Recap: Cleveland 100, Detroit 98 (or, Cleveland beats the buzzer, and the buzzer beat Detroit)
2016-04-25At the Palace of Auburn Hills, Cleveland barely outlasted a gritty Pistons squad, to earn a four game sweep in the first round of the 2016 NBA Playoffs. The Cavs won on the strength of a 35 point scoresplosion from Kyrie Irving, three ridiculous buzzer beaters, and 0-6 night from downtown (including the final shot) by “YOLO to ‘Oh No'” Reggie Jackson.
LeBron added a much needed 22 points, 11 rebounds, and six dimes, and the Cavs overcame a bad shooting night from Kevin Love (3-15 from the floor)because they got great offensive nights from J.R. Smith (5-7 from three), and Delly (11 points) to give the Cavs five guys in double digits.
First Quarter
The Cavs started very slowly again, getting in a 12-3 hole when Marcus Morris canned two treys, Andre Drummond dominated the Cavs inside for a pair, and Tobias Haris beat K-Love on a drive. Four quick points by Love out of the post, and a JR Swisher made for a quick Cavs run. The Pistons kept taking advantage of Kevin Love and Kyrie on defense, feeding the ball to Harris and Reggie Jackson for dribble drives. When the Cavs started collapsing, the Pistons kicked out for Blake and Harris treys. Fortunately, the Cavs had a couple treys of their own and a steady diet of LeBron to close the gap. Oh, and a couple of old man mid-rangers by Uncle Drew.
The Cavs, Kyrie Included, did a very nice job of icing and blitzing Reggie Jackson, and forcing him to hit very tough mid-range shots from the left side. He hit a nifty And-one, but the Cavs baited him into bad threes. The Cavs worked to establish Kevin Love, but he struggled shooting, going 1-7, but grabbed eight rebounds in the quarter. Cleveland weathered the storm and ended the period just down 25-28.
Second Quarter
The period started when Cleveland fired LeBron out of a cannon after a Delly dig down double team, to force a steal and a pitch ahead to a tomahawking king.
https://vine.co/v/iUH0ntlvPb3
A few plays later, we all held our breaths after LeBron went down to the ground after getting fouled by three pistons on a transition Drive, but despite rolling his ankle, he showed few ill effects for the game’s remainder. The man is made of tungsten. The early second also saw a frenetic Cavs’ defense, and the return of the Shumpert/Dellavedova back court which gave opposing offenses so many nightmares last year. Cleveland kept trapping on Reggie Jackson high on the wing and he refused to throw the skip pass. The move junked up the Detroit offense and the Delly/Shump/RJ/Frye/LeBron lineup was flying around on D and desperately trying to close out the Pistons in the second quarter.
Curiously, Ty Lue called off the defensive duo, replacing Dellavedova with Irving at the 7:50 mark, despite the three point lead the junk yard dogs had managed to eke out. Cleveland seemed about to break the game open before Irving and the starters returned and the see-saw offensive battle resumed. Marcus Morris scored seven points as the Cavs continued to lose him on defense. Fortunately, J.R. needs about a millimeter of open space to swish a catch-and-shoot a jumper, and he did just that for two plays in a row.
Coach Lue was periodically mixing in some intentional fouling on Andre Drummond, but the fact that he’d returned the starters’ so early meant that he couldn’t do it as much as we might have wanted, because he couldn’t risk getting Cleveland’s starters in trouble foul-wise. So Drummond stayed and dominated the inside of the paint for Detroit, and Kyrie Irving dominated the Piston’s guards on nasty little drives and pull-ups. Oh, and the Cavs’ starters seemed pretty gassed with the long minutes.
The quarter also saw lots of Kyrie Irving pick-and-roll with both Tristan and LeBron as the roller screener to decent effect. The teams traded the lead until a James quietly scored his 16th points of the half of an KI dime and Harris clanked a well defended jumper to leave Cleveland up 54-53.
Third Quarter
Cleveland started out going to the post with LBJ and Love knocking in fadeaways. Then Kyrie went on a one man 10-2 run in 41 seconds. You read that right.
I put in the start time, but only run it for 42 seconds if you don’t want to spoil the ending. First, Kyrie canned a 3-Ball off a right wing pin-down in Jackson’s grill, then he knocked the rock away from Reggie from behind and ran out for a transition lefty layup, then he dribbled into a right baseline fadeaway, and then YOLO-ed an “I’m gonna dribble around forever then knock one in” Y-Ball special. Kyriediculous indeed!
Sprinkled in between those were a couple of Morris long range deuces that Cleveland was content to concede. And down 11, Detroit pistoned their way back into the game behind Jackson getting into the teeth of the defense and scoring or finding open shooters. After Loved netted a three-ball from straight on out of a K.I. pick-and-pop, Cleveland went on a 3.5 minute scoring drought, and Detroit retook the lead on a pair of Tobi Harris free throws.
Matthew Dellavedova came in to stop the bleeding, and fortunately was guarded by this year’s winner of the Shawn Marion Memorial, “Toast” award for the player most needing to retire, Steve Blake. Matty-D put Steve in the pick-and-roll, drove hard to the rack, and scored a layup and four free throw attempts (of which he made three) on three consecutive possessions. Blake was hapless and helpless to defend him. Detroit wouldn’t go away though, and kept finding ways to score as Tobias Harris drove to tie the game as the quarter closed tied at 78…
But, he left 2.9 seconds on the clock and Kyrie calmly dribbled to half court before tickling the twine, playing 47-feet worth of string music as the buzzer sounded. I almost woke the whole neighborhood as I screamed “YES!!!” The look on SVG’s face said it all, and that was just the first Cleveland buzzer beater. Cavs 81-78.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yf9t65dDM
Fourth Quarter
Delly Took Blake to the rack again, shut down Steve in the post, and then stacked three slices of Delly ham on toast as he canned a triple on an RJ swing pass. Reggie Jackson subbed back in for the toasted one, and Irving came in for Shump, and then they went mano-a-mano-a-mano-a-mono: back and forth all quarter, an an old-school combo guard’s duel. After feeding Tobias, Reggie drove and scored, and cut Cleveland’s lead to just one at the 8:30 mark.
The game’s most hilarious stretch came a couple plays later, when Reggie Jackson clanked a trio of three-balls in less than a minute, including one possession where he and Harris combined for three misses. It left Fred and A.C. happy yet incredulous on the FoxOH broadcast. They were in disbelief at Jackson’s propensity for chucking in such a big game. Meanwhile, the King passed up a wide open left wing triple to settle for a handoff three clanker from the right wing, but he made up for it by hustling on the break and tipping it in. After a little hack-a-Dre, Kyrie banked home a filthy disgusting bank shot pull-up from an impossible angle over Reggie Jackson that nauseated Detroit fans everywhere.
Stan Jeremy called “uncle” and subbed out Drummond for Johnson, to go with a lineup that featured Morris at the five. But Cleveland defended their way into a pair of Detroit misses before J.R. Smith hit buzzer beater number two, a 30-footer off an inbound as the shot clock expired, which stretched Cleveland’s lead to nine. Stan will wake up in a cold sweat for months, with this vine running through his skull: stanky pipe nightmares.
https://vine.co/v/iUwpt9dLadY
But Detroit would not die. A Harris three followed by a Morris fadeaway were mixed with a pair of Cavs “walk-it-up and miss” possessions. But fortunately, the Cavs had one of those plays we’ve started to come to expect from Kevin Love, as he got on the floor after an Irving miss to force a jump ball with Stanley Johnson. We spent some time on the Live Thread coming up with nicknames for Kevin. I call him the Galvanizer.
Kevin won, and LeBron cantankerously barrelled his way to a layup to put Cleveland back up six. Tobias Harris scored his 23rd point, and Cavs fans everywhere were happy he hadn’t played this well in the rest of the series. If he figures it out, the Pistons will be deadly. Then Cleveland wasted a clock wringing a possession that saw two offensive rebounds, too much LeIso and KyIso (is that a thing?), and ended with an LBJ turnover. Kyrie played some particularly bad defense on an inbound play that let Kantavious Caldwell-Pope score a three on a screen curl, and the Cavs’ lead was just one with a minute and change left.
Cavs wound down the clock, isolated Kyrie on the right wing, and he dribbled, dribbled, and launched a no-no-no YES! three, for the Cavs’ third back-breaking buzzer beater.
https://vine.co/v/iUwtp9eM9zD
Reggie Jackson drove the lane and THUMPED to cut the Cavs lead to two with the 32 seconds left. Detroit had one possession to play defense, and Kyrie did the thing that drives 7th grade basketball coaches everywhere nuts, as he dribbled to the right corner and launched a contested airball over Jackson. “DON’T DRIBBLE TO THE CORNER!” I yelled. Kyrie, you’re a torturing artist.
But Uncle Drew redeemed as he picked up Reggie Jackson at half court as Detroit had no timeouts and 12 seconds to score. Kyrie gave no quarter as Reggie twisted and tried to launch himself into KI to simultaneously try to score and draw the foul. Sorry, Reggie, you’re not getting the foul there. You should’ve played for the shot, not the bailout. The buzzer beat you. Cavs win, 100-98. Beliebers rejoice.
https://vine.co/v/iUwUgl13uUj
Conclusions
Reggie Jackson had some sour grapes about the officials after this one, and it’s part of a developing theme with him in 2016. Good luck getting a call next season, Reggie. See you then
Kyrie’s 31 point, five dime night was brilliant, and the Cavs were able to isolate him late, because unlike the Byron Scott and Mike Brown years, the other Cavs on the floor were unleavable. His final defense on Reggie Jackson was everything you could ask for.
People get incredulous at the talk that the team plays better at times with Delly at the point than Kyrie. They use games like this to justify why that isn’t true, when a season’s worth of math supports the opposite conclusion. (though as I’ve admitted, I’m throwing most of that math out the window this playoffs). Basketball isn’t a binary equation, and when all the Cavs’ parts are working in symphony, like tonight, it’s a beautiful thing to watch, and an impossible thing to defend. No one wants Kyrie to play poorly. On the contrary, what makes basketball great is when players sublimate their egos for the greater good of the team. When one man struggles, his team picks up the slack. Irving picked up the slack for everyone tonight, and the next time he struggles, our hope is they’ll pick up his. And yes, there will be nights when Delly is better than Kyrie, because they’re both very good players with very unique skill sets.
No one is denying that Irving can be a singularity of great basketball play, but for every time his shot falls it seems as if there’s a moment where he inexplicably dribbles for 20 seconds or goes right into the corner for no reason. Similarly, Delly had an airball game winner late in the season and tonight was guilty of passing up a wide open three for a contested one.
I hate the idea that there is a “Delly camp” and a “Kyrie camp.” To pretend that either of these guys is somehow always better than his teammate and is above criticism or critical analysis – and that those teammates can’t also be great – is what galls people who watch the whole game. It’s particularly infuriating when everyone wants to be happy for Kyrie and Delly, and a Cavs’ victory while selection biasers are screaming, “I TOLD YOU SO!” But I don’t care on a night like this, when everyone played well. Let’s celebrate them both and worry about who should be starting and playing with whom and put all the talk of “well, next year, if the Cavs don’t win it…” off till next year. Cause the ultimate goal for the Cavs is to, you know, win it all.
But let’s not ignore that the Cavs needed no less than three miracle shots to win this one. There’s room on this team for everyone to be great and to improve. To cliché it up, if you’re not getting better, you’re moving backwards. Cleveland got a lot better this series, and are at their absolute best when their top six guys: Delly, Bron, J.R., Kevin, TT, and Kyrie are all bringing something to the table. It was a great closeout victory and a great game. With the Hawks and Celtics looking to go seven, we’ll see you in a week, Cavs.
Update:
I was quite remiss in not reporting some great research from Tom “Elias” Pestak about the Cavs’ record breaking accomplishment versus the Pistons. It’s truly impressive.
https://twitter.com/tompestak/status/724436732188459008
https://twitter.com/tompestak/status/724443367489327104
So freaking true…
https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/724832532890570753
I guess SVG and Reggie aren’t the only ones…
https://twitter.com/espn/status/724831631173771264
https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/724829979658297344
https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/724829309521809408
If Terry Stott doesn’t win Coach of the Year… they should hold a recount if he somehow gets the Blazers to the WCF…
And the update…
https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/724826430597640193
Also…
https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/724824657854083072
Trailblazers did beat the Warriors one out of three this year.
So… um, go Blazers?… I guess?
I dunno. And I feel slightly guilty about being happy about Curry’s knee. Having gotten that out of the way, from some personal experience, a knee sprain is likely to mess with his head, if not his whole game.
I did… right up until I heard Screamin’ A go off this morning and declare that anyone who wins the title this year deserves an asterisk next to it since they didn’t have to play a healthy MVP… If that’s the case, then the Warriors should have more asterisks on last year’s trophy than buckeye stickers on an OSU senior’s helmet…
If the Cavs win the title this year, I will just have to find a way to deal with that.
My thoughts exactly. I still don’t think Curry will be anywhere near 100% for the remainder of the playoffs. I hope Lillard is just too much for him.
Here’s how he did it…
https://vine.co/v/iUQqgIFhZth
Totally random!
Wait…he broke his hand trying to pants Henderson?
Paul broke his hand. BROKE his hand on a routine pass. This is tragic for the clippers…and even more tragic for Paul…and annoying for every fan not from Oakland…
Freaking Warriors luck…
Hope the Cavs stay healthy.
I’m pressing the red button. The button to stop the bus and leave me off of the Clipper Express.
I bet Doc has a button like that in his office…
That’s it. Thanks.
you have got to be kidding me…well hell I’d rather beat a full strength warriors team
And just to prove you can always find something cool and interesting when you’re looking for something funny… I just saw this, which is a pretty amazing tribute…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkOxeKA2WNE
Nice. Love me some Brince.
Without Chris Paul the clippers don’t stand a chance.
Even when the Warriors are unlucky… they’re still lucky…
Hahaaa! So true. It’s…man. It’s hard to discount the fact that they faced zero starting point guards in the playoffs last year…except 3 quarters from Kyrie. We will definitely see what they are made of…unless Parker breaks his ankle or lillard quits to pursue a rap career
At this point, I’m expecting it…
For some reason, this just popped into my head…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc-w35Z16zg
Uh oh…
https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/724817278500483072
Ok…now I’m worried the Blazers win in 6 vs clips. Clippers have no answers on d and aren’t healthy enough to play bully offense. Mason plumlee is a big problem for them.
Straight FIRE from KD and Russ tonight re: Mark Cuban and Charlie V…
https://twitter.com/espn/status/724813050029682688
Does Durant know he wore his painting shirt to the presser?
I am a bit worried golden state will get a free pass and the friggin Blazers beat the clips in 7.
Cavs sweep. All the other series tied at 2-2.
Miami looked dominant first two games then drop the next two. This EC is going to beat itself up. Good. I hope every other series but ours goes to 7 games. Oh and I hope the Clips series is wrapped up this week…
Yeah was worried bout Miami but looks like they have fallen back to earth. At the same time they do seem to have another gear versus the cavs.
We have like three more gears to go still.
Wow I had no idea Reggie was such a whiner.
Nate this recap was boss! You caught a ton of little things I didn’t. And you are so right about the Delly vs Kyrie disparity. It’s playoff time now. We ride the team we have. and Lue has made some interesting adjustments to lineups suggesting he understands the Delly-Lebron chemistry.
Now that Steph hurt his knee ESPN’s poll has 49% Cavs win. Oh how quickly people change.
NBA referee report on pistons/cavs game on that last shot from Jackson:
Irving (CLE) maintains legal guarding position and makes no contact with Jackson (DET) as he initially reaches in for the steal. Jackson then initiates contact with Irving as he jumps sideways on his shot attempt
source:
http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/04/L2M-CLE-DET-4-24-16.pdf
Yep. Jackson was whining. It was crazy that instead of going for the shot he tried to draw a foul. Very dumb play on his part. Also very good defense by Irving who played great on defense and offense yesterday.
Both incorrect calls went against the cavs as well
The LeBron and Kyrie iso show with 5 minutes left in the game was very annoying to watch. I understand slowing the game down and eating clock, but that doesn’t mean you can’t pass the ball around with 10 seconds left on the shot clock.
Kyrie has been huge. Love looked a little tired on offense. His shot was short and flat. It’s a good thing the NBA playoffs are absurd with rest days, and we’ll be waiting for the Hawks-Celtics series to finish. We’ll have a week of rest at the very least!
Oh, and if JR Smith keeps this up, I think we win the NBA Finals in 6 games. If he goes cold in the Finals, we’ll win in 7 ;)
The slowdown offense has been like the LeBron end-of-quarter approach: Wait until it’s too late to do anything but force a shot; don’t leave any time to actually move the ball and stress the defense.
One thing that infuriates me is walking up the floor. Complete waste of time. Sure slow it down but in the actual halfcourt set. Why give yourself only 14 seconds seconds to even set up a play. Get it up past half court and into your sets with 20 seconds remaining on the shot clock, then use the remaining clock to find the best shot. Giving yourself less time to even get into a set rather than using that time to run stuff makes negative sense. Completely illogical.
I generally agree. They went too much ISO.
But the matchups were pretty good. LBJ and KI kept getting one-on-one with Jackson, which is pretty favorable. They just couldn’t get the shots they wanted. Jackson deserves credit for his D on both of them.
If they want to slow down, it seems LBJ in the post is better.
Kyrie nearly lost us the game. But at the end of the day, he won us the game. That’s Kyrie.
Im glad im not the only one who noticed this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfunxKyN3Ys
SERIOUSLY! I don’t understand how people aren’t blowing up about this! This was nearly more egregious than Olynyk! Cannot stand Morris.
You can see Love mouthing “[something something] shoulder” while pointing to the shoulder Morris yanked (same one Olynyk tried to rip off?). Looks to me like he said either “same g-d shoulder” or “tried to rip out my shoulder”?
That is terrible. Love is going to have to start playing with his elbows pinned to his sides, at least in game 4 of round 1 of the playoffs from now on.
Wtf?!!! The cavs coaching staff and front office really needs to point this stuff out and lobby to the league after the fact. That or somebody needs to be the designated Perkins and take someone down next time anyone tries that nonsense. Otherwise teams are just going to keep targeting like the Drummond elbow and the Morris/Olynick arm yanks. It is BS, especially since neither the celtics or wolves team had any chance to win the series at those points.
Woj reporting Grade 1 sprain. No damage. Up to 2 weeks out.
All of ESPN & NBATV will be in mourning. They will have a Curry’s knee countdown calendar behind their desks when reporting any sports news. There will be a dedicated segment of the news by specialist giving their expert day by day analysis of Curry’s knee.
Should an injury in the playoffs to the league MVP on the team having the best season in NBA history not be news?
April 25, 2016: the day I suddenly took an interest in the L.A. Clippers. :)
ESPN saying at least 2 weeks out. He’ll be reevaluated in 2 weeks. No guarantee he’ll be ready to return then.
That is good news. Hate to see teams including cavs get playoff chances smashed by injuries. Will make for an interesting Clippers series. If Curry doesn’t come back during that series, the warriors will be in a dog fight.
That Jamale on “His and Hers ” is putrid on her “expert analysis” of Cavs.
Cavs should have lost this game. The last five minutes of the fourth quarter, their offense was just despicable. They got away with it against the Pistons who had a player of their own making bonehead decisions. Cavs have got to use this week to make sure these bad habits don’t surface in more critical situations. They won’t be able to get away with poor decisions offensively against better opponents.
I don’t think they’ve lost any playoff games when they went to the slowdown offense late in the game. I’m thinking back to the Hawks series last year when they did the same thing and the two games they won vs GSW. Basically, if you have a lead with a few minutes to go you want to limit turnovers by not passing so much and limit the number of possessions by the other team.
It’s a fantastic strategy that they just need to execute a bit better.
“two games they won vs. GSW”. And what about the four games they lost.
There is no correlation between limiting turnovers and not moving the ball. Dribbling the ball too much, shrinking the court for yourself by having five defenders focus on you alone, putting yourself in a poor position on the court, and putting up a poor shot brick has the same result as a turnover.
They never had the lead in the four games they lost at the end of the game. At the end of the game when you are winning the slow down offense makes perfect sense.
In the four games they lost they weren’t winning near the end of the game so of course they didn’t go to the slow down offense.
I understand what you are saying with regards to slowing it down to protect the lead. But not moving the ball will lead to poorer shots being taken. Poor shots are just the same as turnovers. And slowing down the pace doesn’t mean you don’t find the open man and take the best shot of the possession.
OK, then we are on the same page. It would be good to see Irving or Lebron dribbling out to 7 seconds or so and then some movement I think.
Agree that they can use more movement COMBINED with the slow down strategy. That would be ideal.
They can also go ISO if they have really great matchups. Yesterday, they were using PnRs to force switches into favorable ISO matchups. It was a cool strategy, but LBJ and KI were not really getting high percentage shots against their matchups. DET did a nice job on D.
I really do believe alot of it’s just rest. Just a couple of minutes is all I’m talking. It makes a HUGE difference especially with Lebron & Kevin Love.
??? I don’t what you are commenting in reference to.
This Curry thing is going to be really annoying. It’s a sprain. They’ll make it a much bigger deal than it needs to be, and when he plays through it, they will be comparing it to the Jordan flu and Larry Bird’s back.
or the Black Lung…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6QLMUwVBeY
It’s news. I was certainly interested in finding out the extent of the injury today. Do you have absolutely no interest in this particular injury to this particular player? If so, I think you belong to a very small group of Cavalier fans who think this.
Hm does this pose look familiar to anyone? https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/724654558341935104/photo/1
Poor Byron. Hired to play caretaker for two rebuilding teams, never had much of a “fair shake”.
WHAT IS MO’S STATUS—WILL HE BE ( DO WE WANT HIM ) ABLE TO PLAY NEXT ROUND ?
No. Even if he’s fully healthy. :)
HEY GUYS I’M STILL ALIVE ( HOP FARM IS PROGRESSING/ AND THE WINERY ALSO —ALL INVITED WHEN COMPLETED — EVEN YOU COLS ) GREAT WIN —-GET SOME REST ( BUT NOT “RUST ” )—–CONCERNED WITH THE HEAVY MINUTES/ GOING TO NEED MORE PRODUCTIVE MINUTES FROM OUR BENCH—IS THE MOZ ” OFFICIALLY BENCHED ” FOR THE PLAYOFFS—IF SO WHAT DID WE GIVE UP/ TRADE FOR HIM –FOR BASICALLY 1 YEAR ( LAST YEAR LOKED LIKE A GOOD TRADE –NOT SO SURE NOW )—–PISTONS IF THEY KEEP PRESENT ROSTER ARE GOING TO BE A HANDFUL IN A FEW YEARS
They are going to have to be willing to shovel it out in a few years. Some of those guys could garner some pretty large contracts.
Hop farm, that is awesome! What types of hops are you growing? I home brew so I am curious, not that I am in Ohio much anymore.
Nomad is a basketball coach, so he’s growing this kind of hops:
https://youtu.be/QUdVteq8XBs?t=15
It’s amazing to me that 90% of SportsCenter this morning was dedicated to Steph Curry’s knee… while about 5% was dedicated to the Cavs sweeping, and 0% was dedicated to the Spurs sweeping…
Knee is a huge story if it ends up keeping him out. Would basically ensure the all time wins record team does not reach the finals. You could see the other side of it as well in that perhaps the media never thought the pistons or grizzlies had much of a chance to win a game against us or the spurs which equates to respect.
Still, nothing will be known until after the MRI today… so really, what’s the point in speculating vs. reporting things that actually happened in the NBA yesterday?
Thought the comments from Kerr though implied the MRI was kind of a formality. Didn’t seem too optimistic. But yeah good point.
Does that mean WE can’t speculate? Even if Steph comes back, what are the chances he’s 100% by the WCFs? He’s going to need to be because the Spurs will push him to his limits. That D they played where the Spurs held them to what, 79 points? Could you imagine that against a Curry who’s dealing with a sore ankle AND knee? That will be really, really tough. The NBA is holding it’s collective breath right now.
Great recap, Nate, and great research Tom! While they still have room to improve on the defensive side of the ball, the Cavs seem to be clicking offensively. I do hope that we’ll see more of the key bench guys in future rounds, just to give the starters more of a blow. Meanwhile, I find it laughable that Reggie and Stan were complaining about the officiating this series, especially since it sure seemed like the Pistons got the majority of the calls…
Excellent recap Nate. Thank you for pointing out that you can love Delly and Kyrie at the same time. Both are huge contributors to the team and both have their flaws. Lue mismanaged minutes in this one. It was the third game in five nights and the starters had been playing too many minutes. It could have really backfired. One shot difference and we lose this one, go back to Cleveland tired. Or OT, where injuries happen. He’s got to be a little more careful. No reason why Delly, Shump and Frye can’t play longer minutes to give Irving, LBJ,… Read more »
Things to improve on Lue..
– Rotations and minutes managing. Hopefully the big 3 can be 38mpg or below starting next round.
Going to harp again. Their defense has a ways to go. In the series, Detroit outshot us .478 to .461, shot better than their regular season 3pt % .376 to .345, and our defensive efficiency was 107 which ranks as only the 11th best of the postseason. The only teams in the postseason with higher opponent fg% are the hornets and Grizzlies. The three point shooting I attribute to some consistently weak or lack of closeouts and partially the strategy of packing the paint. However, there were multiple times per game where we barely attempted to closeout on shooters. The… Read more »
All good points, John, although the Cavs did still hold the Pistons to 95ppg average over the four games, and were much more lockdown in the second halves of games after giving up hot shooting first halves FWIW…
Yeah, the second halves give me some hope, though it baffles me why this team, even in the playoffs, still takes so much time every game to get its act together defensively.
Some of it stems from LeBron… who I watched closely on defense the last couple of games. He doesn’t really lock in until sometime in the third quarter. This may just be him conserving energy and pacing himself though…
It also stems from playing defensive stalwarts Shump and Delly fewer minutes…
Yeah I noticed that too, though definitely there were more problems with closeouts than just him. But yeah would be nice if Lue trusted his bench more to give Lebron fewer minutes and the bench guys more minutes. Would likely help the defense if Delly and or shump were in with Irving so we could hide him.
Except yesterday we had to hide Delly. Irving was much better on Jackson.
There he goes again.. (In Eoyore’s voice from Winnie the Pooh)
Great point on closeouts. They were often lazy, undisciplined, or nonexistent.
The closeouts were late because the Cavs were doing everything to stop Drummond from dominating inside and mostly letting the Pistons fire away from out there.
It was scheme. Lue is the Master of Scheme.
Not entirely, in fact a fair amount were not even concurrent with Drummond p and rs or postups. Some were failure to matchup in transition. Others were failure to rotate a second or third time. Others were failure to rotate out off simple iso dribble penetration. One problem that has to be fixed going forward is that after one or two rotations the cavs get lost or simply give up on rotations. They also need to work on their transition d in that they need to get back and find a man, preferably their man.
In addition, closeouts were poorly executed ( Delly was guilty of a couple): over aggressive, closing out at bad angles, and jumping at shooters instead of closing out balanced to the shooters’ driving and shooting tendencies with short choppy steps.
Yep, agree. On a brighter note, they have shown the ability to play lockdown d in spurts. They just cannot start out games or spend entire halves playing d the way they have been.
I sure hope Lue says no thanks to this suggestion. Lebron actually played BELOW his career playoff minutes average vs Detroit. His career avg is 42.5 and vs Detroit it was 41.3. No b2b’s in playoffs, the big 3 can rest when they’re dead.
Tom, you are a grinder with that research — the Tyrone Hill of CtB.
Oh man, I think Tom is much better than Tyrone Hill. He’s at least at Mo Williams 2009 level.
http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Basketball/2217/2217-677460Fr.jpg
Nice. I loved Tyrone Hill. How similar was he to TT?
Not similar.
Why not? Specifically.
TT>TH
At what?
TT>TH at not losing money and getting bitchslapped by Charles Oakley….
Career numbers per game: Points- TT 9.7 / TH 9.4, Rebounds TT 8.5 / 8.6, Assists TT 0.8 / TH 0.8, FG % TT .502 / TH .502, FT % TT .630 / TH .643
LOL. Not similar at all…..
Oh and in case you though one of them played more minutes per game than the other: TT 28.5 mpg / TH 28.0 mpg…..
Vitale potapenko?
Pride of Wright State!
Thanks Phil. Yeah man, that took me FOR FREAKING EVER. I’m working on a script to automate it in the future (or for reg season streaks).
But yeah – thought that would go viral….whomp woooooooommmhhh
I rewrote the conclusions because the earlier draft did not express very well what I meant to say..
I was at the game in the Palace last night, and I will give those fans credit, they really care and were behind their team 100%. That being said a couple quick notes from the game: 1) Kyrie is so much faster in person. His first step and his handles are unreal to see live. 2) Detroit fans spent as much time cheering as they did booing LeBron and complaining about fouls. Every single time LeBron touched the ball for the entire game he got booed. That’s true boo-ing dedication there. 3) Drummond is going to be a monster at… Read more »
The Piston fans booing of LBJ lasted even longer than the Celtic fans booing of Denis Schroder… pretty impressive…
I think Kyrie just got his focus back. He was going through some really weird stuff personally & somewhat bored at the end of the season games. Jason Lloyd accused him of sandbagging but he’s just young , turned a corner, everything falling into place & he’s back Baby!! It feels so Right in The Land!
Put an update at the end of the post. Apologies Tom, for leaving this out. Great research.
I’ve gone back and forth on KI several times this year and still don’t know if the Cavs are better off trading him. That said I think the playoffs could be the showcase he needs to put it all together. He’s shown both the ability and inclination to be a baller in the spotlight – first the rookie rising starts game, then the all-star game MVP, then the 2014 FIBA MVP, last years Spurs game (top 10-20 game all time IMO), and even last year’s playoffs on a bum wheel. There’s something really special there that your average high-volume chucker… Read more »
The whole 2014-2015 season, before he shattered his knee cap, when he was insanely good and efficient also gives me hope.
To add to that hes been a decent defender for almost the whole year in 2014-2015
Super encouraged by his three point shooting and his general efficiency. If he can eliminate his defensive lapses and his occasional poor decision making on offense, he is destined for all 1st team at some point.
I feel like this year has been defined by two competing narratives amongst Cavs fans. One narrative is that the Cavs inconsistent effort in the regular season was evidence that the team was fundamentally flawed, and had regressed relative to last year. The other narrative was that the Cavs inconsistent effort in the regular season was evidence that they were bored and mostly just using the regular season to round into form (particularly with KI and KL coming off serious injuries, a mid-season coaching change, etc.).
Do we all agree now that the second narrative was right?
Yes. Nate admitted this at 21:25 in the last podcast. It blew my mind!
I don’t think we can judge this until the Finals are over but they sure seem to have flipped the proverbial switch. Even if the second narrative turns out to be true, though, I still take issue with how the regular season played out. Personally, I’ve always viewed the playoffs as the “real” NBA season, but as fan, it also sucked being jerked around by this team all year, and I’m sure it sucked even more for the season ticket holders and other ticket buyers who had to go to the games the Cavs decided they didn’t feel like showing… Read more »
Nope. Both true for me. It doesnt take rocket science to say that our team is flawed. Every champion team is at a certain level. Compared to others we might have the most number of holes in our game. And thats because the team, (might conciously) chosen a way that might bite them at some point in the playoffs. Up to what damage i dont know and I hope its not fatal. They arent bored. Its stupid to think that. I think they’re stubborn and didnt realize at times that it wouldnt be as easy just cuz they had a… Read more »
I agree with Nate that everyone should root for BOTH Kyrie and Delly to be amazing. It’s all love. In fact, I wish they played them more together and limited Shumps minutes a bit more. That said, I think it’s important to remind ourselves that there was not an insignificant group of commenters calling for us to TRADE Kyrie because Delly was better than him. Those types of opinions are silly, and need to be called out as such. I will continue to do that. People who defend Kyrie never say “Delly sucks. Let’s trade him.” Even Cols likes Delly… Read more »
Well put Hot Sauce.
Because you treat it like we’re saying “get rid of his sorry butt”. Most of us were salivating at the prospect of Andrew Wiggins flanking LeBron. A lot of us were torn when the Cavs made the trade for Kevin Love. It was seen as a fair-value move that was a maneuver to align age and skill-sets. Similarly, you can look at the entire season (and even these playoffs) and conclude (using data or just your eyes) that Kyrie doesn’t always improve the overall offensive efficiency even as he has the ability to be individually outstanding. On most other teams… Read more »
For the record, I think this playoffs is the test. Assuming good health, this (2 seasons in) is really the last time you can gauge the makeup of the roster before you have to think about making moves. If they all play well together, problem solved. If they can’t become more than the sum of their parts – they’ll lose (probably in the finals) and they’ll have to look in the mirror and wonder if it’s best to just keep trying it. Ideally, Kyrie makes huge strides in his overall floor game, Kevin Love and the Cavs figure out how… Read more »
Top notch analysis of the Kyrie/Delly factors. Agree with all you said and kudos for a very balanced discussion.
His value will never be higher. We should trade Kyrie today.
I don’t think anyone ever said Delly was better than Irving. That’s a straw man. The argument is whether the team plays better with Delly than it does with Irving. There is evidence for that.
Galvanized Chocolate
UPG
I did find this I-beam made out of chocolate… but seems more like a JR thing given the name stamped on it…
http://www.customsweets.com/gallery_images/smith_pipe_beam_chocolate.jpg
My thoughts on this are 4-fold:
1) EG this is an epic JR meme and I think we need to cede “galvanized” to JR. Although I think “Chocolate Pipe” probably not the right direction to go
2) I would be pretty stoked if my pipe and steel guy gave me this for the holidays. That’s some great swag!
3) New proposal for Love: Chocolate Rain. Wheres Dawkins had thunderous Dunks…Kevin rains down threes and bank shots. Plus it honors Prince
4) this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA
ok that dude looks way too much like a young kyrie
OH and Kevin Love is still the UPG!!!!!!!!!!
Kyrie was awesome. That’s why Delly didn’t play very much. Irving was awesome on offense and awesome on defense. If Delly is in on that last play Jackson probably blow right past him.
Delly played well this series, it’s no knock on him, but Irving was lights out last night.
Nope. It is humanly possible even in a sweep you can refrain from NOT finding a way to diss Delly on a hypothetical play.
I was forced to because of the defensiveness of that 2nd to last paragraph. I’m really not getting what Nate is trying to say there.
He was attempting to preemptively address comments that he knew you would make, comments that would imply that because Kyrie had an awesome game that ANY criticism of him or his decisions are incorrect.
At this point, we all know what Cols is going to post before he even posts it…
I just want Irving to get his due. Just love the guy for what he is when he goes nuts and wins us a playoff game when mostly everyone else didn’t play all that well. Because no doubt that Irving’s effort and talent won us that game.
Don’t worry he is def getting his due! WE can compliment & praise him without slighting another player.
“Delly played well this series, it’s no knock on him, but Irving was lights out last night.”
Who is arguing that point? Not me.
Only 16 total assists. That’s not going to lead to a win most nights. We still had far too many possessions initiated by Kyrie. He almost never gets JR looks in his money wing 3 location. If we move the ball more effectively we likely blow them out last night and have no need for the heroics.
Great Win! They fought Cavs like hell. They made them better. Kyrie was fantastic! It was wonderful to see his old self return. I hated the ganging up on Lebron from the refs. I did not like Lue playing the starters for so long. They were tired & old bad habits return. I think there would been more breathing room had they had more rest. This week we celebrate. I think I still want the Hawks. What about you guys?
I want the Hawks. I think we are in their heads. When the Cavs put forth effort, they’ve shown the Hawks that they really don’t have enough to keep up with us. They are essentially the same team we played last year, swapping Carroll for Sefalosha. I think, as long as the Cavs avoid the regular season bumbling idiot habits, that we will sweep them again this season. I’d also like to avoid Jae Crowder and Kelly Olynyk because, well, you know…
Good points! Go Hawks!!!
I think we beat either team in 4 or 5 games, but I’d rather play the Hawks because the Celtics play dirty and their coach is awful and may be the dirtiest coach in the league. I can’t stand that guy.
I think we sweep either team. The Hawks have no business losing twice and almost a third time to the injured Celtics. Really unimpressed with those two teams. I think ultimately the Pistons will have been the third or fourth best team in the East playoffs, probably top eight overall on par with the Blazers IMO. I thought the Pacers were underrated coming in but it says more about how un-elite the Raptors are to have that series tied 2-2. And as amazing as they looked through two games even the Heat just lost one to the Hornets. The East… Read more »
Said this on the last thread and I’ll say it here: Without a doubt there needs to be ref accountability. The NBA releasing a statement (which they didn’t even bother for the Andre Drummond Elbow, hereby referred to as the ADE) and “admitting” their mistakes does nothing. But for Reggie to be the one complaining about it? Come on. And none of their fans even see it. They think LeBron gets away with murder but refuse to recognize that the Cavs are routinely subject to non-basketball plays and very, very hard fouls with nothing to show for it. The FT… Read more »
Cavs sweep. Nobody is hurt. The team is improving and still a few more gears capable. They get enough rest and time to sharpen their blades.
Everything is……. aweso…. GREAT!!
Couldn’t have asked for a better way for this series to go, to be honest. We were challenged every single game, helping us sharpen our blade and not get complacent. Though we were challenged every game, we still got out in 4 games, giving us PLENTY of rest (especially since it’s looking like Boston-ATL could easily go 7. And finally, no one got hurt. Great job Cavs. Pleased with the series. On to the next.
Detroit is a decent team with Jackson, Harria, and Pope and Drummond. If they can build some depth they may someday be able to take one or two games from the Cavs in the series.