavs roster to its maximum 15. But they could choose to hold off on signing Pointer, putting the final roster spot, again, in play.]. The Cavs don’t have to carry the league maximum 15 players. They could choose to only carry 14 — only 12 of whom can be active — and save the money that carrying a 15th player would incur in luxury tax penalties. But, as the Cavs learned last season, players get hurt, so there’s no harm in trying to fill the end of your bench with quality.
Of the two players — the team’s former first round pick Jared Cunningham and Duke alum Quinn Cook — recently inked by the Cavs to training camp deals, Cook looks like the far more interesting long-shot prospect.
4.) In 40 professional games, Cunningham is a 35% shooter from the floor and connected on just 30.8% of his three point attempts. Standing 6-5 in shoes, he does have good size and athleticism for a shooting guard. The low shooting numbers, though, make him a longer than long shot to make the team that originally drafted him.
The 6-2 Cook, however, is a much better shooter, hitting 40% of his three pointers for the Blue Devils last season. Here’s the book on Cook, per DraftExpress:
Cook is quick in the open court, both with and without the ball, and is great in transition, where he scored more points this season than any player in this draft class (on excellent efficiency at 1.35 PPP according to Synergy, #2 in this draft). He doesn’t get to the rim all that often in the half-court, though, shooting just 91 shots inside the paint and hitting only 45% of his attempts. He will need to improve on his touch on his floaters to become a more effective scorer in the paint, as he doesn’t always have the size or athleticism to get all the way to the basket against a set defense.
Much of Cook’s offensive value comes from his shooting ability, which is much improved from his freshman season. In his first year at Duke, he shot just 25% from beyond the arc but has since grown to become a 40.1% shooter,third among point guards in our top 100. He has a fundamental stroke that should allow him to translate his shooting to NBA distance and give him a way to contribute when off the ball. He’s much more comfortable in catch and shoot situations (39%) compared to jumpers off the dribble (34.8%) but he doesn’t force many tough jump shots off the dribble that he is uncomfortable attempting.
The Bulls are going to be a tougher out next season. Here’s one more reason why.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/jon-greenberg/post/_/id/1173/hungry-joakim-noah-focused-on-regaining-star-footing
If they’re healthy they will be a tougher out. But we weren’t healthy either so I still think we’ve got the edge in that match up. I think the two biggest threats to the Cavs are the Heat and the Bulls. Hopefully they play each other first so we don’t have to face both of them.
Threats on the East of course.
I think Bulls (with a healthy season from D Rose) are the 2nd best in east and an actual threat to Cavs. I guaran…..er….. really believe it.
Not mentioned (I think), in the last 6 years he’s only played 68+ games 1x. He’s 30 now, not a Kaun fountain of youth 30, but NBA gritty, dirty, brutal 30.
You are correct. I think both Noah and Varejao are mostly done. They’re both smart, underrated offensively, and good passers, but their calling card – gritty defense – is now a step slow and they won’t be able to stay healthy with their style of play.
If there’s one thing I’ve figured out about Euros, it’s that you just can’t predict how well they’re going to play stateside. Kaun is a fine addition. He is just as good of a signing as any big man they could have gotten at this point., and frankly, has more upside than anyone out there. He plays fewer games and fewer minutes in Europe, so 30 should not be a big deal. He’s got far fewer miles on the odometer than his 30-year-old American counterparts. (And 30 is still at the end of prime age for big men). Ideally he… Read more »
You are right about having no one knowing anything about how Kaun will translate to the NBA. I tend to think he will be more useful than Varejao, but that makes him the 4th big so he won’t get much run. The “if he was any good he’d have been here years ago” logic doesn’t really fly, however, because the reason he was in Europe was he could make more money. He’d be paid as a back up here, a useful one, but a back up. He’d get more play and more money playing as a starter there. I can’t… Read more »
“JEDI ” WITH THE ” LEBRON FROM BEHIND BLOCK ” —-HELL LET’S GET THAT KID IN A CAVS UNIFORM THIS YEAR —-EVIL THANKS FOR THE HIGHLIGHTS
Here’s another story on today’s “Jedi” mind trick… maybe he is using the force, since he never missed a shot, going 8-8 (5-5 from three, and 3-3 from two).
http://www.fandose.us/pfr/PI3F6hcfPZ
Some Cedi action in his previous game against Lietuva… Note the one-handed prayer three at the buzzer!
@cediosman: Dreams came true! The Cavs for giving me an opportunity! Hope to play for that wonderful city one day. Let’s go Cleveland!
And Cols, I believe Kaun started ahead of Mozgov on the Russian National team, so maybe he’s a decent player that doesn’t suck.
@IAmDPick: Cavs gonna love draftee Cedi Osman. Had 24 points in 24 minutes shooting 100%. Kid is special.
I’m sure Cols thinks he sucks.
Here’s the story…
http://cavaliers.247sports.com/Bolt/Cavaliers-Cedi-Osman-scores-24-points-in-International-friendly-38830727
Thanks dude! It would be nice to hit on a 2nd round pick.
Cedi “Jedi” Osman!!!
Absolutely loving the “Jedi” nickname!
cols you mean all I have to do IS TROLL YOU ” to be invited to the ” YOUR BEER FEST ” —-COUNT ME IN —-” COLS YOU SUCK / HA HA )
Be careful! If anyone is drinking pot infused beer, you know who it is!
Sasha Kaun impressed me when I watched videos of him playing in Europe.
He’s a quick, tenacious defender in the film I saw.
He is not a stretch 4 or 5, but has a decent touch down under.
He does not demand the ball and will not pout if he doesn’t get it.
I’d love to see him on the Cavs especially since Andy is a question mark due to his past injuries and age.
He might wind up being the starter.
No. Are you trolling me?
The guy is 30 years old and has never played in the NBA or against NBA levels of competetiong . he will probably not be good at all.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Sasha Kaun… MVP
No… THAT’S a troll… ;)
We really should drink beers together someday.
I guarantee you it would be fun… See how I used “guarantee” in that sentence? Because I could actually control my input of that situation enough to guarantee the outcome…
Whoa Whoa, slow down. I have to (marginally) agree with Cols. There’s a reason he hasn’t played in the NBA. He’s not going to start over anyone on the team. He will be injury insurance. He will fill into the “Kendrick Perkins” role, but hopefully will be able to give at least meaningful minutes throughout the year (and more if there are a couple injuries… Love/AV). If we get meaningful minutes from him, I’ll be happy.
Yes. Mr. Yoda
Kendrick Perkins role.
Nice job pointing out that Lebron is calling out both sides in the TT matter. I’m hating the usual dumb media rhetoric that TT has leverage because Lebron is somehow in his corner. As if Lebron is going to soil his legacy irreversibly by stabbing his hometown in the back a second time, take a smaller FA deal with some other team, and attempt to build another contender from the ground up when he’s in the twilight of his prime … all because TT wanted a contract bigger than Kyrie’s and wouldn’t take a perfectly acceptable $80M+ contract. I think… Read more »
Top 5 teams in the East (assuming full health of Big Three members)
1. Cavs
Nobody else
Top 5 teams in the West (assuming full health of Big Three members)
1. OKC
2. LAC
3. HOU (not sure if Houston is better than Clippers or not, feel free to put them in the #2 slot)
4. GSW
5. SAS
Nobody else can with the title.
You are way too high on OKC…
The WC is more like:
1. GSW
1a. Spurs
3. Clips
4. OKC
5. Rockets
Yeah, I totally agree… he’s probably expecting a lot out of Enes Kanter… I’m sure he LOVES him.
Top 5 CtB Trolling Commenters:
1. Cols
Nobody Else
okay, maybe:
1. Cols
2. DellaveYoda
I actually did lol……
Good stuff Robert! Great to see LBJ making a difference with his foundation, and also seemingly staying out of the TT negotiations. I do think the TT situation will go right up to training camp (not unlike the Eric Bledsoe negotiations last season). I’m still leaning towards believing he’ll wind up taking the QO, although the Sheridanhoops piece from yesterday makes me think there might be a middle ground (5 years $90M) that both the Cavs and TT’s camp might be willing to live with. I don’t think the Cavs will max him out, and I don’t think he will… Read more »
Kaun is 30 years old. If he was any good he’d of been stateside years ago.
Andy is coming off one of the worst injuries an old basketball player can have and he was terrible last year before the injury. Don’t expect much.
Cook and Cunningham are training camp bodies, nothing more. Our rotation is set.
1. Kyrie
2. JR
3. LeB
4. Love
5. Mozzie
6. TT
7. Shump
8. Mo Buckets
9 Jefferson
10. Jones
11. Delly
You have JR starting ahead of Shump?
He did last year and the Cavs were what 35-0 at some point with that starting lineup. I guess I don’t know, but I would think so.
Yet Griff (who you’ve often said should have been GM of the year) seems very interested in bringing him in… I’m not expecting either Kaun or AV to start, or to even log more than 10 minutes or so a night. What I am expecting are two relatively able-bodied bigs who can spell Moz and TT here and there…
Remember last year at this time when your “rotation” had Mike Miller playing ahead of Delly, and you were telling us all how good Mike Miller was, and how much Matty-D sucked?
Short digression: EG comes up with another underused but classy word: DERIDE. Just don’t see that used much “another target to deride”….Maybe Cols is just going along for “deride”
Eight years of Latin (don’t ask) and a slew of spelling bee competitions have ingrained a propensity to utilize a myriad of elaborately ostentatious confabulations… ;)
Ha! CtB, the most erudite of NBA blogs, providing the best in basketball AND linguistic education!
Latin cheer for Mo Gotti: Amo Mo!
Maybe EG was homeschooled in Latin America!
Then there’s also:
Amo, amas, amat-eee, we love Mo Gotti
ok, back to the day job.
Nice article, but your math is off. If we sign Kaun, JR, TT, and Pointer = 15. Let’s count, shall we? 1) James, 2) Irving, 3) Love, 4) Mozgov, 5) Shumpert; 6) Williams, 7) Dellavedova, 8) Jefferson, 9) Varejao, 10) Jones, 11) Harris, 12) Thompson, 13) Smith, 14) Kaun, 15) Pointer. Yikes. I’ll break it down for you, it is unlikely Pointer (or Cunningham, or Cook) make the final roster, given the cap situation and the exceptions we have. They’ll have to really shine in camp, and I think the Cavs would want to develop them and bring them along… Read more »
If TT takes the QO and leaves next year, you can be sure that the Cavs will pay whatever it takes to keep Moz…
Yep. Plus TT isn’t taking the QO, he’ll sign a long term deal. I guarantee it.
I don’t think that’s a guarantee you can make. Certainly, it would be advantageous for both sides to agree to a long term deal, but given how things worked out for Greg Monroe, I think it gives Rich Paul and TT a viable option…
I guaranteed the Finals – it happened
I guaranteed Love would be back for the next 4 years – it happened.
I give you this, and you doubt me? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!
You also guaranteed 70 wins and a title last year… (crickets)
Details EG, details …
I don’t think I ever guaranteed a title. I guaranteed the Finals but acknowledged they could possibly lose the Finals.
As it was, if they had LeBron plus ONE OTHER FREAKING GUY, they would have won anyways.
I kind of agree with Cols on this.
Monroe is a bad analogy; he left a crappy going nowhere team for one on the way up, with a good chance to play the Cavs for the ECC. Thompson would be leaving the best team in BB, with probably his two best friends (LBJ, KI), and one that is uniquely positioned to make him look good. Any other team would expect him to be a conventional scorer, which he will never be good at.
Monroe is only the most recent analogy. Look, TT would be foolish IMO not to make it work here. I’m just saying he does have a viable option, so nobody (outside of TT or Rich Paul) should go around “guaranteeing” anything… Here’s another way of looking at it… TT makes no secret about his love for Canada and Toronto. Suppose he loves it there enough that he would really like to play there (not unlike LBJ in NEO)? He could sign the QO this year, play with the Cavs for a championship (and have an excellent chance of winning one),… Read more »
EG
I can definitely guarantee it won’t go down like that.
No, unless you are involved in the negotiations… you actually cannot guarantee ANYTHING…
You’re right, Jason. Good catch. My bad. I’ve put that correction in the post.
But the Cavs haven’t signed Pointer yet, so he could be a candidate for the training camp player who goes directly to the Charge after camp (has to be one of the final cuts, if I understand that rule correctly) if they want to keep that roster spot in play for any reason.
1. Thompson will be signed
2. Kaun sucks and will probably not play at all
3. Cook and Cunningham will do next to nothing even if they improbably make the roster. Those guys just do not matter at all.
4. The two biggest additions of the offseason were Mo Williams, so we finally have a true backup PG who can dribble and shoot shots other than only the most wide open of threes. And Richard Jefferson who will fit much better than Marion. Those are the big additions so far.
2 and 3 are great points. We shouldn’t even bother attempting to fill out the roster at all!
I mean it’s fine. Just don’t expect them to play at all. The bottom three guys on the roster do not matter at all when it comes to winning a title. If your team is injured enough that you need those guys to play meaningful minutes, whelpt you are screwed.
Or the three guys at the end of the bench surprise you and make a few big plays that DO help win you the title. And, if memory serves, the Cavs were up 2-1 in the Finals last year without Kyrie or Love. No one expects these guys to be All-Stars, but you can feel free to continue hating on players who play for the team you root for…
And then GSW blew us away because we were missing Kyrie and Love and Delly was out of shape.
Delly could have been as in shape as Charles Atlas and the Cavs would have still been blown away.
Yes, I agree MikeO. Delly was awful for most of that series.
Sounds like a situation where an end-of-the-bench player could have been helpful in spelling Delly…
Then again, if any of the Big Three gets injured in the playoffs this year, you can go ahead and give up all hope while I continue rooting for the next man up to help bring it home. Color me an optimist.
Who said I wasn’t rooting for them? Of course I was. But you lose a big Three member and you are pretty much screwed when going against one of the wests top 5 teams.
I mean, repeatedly saying how much somebody sucks doesn’t exactly sound like a vote of confidence in my book, but fair enough.
I don’t think we’re screwed against any team as long as #23 is suiting up.
cwzagger
I agree about having LeBron. He just needed some amount of help. If even one of Kyrie or Love was healthy they win that seires in 6.
If they had Mo Buckets or Richard Jefferson on the team they win in 7. The basic flaw (OUTSIDE OF INJURIES) of last years team was a lack of a backup PG. But we have that now.
Cols, I don’t disagree with anything there. We coulda used help, but I still think we win that series if ANYONE — LeBron, JFJ, Delly, Shump, JR, Miller — could hit a three to save their life.
EG, keep posting this every time Cols says “sucks”!
Thanks Robert. 1) I think all of this is part of a natural process. The media just like to grab one word or phrase and blow it up for attention. TT will get done somehow and we’ll all move on. 2) Not crazy excited about Kaun yet but its good to have another big as Moz protection. Moz will probably play well his first full season with this Cavs group and that means he’ll be getting Max-type money from someone. 3/4)Agree that Cook is the far better looking player. With the fragility and age of PGs #1 and #2 it… Read more »
Amen to “live-er” bodies. I feel like the Cavs could start resembling the Heat, who patched a supporting cast together out of tape and glue the first year, and filled in the roster with healthier, abler bodies in the 2nd year when they started to gel.
I mean, it wasn’t the fault of the Cavs older guys we lost. We lost because our young guys either
1. got injured (Kyrie and Love)
2. were out of shape (Delly)
Your definition of “out of shape” is laughable…
Cols (sorry Dude) knows nothing on the human body and dehydration. My son , 100 200 meter sprinter WHO WENT TO STATE foolishly fell for the the high energy , caffeine laden drinks. C4was what he used with Red Bull before racing. It finally caught up to him and he collapsed like Delly did from dehydration. My son was in fantastic shape. A lean 5’10 130 pound sprinter. He ran all relays 4 x100, 4x 200, 4 x400 and then 100 meter race. His best time for 100 meter 10.8. So please I dare you to call him out of… Read more »
Those kids that took those drinks were peeing up to 10 times before they raced and then some afterwards. They are not replenishing the needed electrolytes fast enough.
Not that I agree with you that experiencing extreme dehydration and exhaustion after trailing one of the most difficult covers in the NBA (Curry) for 3 consecutive 40 minute games (which no one, I mean, literally, NOT ONE other person did in the NBA last year, and I would venture to say that it has NEVER been done, that is, a player defending a top 5 player in the league for around 40 minutes three straight games of blanket coverage), but you really did just say that we would have won the series if Delly was “in shape” ( I… Read more »
You’re right. The older guys weren’t even good enough to play, so how could we fault them?
Ugh. Are you still trolling with this ridiculous “out of shape” assertion? Get some new bait.