The Point Four-ward: The Long Road Back (At) Home
2016-01-20Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) From the moment the words came out of Jeff Van Gundy’s mouth, I had a bad feeling about Monday’s game. During the broadcast of the Cavs/Rockets game from Houston on Friday night, the former Knicks and Rockets head coach was asked if, when he was a coach, he worried about where his team’s head was at during the final game of a long road trip. Was it a concern that the team had already checked out and were busy mentally reclining the seats on board the plane chartered to take them — at long last — home?
Van Gundy responded in two ways and neither one left me feeling secure about the Cavs’ Martin Luther King Jr. Day match-up with the Golden State Warriors.
He said that, more so than the final game of the trip, he was usually concerned with the first game back home. After nearly two weeks of constant travel, players tend to take their foot off the gas in order to recover from the inevitable fatigue that comes with criss-crossing this country like a brassiere. Also, while home definitely has its comforts, being back around family and friends can distract the players as they play catch-up with the duties and responsibilities they had to put on hold to take to the road.
In short, there are times when the road team can arguably have an advantage and the Cavs were hosting the Warriors on just such an occasion.
2.) But Van Gundy wasn’t done. He immediately qualified his previous statement, pointing out that if you had a team that was “serious” and “professional,” you should always expect them to show up ready to play.
That may be the most frustrating part for the Cavs, who allowed the game to turn into a drubbing that turned into a nearly-historic 132-98 loss. Just one game after everyone — players, coaches, fans, and media — were patting the Cavs on their collective back for a 5-1 road trip that was supposedly evidence of the team’s increasing maturity and mental toughness, they were quick to come unglued when the Warriors — and Steph Curry, in particular — started the game hot. The Warriors’ passing and movement on offense left the Cavs defense looking like a Lake Erie perch filleted and ready to fry. When the ball went the other way, the Cavs couldn’t help but hang their heads as every missed shot and turnover become quick and easy points for the Warriors.
Of course, this is what the Warriors can do. In the first half, the Cavs shot a respectable 46.3% from the floor (though only 1-4 from three), were only out-rebounded by one, were even on points in the paint (26) and found themselves down by 30 near the end of the second quarter. Yes, the officiating was extremely questionable, but the Cavs let that, along with the Warriors hot hands (61.9% from the field in the first quarter, including 63.9% from three) turn this one into a laugher (or, for us CtBers, a crier) real quick.
It was just one game. Yes, it was just one game. But it happened to be just one game in which the Cavs showed nothing even close to resembling championship caliber toughness, mental or otherwise.
3.) From the Akron-Beacon Journal’s Jason Lloyd:
“One veteran was talking before the game about developing a consistent style and sticking to it. The Cavs have a tendency to drift, to adopt a win-at-all-costs mentality. Sometimes their superior talent is enough to pull out victories against inferior teams. But the elite teams, the teams the Cavs compare themselves against, never waver from their system. The Spurs didn’t on Thursday. The Warriors didn’t Monday. They play the way they play, and while it might occasionally cost them a victory in the short term, they’re better off for it long term because of their identity.”
That’s something we’ve talked about here at CtB seemingly ad nauseam. In each of the Cavs losses to the Warriors (0-2) and the Spurs (0-1) the ball stopped moving the moment the Cavs sensed trouble. They seemed unable (or unwilling) to run a play to get any sort of easy looks. Even when LeBron James tried to take the ball inside, he was swarmed by defenders and was forced into shots that looked more like prayers than strong shots taken with confidence.
While a clear offensive system has yet to present itself (and may never to everyone’s complete satisfaction with ball-dominant stars like James and Kyrie Irving) it was the Cavs defense — particularly what’s been on display by Irving and Kevin Love — that has hurt this team the most this past week. When this team defends well, it tends to play with greater swagger on the offensive end. When they get rolled on defense, though, and the calls aren’t coming on the other end… that’s when this team starts to panic.
And panic, for this team, has a name: LeISO.
4.) But the good news is… wait a second, there’s good news?!
Yes, there is. The good news is that the Cavs get a tuneup game in Brooklyn tonight against a Nets team that has dropped eight of its last ten games, recently fired its coach and GM and doesn’t control its own first round pick until 2057 (I think). This is the same Brooklyn team the Cavs allowed to play them tough earlier this season, but — Monday’ game not withstanding — this is a better Cavs team than the Nets saw in December and it’s a team that must show that it has become mentally tougher this season by pulling off a really tricky task: both having a short memory and letting Monday’s game go as well as using that debacle to continue to grow together and improve as a team.
Following the Nets game, the Cavs kick off a four-game home stand with a couple of nice tests when they play host to the Los Angeles Clippers on Thursday and the Chicago Bulls on Saturday. Hopefully, the Cavs will be comfortable in The Q — and in their own homes — in time for those two.
David Blatt says Mon loss makes Cavs address what went wrong and move on..”hope to come out with fire every game” — Fred McLoed
Why “hope to”? Why not “we’re going to”?
Because it’s a long season and sometimes you just aren’t going to have it. I do not want the Cavs to be playoff level intensity for the every game. Until the playoffs
That wasn’t my point… my point is that Blatt says these kinds of things…
The attitude of cowards…
I bet you think it’s genius when the Spurs do it.
Mark Price list as #94th best NBA player by ESPN All-Time NBA Rank.
Several players with Cavs ties are in the 91-100 list: Price, as you mention, Kemp, Love, Thurmond and Lenny Wilkens.
Windy’s column: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14610328/windhorst-cavs-need-get-kevin-love-involved
Zach Lowe discusses Kevin Love and other stuff with coach Thorpe on his latest pod…haven’t listened yet, but should be good.
You know what that game reminded me of – it was like watching a small college team playing UNLV back in the day, when they were loaded. Or like watching a tiny high school basketball team play the state champs, and it’s just men against boys. I don’t remember seeing an NBA team that is supposed to be good get rolled at home like that, that looked that helpless. All we can hope is that it serves as a wakeup call.
This is such a fantastic article about the game. http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/kevin-love-lebron-james-cleveland/
The Warriors didn’t let the Cavs (or us fans) breathe.
That’s what was so different about this game.
I’ve never seen anything like that.
Hey, I just read that. That is a good article. But then almost every Joe Posnanski article is a good one.
To heck with all this psychoanalyzing though, let’s just destroy the Nets tonight and move on with this season.
Agree with Cols.
Cols are you gonna be live blogging during the Nets game?
Nope. I’m not watching it. The streaming has been terriible lately so it’s hard to watch games not on national teevee. I’m going to be running on the treadmill watching Jessica Jones. But I’ll check the score a lot and read the panicked comments if we get down by 4 or more points at any point in the game.
What if they get down by 40?
Box Score Cols!!!!!!
Is that what that movie “Box Trolls” is about?
Nice piece, as per usual, Robert. I have to say some of this is on Blatt. He needs to deliver some butt chewing like we’ve seen in the international videos. If your team is going to give up, you might as well go out with your own style. I don’t know. Maybe it has to come from within. But whatever it is, the Cavs got embarrassed. Like to see Love do a couple things: put the ball on the floor and pause at the free throw line. He can pull up there, drive, or pass when guys close hard on… Read more »
“chewing out”
Like this is the 1980s or a high school team. Sorry dude, that stuff doesn’t fly with modern athletes. In case you haven’t noticed, the coaches that get results today are the ones that can identify with their players. Yelling at them or embarrassing them is a horrible idea.
I think a lot of fans wish *they* could yell at the Cavs over last game. Obviously that can’t happen, so they’re hoping Blatt will do it instead. Even though it might not be the best leadership move right now.
Butt chewing is not necessarily yelling or embarrassing them. It’s making people accountable. Blatt rarely does that with LeBron, at least publicly. Glad you silently acknowledged that James is a grade below Draymond right now.
That’s ridiculous. LeBron is still in the conversation for best in the world. Draymond is just the perfect piece in the perfect slot for that Warriors team. If they swapped teams, the Warriors would still be dominant (even more than they are now) and the Cavs would be terrible.
Yes, well, Nate hates LeBron. This is well documented.
It’s how well you play. Not how well you did play or could play that determines who’s the best. Right now, Draymond is better.
He’s not playing better. He’s put in situations that are a hell of a lot easier. If you think the Steph/Draymond pick and roll is deadly, you’re failing to imagine what that play would look like with LeBron.
You can’t compare LBJ with a “second-fiddle” player on any team. This is the same logic that leads to people saying Klay is better than Harden or Jimmy Butler.
Without Steph Curry, Draymond turns back into a pumpkin. Without half the team, LeBron single-handedly won two games in the finals last year.
The situations he’s put in are mainly because he’s willing and able to play within an offense. Lebron has always just wanted to do his pick and rolls and isos….that’s what he’s comfortable with. Because of that, I wouldn’t be surprised if Green is better on that Warriors team than Lebron would be in his place. I don’t think Green is the better player (doubt Nate feels that way, either, he was just trolling Cols), but he sure as hell was the better player Monday night.
@MikeO: I’m always kind of skeptical when people say things like that, though. Like Popp says: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FjfJdsWM3A
Can any of us really claim to know more about basketball than LeBron? And given that we don’t know nearly as much, how are we able to judge him? It’s like if someone went up to Magnus Carlsen on the street and tried to give him chess advice.
I’m sure Pop thinks Lebron is a great player, but I’ll just say he’s probably pretty happy he never had to be his coach…
Did you watch the clip? It’s just a minute and a half.
Yes, or rather, once I saw what it was I didn’t watch it, since I remember it from when it happened live. I’ll stand by my comment.
The point about Kyrie is the most disturbing. His inconsistent play has definitely seemed more mental than anything — it’s not like his game has ever been based on superior athleticism, so I don’t think it has anything to do with being “75%” or any other percent of the way to being “back”. It seems like what you said, he doesn’t know the playbooks. If so, makes you wonder what he was doing all those months spent rehabbing…
How about getting his leg in shape. That’s what he was doing. It’s one thing to look at a playbook and another to run through it or get live game experience. The same with D. He has only been crashing into screens a couple of weeks now. Lebron put it best, you guys want instant oatmeal.
Agree with this. Lateral quickness on defense is the hardest thing to get back following any type of knee injury…
I don’t mean to downplay how tough it must be to rehab from a broken kneecap. I just mean that he’s had a lot of time off the court this season to enhance the mental side of his game, and yeah, maybe we just haven’t necessarily seen the results of it.
I’ll put it this way: Slow-cooked steel-cut oatmeal is a hearty, healthy breakfast of champions — I don’t want the cheap instant oatmeal but I expect to see signs that the stove is lit.
Love this comment. The pilot light is out.
Obviously Blatt being the coach needs to shoulder a lot of the responsibility, but ultimately it is a player’s league and when it’s coach vs superstar the superstar will win every time. Blatt can chew out as many players as he likes, but will probably end up getting him canned. If it is the case that the only way the Cavs can beat the best in the west is to implement a true offensive “system”, then the only way to achieve this if LeBron unequivocally buys in.
I feel bad for LeBron. He came back to Cleveland in part because he thought he’d have teammates that would help him better than what a broken Wade and Bosh gave him his last year in Miami. Instead he had to carry the entire team last post-season and then in the two biggest games of the year so far he’s gotten very little help from Kyrie and Love.
Those two had better step it up. The good thing is that they have great track records and 4 months to get there. I think they do it.
I feel bad for Delly. He gets a bad rap for being dirty, when he’s not at all dirty. The NBA polled crybaby Al Horfords family to get this propaganda out there.
His play against Taj Gibson was definitely dirty. But yeah, he’s probably not the dirtiest player in the NBA.
Lebron is not innocent in all of this. Yes he has scored more points but his game is not championship level either. Yes I know he another gear but he is has to improve as the leader by running a more team offense.
Those two are both coming back from pretty serious injuries. Kyrie said in the off season that he was going to change his play style a bit and not throw his body around as much. I think that has contributed to his dribbling around without results.
I think KLove is still a bit self-conscious and doesn’t play with the abandon that he did with the t-wolves.
I think LeBron could get more help from Kyrie and Love if he were willing to actually use Blatt’s offense. It’s hard to consistently help when you’re not touching the ball on half of possessions. And, please don’t say that Blatt doesn’t have an offensive system that will succeed. Go all the way back to the second game of the season in Memphis. We were up by 30 in the first half and the ball movement was outstanding. Love got the ball in positions to succeed, and LeBron didn’t isolate so heavily. Take the game in Orlando on Dec 11.… Read more »
Pretty much agree with all of this. I hope LeBron realizes at some point that he won’t have to work so hard on offense if he actually works within the offense. All those one-on-three and one-on-four drives have to wear an old man down.
They moved the ball really well in the first half of the Spurs game. The crap they were doing in the Warriors game was unrecognizable as basketball.
I BELIEVE ONE BIG THING IN OUR FAVOR IS THAT WE HOPEFULLY CAN BREEZE THRU THE EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS —RESTED AND UNSCATHED WHILE OUT WEST IT WILL BE A BATTLE FOR SURVIVAL EACH SERIES WEARING ( MENTALLY/ PHYSICALLY / EMOTIONALLY ) DOWN THE PLAYERS — I FEEL THIS AS AN ADVANTAGE FOR THE CAVS / AND AS AN EQUALIZER VS POSSIBLY MORE TALENTED TEAMS ( COLS I DID SAY POSSIBLY MORE TALENTED )—–HEY ” GET YOUR FINGER OUT OF EVIL’S NOSE “
If this was a boxing/mma one-night tournament, yes, that would benefit the Cavs. Only problem is that this is basketball and unless the west champ plays a back to back from winning the west, to playing the Cavs, they will get their rest and will be even more mentally prepared.
As iron sharpens iron…
Worst thing that can happen for the Cavs is to not be challenged once more throughout the season/playoffs. They needed a reality check like Monday and hopefully they grow from it.
The only thing, and I hate to say this, is a major injury to one of the main players on the West. Then yeah, I can see how that will benefit the Cavs.
I agree Nomad…GSW and Spurs will likely face each other….and it could be a grueling battle that takes a lot out of the winner. Cavs, at least on paper, should have any easier time of getting to the finals.
I feel bad for Love. Everyone piles on him but Kyrie was just as, if not more, awful in that game. Really beyond JR, and LeBron and Andy, no one else seemed to bring any sort of plan into the game.
Kyrie still has the excuse of not being 100% coming back from injury… Kev seems to have regressed a bit from the form he showed earlier in the season…
I’m with Cols here — I blame Kyrie more than Love. Love and LeBron proved they could play well off each other and you’re exactly right, Love has regressed, not coincidentally since Kyrie’s return.
I mean, this is year 5 for Kyrie and we’re still talking about how he needs to become more of a true PG and someone who makes players around him better.
Really? I don’t see vines, gifs and whole articles dedicated to displaying Kyrie’s lapses on defense… And, defense (especially lateral quickness) is usually the last thing that returns after a knee injury…
Right, because for some reason people have decided to pile on Kevin Love instead of pointing out Kyrie’s disappearing act vs the GSW and SAS.
And yes, he’s injured, but still 80% Kyrie is better than what he’s given us the past two games.
I’m not excusing Kyrie for bad D… far from it. Just giving the reasons why people are probably not piling on as much as they are with Love. Also, the guys Kyrie has had to defend in those two games (Parker and Curry) generally torch just about everyone they face, so Ky probably also is being given more of a pass on that front…
It’s not to say that Love’s awful defense is excusable, but again he did not look nearly that bad at the beginning of the season when we all lauded his improved positioning/arm raising. Kyrie’s return has obviously thrown Love into a funk, just like stretches of last year.
It can’t be easy for an offensive savant to stay engaged on defense when he’s being neglected on offense by his PG (whose responsibility includes setting up teammates).
I agree with both sides, meaning they are all to blame equally. Kyrie needs to facilitate more and Kevin needs to step up more on defense. Lebron needs to model the way and Blatt needs to get more fired up and show some real energy on fixing this. I must say after watching that ugly clip of his defense I have other thoughts other than Kevin is lost. They all sucked on that play, check out Moz practically hugging Bogut away from ball, Shump loses awareness of where the ball is and Irving makes a lousy attempt to switch which… Read more »
And as many others have pointed out, here’s where we get back to the issue of (hopefully) competent coaching and (hopefully) players listening.
Agree with this. Kyrie is coming back from injury, true, but he has sucked for the most part. And he’s been pretty selfish per usual, too, something Love hasn’t been. I watched the Spurs game again, Love played pretty solid defense till he got burned a few times late. Kyrie was prety terrible on D in that game. Pretty tired of Love taking all the heat.
Great points, Robert. In addition to the JVG comments about teams coming off of a long road trip, the other comments that made me wonder were Blatt’s with regard to the Cavs’ lethargic practice session on Sunday. It was almost as if he was setting up the excuses a day in advance. From that perspective, the Cavs sure didn’t look as ready or as interested in competing as the Warriors did. The other thing that I don’t think has been mentioned much, was that Golden State was coming off their biggest and most embarrassing loss of the season to the… Read more »
Evil, I love what you bring to CtB, but could you guys maybe re-evaluate the use of the “Donkey” nickname? I can’t stand Draymond and I get the reference, but calling him Donkey comes off as base and just seems “off” when compared to the usual tone and quality of your writing. Just my thoughts.
Sorry Matt… I really can’t help myself. There isn’t a player I despise more in the league today than that guy…
And I wasn’t the first (or the last) to call him this… You can’t deny the resemblance to a certain sidekick from Shrek…
But okay, I’ll try and refrain from calling him that in the future. Do you have a problem with any of these alternatives?
Braymond
D-Bag Green
Everybody Hates Draymond
I’ve gone to Braymond, personally. Seems to fit like a glove.
Braymond works well since he’s loves making noise on court too.
How bout Diarrhea-mond Brown
(I’m 5 years old)
EG – I really think the “Love and Kyrie are terrible at Defense” narrative is too simplistic. Windy loves that one because it doesn’t require much thought. For example, the BEST DEFENSIVE LINEUP IN THE NBA THIS YEAR has Kevin Love on it (see link below). He is also part of the 20th best defensive lineup. I am not saying this is proof he is a good defender in isolation. But’s its evidence that he can be PART of a very dominant defensive team if the TEAM plays their roles well. http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1 Just like lots of this stuff, people fixate… Read more »
Sorry, Hot Sauce… you can’t tell me you thought their defense against GS was up to par… you just can’t…
And did you happen to read Ben Golliver’s article recapping Love’s issues in the second half of the Spurs game? Hard to argue with…
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/01/15/spurs-cavaliers-finals-matchup-lebron-james-kevin-love-defense
EG –
My whole point is that relying on evidence from one game, or a series of possessions, is flawed. You then responded to that point by citing eviedence from a series of possessions from a single game. I am not sure what to say.
Again, the fact that they played a bad game defensively against GSW on Monday does not mean they are bad at defense IN GENERAL. In 8 of the last 9 games against GSW, we have played them exceptionally well denfesnively. That pattern should carry more weight than one game.
How many of those GS games did Kevin Love play in? How about Kyrie? My point is that I actually don’t believe that either one of them are playing good defense. I’m the first to point out if I see a good defensive play by either one of them. Part of that comes from the expectation I have that they won’t play defense all that well in general. I think they both have the ability to do so, but they both have bad habits that they have had to (and still have to) overcome on the defensive end. This is… Read more »
I wish I had time to go back through every game and pull out every instance where Kevin has made a poor defensive play or rotation… or every instance of Kyrie reverting to “flypaper Kyrie” and gets stuck on a screen… But that’s more hours than I have in a day. I thought Golliver (who I don’t think has the kind of agenda some other national media writers have based on his articles), made a pretty compelling case with those six plays from the second half of the game against the Spurs. And, truth be told… who cares about how… Read more »
KI played in 4 of the games, 3 of which we played great D. Love played in 3 of the games, 2 of which we played great D. The beuaty of lineup statistics is that you don’t have to waste your time looking at every instance where Love played poor D. Instead, you can aggregate over hundres of plays across hundreds of minutes of action all at once and see if, on net, Love tends to help the D. As it turns out, K-Love is part of the 7TH BEST 3-Man Lineup IN THE WHOLE LEAGUE, along with Delly and… Read more »
Analytics aren’t the be all and end all to me, especially when my eyes tell me different. I’m not subscribing to the national media narrative… I’m watching the games with my own eyes and making this assessment. And, on my own viewing experience, I currently don’t believe that either Kevin or Kyrie aren’t a detriment to playing elite D against elite teams… I certainly believe that can change for the better, but right now, I’m just not seeing it…
I am not doing any analytics. I am literally presenting summary statistics of “what your eyes see.” There is nothing complex about this. I am just asking: do the Cavs give up less points (controlling for pace) when Love plays vs. when he doesn’t?
You can call it analytics to try to make it sound controversial. But the stats I am showing you are literally just a systematic logging of “what your eyes see.”
Also, the lineups with KLove, LBJ and Moz and KLove, LBJ and JR are much much worse than the one that includes Delly…
And Kyrie hasn’t played enough games to be factored into any of those three man stats… I wonder what an LBJ, KLove, Kyrie three man line would look like from the 14 games Kyrie has played…?
To clarify… “you” aren’t doing any analytics… merely using them to present the argument you’re putting forth… And these are aggregate statistics over the course of the season… not aggregate statistics in games against elite teams… or even say playoff level teams… I won’t argue that Love hasn’t been better in the early going defensively this season, but he seems to have regressed greatly since Kyrie returned. And Kyrie has been patently awful since he’s been back on defense, which I believe is a combination of not only being rusty coming back (lateral movement is usually the last thing that… Read more »
I disagree, but, alas, you have worn me down :) At least we are winning tonight!
This is part of the vine-ification of the NBA.
It’s also the driving force behind what I call “The Delly Effect”.
Yeah, Delly is a big piece of it for sure. Great defender.
So you agree that the arguments by people like Windy that Love’s defense makes him “unplayable” if he is not dominating on offense are insane, right?
I certainly agree that saying that is ridiculous, but it’s not ridiculous to say that he’s unplayable against some lineups. When GS trots out their smallball lineup, I think he’s almost unplayable, unless they are getting big contributions on the offensive side. He can’t match up against Braymond, and they can’t hide him, as GS will just relentlessly attack him anyway on pick and rolls.
Or was “The Delly Effect” essentially created by the comments made by Reggie Miller on national TV?
Coach Thorpe on Lowe’s podcast sort of laughed off that notorious vine of Love against GS, pointing out that everyone was using it to ridicule Love without even mentioning that Shumpert looked even more ridiculous in that same vine, as he didn’t even know where the ball was. People can point the finger at Love’s defense in that game, but almost everyone sucked on D in that game, from Lebron on down.
I do not understand this stuff. We all saw this team dominate last playoffs. Quit questioning the desire and heart of the team, they obviously know how and when to turn it on. I think they were surprised at how fast the GSW started and things snowballed and then once you are down 30 points, it was give up time. It’s not an ongoing problem. This team wins a lot of games and has an extra gear for the playoffs. That gets them to the Finals, and I’m not betting against a LeBron, Kyrie, Love team in the Finals. They… Read more »
Correction: we saw this team dominate the Celtics last playoffs. Then we saw the Love-less Cavs crush the Bulls and Hawks with half a Kyrie. Then we saw LeBron and change nearly take a 3-0 lead in the Finals. That’s why we have to take last year with a grain of salt — we will be navigating uncharted territory in the playoffs with a fully healthy team. There’s no question the Warrior have improved this year but there’s also no question our best games against them recently have not featured Kyrie nor Love. I’m not gonna go so far as… Read more »
Yes. It would be nice if Blatt would start doing his job.
Or if the players started listening to Blatt. Chicken or egg?
Part of the coach’s job is to get his players to listen to him. It’s on the coach.
And, it doesn’t even matter whose fault it is. You don’t back a seemingly average coach over Kyrie, Love, and LeBron.
In school, just because you have a bad teacher doesn’t mean you don’t strive for all A’s. So part of it has to be on the players for not listening. Unless they ARE listening and Blatt’s that bad of a coach — that’s why I bring up the chicken or egg thing because we have no way of knowing.
Like I said, I’m open to the not listening argument, but it doesn’t matter from an operational standpoint. If they aren’t listening you still get rid of the coach before getting rid of great players.
BTW, I’m really not advocating getting rid of Blatt, just that we do need to start thinking that maybe he isn’t up to the task from an offensive perspecitve. Defensively his adjustments in the playoffs last year were great.
I hear what you’re saying. The Big Three aren’t going anywhere and it’s far easier to replace a coach. We could also probably all agree that replacing Blatt at this stage would most likely set the Cavs back on their goal of hitting their peak by June.
SO if Blatt isn’t going anywhere and if the players aren’t being reached… Well, I dunno.
Yeah, I dunno either. I guess we hope Blatt figures it out and Cavs win it all. If they don’t, it’s time to make a change.
I agree that it’s crazy to question this team’s toughness after last year’s playoffs. People have short memories. Oh well.
I am very excited to see how the Cavs respond over the next couple weeks against LAC, Bulls, SAS. Gonna be a lot of fun. This team loves adversity.
Think Griffin could get Doc to bite on a Kevin Love – Blake Griffin swap? Damn, if only we had a former Celtic to include as bait…
in all honesty I wonder about the defensive schemes. If the scheme is so aggressive it exposes a key player’s weaknesses (i.e., Love) that’s probably not a good strategy. Not saying I can solve that puzzle but no one pays me to coach bball
Griffin’s not a plus defender, man.
to be fair, there is a damned good reason I am not an NBA GM. Kind of just wanted to make the most absurd proposal possible, but you’re right didn’t really analyze Griffin D enough
Eh. Still have the 3rd best record in the entire NBA. They will get it right.
The 3rd best record gets the Cavs the Eastern Confeence, and a finals loss to GS or San Antonio. Cavs will only “get it right” if they make the changes that ESPN’s Legler takes about in the podcast. And getting it right means the best chance to win the championship, and not just dominating the East.
Good stuff Robert. It keeps things in perspective. Looking at the schedule I don’t see more than a handful of tough games that are backed up to one another. The Cavs will cruise to the East playoffs. I will say after watching the last two losses that something is up with Love. There were a few times the ball was kicked to him and he slowly gathered it. He could have jacked a 3 or faked and gone to the rim. Many times his man was on his back foot for at least a one-count. Many times it was only… Read more »
After stewing on it I decided that the failure to bench some of the starters in Monday’s game when they clearly didn’t come to play should be reason enough to let Blatt go. There’s just no excuse for a coach not to have the power/gall to bench the star players on his team. How are players like Andy and Delly, whose game is predicated on hustle and savvy, supposed to feel when other players who try less hard and refuse to implement their coaching earn minutes simply for being more talented? Where is the accountability on this team?? Not to… Read more »
Basically, we’ve got all the symptoms, just searching for a diagnosis…
I don’t agree with this. I was glad he left them in there to take their medicine. Sometimes you make your point by taking players out and sometimes by leaving them in.
A fair point. To me it’s just the accountability thing and the examples being set for teammates. Kyrie in particular has never had a coach who will yank him for, say, lazy defense. Remember how Byron Scott would let opponents go on 10-0 runs without calling a timeout? I just don’t think that style of coaching is getting through to Kyrie five years in…
REALLY LIKE “LEGS “—PRETTY ACCURATE IN HIS ANALYSIS AND HONEST
ESPN’s excellent NBA analyst Tim Legler gave the best post “Martin Luther King Day Massacre” take I’ve heard. He appeared on the Bruce Hooley show in this podcast the morning after the GS loss. Legler’s main points are: Cavs can win the Eastern Conference but just won’t beat the Spurs/GS with their ball dominant and over dribbling style of LeBron and Irving; the Cavs do have the necessary talent on the current roster to win; and the Cavs have stunningly not utilized Kevin Love in the offense where he can be most effective or even run enough plays for him.… Read more »
Legler is from Ohio and loves the Cavs and Ohio State Legler has been harping about these main 2 points for quite some time. It is appearing (though no proof) that it is Lebron that is not committing to the quick ball movement needed to play against Warriors. Heavy ISO’s DO NOT WORK against GS or Spurs. The sooner he gets on board, the better for the team and specifically Kevin Love. . He is right that Cavs can not win a title if they continue to be stubborn and not move the ball. Yes the ISO’s will work on… Read more »
I just started watching Legler’s analysis on ESPN. I also saw his clips you reference on the ineffective defense against the Spurs that was repeated against GS. He always seems to be spot on. Maybe the blowout will finally get LeBron and Irving to stop the dribbling along with hustling all the time on defense. I do think that if Blatt can’t correct this failed style of play, he could be in jeopardy.
They have to be willing to listen & just do it. He has a lengthy history in Europe of moving the ball well. But you gotta get your #1 guy to buy in. It really is that simple.
I’m not sure the Cavs can outscore the Warriors playing that style. In the finals, the LeIso worked very well at both disrupting the Warriors’ rhythm and allowing the Cavs to set their defense by limiting turnovers. They played great defense in the finals also. I’m not the first one to wonder this, but possibly Love and Irving actually hinder the Cavs against the Warriors. Like Mike Miller said last year, put good-defending, three-point-shooting athletes around LeBron and let him go to work. That’s how you beat the Warriors.
HEY WE FINALLY GOT A PICTURE OF COLS AND EVIL ( SORRY EVIL ) TOGETHER —NOT SURE WHO IS WHO —-
Cols is the one on the far left with his face cut off and that’s actually his hand picking Evil’s nose on the right.
The guy in the middle fell asleep after too many debates over just how fat Delly really is.
Ha! Good one, NOMAD… that made me chuckle…
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EG is the one napping, and the last words he heard from Cols before dozing off, “Golden State will be lucky if we don’t sweep them in the Finals……..