Miami 122, Cleveland 101 (or, Smarter, Bigger, Faster, Stronger)
2016-03-20That’s right. This game was so bad it deserves a Kanye video. Cleveland got outplayed in every phase of the game by the Miami Heat who, despite losing three of their last five, looked like an Eastern Conference title contender Saturday night. The Cavs were competitive for about the first eight minutes, trailing 20-17 at the 4:24 mark, before an 11-2 run by the Heat closed the quarter and put the Heat up 31-19. South Beach never looked back, going up by as much as 33 in second half.
What’s scary is that this wasn’t like Portland, Golden State, or Memphis, where the Cavs failed to show up and compete. Clevelad was trying, especially in the first half. But Miami was… well, just listen to Daft Punk lay down the opening lyric.
Smarter: I know, I know. The lyric is “harder” but the Heat were tougher and much much smarter tonight than the wine and gold. Ty Lue didn’t get outcoached by Eric Spoelstra, he got outcoached by common sense and good management practices. First off, Timofey Mozgov was scheduled to start. Then, an hour and a half before the game, coach changed his mind, and started Shumpert to go small against the Heat starting linep of Stoudemire, Deng, Joe Johnson, Wade, and Dragic. Then Moz didn’t even sniff the floor till garbage time, despite Miami giving significant minutes to the gargantuan Hassan Whiteside. Cleveland certainly could have used Moz’s help around the basket on defense to counter Wade’s 10-17, Goran Dragic’s 7-12, Stoudemire’s 3-4, and Whiteside’s 6-9 shooting inside the arc. Instead, Cleveland started Kevin “accordian arms” Love at the five.
Moz has struggled of late, but the absolute last thing you do a guy and a team who are struggling with mental toughness and preparedness is to jerk around guys’ roles at the last minute. Then, to not even let that guy play in the first half? That’s just about the worst kind of management.
Only one guy on this team knows what his job will entail. Everyone else is guessing as it changes every other week.
— realcavsfans.com (@realcavsfans) March 20, 2016
That tweet understates the Cavs’ problems with players their roles. It’s not every other week, it’s game to freaking game, quarter to freaking quarter. You don’t tell a guy he’s starting and then not play him! Yeah, the Spurs did that with Boris Diaw and Tim Duncan last night, benching Duncan, but Spurs and Duncan is just a leetle less mentally fragile than the Cavs and Mozgov. Also, Duncan actually, you know, got to play.
Speaking of roles, Can we talk about offensive roles? Does anyone know what Kevin Love’s role in the offense supposed to be game to game? Saturday, he got one shot inside the first 15 minutes and didn’t touch the ball at the elbow or on the low post in the first half. Why the hell are you playing Kevin Love as a stretch five when he’s been struggling with his shot? Why aren’t you punishing Miami for going small against you? Cleveland ran lots and lots of Isolation for LeBron, sending four guys to the other side of the court. The Cavs were partying like it was 1999.
Le-Iso was effective from the standpoint of LeBron’s offensive game. He went 13-20 for 26 points. But with no one on the strong side to set up for open jumpers when the doubles came, the Cavs offense was stagnant when LeBron and Kyrie weren’t scoring. J.R. Smith got two shots all game (yes, that J.R. Smith – the one who’s averaging 14 points a game since the all-star break). LeBron also hit some incredibly difficult turnarounds that will make highlight reel lovers swoon, but belie the problem of the Cavs settling for difficult baskets instead of running the offense for easy ones. The ball did not move side to side.
The Cavs failed to set up plays for the red hot Channing Frye, too, who didn’t get a triple till garbage time, and who the Cavs tried to match up with Hassan Whiteside (to disastrous results).
Defensively, LeBron was either ignorant, stupid, or lazy off the ball. He consistently kept leaving Josh Richardson who’s shooting 67% percent from three in the month of March! Josh scorched him for six to start the three train rolling. And if you think it was just Josh, here’s Joe Johnson getting a free pass from the King on a three.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzFB0jbpQGA
Is this a case of the Cavs not reading or having a proper scouting report? (Again… I’m looking at you, Mike Longabardi.) Is it laziness? I don’t know. I guess I’ll go with laziness. Oh, and LeBron reverted to his old habit of not boxing out for defensive rebounds. The Heat were smarter and harder.
Kyrie was not the main culprit on defense. He actually, consistently competed on the defensive end, made a concerted effort to get around screens, and maintained proper defensive stance most of the game. When he did get beat, he switched onto a big, and tried to make an impact on defense. He has also gotten very good at unexpectedly doubling down on bigs to force turnovers. His active hands netted him three steals tonight. Kyrie still isn’t great when he tries on that side of the court, but he’s not awful. He was at least better than the other Cavs, tonight.
How else was Miami smarter? Just look at where they’re getting contributions from. Josh Richardson? The 40th pick of 2015 draft. Hassan Whiteside? A not even in the D-League free agent? Joe Johnson? Luol Deng? Miami is clearly very very good at identifying guys who can help their team and then putting them into positions to succeed. Meanwhile, the last two seasons has seen the end of the Cavs’ roster become a wasteland where guys go to end their careers or not develop. (I’ll make an exception for the pleasantly surprising Richard Jefferson who had 20 points tonight).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzKQRxBm_54
Bigger: Hassan Whiteside was a beast tonight, putting a lid on the rim and going for 16 points, 13 rebounds, two dimes, and according to the box score, two blocks. But I counted at least three obliterations. Cleveland had no answer for him, though as I noted earlier, they didn’t bother to try Mozgov until late. Tristan Thompson just wasn’t big enough to get to the rebounds Whiteside was gathering, or to stop Hassan around the basket. He was getting buckets or getting to the free throw line at will. TT finished with two points and two rebounds in 18 minutes. Whiteside’s four offensive rebounds were part of Miami’s 13 overall, which led to 14 second chance points to Cleveland’s six.
Six-foot-six inch backup point guard Josh Richardson had the size to bother the Cavs too. Aside from making his triples apparently unblockable on his way to 19 points, Josh’s size gives the Heat the ability to switch anything when he’s playing with Wade, Johnson, and Deng. Aside from Dragic and Josh McRoberts, the Heat have a roster full of big, athletic players who can guard multiple positions and then funnel to defensive anchor Hassan Whiteside. They’re going to be a tough playoff out in the new positionless NBA.
Faster: Cleveland was beaten down the floor all night, giving Miami a 14-6 fast break advantage. These came off Miami’s 11-14 turnover advantage, and 42-26 rebound advantage. Goran Dragic seems freed in Miami’s new spread offense. Because Stoudemire (and in the future, Bosh) can spread the floor along, with Deng, Jones, and Wade, Dragic’s poor three point shooting isn’t as big of an issue as it was earlier this year. Miami has found the shooters they were missing, and Dragic has the speed to drive and kick to find them. Goran finished with 15 and 11 dimes with only two turnovers, while Miami went 11-19 from behind the arc.
Cleveland playing it’s fifth game in seven nights while Miami was ending a leisurely three-games-in-a-week home stand certainly had something to do with Miami’s speed advantage. One almost wonders if the Cavs would have been better sitting some guys like Love. Kevin was almost unplayable in the role Cleveland was using him. He was too small to do anything at center, and two slow at the power forward spot. He had no energy, collecting one rebound and seven points in 16 minutes, and was consistently late in three-point closeouts (a team trend).
Delly seemed gassed too, and led Cleveland with a game high -24 (as compared to Kyrie’s -21, and LeBron’s -23). He had a hard time keeping up with his defensive assignments, and was as culpable in high, pick-and-roll defense as anyone (though Cleveland’s bigs seemed especially awful at doing anything useful defensively on those possessions). Delly was 4-12, and was forced throw up a lot of shots in Cleveland’s haphazard garbage time play, where nary a play was run for anyone.
Stronger: We already touched on the rebound advantage Miami had: 42-26 and Love and TT’s relative ineffectiveness, but LeBron’s three rebounds didn’t exactly set the bar high when he was starting at the four. Amare (five boards), Whiteside (13), and Wade (4) led Miami’s impressive team rebounding, and eight guys had an o-board. Cleveland’s got to work on boxing out.
Speaking of boxing out, Delly boxed out Goran Dragic on a play and got reviewed for a flagrant: probably the most ridiculous flagrant review I’ve ever seen. Goran went flying on a routine box out, and our old pal Tony Brothers just had to review it. Dellavadova clearly has a target on his back from the NBA officials. Tony Brother and Co. were pretty awful all night: missing Heat players clearly out of bounds, calling phantom fouls, and generally making an incompetent mess of things.
Anyway. Cleveland has a real problem on it’s hands. The NBA changes rapidly, and Kevin Love, who two years ago seemed like one of the best players in the NBA, seems almost unplayable against certain matchups, and seems to wear down quite easily on the second end of back-to-backs. Is he weaker? Is his his cardio worse? Does he just need more bulk? Is it all in his head? I’m not a physiologist or psychologist, but he doesn’t seem nearly as strong as he used to be on the boards, around the basket, and in the head. Sure Kevin can look like an all-star against the David Lees and Chandler Parsons of the league, but when he can’t use his shooting and face-up game against guys like Stoudemire, or the Cavs refuse to match him up on guys like Deng – and when he doesn’t rebound – he’s unplayable.
My fear now is that Cleveland will never get an offer again that matches what they could’ve gotten in February, if Kevin’s poor play continues. The Cavs are committed to LeBron James for good or ill, and Kevin Love may be a very lousy fit next to him, especially if his jumper isn’t dropping. Further, that isn’t going to happen if Cleveland puts him in a completely different role every single game.
Miami has copied the blueprint for the new NBA: two combo forwards, and defenses that can switch anything. The question in the playoffs will be, can Cleveland force other teams to adjust to them, or will they constantly be adjusting to other teams and trying to re-tool on the fly?
I’m a firm believer that teams adopt the personality of their head coach. Cleveland seems to have adopted the attitude of thrashing about in terms of execution and preparedness from game to game – playing with a complete lack of emotion, intelligence, and mental toughness. I hope these aren’t Ty Lue’s traits, because if they are, then he, like his team, is completely overwhelmed. I think Mr. West sumed up in 2007 how we all feel as fans. Will Cleveland even make it out of the second round of the playoffs? Take it, Kanye.
That that don’t kill me
Can only make me stronger
I need you to hurry up now
‘Cause I can’t wait much longer
I know I got to be right now
‘Cause I can’t get much wronger
Man I’ve been waiting all night now
That’s how long I been on ya
I need you right nowYou know how long I’ve been on ya?
Since Prince was on Apollonia
Since O.J. had isotoners
Don’t act like I never told ya.
I guess the monster ate my comment. Wasnt a fan of the review. Not the Kanye theme but the vitriol spewed at the players. Does anyone actually think Lebron is stupid? I got blasted for my comment saying guys ” hate” here. Maybe not hate but definitely unnecessary bashing.
That’s fair. I thought long and hard about that sentence. Really though, those are the three options: stupidity (which we all know isn’t the case), ignorance (coaching or his own), or laziness (or pigheadedness, which I’d file under stupidity). Those are the options as to why he’s letting his man shoot uncontested threes. We all know he has the physical ability The word choice was for emphasis. Playing that way is very stupid, ignorant, or lazy if your goal is winning. I didn’t want to sugar coat it.
If you detected any other “vitriol,” I’d like to hear it.
Let’s start the hashtag #FireMikeLongabardi
Might have to purchase that from the Suns first…
Haha, I’m not jumping into this yet. I don’t want a bad karma.
I sooo wanted to be wrong about Lue. But he is proving to be in over his head. The players appear no happier, just more confused. I have no idea how the team really felt about him, but I never felt like they weren’t prepared night to night. This team seems to be completely unprepared from game to game. I think Griffin gets fired if we don’t win the finals.
Lue should go but not Griff. For once Gilbert should have balls with regards to standing by his personnel. I think Griff has done an outstanding job overall outside of Andy’s extension. The guy knows how to get great deals done and has a good relationship around the league. I can live with him as a GM.
That’s what is funny. I see no difference in happiness or galvanization since Lue took over. If galvanization was the problem before, it’s still a problem. And Lue doesn’t look ready for prime time to me, just as far as the job of a head coach goes.
Dirk is a legend!
We’re likely to face Chicago, Miami and / or Boston and Toronto in the playoffs. 4 teams that can certainly bring us a lot of problems. I like it to be honest. Iron sharpens iron
We should be fine against Boston. Chicago is a weird one. Healthy Chicago, Cavs better get their crap together on defense just as much against Heat. I bet Heat is better than both come playoff time. They have the experienced coach. It does matter.
I don’t fear Miami or any team for that matter. As long as I’m confident with my team I’d be ok to face anyone. But unfortunately I lack the utter confidence in this team as a whole. Go ahead, lie and say otherwise.
Other teams dictate the tempo and create match up problems against the Cavs. And WIN by doing it. But the Cavs can’t do the same. And if the Cavs failed to match up against a certain style they lose.
Same team back in November
Well said Nate! I still think it was a mistake to fire an experienced Finals coach mid season this year. I really thought Lue paid attention more on some of the rotations and match-ups Blatt did on different teams to get wins. Doesn’t look like it. I thought he would keep the defensive intensity up. He didn’t! Instead, it has slid so bad into a question mark they make it out of Eastern Conference. IF anyone says, this is an exaggeration; look how Raps and now the Heat are this much better. We have a BIG problem and everyone knows… Read more »
Mozgov is miserable. He should be getting like 10 minutes a night.
TT should get the most mins. Zero mins for Mozzy against (key word here) BIGS on other teams is just suicide. No doubt, there are teams he doesn’t have to play at all. But this Heat team? That was playing the fool.
WELCOME BACK EVIL —-HEAT SCARE ME MORE THAN ANY OTHER EASTERN TEAM ( YES MORE THAN THE RAPTORS ) TALK IN MIAMI THAT BOSH MIGHT RETURN ALSO—-YES JOHSON WOULD LOOK GOOD IN A CAVS UNIFORM —DID NOT SEE HIM HELPING THE HEAT AS MUCH AS HE HAS —ALTHOUGH ” DEEP FRYE ” IS PROVING TO BE A GOOD PICK UP ALSO
Great recap Nate! This song is still in my workout mix even nine years later… Would love to say I was sorry to have missed this one, but that would be a mistruth… Don’t know if it’s psychological, but Miami is one demon that LBJ and this team better figure out how to exorcize come playoff time… otherwise in the indelible words of Han Solo… “It’s gonna be a real quick trip…”
Nice Han Solo quote. Just watched that today with the kiddos for the first time.
GOOD POINTS JMAY—–JUST HATE TO GIVE UP ON LOVE ( AND DEFINETELY NOT GET A JUSTIFIABLE RETURN 0 AND THEN SEE HIM GO BACK TO HIS TIMBERWOLVES DAYS WITH ANOTHER TEAM——-THESE NEXT/ LAST 13 GAMES IN MY OPINION ARE GOING TO BE VITAL ON HOW THE CAVS WILL PERFORM ( OR UNDERPERFORM ) IN THE PLAYOFFS—-EVEN THE RECENT WINS WERE “SO CALLED LUKEWARM WINS ” ——-HOW MANY COACHES ON THE CAVS STAFF—ARE YOU TELLING ME WITH ALL THAT BRAINTRUST / EXPERIENCE YOU CAN’T COME UP WITH BETTER GAME PLANS / ROTATIONS –IT’S NOT LIKE TY IS ON HIS OWN HERE… Read more »
I love Kevin Love. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the Cavs can’t seem to make him work in their system. He has the potential to so great and, indeed, has great games. The problem is, he disappears from too many games. I don’t know if it’s him, the coaching staff, or most likely, a combination of both, but it’s not working pretty regularly. Unfortunately, I think this means we are going to trade him in the off season. This is by no means our only issue though. There are some worse things going on than Love’s frequent Houdini Act. Our defense… Read more »
The problem with the defense is Timo isn’t anchoring it like last season.
This is a big problem, yes, but we also pretty frequently get lost on our rotations and look silly.
The problem has always been that the guys who are suppose to pass him the ball don’t do it often nor well enough. I just saw LMA take 25 shots against GSW…. and the Spurs are suppose to be “pass-happy.”
There’s never been a dedicated, consistent effort to get him 15-20 shots a game, every game…. making him the focal point of the offense… just like Leb “the beautiful mind/very high basketball IQ” James said long ago…
I REALLY WANT TO CONVINCE MYSELF THAT EVENTUALY LOVE WILL RETURN TO HIS TIMBERWOLVES DAYS —-BUT JUST DON’T SEE THIS HAPPENING—–HE IS ONE OF THE PLAYERS I BELIEVE THAT IS MOST AFFECTED WITH THE PRESSURE OF PLAYING WITH LEBRON ( AND YES A YOUNG WIGGINS WOULD HAVE FELT THE SAME PRESSURE AND PROBBALY HAVE DONE WORSE )—WHAT CONCERNS ME THAT WE HAVE ” SACRIFICED ” THE FUTURE TO WIN NOW ( WHICH I AGREE IF WE WIN A NBA CHAMPIONSHIP IT IS WELL WORTH IT ) BUT ALSO THIS HAS ADDED TO THE ALREADY PRESSURIZED ENVIRONMENT THAT OBVIOSLY IS AFFECTING… Read more »
As to the Wiggins debate earlier: Sadly, I think Wiggins would have not only been the better option in the present but would have increased the likelihood of Cavs dominance for a decade to come. Psychologically, it makes sense to undervalue him since we traded him, but Wiggins is a very solid player right now with so much potential! As much as I like Love, I think we will regret this trade now and for the next decade.
Please show me factually that Wiggins is a very solid player right now. And show me that kevin love isn’t. This is a classic case of the grass is greener.
Exactly.
Here are the facts comparing Wiggins now (20) and Love (27) : http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=wiggian01&y2=2016&p2=loveke01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=
Beyond that are the two other issues. I said “better option”, not “better player” in the present. There is a difference. The other issue is the futurity of Cavs success, which is about player trajectories, etc…. This is a legit debate; it isn’t about partisan rhetoric or dismissing each other as silly. It is also a debate that isn’t easily answered by immediate “facts” or subjective interpretations. I also fully recognize I could be wrong.
I think it’s pretty evident that you cannot play Love in certain line ups. I don’t see that being an issue with Wiggins. Love doesn’t fit on this team after 2 seasons. I don’t see that changing in the future, without some major overhaul.
During games like yesterday, nobody fits on this team. During games we win, things are starting to look up. Love is clearly less athletic than Andrew Wiggins. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t fit. I would find a way to fit in any guy who can average 17-10 while Not fitting.
Like I said, he’s a liability with certain line ups. Look at last night. I don’t think that’s really all that controversial.
According the the numbers, we were a liability as a team last night. Love is a liability right now because he’s in a shooting slump. Granted, it has been a rather prolonged slump, which makes me think his hip injury hasn’t healed and that Lue ought to sit him for back to backs. But regardless, there are lineups where Irving is a huge liability as well. Pieces won’t fit until there’s a big picture for them to fit into. If you can’t find a way to use kevin freaking love, you don’t deserve to continue being the coach of an… Read more »
It’s much easier to hide a PG that cannot play defense, than a slow lumbering PF, who can’t play defense. This has been an issue anytime we play a small ball line up. So last night was just more proof. The time they played great, was against Washington’s small ball, and Love didn’t even play. His shooting slump just exacerbates the problem. But that problem won’t go away. Lue has to have the stones to play the match up game and have Love come off the bench when teams go small.
i agree wholeheartedly. I just don’t think love is the problem with the equation
Agreed. I also think Love is probably fighting some injury, since he’s really been off recently. I’m a fan of Loves, too, since I don’t believe I’ve ever really heard him complain about crap, injuries or other stuff. I think he should get a rest day or two down the stretch.
WHEN LEBRON RETURNED 2 YRS AGO IT FILLED EVERYONE WITH EXCITEMENT —IT GAVE US HOPE—-IT ALSO GAVE US A NEW DIRECTION / INSTEAD OF REBUILDING –IT BECAME WIN NOW ( AT ALL COST )—IT BECAME A TEAM WITH NO IDENTITY / MEDIA —TO THE TEAM WITH THE BIGGEST IDENTITY / MEDIA—– A TEAM WITH FEW PRESSURES TO A TEAM THAT LIVED DAILY WITH ” ALL KIND OF PRESSURES ” AND I THINK IT CAUGHT ALL ( G/M’S / COACHES / PLAYERS FANS ) OFF GAURD –WE WERE NOT READY FOR IT——THE PRESSURE TO WIN NOW HAS MADE THE G.M TO… Read more »
Anyone seen this clip by Barkley? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPjkzQ_g4V4
This is actually a few months back. Didn’t know he could be so insightful.
My most concerning takeaway from last night might be Lue’s ADD lineups that keep getting trotted out game-to-game. Why do we always seem to switch starting lineups in an attempt to match the other team’s personnel? Granted, the Spurs just brought Duncan off the bench last night vs. the Warriors, but you don’t see great teams regularly allow their opponent to dictate the terms of games. I had the same complaints about Blatt sometimes last year too, though. I just think we have a roster of mismatched parts and one-way players that make it tough to figure out an identity.… Read more »
Andrew Wiggins’ last five games… http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3059319/andrew-wiggins SMH.
Love is still much more valuable and better at basketball than Wiggins, aka Tyreke Evans 1.2
Huh, would you rather have LeBron at the four and JR, Wiggins, KI, and TT and the ability to switch everything and shootingfrom every position, and wicked throwdowns on the break?
Or Love…
Wiggins still can’t shoot. He doesn’t rebound. Or pass well.
And to top it off his defense is weak. We traded him at max value
You clearly didn’t click the link… This from the guy who’s been saying Kyrie’s defense is going to come around for the last four years. Wiggins’ defense is bad, but there’s no reason to believe it can’t improve drastically. Also, I’d love Tyreke Evans. Wiggins should hope to be the defender Evans is.
5 games doesn’t prove much. Here’s a larger sample size https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-minnesota-timberwolves-are-still-waiting-on-andrew-wiggins.
From what I have seen I think Wiggins has the physical tools but isn’t very smart or competitive.
Nate, the wolves still suck. Wiggins is performing with zero pressure on him and they still lose games because they don’t play defense. Kevin love would have a world of energy if he didn’t have to work at all on the defensive end
Wiggins is playing better. Be interesting to see if he maintains this level.
Love is a much better player than Wiggins. To argue that Wiggins would have fit better into small ball line-up is an interesting hypothetical, but that’s what it is, delving into hypotheticals.
Yes, it’s all hypotheticals. Ultimately, I think Wiggins’ wanted to be “the man” and have playtime more than he wanted to win, so I don’t want that kind of guy on my team. But do I think Wiggins has the capability to be an all-timer? Yes. All the physical tools are there. When they get a real coach next year, watch out.
Yea time will tell. To be honest with you, beyond coaching, from an individual standpoint I haven’t seen enough from Wiggins. Not enough drive, tenacity, hunger. He isn’t even the best player on his own team. KAT has shown so far that he is twice the player that Wiggins is and twice the leader that Wiggins is. At times, Wiggins can make a highlight reel, but not much else. But time will tell.
I dug a little deeper and came up with some interesting stats. Since the start of February, Wiggins’ FG% is about 25% better than Love’s (.510 vs. .380) while taking 3.6 MORE shot attempts per game. Wiggins is also shooting 44% from deep while Love is averaging a paltry 27.5%… on a team with LeBron James.
That ship sailed a long, long time ago. I would guess the Cavs trade K Love this offseason if/ when they don’t win a title.
I still don’t want to trade him for trash but I am starting to wonder about Love.
Especially with Frye being pleasantly good at the role of middle class man’s Love, it would seem if they don’t win the title this year there needs to be at least some consideration of how to maximize the assets on this roster.
The thing that worries me about them is they need to decide on some lineups and stick with them. If I was Lue I d send Moz to the end of the bench for the remainder of the season and roll with Love TT Leb and Frye as the bigs.
And do something to light a fire under Delly and Mo.
You know Mo is out with an injury, right? Do you even think before you post these things?
“injury”
chondromalacia … I have to believe them till they tell me differently.
I’m betting Mo doesn’t make the playoff roster.
For good or for ill? Give me a break. James is the reason we have a team that’s 1st in the East. Good or for ill. Whatever.
It was a bad game.
-23 is pretty ill. His defense was pretty ill. You can pretend these things didn’t happen though. It’s ok. You always do.
That’s not what you wrote and you know it. You wrote they are stuck with James for good or for ill like they’d somehow be better off without him.
Learn how to read. “for good or ill” means you have to take the good with the bad. It doesn’t mean they’d be better off without him.
That is a helpful clarification. Others in the thread are arguing (I think) that James is the problem. That seems silly to me.
Sorry I was talking about the Cavs inconsistency generally. Lebron is the franchise, for good or for ill.
“The Cavs are committed to LeBron James for good or ill,”
Your exact words. They aren’t stuck with James. They are lucky to have him.
? Do you know what the word “committed” means? My sentence means that despite whatever ill comes from it, the Cavs have committed themselves to LeBron. They are more committed to him than any other member of the team. They obviously feel fortunate to have him. I didn’t make any judgement of whether there’s more good or more ill, but I’m not pretending the amount of ill is zero. I know. Words are hard.
Stop saying mean things about Lebron!
Doesn’t sound like he is pretending they didn’t happen. He is questioning whether one bad game means you should argue that James is the problem instead of, you know, balancing that one bad game against 4 MVPS, 2 Championships, and an epic playoff run last year with a beleaguered team.
Haha. There’s no “the” problem. There are multiple problems. I wrote a recap to point out many of them.
Agree, Nate. Your analysis of this game was very thorough. If anything you point to Love as the problem. Some others here seem to be suggesting LBJ is the problem.
One bad game? Jazz? Grizz? Or do you mean one bad game every three days?
Cols, I know this stuff is complicated in the age of advanced metrics but teams that have more bad games will have trouble winning the title against teams that have fewer bad games. Cleveland among the contenders have the most bad games. I don’t know if it is determinative but it certainly isn’t good.
In a way it’s refreshing to see that the best run organizations have produced the best products on the court. Just proves the mantra, “hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard”.
The Cavs went to the Finals last year and Miami missed the playoffs. The Cavs are 10 games up on Miami this year. So I am not sure I follow this logic.
I’m pretty sure he was referring to SAS and GSW.
Thanks CLF. That would make more sense.
LOL no problem, at least I think it was what he meant!!!
Thank you CLF. Of course I’m referring to SAS and GSW. Who even cares about Miami? They are being way over-rated at the moment.
Some fans wouldn’t her watch a bunch of try Garda go 41-41 than have the type of talent that can win a Title if kings break right.
The Cavs play the dregs of the league this week. So they can flex and preen after proving nothing in meaningless victories against the Nets.
LOL… reminds me of the football coach at Coastal Carolina who said, “I needs dawgs!!!! Not cats!!! Meow!!!” LOLOLOL
NBA should rid of conferences so SAS and GSW can play in finals.
Glad Nate got the writeup for this dumpster fire. Predicting a second round exit from the playoffs this year and a trade of Klove in the offseason. Both of which are fine with me; Klove is a cancer.
Love isn’t a cancer. He is just terribly miscast as a number three option on offense, especially given how little he brings on the defensive end. He is the Cavs only attractive trade option so when they don’t win this year I think it’s almost assured they trade him. Would actually like a Crowder, Bradley package and filler with Boston for Love. Questionable whether they do that however.
And as much as I hate the Heat, they are a well run franchise, something that can’t seem to exist with Cleveland sports teams.
It’s amazing how they got Justice Winslow, Josh Richardson, Hassan Whiteside and Joe Johnson for nothing. The Heat are Exhibit A for why The Process is flawed . . . tanking for high draft picks are good but good scouting, South Beach and no income tax are even better.
Not nothing. There were a couple draft picks involved.
Fine, excellent relative value then. If you have the #10 and #40 and get Winslow and Richardson that’s better than yeoman’s work. Whiteside and Johnson they really did get for nothing.
Pat Riley is really good at his job.
This team is difficult to root for. They are becoming pretty unlikeable.
Great recap Nate! The more I watch this team, although I didn’t bother to last night, the more I’m convinced they aren’t getting to the finals. And LeBron may as well stay in South Beach. He seems to like playing in Miami until he can’t control things and pouts, after getting overwhelmed by another franchise in the playoffs. He’s probably sizing up his teammates for next season. What a great leader!
The Heat are probably now the biggest threat to CLE in the East (ahead of TOR). They played a great game. Cavs played a bad game. But luckily it was just a regular season game at the end of a grueling trip, so we shouldn’t overreact to it.
Cavs still the heavy favorite in the East, but this game proves that they need to play well to get out of the East. Which I am pretty confident they will once the playoffs start.
Agree with Nate that Love’s performance is just not acceptable right now. He is a problem.
I just do not get this team. After 1 3/4 seasons I honestly have nothing else to say. I am simply befuddled as to what they are.
My sentiments exactly…
They are a team that went to the Finals last year and is currently the #1 seed in the East, despite their 2nd best player missed over one quarter of the season. They have dominated the Thunder, Clippers, SAS, Boston in the past month or so. Played two stinkers against GSW and MIA. But have consistentlyt beaten teams by a good margin when they play well.
This year, they seem to lack consistent mental focus. That is the one thing I notice. It can be frustrating.
I agree with this hot sauce.
So they beat the Grizz and Jazz? They are 19-9 in the Lue era, which is nothing special for a team that is supposed to be contending. Interesting how you give them credit for wins of a coach who is long gone.
Thanks Nate. So happy I skipped watching this one. I figured it would be a loss, didn’t expect it to be a blowout. Heat are looking like a tough matchup for the Cavs right about now.