Matchup Musings
2016-05-30With no Cavs game tonight, and the Western Conference Finals going back to Oakland for Game Seven, now seemed like a good time to look at the Cavaliers and how they match up with both of their potential opponents in the NBA Finals. There’s no doubt that the NBA Finals are going to be an absolute war regardless of whom the Cavaliers face, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t match up better against one of the Thunder or the Warriors than the other, regardless of who they may want to face.
It goes without saying, but the Thunder really blew it Saturday night. They led for the majority of the game, and were fending off Golden State’s runs with just enough of a burst of their own to keep the Warriors from taking control until the closing minutes of the game. Then the wheels completely came off. The Thunder didn’t score in the last 2:25 of the game, while the Warriors had nine points in the last 2:06 to take the game. OKC’s combination of terrible offense, bad defense, and constant turnovers was both amazing and awful to watch, and they’ve likely thrown away their best chance to win the series. Yes, there’s still game seven, but at this point it would be amazing to see the Thunder regroup from that loss and beat the Warriors in the Oracle Arena two days later. A Warriors-Cavaliers rematch in the Finals looks inevitable at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk-v5fQ4KEw
That’s a shame for the Cavs. While they are playing well enough to compete with, and beat either team, the Thunder seems like a better matchup for the Cavaliers in terms of both strengths and weaknesses. That’s amazing when you consider the greatness of Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, but there’s a lot of evidence that it’s true.
Kevin Durant is an amazing player. His combination of length and shooting ability is unmatched in the league, and he’s improved as a two-way player every year of his career. He’s also 4-17 against LeBron James in his career in the regular season and playoffs combined. When they guard one another, LeBron’s superior strength gives Durant real problems on both ends of the floor, while Durant’s length is less of an advantage against James than almost every other wing in the league. Everyone talks about LeBron and Kobe, but Durant is the more natural rival in terms of both age and position, and the fact of the matter is LeBron owns Durant.
Much has been made lately about how the Cavaliers would guard Russell Westbrook. Would Kyrie Irving start on him? Would J.R. Smith? Would Iman Shumpert or Matthew Dellavedova try to check Westbrook? All of those things would likely happen, but the biggest thing teams do when they guard Westbrook—or Durant, or LeBron, or Stephen Curry—is pray. No one is stopping Russell Westbrook, but Russell Westbrook. The best thing for the Cavs would be for Westbrook to get too three-happy and shoot the Thunder out of the game. There’s a far better chance this happens with Westbrook than it does with Curry, and Curry is just as likely as Westbrook to torch the Cavaliers’ guards, if not more so. There’s also the fact that Curry might be a better overall defender than Westbrook, as Westbrook’s constant gambling often has a negative impact to his team’s defense. Curry doesn’t have the defensive upside of Westbrook, but he tends to play smarter overall defense.
Another pro of playing the Thunder is that the Cavaliers could hide Kyrie on Andre Roberson or Dion Waiters while Smith, Shumpert, and Dellavedova take turns on Westbrook. Both Roberson and Waiters have played extremely well in this playoff run, but the Cavs will be content to let them shoot away, especially if it means fewer attempts for Durant and Westbrook. Waiters has begun to eliminate some of those off-balance long two-point attempts from his game, but it’s not hard to see him getting a bit trigger-happy if he’s being guarded by Irving on the biggest state of all. If he does, the Cavs will love it. On the other end of the floor, Westbrook hasn’t shown the consistent focus to stay with an off-ball threat like Smith, has been torched by Irving throughout Kyrie’s career, and simply ignores Dellavedova from deep, despite the latter being a career 39.8% shooter from beyond the arc. So while Westbrook would undoubtedly torch the Cavaliers at times, they are in a good position to get much of that back on the offensive end.
Meanwhile, Irving doesn’t really have a place to hide if the Cavaliers face the Warriors. The alternative to guarding Curry would likely be to put him on Harrison Barnes. While Barnes is likely to soon become one of the most overpaid players in the league, he’s still five inches taller and thirty-some pounds heavier than Irving, and has a better post game and outside shot than Roberson or Waiters. Barnes would be able to either shoot over Irving on the perimeter, or muscle his way to the basket against him with relative ease.
It gets worse when the Warriors go small. In that case, Kevin Love would likely have to guard Barnes with Andrew Bogut on the bench, and Irving would defend probably defend Andre Iguodala, another player who is much bigger and stronger than Irving. Iguodala isn’t the shooter that Curry or Barnes are, but he’s a tremendous playmaker, who still can get to the rim in the right matchups. Even if having to choose between Curry or Westbrook is a no-win situation, the Cavs would prefer Irving guarding Waiters or Roberson, than Barnes or Iguodala.
The frontcourt battles against the Thunder seem to be better matchups for the Cavaliers as well. Enes Kanter is a gifted scorer, and may be one of the few players in the league who is a better offensive rebounder than Tristan Thompson. He’s also a poor defender, who would likely give back on defense nearly everything he earns on offense, and probably more if he’s guarding Kevin Love. Steven Adams and Serge Ibaka are better rim protectors than anyone on the Cavaliers, and they will also be tough covers for Thompson, Love, and Channing Frye due to their superior size. The Thunder are also one of the best rebounding teams of the last 20 years, and one of the few teams that may have the advantage on the glass against the Cavaliers That being said, what happens when Tyronn Lue goes with the Frye-Love frontcourt? How can Ibaka and Adams protect the rim and chase those two around on the perimeter? Can Billy Donovan even play Kanter and Adams together against the Cavs? While it’s a tough matchup for the Cavaliers’ big men, it’s certainly one they can win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-P_8TQIyhY
The Warriors are a much rougher matchup if only because of Draymond Green. Love simply cannot guard Green’s combination of strength, speed, and playmaking, while Green is the kind of smart and strong defender who can minimize Love’s impact, if not take him out of the game entirely. Thompson has as good of a chance on Green as nearly any big man defender in the league, and he and Love are better rebounders than anyone on the Warriors. The Cavaliers’ superiority on the boards was critical as they battled the Warriors in the Finals last season. However, Thompson is a complete non-shooter and good teams will sag off him until he gets the ball right at the basket. With Green’s mobility and Andrew Bogut as their last line of defense, the Warriors are as well-prepared to do that as anyone. Frye is a tough cover for any Warrior big outside of Green, but he could also be exploited on the defensive end and on the glass. The debate for the Cavaliers will be whether they go more with Thompson’s superior rebounding and his ability to at least try to guard Green, or Frye’s outside shooting if they think that the Warriors will struggle with guarding both him and Love. How does the Irving-Smith-James-Love-Frye lineup match up with the Warriors’ Curry-Thompson-Iguodala-Barnes-Green Death Lineup? Given the latter lineup’s ability to move the ball and constantly switch on defense, probably not as well as Cleveland fans hope.
The most interesting matchup could be the Death Lineup against the Cavalier’s second unit of LeBron alongside Dellavedova, Shumpert, Richard Jefferson, and Frye. Dellavedova has done a respectable job guarding Curry, considering the standard, while Shumpert was tremendous guarding Thompson in last year’s Finals. Jefferson is strong enough to match up with Barnes, and despite winning last year’s Finals MVP, Iguodala can’t really stop James. This leaves Green on Frye. Frye would struggle with guarding Green, but would also pull him away from the basket on defense. Of course these lineups would likely feature lots of switching as the Warriors would try to get Green on Jefferson and leave Frye to Barnes, which the Cavaliers might also be happy with as Jefferson has been more successful guarding bigger players versus quicker ones. Just thinking about all of the ways these two lineups could try to exploit one another makes my head hurt…
Regardless of what happens Monday night in Oakland, the Cleveland Cavaliers are in the NBA Finals for the second year in a row and just the third time in the franchise’s forty-six year history. This time though, they’re ready to truly give it their best shot to end Cleveland’s 52-year playoff drought. After a regular season that was definitely more tumultuous than anyone could have expected, the Cavaliers are healthy and playing their best basketball since LeBron James returned two years ago. While the Thunder seem like the better matchup, it’s been no secret that the Cavs want the Warriors with both teams fully healthy. It’s understandable if that makes Cavalier fans nervous, or even scared about what could happen next, but this team has done everything they could to make us believe in them. They are as ready as we could hope for them to be, and if there’s one thing this postseason has taught us, it’s that all the predictions in the world don’t really matter. You have to play the game. Right now, the Cleveland Cavaliers are playing the game as well as anyone.
Why are ya’ll so scared of the Warriors? They played pretty terrible…just made lots of chucked shots. The thunder and the Cavs have lots of similarities…except we are a little less stellar at man to man defense and a ton better at shooting threes. Quit feeling defeated before we see how we match up now
“just made lots of chucked shots”
…which is exactly what they’ve done for two years running…
And OKC is one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the playoffs. We are highly unlikely to shoot as poorly…and we can play defense and go small when needed. Meanwhile, th Warriors will have their hands full.
We won at oracle last year with Lebron James and basically middle schoolers and dead people. We have a MUCH better shot this year.
Not scared, it was just that OKC was a better matchup and they were not going to get the “star treatment” like Curry/GS will. It’s bad enough you have to deal with Green’s and Bogut’s moving screens and holdings withou a whistle being blown, you then gotta deal with Curry’s crazy shooting ability off of those illegal setups. Last night was a good example of the refs just wanting to see GS win. There were a few KD and RW drives that ended with those guys on the floor after getting hit and no whistles… fucking refs lol. But yeah… Read more »
I just don’t see how the refs/NBA will let GS lose in the finals….
and it was shown today as well, KD (former MVP) and Russ barely got calls. We need to play a perfect game, keep the crowd out of it
LeBron’s stats against these Warriors last year: 35.8 ppg, 13.3 rpg, 8.8 apg, 1.3 spg,45.7 mpg
My prediction is Cavs in 6 but if it goes 7 the Warriors will prevail again. The Cavs have to steal one of the first 2 at Oracle if not it could be over in 5.
OKC 7-27 from 3 vs 17-37 for GS… that really was the difference
Yep
If they going to shoot 3s, maybe its best we leave them jack up 3’s like tonight without much ball movement (Curry and Klay), or would you rather the team move the ball around and get wide open shots? … hmm
What is going to happen is that they are going to try to abuse whoever switches onto Curry the way they had Curry abusing Adams tonight. I just don’t see anything to do about it other than try to outscore them, but that’s a sucker’s bet….not gonna beat them at their own game. Unfortunately, the Warriors are considerably better defensively than the Cavs. I might puke watching this team win another Finals.
Winning a championship against these Warriors would be sooo satisfying, just because of their antics on the court, the media and the fans
One thing nobody ever mentions when blaming Lebron for taking scrubs all the way to the finals and losing….. What would his legacy be if he won? This year he has his best team ever, but still if the Cavs beat the Warrior’s does that not speak to his credentials as the GOAT? Beating an unbeatable 73 win repulsive zombie team would solidify his already stellar place in history.
Would you rather French kiss Draymond Green or eat his barf?
Who wants to take a last-minute flagrant on Curry, just for the heck of it? C’mon, Thunder!
hahhahha boyyyy..missing 1 game in the beginning of the season wont hurt
Green could use a good ball kick
I really wish we still had Perkins to knock Curry/Bray on their asses
Alright well we get our chance at the “best team in NBA history.” Cannot freakin wait.
What a disgusting game. It went about like I expected, though. That team is almost impossible to beat at Oracle. Thunder were really pretty lucky in game 2.
Cavs will win one at Oracle. Just don’t know if we can win all three at the Q.
They *might* win one at Oracle….agree about the Q….no way I expect the Cavs to win every game there….
This is going to be one hell of a Finals
KD does get knock up and nothing, and Curry gets that called. .. refs don’t respect KD as a former MVP
God, what an unlucky play….could have been an offensive foul, too, on the push, like they’re gonna call that
HORRIBLE foul by Ibaka
I used to hate the Clippers for being the worst in the NBA at arguing every single play that they were fouled. Warriors are officially the worst cry babies ever. It’s blatantly obvious the refs are letting the teams play/ swallowing the whistle, KD and Westbrook have been fouled innumerable times with no call. Yet every play I see Braymond whining…Absurd
Please go to overtime
Feels good to see Klay just serious after a Durant make, any make from now by GSW is a dagger. OKC need to get a stop and KD need to hit every shot
All the non calls on KD and the thunder still alive. Wow
Not over just yet, but I think it’s still over in a practical sense…
Thunder fighting to the end!
+84, points from 3…from GSW..dont know from which games though or for the series
I think it was for games 5-7.
It’s officially over for the thunder.
The Cavs will their rematch. I’m afraid this series could mean so much for LeBron’s legacy. I want the Cavs to win so bad.
But have to admit that the thunder kind of push the right buttons on the Warriors and they got back to playing championship basketball.
Well this sucks. Is it possible to be more obnoxious than Curry?
I don’t see how…