Thanksgiving Samples
2015-11-10Thanksgiving is a little more than two weeks away, but if you work in the grocery industry it’s already on your mind. Customers pre-order turkeys and pick sides in the coming days. They will test workers’ will to live as they ask a ton of questions and try to prepare for the big day. Here’s my experience so far.
Over the weekend, the grocery store where I work as a chef sampled their holiday offerings. I made most of the food, and I chuckled as people struggled to move around with their carts while carrying a tiny paper plate full of turkey, stuffing, gravy, green bean casserole, and cranberry sauce. “That’s what they get for trying to fill their stomachs for free, damn serial samplers,” I thought to myself.
Halfway through the event, as I waited for a pot of gravy to thicken, I overheard some comments about the cranberry sauce and green bean casserole. “This sauce is so sweet. It’s makes the Turkey like a dessert.” “I wish I could just eat the topping on the casserole.” (it was topped with fried french onions) “Do they employ Bobby Flay here?”
No one commented on the turkey, gravy, or stuffing (which had chestnuts in it), because this is the real world. Nobody comes to a Thanksgiving dinner expecting the turkey to be anything less than perfect. They need the stuffing to be on point, and the gravy must tie everything together. Those staples are a known value. People will say, “Generic comment A or B about” about them. That’s all the praise you’re getting on those items.
As usual, my mind wandered while hearing people judge my work. I thought about what small talk I would make if put on the spot, and immediately thought about basketball. I would tell people that this early in the NBA season is really a just a prolonged sampling event, much like the one they’re attending. The real NBA feast is post All-Star break, when teams either jockey for a higher playoff seed or start to tank for more ping-pong balls in the lottery.
I’d also point out a festive analogy of how I think each Cavalier represents a part of a Thanksgiving food spread. LeBron James, of course, is the turkey. Kevin Love, the stuffing. And, Kyrie Irving, upon return from injury, the gravy. Every NBA fan knows these guys are high-level performers and get mad when they aren’t.
On the other hand, Tristan Thompson and Matthew Dellavedova don’t get staple food status. TT is like a boutique style cranberry sauce, and Delly is possibly the best damn green bean casserole you will ever have. These side items are wild cards at Thanksgiving dinner. You can buy cranberry sauce in a can, or make it from scratch. You can throw together a green bean casserole using a can of mushroom soap, or make a creamy mushroom sauce with caramelized onions and blow peoples’ minds.
The side dishes for the Cavs have decided to be fancy for now. They may not be what people come to a Cavs game expecting to see on their plates, but they are often something that they will remember from their experience. Side dishes can make a Thanksgiving or basketball season something to remember, and people will invariably comment on them.
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Here’s a taste of Tristan Thompson, the Cavs’ cranberry sauce.
When Thompson signed with the Cavs for a contract worth $84 million after training camp was over, I rationally thought that he would be rustier than an old can of store-bought cranberry sauce. Boy was I wrong. After a sub-par half in game one of the season against Chicago, TT came out firing on target jumpers and converting at the rim. He’s shooting 67.6% from the field and 40% from mid-range so far this season.
But, more importantly, Canadian Dynamite has been playing as if he only receives his $14 million this year by grabbing rebounds. Rebounds, which are each worth about $15,000 (at $15k a board I could probably get at least one rebound in a real game — maybe even two). If he keeps that price estimate in mind, he’ll grab around 900 boards this season, a number he could easily reach considering he’s averaging 10.3 a game right now.
Tristan is also coming off the bench, and he still ranks 12th overall for rebounds. His rebounds per 48 number is 20.4. That’s fifth in the league, according to ESPN.
The craziest thing about TT’s rebounding, though, is that it’s extremely timely. He’s getting 4.4 boards a game in the fourth quarter, which is good for second in the league. Canadian Dynamite is also number two in defensive rebounding in the final 12 minutes, and in the top five for offensive rebounding.
As cliche as this sounds, if you want to beat the Cavs, you need to make your shots. Tristan is grabbing 23.7% of all available boards. There are no second chances when playing the King’s Men.
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A dollop of Delly casserole goes with most things basketball. The dictionary defines dollop as “a shapeless mass or blob of something, especially soft food.” Delly is shapeless in the sense that he can fill any requirement needed on a basketball court. That’s especially evident this season.
After the month of October, I knew something special was going on with the Australian. He was ranked fourth in plus-minus averaging +17.7 over three games! Former Cavalier Dion Waiters was number two on the list averaging +19.5 over two games (he has since fallen off).
Naturally, that Delly plus-minus number is suspect. Three games is a smaller sample size than the ones we were handing out this weekend at the grocery store. However, after seven games, SuperDova is still making magic on the court. He’s currently 12th in the league rocking an average plus-minus of +10.3. Although this number is behind LeBron James and Kevin Love’s top ten numbers, it is still impressive for a second round draft pick making $1.1 million this season.
Look at these two stat lines. One is Delly’s. The other is a player’s on a contender making $15 million a season. Which one is which? Who is the non-Delly player?
The reason I picked this other player is because he appears right next to Delly in the plus-minus rankings as of Sunday. The top line is Dellavedova, and the bottom line is actually Klay Thompson. I know it might seem semi-crazy to compare these two guys, but is it really? Delly should be talked about in a much more respectful way outside of Cleveland. Non-Cavs fans say, “Oh, Delly’s stats are inflated because he plays with LeBron and Love.” But, ask yourself, “Why are Klay’s stats what they are?” Answer: He’s playing next to Stephen Curry.
Delly is actually hitting threes at a higher rate than Thompson (38.9% for Delly, 36.1% for Klay), rebounding a little, and tossing out more assists. He adds 13.9 points a game with his 6.1 dimes. Thus, he is contributing 21.9 points a night to the Cavs’ bottom line.
Klay adds 6.4 points a game with his 2.7 assists per outing. That brings his total points to 21.4. Defensively, both of these players are above average. Delly’s defensive rating is 91, while Klay’s is 87.7. And, they are also playing next to score first point guards, Mo Williams and Stephen Curry, respectively. If you really want to get detailed about their defensive skills, you can look at their overall effect on how opponents shoot when covered by each of them. Surprisingly, players are shooting 4.9% lower than their average field goal percentage when locked down by Delly (19.4% lower for 3-pointers). People covered by Klay actually shoot 2.3% better.
Delly’s assist percentage also should be mentioned. He is assisting on 30% of shots when playing, for 6.1 dimes a night. He is certainly part of the reason the Cavs have the third most assists in the league with 26.1 a game. Furthermore, he’s protecting the ball. He has just one turnover every 3.91 dimes, which is in the top ten for guards. And, these assists are even more meaningful since he’s not just hooking guys up during garbage time.
The Cavs have used a variety of 5-man groups, but their third most used group is Mo Williams, Matthew Dellavedova, Kevin Love, LeBron James, and Tristan Thompson. This is who closes games. This group has played 25 minutes together, and outscored opponents by 73.6 points for the year, an average of 14.72 points each of the five games they have played. Furthermore, this group has a NetRtg of 70.9 (NetRtg is OffRtg-DefRtg). That’s number one in the league out of all lineups with at least 20 minutes of play (going into the slate of Monday night games). The second highest right now is Golden State’s small ball closing unit with a NetRtg of 54.5 (they’ve played 34 minutes thus far).
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In case you’re wondering how exactly a taste of Tristan combines with a dollop of Delly on a plate… it looks something like this:
https://vine.co/v/elZ6e3JHhwn
These two side dishes have complemented each other 13 times this year. Eleven of those times were for plays at the basket and a whole crop of Vines. The other two were mid-range jumpers. Mixing cranberry sauce and green bean casserole has always worked well off the basketball court, especially when both are of the highest quality. It’s really no surprise that this combination is working so well on the court. So far they’ve earned some rave reviews, for which Cavs fans should give many thanks. The main event may be far off, but the sampling this season has left me wanting more with each little plate.
The stats for this piece are accurate as of Monday morning, November 9th. They were obtained from NBA.com unless noted otherwise.
Awesome piece David. Really great stuff. Delly is the most underappreciated player in the NBA
Lebron just bought a vacation house in LA for 21 mill. Think we can use it when he’s not there, EG?
Doubtful… but no harm in asking… ;)
@mcten: David Blatt says J.R. Smith will play tonight against the Jazz. He also said Anderson Varejao, coming off a DNP-CD, will find minutes
@ChrisBHaynes: #Cavs G J.R. Smith (knee) will play this evening against the Jazz after missing team’s previous three games.
It’s early, folks. Odd things ALWAYS happen the first month of the NBA. Comparisons between Delly and Klay Thompson and Steve Nash are way way ahead of reality. I love Delly, and I’m thrilled that he looks like he might have a real NBA career now. He is making the transition from a very limited player whose successes seemed like minor miracles to a player with a couple of emerging “weapons” to go with his heady all-around play and all-out effort. Those weapons — catch and shoot 3s and lobs to TT — are great for a bench player to… Read more »
You are completely right, of course. However, this is Cleveland, where taking any small ray of hope about players turns him into a hall of famer, Lebron as teammate or not.
And if you can’t get carried away with Matthew Dellavadova, then nothing will carry you away. Carry us away, sweet Delly, carry us far, far away.
This Delly polarization is an interesting debate. One of the main problems most sports’ coaches, scouts, etc all have to overcome at some point to become good at those particular jobs is the idea that skill is pleasing to the eye. It is a bit of human nature to be drawn to clean lines and smooth motions…it’s why we all can be star struck by a dancer of superior ability even if we don’t really know anything about dancing. But dancing is an art form based on those lines and motions being clean (or playing against that idea sometimes). Athletics… Read more »
Good point. Lebron is a Ferrari, Delly is a Toyota Corolla. Nothing wrong with a Corolla. Practical, cheap, and reliable. Best bang for the buck.
Great comment. People dont understand why Delly is so effective.
The Heat traded Chalmers to Memphis.
Grizz probably had to do something, not sure it moves the needle much. It was basically just a salary dump from the Heat, right? At least we won’t be treated to that idiot Heat PA announcer shrieking “MARRRRRIOOOOO CHALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLMERS!!!!!!” After his rare made threes anymore.
Heat send Mario Chalmers and James Ennis to Memphis. Grizzlies send Benoh Udrih, Jarnell Stokes, and a second rounder to Miami.
Am I nuts or did Miami just significantly upgrade their second string backcourt while shedding salary and picking up a draft pick? How does Riley convince Chris Wallace, who’s a decent GM, to do that trade?
Because he made a pact with Satan.
My take is that this in no way significantly moves the needle for anybody.
The entire central division is currently a playoff team… Yeah I know it’s November, but it would be pretty cool if our entire division made the playoffs.
I honestly think it is the best division in the league. In all seriousness.
This is my favorite article I’ve seen on here in months. The seasonal metaphors were spot on, and encompassed how important both players are as complimentary pieces to the turkey. I was at an old girlfriends Thanksgiving a decade ago, and they didn’t have cranberries at all. The relationship justifiably ended a month later. Nice job guy.
I’m just sitting here trying to figure out what aspect of bedroom behavior was the missing cranberries that justified the breakup.
“You can throw together a green bean casserole using a can of mushroom soap” … I thought that might be a typo, but I’ve had some pretty bad green been casseroles and that could possibly explain it.
“Bad green bean casserole”? How could such a thing exist?
David: I wish I shopped at your store. Makes me hungry hearing about it.
Typically people use condensed mushroom soap to make it.
/shakes head
First comparing Delly to Steve NAsh
Now comparing him to Klay Thompson
CtB has gone full metal Delly and it is ugly.
Please, stop doing this, you are ruining your credibility as basketball analysts.
I can’t wait for your reaction when he gets compared to LeBron….
It’s one thing if the authors are doing it to troll me because I’m smart enough to know that Delly isn’t as good as they think he is. But people do actually read this stuff and the trust the authors of the blog to be giving them the straight dope. So they are creating uninformed NBA fans.
It isn’t good for a blog to do this. Keep your soul intact. Stop the ridiculous comparisons.
Cols, I say this with all due respect, but you need to knock it off.
A blog is by definition a site where people share their opinions. This is not being reported as news. Nobody is getting paid for these opinions.
If you don’t like what the bloggers here have to say about something, that’s fine. To imply that we are misleading people somehow is not only annoying… it’s offensive.
While I agree with EG, on the other hand Cols is the unofficial jester of the blog.
This is a new chapter: Who is trolling who? Group A consists of dozens of participants, many of whom are very knowledgeable. Group B consists of Cols.
It does provide an entertaining subplot to the blog.
Disagreeing incessantly and complaining about things like Delly love is one thing… Accusing the bloggers on this site (who do nothing but spend hours of their free time coming up with content for people to read and comment on) of “creating uninformed NBA fans” is the part to which I take offense…
Agree that Cols being curmudgeonly is part of what makes this Blog unique and great… This comment IMHO crossed the line…
Most of the readers of the blog greatly respect and appreciate the work put in by the bloggers. Doing anything right requires a lot of work. I frequently need tech info for scientific research, and I usually start with Google. I often come across a site that contains a lot of carefully presented information that is a great help to me. I try to remember to shoot the site owner a brief message thanking her/him, and commenting on the work. Usually I get an email back in about a minute telling me that this is good to hear, and that… Read more »
EG is correct here, Cols. The melodrama regarding the pro vs. anti Delly segments of this blog is all good fun, but to try to say the people who put in the work for us all to enjoy are somehow contributing negatively to the public is uncalled for and unfair. Everything I have read on this blog, whether I agree with it or not, is backed by numbers, quotes, and/or vines as examples of the basketball that is being discussed. And, in fact, a lot of people agree on the Delly takes, and not just on this blog. Plenty of… Read more »
No one seriously compared him to Steve Nash. That was a joke. Did you seriously not get it?
Actually, that wasn’t a joke.
I’m not sure he’ll reach Nash level ever, but as far as Delly growing offensively I can see the relationship. Nash has talked about having to learn how to get his shot up against larger defenders. And he has mentioned doing so by shortening his steps on layups around the rim. Delly is definately picking up that skill. He’s throwing his crazy high bank layup just a second before guys anticipate it now.
Oh I agree, I was just stating that the numbers weren’t a joke, as they looked similar in both their early years.
I stand corrected, I guess? I think Delly is way better (and has a higher ceiling) than people give him credit for, but not sure if I agree with the Steve Nash comparison.
Great lead-in with Thanksgiving! Keeping with the Delly and TT theme, I found a great analytical piece on the Delly-TT lob. BTW, was it ever decided on the “unofficial” name of the lob?
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2015/11/delly-tristan-thompson-alley-oop/
It is a source of heated debate, at the moment.
HOPING JR IS BACK IN UNIFORM TONIGHT ( AND WE GET “GOOD ” JR PERFORMANCE ) WILL BE A TOUGH CONTEST TONIGHT / UTAH WILL BE A FORCE ON DEFENSE —–NOT BEING A PESSIMIST BUT COULD SEE CAVS GOING 2-2 THE NEXT 4 GAMES ——WE ARE STILL MISSING KEY INGREDIENTS —GO CAVS !!
I agree. However, Delly’s defense at the beginning of the year last season should be discounted. The team was still trying to trap pick and rolls and giving up lots of confusion blow bys. I imagine his defense post January was probably Klay level. I’ll have to check when I get a chance.
If I’m remembering correctly Delly shot 40% percent from deep last season.
Yes, he is very good from 3, 39% for his career, just not Klay-good. Ran the defensive numbers from when the Cavs made the trades last year and started the 12 game winning streak at the Lakers, through the end of the year: Delly went from +0.2 to -0.1, surprisingly pretty negligible. Interestingly the 2 best Cavs over that period?? KLove and JR at -4.0 and -4.1. (players shot 4% worse when guarded by them than their normal shooting %)
Yes. JR has been a good defensive player since he came to Cleveland. And remember that JR is guarding starters while Delly is guarding backups.
In the last half of the forth quarter — crunch time — Delly is guarding one of the best players on the other team, and JR is sitting next to Kaun.
Interesting stats, taximike.. Delly is great at man defense on the perimeter and ball denial but he really struggles to defend in the post. If he really is going to rise to the level of defensive stopper, he needs to improve that.
All of these stats are making me worried about how much we are going to need to pay him next year. Hopefully, the cavs can convince him to take a discount a la Danny Green and the Spurs.
This is exhibit A to what the this blog has done. Delly is not a great man defender. He is no where near a defensive stopper.
He’s a nice backup guard who give his all. He’s not a starter, he’s not getting anywhere near Danny Green money.
Thanks CtB!
I’m not trolling. Delly is an above average defender in my opinion. Besides Tony Allen, Matt Barnes, I can’t think of any other player who besides Delly who can get guys heated enough to get techs from defense.
In the Finals Delly and Shump made GS work in the backcourt. They were a huge part of allowing LeBron to run LeOffense when our other two top scorers were injured.
I didn’t say he was a defensive stopper, I said if he wants to become one, he needs to improve his post defense. Nor did I say he will get Danny Green money. I said we might need to convince him to take a discount like the spurs did with Danny Green to keep him. This is a exhibit A of why you get trolled so often; pulling stuff out of context and then overreacting to it. Delly is a good man defender. He passes the eye test and his advanced metrics are beginning to show that. His offensive game… Read more »
Much like the small samples of turkey being giving away, you are giving us small sample sizes of turkey-ish stats. In the time it took you to write the article, Klay passed Delly in 3pt % this year. He shot 44% on 7 attempts a game last year (and never below 40% in his career), so he was going to pass him sooner rather than later. As far as Def. FG%, the last 2 years, players shot .2% (last year) and 1.4% (2 years ago) better when being guarded by Delly. When being guarded by Klay players shot 1.6% and… Read more »
GOOD JOB —YOU HAVE MADE ME HUNGRY FOR BOTH ” FOOD AND A CAVS NBA TITLE ” —-YES I THINK WE ARE ALL SURPRISED ( PLEASANTLY ) WITH T.T.’S PLAY SO FAR ( I PRESUME MOST FANS HAVE FORGIVEN HIS HOLDOUT )–DELLY JUST KEEPS ON AMAZING AND SILENCING ALL THE DOUBTERS ( COLS )—-CAN’Y WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE ” FULL TABLE OF FOOD / KY / SHUMP / AND EVEN J.R. )—–STILL THINK WE ARE MISSING THAT SPECIAL LITTLE ” SIDEDISH ” TO COMPLETE THE BANQUET / BELIEVE ” MASTER CHEF GRIFFIN ” WILL CONTINUE TO SEARCH THE CUPBARDS… Read more »