The Point Four-ward: Kickstart Their Heart
2016-03-02Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) Gotta hand it to your 2015-16 Cleveland Cavaliers; as most teams begin to round into form heading into the playoffs (that are now just six weeks away), the Cavs are still capable of surprising. Sometimes, like in their recent shorthanded win over the Oklahoma City Thunder, that surprise is a pleasant one. Other times, it can be considered a surprise only as much as a dirty diaper can also be thought of as containing a surprise.
So, what may seem like an inconsistent narrative — these Cavs are amazing when they win and a bunch of bums when they lose — is actually just the fact that fans and the media are still unsure what exactly they have with this team.
I’m not going to dispute the fact that a lot of coverage of this Cavs team has leaned toward the reactionary, with writers along with fans continually shifting their feet and hedging their projections with each transaction, injury report and game played. But, that’s the nature of following sports. It’s 99% not knowing. We make our projections based on available data (or — and only occasionally — by a streak of irrational regional bias). Then, such as in the case of the NBA, we are either proven right or wrong over the course of 82 games and the playoffs. We feel a little better when we see our hopes and expectations reflected on the court. We get a little testy when all of our calculations get balled up and thrown out the window.
That’s why many Cavs fans were cranky after Sunday’s loss to the Wizards. It wasn’t because people suddenly gave up on the Cavs. One week has not made this team a bunch of losers (no matter what I may have yelled at my TV by the middle of the third quarter on Sunday). But, this one week has shown that we still don’t know what this team’s personality is.
Is it the one where Kevin Love puts up huge numbers? He had big games against the Thunder and the Pistons before struggling with his shot and taking a lot of heat for his effort against the Wizards. Is it based on an increased pace and ball movement? Probably not, right? Is it the one where LeBron James has to play extremely well in order for the team to win — exactly what this team was presumably built not to be? James sat on Sunday and the team rolled over, he came back and scored 33 points in 37 minutes, and the Cavs pulled one out against the Pacers. Is this team an offensive powerhouse or one that relies on defense?
The calendar has turned to March and probably even head coach Tyronn Lue would be hard pressed to answer these questions with much certainty. And, that’s a bad sign. Eventually, they’re going to have to stop being all things to all people, resolve to pick a strategy that fits them and commit to it or risk making things so difficult for themselves come playoff time. If they are forced to find a new winning formula every time they face a challenge in the playoffs, they’ll be all used up even before they even get through the East.
So, maybe we do change our feelings about this team on a game-to-game basis. I promise we’ll stop going game-to-game just as soon as the Cavs do.
2.) Lost in the pit of self-loathing that opened up following Sunday’s loss was a nice bit of coaching by Lue. Midway through the third quarter, when the Cavs had thoroughly proved their desire to be doing anything but playing in a professional basketball game, Lue pulled four of his five starters, leaving only Richard Jefferson in as he went to his bench. Of course, much of the bench didn’t really want to be out there either, but Lue did light a spark under Timofey Mozgov.
Mozgov, who had been active but turnover happy during his stint in the first half, played with greater focus during his time in the second half and kept Tristan Thompson on the bench. Thompson finished the game with just two points and two rebounds in 21 minutes.
In fact, Sunday was the continuation of a mini-slump for Thompson, who averaged just 3.5 points and seven rebounds over his last four games, down from his season averages of nearly eight points and ten rebounds a game. It was one of the rare dips in the Cavs’ big man’s seemingly bottomless well of energy, and it wasn’t one that Lue intended to let continue.
Against the Pacers, Lue started Mozgov and brought Thompson off the bench. Mozgov played well, but Thompson responded with his best game in over a week. He scored 14 points, grabbed 11 rebounds (three on the offensive end), hit a crucial floater, the shot that abandoned him in Washington, and… oh, he also did this:
Good work by Coach Lue getting the team motor’s motor back running.
3.) While some of the Cavs are admittedly running a little hot-and-cold lately, Iman Shumpert looks like he forgot he left the hot taps on full blast and now has nothing but ice cold water sitting in reserve.
Back around the trade deadline, it seemed strange when Shumpert’s name was linked to trade conversations the Cavs were having. Then, rumors started trickling out that the Cavs weren’t pleased that Shumpert — who has a wide array of interests outside the game ranging from music, to the release of his personal clothing line, to… well, obstetrics — didn’t seem as focused on basketball as he was last year when he was acquired from the New York Knicks.
Ben Werth mentioned Shump’s icy ways — and how whatever physical or mental funk he’s in is also affecting his defense — in his recap of Monday’s win over the Pacers. I also pointed out one particularly putrid possession in my recap of the team’s road loss to the Wizards that later had me calling (if somewhat irrationally) for Shumpert to be benched in favor of newly-acquired Jordan McRae.
We’re very close to beating a dead horse here, but as even now, when I close my eyes I can see visions of Shumpert’s Iso-moves, maybe this will serve as my public Iso-Shump exorcism.
Keep in mind when watching this that it’s only half of the play. That’s right; this bad play lasted so long it couldn’t all fit on one Vine loop. He dribbled for about ten seconds before handing it off and (inexplicably) getting it back in order to go into this:
In fact, if I were Coach Lue, I’d institute a new rule: if your possession lasts longer than a Vine, you sit. Now, that’s how you get pace, baby!
4.) Speaking of McRae, the 6-6 former Tennessee Volunteer who the Cavs signed on Sunday to a 10-day contract, didn’t see the floor on Monday, but this D-League All-Star fits the type of 3-D player the Cavs were shopping for at the trade deadline.
Here was the scouting report on McRae heading into the 2014 NBA Draft (per Draft Express):
McRae’s intrigue at the next level starts with his combination of size and athleticism. Standing 6’5 in shoes with a 7’0 wingspan, the former consensus top-40 recruit has good size and length for the shooting guard position. A good, but not elite athlete with solid quickness and great leaping ability, McRae is certainly on the light side weighing just 178 pounds, one of the biggest hindrances he might face at the pro level, but he has the requisite athleticism common among NBA swingmen.
Even with Shumpert’s struggles, it’s tough to see McRae seeing much court time as this team rounds (or stumbles) into the stretch run. But, that doesn’t mean you don’t want to see this:
I’d like to suggest McRae’s nickname be “Drain” because he absolutely killed the Charge. Maybe my calls for McRae over Shump weren’t so irrational after all…
Kickstarter campaign to get Tom Pestak seats at every finals game this season? #TomPestakforMayor? Do we just lobby Lue for a spot for Tom on the Cavs bench w the assistants? Look at his resume Tyronn!! Just LOOK AT IT!!!!
That’s a great idea. Plus Mike Podracky, coolshah and any other CtBers who were at Game 3 of the Finals last year.
Not sure of the announcers name tonight on the Piston spurs game on ESPN but I enjoyed his comments on Cavs. “What do you think about cavs and are they in trouble”. ” I think a lot of people like to pick on cavs for some reason and most of that stuff happens on all teams and it sure doesn’t look like a problem they are leading the east”. Do you think raptors will catch them? ” I don’t know anything is possible but does it really matter, they will win”. Not word for word but it was refreshing to… Read more »
Funny enough that was Jon Barry, who has bashed the Cavs in the past.
Thanks, did you hear it too? Or was I dreaming
Yep, heard it to.
GEEZ THE CAVS AREN’T EVEN PLAYING AND THE MAIN TOPIC ON NBA TONIGHT IS GUESS WHAT—-LEBRON AND THE CAVS —–GET OVER IT ALREADY !!!
Beasley is signing with the Rockets. That’ll help their dysfunction.
This was a one of my favorite Point Four-Wards and I love reading all the ol’ timers talk about the games they’ve been too. Consequently, I must be good luck. I’ve never been to a catostrophic loss, and relative to the number of Cleveland sporting events I’ve been too (lots of indians games, not so many Cavs games) I’ve seen some good games. I was at Game 6 (The Boobie Gibson game) I was at the Z returns game I was at Game 5 against the Yankees in ’97. I was at Game 4 against the Red Sox in ’07… Read more »
Whelp. Then why don’t you go to the Cavs Finals games?
I never dated any rich girls?
Golf clap and vigorous nodding
That’s quite a run of good luck !!!! I only talked about my bummer games, but here are the four best: 1) Game Six clincher against the Pistons. I felt so confident we would win this game. 2) 1995 World Series. Down 3-1 to Atlanta at home. Belle and Thome homer and we win. “Not In Our House” signs all over the Jake. 3) Bernie and the Browns epic overtime comeback against the Jets in 1986. Won’t say what game was next of course. 4) Game Three vs the Warriors last year. The epic Delly game to go up 2-1.… Read more »
I was at Game Three last year too! The Q was SO LOUD
Does it bother anyone that LeBron is working out with Wade in Miami this week?
https://twitter.com/keithbritton86/status/705083368006811649
Nope. Why would it bother us?
Have you been outside in Ohio lately? It’s still pretty frigid. I’d be there too.
I can see it now. LeBron announces he’s taking his talents to South Beach this July. Then Trump comes to town and claims he will make Cleveland great again. Cleveland catches on fire!
Just the river again, or the whole town?
Also, apparently LeBron removed #TheLand from his bio.
I heard that he never had it there in the first place, and the “removing #TheLand” story is made up. I don’t know for sure either way though.
It’s like the Tooth Fairy. Yeah, I have no idea? Just read it posted on Twitter.
He was there all the time last season too
Love it. Get a break from the cold, refresh, come back ready for stretch run.
Also, Robert, thanks for getting that Motley Crue song stuck in my head from your title…
The last good play I saw out of Shump was when he Shumped Dirk Nowitski in Dallas.
Unsure why this guy makes $10M a year.
Guys always get paid for what they’ve done… not what they’re going to do… It’s also easy to forget that he missed the first two months of the season and has a relative newborn at home… I predict Shump will be the plus defender we expect come playoff time… especially when ticky-tack fouls start to disappear…
Yep. He will likely be just fine. No need to pile on him while he’s going through a rough stretch.
I hope so, EG. I remember a few playoff games last year where I thought, “we would not have won that game without Shump stepping up the way he did.”
By the time his contract expires, $10M/year might be the norm salary for bums in the league. He’s got a pretty reasonable contract for a guy his caliber when putting the CAP boom in context.
It will be by this summer when the salary cap explodes into the stratosphere…
I think that Shumps issue’s with ISO-play sort of embody some of the issues with the Cavs, in that he doesn’t play into his role. Shump is a 3 and D player and should only dribble when he’s got a wide open drive to the hoop, or is getting ready to pass off to another player. He should NEVER try to play like Kyrie. His handle is slippery and he ends up playing defense on himself.
Again, I think this has as much to do with the rotations as anything… put Shump out there to start with LBJ, Kyrie and Love, and all he has to do is be a 3 and D guy… Put him out there off the bench, and more often he will try to freelance with his erratic dribbling “skills”
I think that’s a really good point.
Yes, but that would necessitate JR to create more opportunities on the 2nd unit and would lead to much more ISO from him. While he’s better at it than Shump for sure, ISO is ISO.
If we swap out Kyrie with the first sets and actually have him play more with the second unit we can roll out some like KI MD JR TT and then whoever else you want. That provides defense, offense, and flexibility to go small and big while also having MD running offense and KI and JR off the ball.
Great stuff, Robert! And really succinct synopsis of what many Cavs fans are feeling this year. As many have mentioned, there is also the GSW factor that amplifies the feelings of inadequacy that sometimes clouds our collective psyches… In a different year, a 42-17 record with the team sitting atop the Eastern Conference would be reason for wild optimism… but there is no denying the struggles this team has had. That said, I still have a good feeling about the stretch run ahead… but maybe that’s just the anti-depressants talking… ;) I liked the move Lue made with Moz, and… Read more »
JR is a top 5 shooting guard this year. There is no reason to have him come off the bench.
Harden, Klay, DWade, Derozan Butler and maybe 5 more shooting guards all retired yesterday…
Klay, Harden, Butler, Wade, Smith.
You’re insane……………….
I’ve become a big JR fan (I even called him the third most important Cav back in a December podcast…) but in addition to Klay, Harden, Butler and Wade… you have to in good conscience include McCollum, DeRozan, Middleton and probably even Reddick ahead of JR as far as SG’s go this year…
No way are McCollum, DeRozan, Middleton, and Reddick better than JR this year.
Ummm…. you need to check the stats my man…
Smh… Watch them play Cols.
I’ll give you the benefit that JR is playing really well on his role on this team as a shooting guard. (I hope you can comprehend that)
But he’s no way better than the names stated.
He trails all of those guys (except Reddick) in RPM, win shares, PER and true shooting % (where Reddick is number one)…
Speaking of… JJ Reddick would be a perfect 3 and D guy for the Cavs.
Actually EG, he’s 10th in ESPN’s RPM and DDR is 11th. Additionally, with DDR on the court, Toronto outscores opponents by 2.0 points per 100 possessions, but when he’s off the court they outscore opponents by 13.1 PP100!!! They are 11.1 points per 100 possessions BETTER with him off the court, which is stunning numbers for an alleged all-star. By comparison KLowery is +8.3 PP100 net rating, which is only 19.4 better than DDR, lol. Do you realize how impossible it is for them two to have those numbers when they both start and both finish games together, and presumably… Read more »
Okay… I stand corrected on the RPM for DDR… but his RPM winshare is better 5.11 to 4.15, so it’s negligable…
Yet, he’s always shown he can thrive off the bench and provide instant scoring… If doing so wouldn’t affect his psyche too bad… then it might actually give Shump a spark to start…
I don’t think there is any harm in trying it out.
Thanks Robert for the thoughts. Wow I knew if I waited long enough somebody with much more skill would add my thoughts. Thanks Evil and like others I am glad you are back. The Warrior factor is huge part of this. Our record is quite good despite the misses and changes. I am guilty as anybody of looking through the microscope but when I step back the future is still bright. I also think we play better as underdogs and the pressure will be high on curry due to this record year. I have mentioned Shump starting piece for awhile… Read more »
Would starting Shump force Kev to be solely as a stretch 4 in the opening minutes? Having JR to start allows Kev to post early on since there will always be a threat outside. Moz Kev Lebron Shump ang Kyrie doesn’t offer much spacing unless Kyrie Lebron and Shump would go back door cuts and move off-ball through screens.
Good point on KLove, but also I think they’d benefit if the result was some of the movement you describe in the last part of your post…
But that’s a looong shot. I’d rather have Kev get going early as it is somehow a requisite to a great offensive flow for more guys on the floor. I also don’t trust Shumperts outside shooting to date..
Again, I think part of the issue is that many of Shump’s shots coming off the bench are more contested because of who he’s on the floor with… he’s a poorer shooter off the dribble. He’d be much better used as a true 3 and D guy with 3-4 spot up open corner threes with the starters…
1. I think this team is great
2. I don’t get the angst of winning most of our games
3. I think the drama stuff is pure media creation
4. They obviously like each other and play with fun and passion
What’s your Colsian take on LBJ’s cryptic Tweet yesterday?
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/704785081714515969
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/704785150312366080
Uhm.. Leb tweets are awesome?
It’s funny how wildly different the meaning of his two part Tweet can be depending on who he’s directing it at…
Read it and imagine he’s talking about the firing of Blatt…
Then read it again and imagine he’s talking about the trading of Andy…
Then again and imagine he’s talking to Kyrie or Kevin…
Then once more and imagine he’s just talking to Bronnie Jr. about spilling juice in his Kia 9000…
By the second tweet I guess we could put in how his circle has always been there for him. That’s the only idea I can have from that.
Another one is that he might be reminiscing decision 2010..
Or… decision 2014?
I bet its just about his wife/kids/friends or something.
I AM 64 (YRS YOUNG ) ALSO REMEMBER THE 64 CHAMPIONSHIP ( GARY COLLINS –HOW MANY FANS REMEMBER HIM ) AND THE MIRACLE OF RICHFIELD WILL FOREVER BE REMEMBERED ( WISH I COULD BE THERE FRI NIGHT )—-SO YEAH THE YEARS OF FRUSTRATION HAS BUILT IN A ” QUICK KNEE JERK REACTION ” WHEN YOU SEE A TEAM WHO YOU HOPE WILL END THE DRAUGTH PLAY UNINSPIRED BALL —-STILL HOPING WE CAN RIGHT THIS SHIP AND PURSUE A CHAMPIONSHIP THIS SEASON ( AND A MAYBE A COUPLE MORE AFTER TOO ) SEE WHERE KEVIN MARTIN GOT THE BUY OUT/ DOESN’T… Read more »
I’m pretty much okay taking a flyer on anyone at this point. But I don’t think it will make much of a difference.
Since I’m in the memory sharing mood, my thoughts on Brad Daugherty are….
I used to work at a Mr. Hero in the Merriman Valley, which is where all the Cav’s lived at the time (Nance still does), and so I saw about everyone on the roster come in to the store. Brad however, was the only one who used a .55 cents off coupon on a cheesesteak, lol. I really should have saved that coupon…
Nice philsophical take in your point #1. Not knowing what this Cavs team is defines my main frustration. And that also is what makes it hard for me to like this team (yet) as much as last year’s post January juggernaut, although I am trying to enjoy the ride more. I attend 15 regular season games a year – plus 2-3 during the playoffs – and have a huge emotional investment in the team as most everyone does on this blog. That may be why I get cranky as Robert explains. Also, I was lucky enough at the ripe age… Read more »
As long as we’re comparing scars, Mike… I was a 10 year old witness to Red Right 88, I was also at The Drive and I was present for The Shot… Being a Cleveland fan is about as self-flagellating as it gets in pro sports… ;)
Haha. Oh man, stay away from Cleveland playoff games from now on, OK??
Hey now… I was also there for the Tribe’s first playoff game in 40 years… the 13 inning walk off Tony Pena win against the Sox…
Hey!! I was there too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why didn’t you buy me a beer?!?!?!?!?!?!
Where were you sitting? I was about two rows in front of John Adams and his drum…
Club seats, I had a hot rich girlfriend at the time.
Sounds like you should have been the one buying me a beer then… LOL
At least I didn’t have to feel your pain on Sipe’s errant toss to Ozzie. I got the flu two dates before, and was too sick. My good friend who I had season tickets with me got a frost bitten ear due to no hat and the bitter cold/wind that day.
Oh man… I still have dreams that Rutigliano just let Cockroft kick it… Browns would have won the Superbowl easily against the Eagles that year…
And I did almost get frostbite in my toes. My mom was not happy with pops…
Oh my the memories, lol. For The Shot, I was delivering pizzas, and recorded the game, so I decided to wait till I got home to learn the outcome (nobody at work cared about the NBA at all). Made it through the first 47 1/2 minutes of the game before I delivered to a house that when they opened the door I was staring at a huge wide screen tv with the Cavs losing by 1. So after joking about not needing to watch my recording anymore, the host of the party invites me in to see the last seconds.… Read more »
I guess it was better watching The Shot with another fan than on your recording later. Cavs swept the Bulls that year in the regular season too
Point number 1 is probably the closest description to how this team has made me feel. The constant roller coaster play is exhausting and sometimes makes it hard to enjoy this iteration of the Cavs. Also I like the idea of getting sat if your play lasts longer than a vine. Last season Shump said the reason he was so successful is because the ONLY thing we were asking him to do was play defense and shoot open threes. This year, he has seemed to be not content with this role and keeps doing his best impression of Kyrie and… Read more »
So D’Angelo Russell scored 39 last night… I think he has a better passing game than does Kyrie. If his scoring takes strides, he will be devastating.
I just think he’s better than KI. Maybe he’ll never be the ‘potential’ scorer that KI is, but he’ll be a better player. I know that actually saying that makes me a ‘hater’ and the devil incarnate, though.
He’s not better than Irving. It’s not even close at this point.
No way he’s better than Kyrie. Somehow unfair to compare both guys as early since one is a rookie. But with the amount of games he’s played my take is that D’Angelo is 3 steps below Kyrie in scoring. Even comparing rookie seasons, a rookie Irving was better on offense already. Taking over games with a much more consistency. Granted that Russell isn’t playing much, he’s still not as polished as Kyrie as a rookie. The only other rookie point guard who put similar output as Kyrie? Chris Paul. He will never be the shooter that Kyrie is. (Believe me… Read more »
I don’t know what you’re basing that analysis on, MikeO…
Wow…. Talk about a breakout game. Now just get him a real coach and watch him flourish. This was a good draft.
It really was a good draft. So much better than the hyped Wiggins draft.
One game does not a career make… He got hot from three last night against the likes of old pal Donald Sloan, Bojan Bogdanovich and some dude named Kilpatrick… basically a Nets team that has given up.
Also, he only had three assists in 35 minutes, so I kind of fail to see the superior passing game…
Living in LA, I’ve had a pretty good view of some pretty bad games from D’Angelo this year…
2 things. Kobe is on a farewell tour and Byron Scott is a coach. Not really a pretty good environment to develop for a number 2 pick. Russell flourishes when he has the ball. That’s how he made a name in OSU. Right now because of the above aforementioned things he isn’t given much freedom as he should be in my opinion. But since Byron Scott decides to slow down his learning (dude even made him came off the bench what an idiot) and he has Kobe and Swaggy P as teammates, a result is pretty low for a number… Read more »
And who was Kyrie’s coach as a rookie? Exactly…
Granted, he didn’t have the Kobe factor, but he had almost zero help or shooting on that team, and he still averaged 5.4 assists (to D Russell’s 3.4). He also averaged 18.5 ppg (to Russell’s 12.9) on 47% shooting (40% from three) vs. Russell’s 43% and 36% from three.
Oh you might’ve misinterpreted my post. Look a little higher, as I said above, Only CP3 and Kyrie produced those kind of numbers and efficiency as a rookie point guard.
What I meant is that Russell might be producing better if he’s thrown more to the fire and given more freedom orchestrating the offense. Instead of whatever Byron Scott is doing to him atm.. I’m not defending Russell.
Sorry about that… didn’t see the post above before I posted…
I don’t disagree that Russell has been held back a bit by Lord Byron… and actually, he doesn’t really need to be counted on to run the offense, since Jordan Clarkson does a fine job of that… Kyrie never had a guy like him to play off of in his rookie year…
Point of order, the Nets haven’t given up at all. They’ve won 5 of last 11, and through the first 5 games of this brutal 9 game road trip, they won 2, lost to red hot Portland by 8 (3 pt game after 3), the Clippers by 10 (2 pt game after 3), and by 6 to the Lakers. They don’t much stand a chance with all the injuries, JJ’s buyout, and a terrible bench, half of which seem to be starting, but they got heart. Of course the only reason I know any of this is because I’m rooting… Read more »
Yes, but only two since Joe J got bought out, and the Suns are possibly more horrible than they are. I’ll give them credit for the two point Utah win, but they looked pretty woeful against the Lakers last night…
I’m with you though on wanting them to win as much as possible to screw the Celtics… lol…