Looking In The Mirror
2015-12-17Tonight the Cleveland Cavaliers face what could be considered their first true test of the season in the Oklahoma City Thunder. Despite the improvement across the Eastern Conference this season, no other team is truly seen as a title contender, and the Cavaliers have yet to face any of the top teams in the West. That changes when LeBron James and company face a team that not only has championship aspirations, but is in many ways a distorted mirror image of the Cavaliers themselves.
The Cavaliers (16-7) and the Thunder (17-8) share similar solid record with some nice wins as well as some surprising losses—the Cavaliers to the Pelicans and Bucks, the Thunder to the Knicks and Rockets—that have seemingly put them a half-step behind the San Antonio Spurs and Golden State Warriors. Both teams are coached by men who made their names with success at other levels of the sport. Both are also built around a pair of elite forwards and a dynamic point guard. Both squads even have their own enigmatic gunners, scrappy foreign players, and veteran three-point shooters. Let’s take a look at each Cavalier and their counterpart with the Thunder.
David Blatt vs. Billy Donovan
Just as Blatt joined the Cavaliers a year ago after having tremendous success coaching overseas, Donovan began his first stint as an NBA coach after a wonderful collegiate coaching career at Florida. Now, like Blatt did a season ago, Donovan is finding that the adjustment to the NBA is greater than he may have originally expected. The Thunder are still a contender, but their head coach has yet to truly find his footing at this level. Edge: Blatt. Everything Donovan is going through this season, Blatt has already experienced.
LeBron James vs. Kevin Durant
Along with Stephen Curry, James and Durant are two of the three best players in the NBA, and Curry has only joined them at that level in the last year. Before last season, James and Durant had finished as the top two vote-getters for the MVP Award in three straight seasons and four of the previous five. Besides both men playing small forward as their primary position, they are both transcendent scorers who are elite in nearly every facet of the game. Durant is a better shooter, while LeBron is the better passer and defender, though not by much. Edge: James. Even though LeBron is older, Durant’s foot issues make him the greater health risk, but you’d thank the basketball gods every day for either one.
Kyrie Irving vs. Russell Westbrook
Both point guards are perennial All-Stars and overqualified second options who could easily be the primary scorer on a really good team. Both also have somewhat undeserved reputations for putting blinders on and going on scoring binges that may not be in the best interest of winning games. That’s pretty much where the similarities end. Irving is a terrific shooter who changes speeds and uses arguably the best handle in the league to get to the basket. Meanwhile, Westbrook may be the best athlete in the league. His sheer explosiveness and intensity are second to none. Edge: Westbrook. He’s a better rebounder and arguably a better passer than Irving. He also has far less of an injury history.
Kevin Love vs. Serge Ibaka
Both power forwards are seen by many as the third wheels in their respective Big Three, but that doesn’t make them any less important to their teams. Love and Ibaka have both improved as three-point shooters throughout their careers, and are two of the best “stretch fours” in the NBA. However each player really stands out at the opposite ends of the floor. Love is an amazing offensive player, who is also an incredible passer and the best post player in the league this season. He is a better rebounder than Ibaka, whose impact on the boards has dropped as he has become more of a floor spacer. Ibaka, may not be the offensive player that Love, is but he’s on a whole different planet as a defender, finishing in the top four in blocks per game each of the last four seasons and making three All-Defense teams. Edge: Love, although this is closer than many fans may realize.
Iman Shumpert vs. Andre Roberson
Shumpert and Roberson are great defenders and below average offensive players who are likely to be the regular starters at shooting guard for their respective teams as this season progresses. Shumpert has shot under 40% from the field for his career, is below average from beyond, the arc, and is a poor finisher who missed several wide open dunks last season. Compared to Roberson though, Shumpert is the second coming of Steve Nash. Edge: Shumpert. At least he can’t be completely ignored on offense.
J.R. Smith vs. Dion Waiters
Two notorious gunners and inconsistent defenders whose mental lapses sometimes make them more trouble than they’re worth, Smith and Waiters were essentially traded for one another last winter. When first reports of the trade went down and Smith was mentioned without Shumpert, I was a bit apprehensive that the Cavaliers were simply getting an older version of Waiters with more baggage, but I quickly found out several key differences. Smith have the same need to dominate the ball that Waiters does, and is willing to do his gunning from beyond the arc instead of two feet inside of it. Considering that Smith has shot over four percent higher from three than Waiters for his career, that difference in shot selection is huge. Edge: Smith. To borrow from Zach Lowe, I escaped from Waiters Island a long time ago.
Anderson Varejao vs. Nick Collison
These veteran big men are both in their twelfth seasons with their respective teams, an eternity in the world of professional sports. Varejao and Collison have had great careers as energy players of the bench whose teams have typically played much better when they are on the floor. Both men have been good defenders and smart, skilled offensive players throughout their careers, and both have seen their roles diminish in recent seasons. Peak Varejao was a better player the Peak Collison, but Collison has been the healthier player by far. Edge: Collison. If the Cavaliers win the title, there’s no player I’ll be happier for than Anderson Varejao, but you’ve got to be on the floor to make an impact, and Andy hasn’t been out there much the last five-plus seasons.
James Jones vs. Steve Novak
A pair of veteran forwards who offer great outside shooting a little else, Jones and Novak are practically mirror images of one another. Novak actually has a higher career mark from beyond the arc, but may be even more one dimensional than Jones. Both players are also nearing the end of the line. Edge: Jones. If nothing else, his reputation as a leader is well-documented.
Tristan Thompson vs. Enes Kanter
Kanter and Thompson were the third and fourth picks, respectively, in the 2011 NBA Draft, and were also the recipients of two of the most talked about contracts of the offseason. Despite their large paychecks, both players continue to come off the bench, but that’s where the similarities end. Kanter is a skilled scorer and solid rebounder who is one of the worst defensive big men in the league. As a result, he tends to be a net negative on the floor. Thompson is an elite rebounder and improving defender who can both bang with big men and switch onto perimeter players, but isn’t a scoring threat outside of finishing on the pick-and-roll and putbacks. Edge: Thompson. Give me the player who actually has a positive impact on the court.
Matthew Dellavedova vs. Steven Adams
If you thought Adams would match up with Timofey Mozgov as foreign-born centers who don’t play heavy minutes, think again. Adams is obviously the counterpart of Dellavedova, and not just because they come from the same area of the world. Dellavedova and Adams both have reputations as effective, physical players who straddle the line between competitive and dirty, at least in the eyes of some of their opponents. It’s not uncommon for either player to irritate the opposition to the point that they lose their cool and are ready to fight, and their teammates wouldn’t have it any other way. Edge: Adams. Delly has been great this year, but 22 year old centers who have a real impact on the game are pretty special.
Mo Williams vs. D.J. Augustin
A pair of scoring point guards who give back most of their offensive impact on the defensive end, Williams and Augustin could both eventually wind up on the outside of their team’s rotations. With Kyrie Irving returning soon, Williams will be battling for minutes with Dellavedova, Shumpert, Smith and Richard Jefferson, while Augustin is competing for time with Waiters, Roberson, and Anthony Morrow. Regardless, both players are still viable veterans and provide solid depth for their teams. Edge: Draw. Augustin would likely be the more effective player in heavy minutes at this point, but Williams fits better with the Cavaliers’ second unit than Augustin does with the Thunder.
Timofey Mozgov vs. Kyle Singler
Unfortunately, Mozgov and Singler are connected by the disappointing seasons each player has had thus far. Coming of offseason knee surgery, Mozgov had been a shell of himself this season before finally beginning to turn things around with last Friday’s game against the Orlando Magic. Singler signed a 5-year $25 million contract with the Thunder in the offseason, and figured to be a key rotation player. He is currently averaging 2.1 points per game while shooting 24.1% from the floor and 19.4% from three. Edge: Mozgov. He’s been a bit disappointing, but Singler’s been horrific.
Richard Jefferson vs. Anthony Morrow
Veteran sharpshooters on the wing, both Jefferson and Morrow also have defensive concerns. Morrow has never been a great defender, and Jefferson has slipped with age. While Jefferson has certainly had the better career overall, he is five years older than Morrow, and near the end of his career. Edge: Morrow. Given the age difference, there’s a far greater chance Morrow continues his current level of play, which is very important to his team.
Jared Cunningham, Sasha Kaun, and Joe Harris vs. Cameron Payne, Mitch McGary, and Josh Huestis
These players will likely comprise the end of their respective team’s benches when each squad is fully healthy, and to be honest, I haven’t seen enough of any of them this year outside of Cunningham to make specific comparisons. Both groups are made up of two perimeter players and one big man, with the OKC trio seemingly having more upside. Edge: Thunder. Mitch McGary seems like he could be good rotation big. I’m not sure any of the other guys will ever be real rotation players on a good playoff team.
Obviously these comparisons aren’t perfect, but the similarities between these two teams are arguably more noticeable than any other two teams in the NBA. Of course, the biggest similarity between both squads is their mutual goal of bringing their respective cities and organizations their first NBA Championship. As long as each team has its Big Three available come playoff time, then they will have a real chance to do so.
Also, I give the end of the bench edge to Cavs. Having a guy who can do one thing really well helps those guys carve out a role. Cavs have that with Cunningham’s D. Also progressing as a corner three shooter. Nice piece, Mike.
Gotta say, I put Kawhi at three, ahead of Durant. Finals. MVP, defense, and relative health give Leonard the edge.
In fact, I might put Westbrook ahead of Durant too.
CONGRATS TO SHUMP AND FAMILY —-GOOD ” ASSIST ‘ TO GO ALONG WITH NO TURN OVER DURING THE DELIVERY —YOU THE MAN !!—ENJOY YOUR TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY —HURRY BACK AND GET ( STAY ) HEALTHY
Will Cols be doing the play-by-play with Tommy Heinsohn tonight?
Probably the greatest assist that Shump has ever made…
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14389883/iman-shumpert-cleveland-cavaliers-helps-deliver-daughter-bathroom
Wow. He can give those headphones to his daughter when she’s old enough.
YOU THINK WE MIGHT SEE MDN GET MORE MINUTES TONIGHT VS WESTBROOK / WOULD BE A GOOD BAROMETER TO SEE HOW WELL MDN CAN DEFEND —AND HOW VALUABLE WE THINK HE IS LONG TERM FOR THE CAVS / COULD HELP IN DECISION TIME COME JAN 10TH
No one can cover Westbrook. Dude is outstanding.
Has it been confirmed that Shump will not play?
First known sighting of LeBron as an expert in Computer Science:
https://dzone.com/articles/4-lessons-on-agile-teamwork-from-lebron-james?edition=126152&utm_source=Daily%20Digest&utm_medium=email&utm_content=DZone%20Daily%20Digest&utm_campaign=dd%202015-12-17&userid=368239
Let’s all take a breath and not throw dirt on the Cavs before the game has even tipped off… Yes, OKC has been on a good win streak lately, but they haven’t been exactly world beaters this year… They’ve lost games to the Knicks and the Rockets, and they’ve lost three of the four games they’ve played on the road against EC teams. They are also on the second night of a back-to-back. It will be a tough test without Shump and Kyrie, but the Cavs still have plenty of firepower to take on the Thunder. Also, LeBron is 15-4… Read more »
Yep. Cavs are good even without kyrie and Shump. Hopefully LeBron goes for 50.
Not having Shump or Kyrie is gonna hurt tonight.
It would be fun if Mozzy and Tristan can step up their interior play and we can turn this into a grind-out slugfest in the paint. A fella can dream, of course…
Good article, Mike. There are a lot of fair comparisons… however, overall I don’t believe the Thunder have that extra gear on defense that the Cavs do. I also don’t believe in their talent beyond Durant and Westbrook. Ibaka is a nice piece, but he’s closer to a version of TT that can score better than he is to KLove. They had their big three when they still had Harden, and they blew it up…
Extra gear on offense too. Haven’t watched much OKC this year but I believe we’re much more fluid than their team. I’ve seen us go Spurs-esque on that end.
I’ll give OKC the better 1-2 punch only because we don’t have Kyrie yet. But all things considered I think we have more fire power..
Very disappointing not to have Kyrie or Shump in this game. Thunder is coming from a back to back tonight. It will help a little. But not to the level of having both of them in the game. I feel betrayed from the media leading us on for weeks that Kyrie would be back by this time.” It’s just around the corner. Kyrie is storming the FO and demanding to play. Kyrie is P.O.” What the hell was all of that about? But in fairness, the media was most likely led on as well.
Chris Haynes (who seems to be the closest to the team these days) has maintained that he has been saying Sunday against Philly for a while… I think it’s been more the national media who has been speculating this Thursday matchup with OKC… To be fair, I also expected/predicted it would be today, and lost a bet over it…
I’m sure Kyrie has been pushing the F.O. to play… they most likely want to protect him from having to start out against the guy that Kyrie himself has called “the toughest guy for me to cover”
Yeah probably. I’m just bummed because I will be at this game tonight. I bought the tickets really believing he would play. But I’m hardly alone. Those flasheats went up in price once it was circulating Kyrie would be back.
I hope you still see a great game TV… Bring the #CavsKarma!
I’m a lazy stat digger.. But didn’t Ky always play great against Westbrook? He even hit a gems winner against him a few years back
I’m not going to bash the article, good write up anyways.. But I just want to state a point for everyone.. You stated Durant is better shooter while Lebron is the better passer and defender, though not by much Do you mean not by much as a defender? There I agree. But despite what the stats say (this year or any) Lebron is a superior passer / floor general compared to Durant. Or Kobe and Jordan for that matter. The other three might be a bit better in scoring overall, but Lebron will wipe the floor on all of them… Read more »
Jordan was a great defender. Jordan > LeBron in almost everyting. But LeBron> every other NBA player ever except for Jrodan
I agree at least since the Merger. Also as a side note. Curry might be capable of an incredible 4 year stretch I doubt he’ll ever go down with the greats like, Lebron, Jordan, Shaq, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell and Kobe because he’s already 27. Point Guards don’t stay in their primes past 30. Chris Paul’s prime ended already and he’s only 30. He’ll play and be great for much longer but each of those guys had a decade where they were the best player in either the entire game or at least their conference. Curry will have max 5… Read more »
Yeah.. But I’m talking about the combination of elite scoring and elite passing.
And I agree that MJ > LBJ.
But Lebron was the better playmaker.
Disagree with Cols: If LeBron got the foul calls that Jordan got, he would be averaging 10 or 15 more points a game, and there would be no comparison. Jordan went to the line if the other team played any D at all, and he never got called for anything. LeBron gets pummeled all the way down the court a dozen times a game, with no foul called, and sometimes get charging called while he is getting mugged. The reason Jordan is held in such high regard is that the league decided to hitch its marketing wagon to him, and… Read more »
Never heard that thing about Larry Johnson. But you’re right the league marketed MJ as what he is.. That can also be said about Shaq, Kobe, Lebron and like it or not.. Curry is coming in. They all benefited from it.
I have never heard anything like that about Johnson, and it doesn’t make any sense, anyway. Jordan didn’t ‘come along’ and spoil some marketing plan – Jordan was a superstar long before Johnson even came into the league.
MJ was not a better passer than LBJ… also not a better rebounder… also, couldn’t guard 4s and 5s like LBJ can…
I also don’t know how close they are on defense. Lebron when he turns it on is a top 2 wing defender in the NBA. His full game stats are pretty great too. Maybe Durant has evolved on that end but I’m skeptical he’s even close to Lebron
I’m going Lebron as a slightly better one. Versatility edges it for me.
It’s out of topic.. And I know this is obvious to everyone. I just want to say it again. That combination of elite scoring+ elite passing, only Lebron.
TMac did it on his prime but that’s a short span..
Magic is a great scorer, not as elite as Lebron..
Bird is a great passer, not as elite as Lebron..
Was really looking forward to this one. For years we compared the Cavs rebuilding model to OKC’s and it looked like a complete failure effort during 2013, then the planets aligned and all of the bad decisions led to it all fitting perfectly in place. Nice job guy.
Edge Cleveland.
LeBron>>Druant
Agree with Cols.