The Point Four-ward: Finals Fantasy
2016-06-01Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) I’m carrying a fair amount of dread into the NBA Finals rematch between the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Golden State Warriors that tips off Thursday night at Oracle Arena. I’m sure I’m not in the minority either. Cavs fans saw what these Warriors could do over the course of six games last June. The rest of the free world who hadn’t already borne witness (or is that word trademarked?), tuned in this year to see an even better version of last year’s champs run roughshod through the league on their way to 73 wins, a new regular season record.
Of course, these two teams are different than the ones that met in last year’s Finals. The Cavs are healthy, hungry and have never looked better, with LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love finally looking like the larger-than-average Three Cavs fans have been waiting for. The Warriors face real questions about Stephen Curry‘s health, but are also the more tested of the two teams after surviving seven games worth of exchanging haymakers with the Oklahoma City Thunder. So much has changed for both teams since they last met in late-January that it’s tough to make any hard-and-fast predictions based on the regular season.
Take a look at the playoff stats for both teams, though, and you can see the Cavs may actually have a chance. The two best teams statistically are, in fact, the two teams remaining and there’s not as much separating them as most (and, in particular, my unsinkable sense of foreboding) think.
2.) The Warriors still play much faster than the Cavs, averaging nearly ten full possessions more (101.67 to 91.83) per 48 minutes. But, this year, it’s the Cavaliers who come into the Finals sporting the best offense in the playoffs with an Offensive Rating of 116.2. Compare that to the second place Warriors at 109.8 and you have a Cavs team scoring five points per 100 possessions more than their NBA Finals opponent. That’s the same difference that separated the Warriors and their second round opponent, the Portland Trailblazers.
The Cavs are actually tied for Assist Ratio (the number of assists a team averages per 100 possessions) with the lauded passing of the Greatest Show on Hardcourt at 18.3. The Warriors top the Cavs’ work on the boards, pulling down an average 44.6 rebounds a game compared to 43 for the Cavs. But, when you adjust those stats for pace, the Cavs are outperforming the Warriors there, as well. The Cavaliers are nabbing 53.7% of the total rebounds in their games, to the Warriors’ 48.9%.
The Cavs sport a better True Shooting Percentage (59% to 56.8%), are averaging fewer turnovers (11.6 to 14) and are shooting better from both the field (47.5% to 46.4%) and three (43.4% to 40.3%).
Of course, the Cavs’ defense hasn’t been as good, giving up two points more per 100 possessions, but, in the end, their net rating (Offensive Rating minus Defensive Rating) is 13.4, a healthy clip ahead of the Warriors’ own 8.9.
Now, these are just numbers… and a lot went into these particular numbers shaking out the way they have. While both teams have enjoyed their share of blow-out wins, the Cavs’ offensive stats enjoyed the benefit of some record-breaking shooting against the Atlanta Hawks, while the Warriors were impacted by playing games without Curry and against a stout Oklahoma City Thunder defense.
Still, “just numbers” suggest some cause for the Cavs and their fans to enter Game 1 not content to just let the Warriors run over them for their second title in two years.
[All stats courtesy of nba.com]
3.) If you’re looking for one player who could swing this series, look no further than Warriors foward/center Draymond Green. Green, a 49% shooter from the field during the regular season (38.8% from three), shot just 35.4% from the field and 20.8% from deep in the Conference Finals against the Oklahoma City Thunder. When the Warriors go small, look for Green to be matched up, at least for stretches, with Kevin Love, who should be a more favorable match-up for Green than the more physical, longer Steven Adams.
But when I point to Green as a potential X-Factor, it’s not because he might get his offensive groove back against the Cavaliers. It’s because he is dangerously close to missing one or more Finals games.
While his now-infamous kick to Adams’s kiwis in Game 3 of the Western Conference Finals didn’t get Green ejected, it was later upgraded to a Flagrant 2. The NBA uses a point system to enforce repeat flagrant offenders. A Flagrant 1 is worth one point and a Flagrant 2 is worth two points. Green, after the league retroactively hit him with a Flagrant 1 against Michael Beasley in the first round, has three flagrant points heading into the Finals.
And three points is where things start to get interesting. According to nba.com:
A player will receive the points set forth above for each flagrant foul committed during the Playoffs. If the player’s Playoff total exceeds 3 points, he will receive an automatic suspension following the game in which his point total exceeds 3 points and for each additional flagrant foul committed during the Playoffs, as follows:
Player at 2 points commits a FFP2: automatic one-game suspension
Player at 3 or 4 points commits a FFP1: automatic one-game suspension
Player at 3 or 4 points commits a FFP2: automatic two-game suspension
Player at 5 points or more commits a FFP1 or FFP2: automatic two-game suspension
With the officials being fairly quick to level flagrant foul rulings this postseason — and with Green known for having a feisty personality — his next flagrant foul would be a huge loss for the Warriors.
Look for Matthew Dellavedova, the team’s only real known pest now that Anderson Varejao is wearing Warriors blue and gold, to try to get under Green’s skin. Though, if that’s the plan, someone please remind Dellavedova to wear a cup.
4.) This Cavs team is hands down the most talented team in the franchise’s 46 years of existence. When they are clicking, they are a joy to watch. For much of the year, though, they didn’t click, so few people (myself included) gave them a chance against whoever came out of the West.
Somewhere during their dismantling of the Atlanta Hawks, though, the idea that the Cavs might actually have a chance against whichever team emerged from the Western Conference Finals started creeping out from the recesses of my brain. Had the Thunder taken Game 7 in Oakland, I would have proudly predicted the wine and gold to take their first ever NBA title.
But against the Warriors?
I do think the Cavs have a chance and I think the depth of this year’s team could give the Warriors some problems. Still, while this isn’t the same Cavs team that tried to turn last year’s Finals into a bruising cage match (and left having taken most of the bruises themselves), I think the Warriors will cap off their historic year by, for a second year in a row, winning in six.
C’mon, Cavs… Time to prove me wrong.
Lebron, Kyrie and Love trio on the floor together would be disastrous against warriors. — Tom Haberstroh, ESPN Insider: Can they defend at a championship level? We know the Cavs can score with the best of them, but with Kyrie Irving, LeBron James and Kevin Love on the floor, they’ve allowed 105.3 points per 100 possessions this postseason. That would have ranked 19th in the NBA in the regular season, just behind the New York Knicks. The gap between the top-ranked Warriors offense and the fifth-ranked Raptors (5.5 points per 100 possessions) is about the same as the gap between… Read more »
I’ve been thinking a lot about this series. I have no idea what’s going to happen. GS is the favorite. But I still don’t know who the Cavs are. I’m so nervous. We’ve been waiting a year for this moment again. Come on, Cavs. Dig deep. Find the Champion.
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2016/story/_/id/15867055/nba-playoffs-2016-how-cleveland-cavaliers-beat-golden-state-warriors
Pretty decent article on what we need to win:
Limit the amount of attempts GSW get per game by defensive rebounding, limiting turnovers and transition points.
TT is the most important player in this series. I think the Love + Frye lineups need to be limited (if not eliminated) in this series because when they both play one has to guard Green in the PnR. That is very bad. Love MIGHT be able to do it if he is super intense, but its not good matchup for us. Thus, I think TT will play almost all minutes Green is in and he or LBJ will guard Green. It will also be interesting to see if we play Love and TT together against the purported death lineup.… Read more »
Re: the last sentence… I think Lue has the cahunas to do it. The question will be: does he realize that from the start or will it take one or two games for him to make that adjustment (in which case we might not be able to recover from)
I think Love MIGHT rise to the occasion and be solid in PnR. So I am OK with giving him the chance. He deserves a chance. And I think we might be able to hide him on Barnes in the “death lineup,” but if we do that he has to punish them on Offensive end. If he doesn’t Lue has to pull trigger and go with LBJ at 4.
I think that the most important “players” in this series might be the coaches. Making adjustments in-game and from one game to the next.
daspec90 – that is a good point. so many different ways the matchups can unfold. it might actually be a bit easier for kerr. he has a clear #1 lineup. lue has more options.
Last year finals lineup without Kyrie, Love and Frye is a better defensively but add those 3, you get depth but weakened defense. If the cliche that defense wins championship means anything, cavs have to limit minutes of offense only players.
This should be the lineup that counters “Death”:
Kyrie
Shump
Smith
Lebron
TT
You could make the case to have Delly on the court instead of Kyrie for perimeter defense purposes. If so, then you also need to replace TT with Frye to keep the spacing intact.
My prediction: if this series goes to seven games as did OKC/GSW, I am going to need to rent a defibrillator and an oxygen tank, just in case.
Yeah that 7th game at Oracle Arena will be f****** stressful :(
This is by far the best team Lebron has ever had around him according to five-thirty eight’s statistical analysis.
Just hope they bring the physicality and mental/physical toughness.
Man, it’s frustrating to think about how much his supporting casts sucked in the 1.0 era.
Terry Pluto/Dan Labbe said today that win or lose this is the best Cavs team ever. Agree with that.
WATCH FOR THE NUMBER “23 ” YES BESIDES LEBRON’S NUMBER —-THE MAGICAL ASSISTS NUMBER “23 ” IF WE ARE CONSISTENTLY HITTING THAT NUMBER —I LIKE OUR CHANCES —–A PLAYER THAT CONCERNS ME IS OUR OLD ” HERCULAN ” FRIEND SHAWN LIVINGSTON —I THINK HE COULD BE A MATCH UP PROBLEM FOR OUR 2ND UNIT ( AND EVEN 1ST UNIT DEPENDING WHO THEY PLAY HIM WITH )—-PERSONALLY I AM HAPPY / HOPEFULLY / BE SOMEWHAT SETTLED WITH MY PERSONAL CHAOTIC LIFE TO FINALLY WATCH A CAVS GAME AND MORE IMPORTANT BE WITH ALL OF YOU GUYS —-” GO BELIEVLAND “—–ESPN SHOULD… Read more »
Dave McMenamin picked the Cavs in 6. I’ll go with him. Dave isn’t a homer either, as he has been very critical of the Cavs many times this year. A must win of course for one game in Oracle.
Relating to the article title, I think everyone would agree that Final Fantasy 6 is the best in the series.
Also, Cavs in 5. I’m riding shotgun in the Cols optimism bandwagon.
For the record: When Lebron in on the floor the Cavs defensive rating is 98
They should play best of 3 for 3rd place. That way we can get a reference of how close the teams were in the conference finals… It would please me
Lowe and JVG had a decent podcast about the series. They spent the first 5 minutes discussing how annoying the media obsession with the “greatest team of all time” is. Pretty much all series with OKC the headline was not how well Oklahoma had played but how badly the Warriors were playing. And Curry keeps miraculously being healed from the injuries which are the only excuse for when he has a bad game – cause he’s a basketball God who never has a bad game ever. I have never disliked a team more than this Warriors one and it pains… Read more »
I did not like that podcast except for the part about the media. All they talked about was Love and Irving, failing to mention that the Cavs have the best offense in the NBA right now and that the Cavs have been blowing teams away.
Offensively, the Warriors’ game plan should be is simple: Get the ball to whomever Kyrie Irving is guarding. Over the past two seasons, when Irving is matched up on Stephen Curry, the Warriors are scoring 117 points per 100 possessions. When Irving is guarding Klay Thompson, Golden State is scoring 115 points per 100 possessions
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2016/story/_/id/15876414/nba-playoffs-2016-how-golden-state-warriors-repeat-nba-champions
Not in the playoffs last year. If Irving doesn’t get injured we win that series.
Cavs lost 1st game with Irving playing 43 minutes. Cavs won next 2 games with Delly starting. My guess is you will see Kyrie and Love on bench a lot in this series but I can be proven wrong.
You are wrong. Irving was injurd, toughed it out and then broke his knee in overtime. The Cavs won despite Delly, not because of him. He shot 20% for the Finals.
lol, limiting Curry to 5-23 in 2nd game that Cavs won, game ball goes to Delly in that game.
If Irving doesn’t get injured, Cavs lose that series in 6. Last 3 may or may not have been closer than the average 14 point deficit that they were in reality.
You gotta go blood in blood out and just die for it.
Kyrie’s biggest issue is DIE FOR IT attitude on D. He is not fundamentally limited in any way genetically that would prevent him from being a great defender. He just needs to do the damn job.
As for Love they need to stash him on Bogut and let TT deal with Dreymond. That matchup is obvious. And when the Warriors go small, Love comes off the court. This isn’t rocket science. Love won’t deal well with Green.
+1.
Hence, it is not hard to guess that Kyrie and Love will spend lot of minutes on bench unless they are super hot on offense.
Terry Pluto said something like this today on his podcast: “Kyrie knows that Curry is better than him in other people’s eyes, and that he may relish the opportunity to, in a sense, show him up.”
Kyrie not killing the Cavs with poor defense may be one of the surprises of this series.
Windy closes out his segment with Rizzo by saying: “LeBron looks young, and they got two guys in their 20s. This is going to be an annual occurrence.”
Your sense of dread is bad juju…(get that weak stuff outta here!)
Just enjoy the games and give all the positive energy you can muster! If the Cavs put everything they have into these games, we should too!
Go Cavs!! Gonna be a hell of a ride!
The journey is what counts, is this team amazing to watch. No negativity in these forums during games!! I challenge all of you!
Not that it matters for this year’s upcoming battle, but here’s a rundown of last years finals, game per game. The disparity of the Cavs available players, player talent and minutes is incredible.
The more I look at those, the better I feel about our chances.
Game 1:
http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20150604&game=CLEGSW
Game 2:
http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20150607&game=CLEGSW
Game 3:
http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20150609&game=GSWCLE
Game 4:
http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20150611&game=GSWCLE
Game 5:
http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20150614&game=CLEGSW
And finally game 6:
http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20150616&game=GSWCLE
Out of all of those, only one game was a blowout and all the others were in the 3-8pt range.
Go Cavs !!!
Warriors have the better backcourt. Cavs have the better frontcourt.
#analysis
Really enjoyed the piece, Robert. Cavs offense is massively improved. They have to play with physicality, toughness, and confidence, though.
The Warriors play faster and move the ball faster than anyone the Cavs have faced in the playoffs.
But the Cavs are healthy. They’re also deeper than last year, with RJ and Frye. They can call on Dahntay for a couple minutes of defensive relief here and there so that no one gets gassed hounding Curry and Thompson.
This could be epic…
Dahntay is going to play zero minutes that aren’t garbage time.
Don’t often wholeheartedly agree with you, but you’re right here. If Dahntay is playing any meaningful MI uses, someone is hurt, terrible, or Cavs have major foul problems.
Wouldn’t mind seeing Dahntay out there instigating Draymond into a suspension.
They could just trade shots to the junk until one of them passes out.
More reason to be optimistic:
In last year’s finals two of our absolute worst players, Andy and Mozgov 32 combined minutes per game.
Andy had a pivotal three play stretch against the Thunder in game seven. If the Warriors win, I expect he will have a similar galvanizing moment.
Haha come on man. A 3 play stretch? Such a small sample. And he traveled on the assist, and didn’t look set on the charge.
Any second Varejao is on the court in this finals will be awesome…unless the Warriors are up big.
Yep. All the analysts keep harping on Kerr’s inexplicable desire to keep playing Andy despite all evidence that he’s toast.
I thought Andy was injured last year
He was… I think Cols was making a joke or something.
‘Or something’ is probably the right interpretation. I have a feeling he honestly remembers Verejao playing a ton of minutes in last year’s finals.
I share the feeling of dread. But kudos to Cols for the positive vibes and analysis. The main thing I’m dreading is the refs letting the Dubs interior players foul LeBron at will while no one is allowed to lay a finger on the golden child.
I think the key in these games is for the Cavs to vary the defense to keep GSW off balance, and for them to find the hot hand (Kyrie, KLove, JR, or Frye).
I love the idea of Draymond being suspended for the clinching game. That would be so sweet.
Three thingsthe Cavs do better than OKC who just took the cocky loathsome Warriors to 7 games
1. Shoot threes
2. Close out games
3. Play defense
These aren’t the only three things, but they are the first three I could think of. Cavs also have more depth and of course the best player in the NBA, LBJ
“3. Play defense” You can post this a thousand times, but it won’t make it true, unfortunately. If (IF) the Cavs prove able to defend the GS small lineup (the way OKC did), they have a chance to win the series. I don’t believe they will be able to, and I believe that will be the main difference. Meanwhile, GS will be able to defend the Cavs well enough to win. If I’m wrong, I will be the first person to post about it here. If, as is more likely, you are wrong, well, let’s just say I doubt you… Read more »
I don’t know what you’re going off of, but the Thunder aren’t a good defensive team. They are athletic & long, but not special defensively. The Cavs have a been giving up 6+ points less per game.
Agree. The story BEFORE OKC played GSW was that they had no chance because of their bad D. Cavs D has been better all year. OKC stepped up their D with intensity and commitment to a gameplan. Cavs did that last year in Finals. I expect something similar, and think their D will be good enough. I still expect a very close series. A coin flip.
Enjoy these moments, CtBers!
One more thing (yeah right, I’m sure I’ll be nervous posting!), this year LeBron is rested and playing at a higher level than last year. Last year he had to carry this team through the playoffs, this year he’s mostly just chilling and he’s way more rested and looks tremendously explosive. Just a reminder of his stat line last year: PPG 35.8 APG 8.8 RPG 13.3 He became the first player ever to lead the Finals in all three categories. Of course holding him to these historic numbers (and not by himself, because GSW could sag off of 20% Delly… Read more »
Great comment.
That’s very true. They should have given LeBron the trophy for the ridiculous way he put the team on his back through the last 3 rounds of the playoffs – and it was hardly like we were dominated all series. Won 2 and played 3 others close.
Absolutely insane numbers. The media conveniently likes to leave this out and instead focuses on trivialities such as what LeBron thinks “most valuable” means or overstate how great the Warriors are. When any other players has a triple-double (ie Draymond or Westbrook) it’s huge news, but when LeBron does, it’s ho-hum.
I too have a sense of foreboding. But as long as the players don’t feel that way all is well and this is anyone’s series. I take comfort in knowing we have the best player in the NBA on our team
The great thing about this year is that LeBron is surrounded by great shooters. Last year we had Delly shooting 20% and JR Smith slightly better than that but still not good. This year we have Irving playing lights out, Love, Frye, and that makes it much more likely that JR Smith will be wide open as the 4th option. Add in RJ who has been great all playoffs and Shump isn’t injured this year and this Cavs team is much much better than last year. If Delly can somehow remember how to play and give us 10-15 minutes of… Read more »
Everything you said is correct. Nothing more to add than Thompson needs to be a bigger factor than what he did on the road in Toronto.
Just stop on the Delly trashing. Everyone has to play perfect against the Warriors
As much as I find comfort in the stats going into this match-up, the eye test often means more, and I like what I see. I don’t think the Warriors are significantly better than they were last year, where as we are due to being healthy.
BTW Robert A. Great Article. Glad to see someone took the time to search/find the actual data as opposed to the usual blabbering from online commenting.
Thanks, JRL!
The Warriors are the most loathsome team of the past 100 years.
Yes! Between Green’s antics and Curry’s mouthpiece slinging, I don’t think I have disliked another team as much.. even the Heat during the “talent” years.
The difference was the way the media treated them. The Heat were great and knew it and acted like it. The Warriors are very cocky but the media treats them like they are humble. Curry is probably the cockiest player in the league and Braymond might be one of the world’s worst humans.
I agree with Cols (!)
Exhibit A (in case anyone could have possibly forgotten):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOlW9ivIltA
Youth pastor swag
Truth. And maybe it’d be easier appreciate the historic season they’re having if the media wasn’t instructing me to do so every 15 minutes.
“Braymond might be one of the world’s worst humans.” <–How dare you. Giving humans a bad rap like that!
Even the Heat didn’t say the arrogant remarks we are hearing from Golden State.
Best Cols quote ever!
Even if Draymond does get another flagrant, according to what you say up there, it MUST be a flagrant 2 or nothing happens. A flagrant 1 only puts him AT 3, not over 3. What about his Tech count?
Hmm you are correct. So that means Delly has got be a bigger pest around Green in order to get the flagrant 2 ?
Sorry… I had this a little mixed up. Green does have three flagrant points during these playoffs, two for kicking Adams and one for throwing Michael Beasley to the ground at the end of a game. I’ve updated the post to reflect the change and linked to the story about the other flagrant.
Ah, ok. That makes more sense.
On point #3, there is no way Green is getting called for a flagrant foul in these finals, unless he takes someones head off or breaks a bone. I was going to say draw blood, but even then they won’t give him a flagrant, unless it is game 7 and it does not matter. I am seriously not ready for the officiating bias that is going to go on in the Finals, but the Cavs need to expect it and not let it affect them. Last year the Cavs took the underdog label and ran with it and won two… Read more »
Uncle Dan better be ready to pay up cause if I’m Lue, and the refs are calling the games in favor of GS(as I expect), I would gladly go on the podium and speak my mind. You can’t let the refs favoritism play into this series.
Honestly, I am surprised that Dan or Lue have not started the comments already; a preemptive strike if you will. I don’t think it would matter though. The issue is institutional. The Warriors are the darling, and the rest of the USA wants to see threes from Curry and Thompson, legal screens be damned.
True but once Lue/Dan speak on it and bring it up for the media to run with, you will see the ESPN segments on it, which will more than likely show repeats/instances of those illegal screens and pulls/holds.
Least you can do is voice your opinion and see if the refs/NBA take control of the situation. Then if not, you go back to the podium a speak on it again.
What’s $25k for Uncle Dan?
Cavs lit up the #2 defense in th NBA. Warriors defense has sucked in the playoffs. Cavs have better defense than OKC and Cavs will not miss their wide open threes.
If Cavs make their open threes they win the series.
I agree. I also think they can pound it inside and win. The NBA has always been about matchup, and I like last year, the Cavs actually have the personnel to matchup with any GSW lineup.
*unlike last year
The Cavs offense is certainly formidable however, OKC’s playoff DRTG is only 1.1 points worse than ours and they played one of the greatest offenses in the history of the NBA, the 3rd best O this year and the 11th best. The Cavs played 5th, 14th and 21st. OKC’s defense in the playoffs was a different beast than their regular season D. Ours was as well but the Warriors have the talent to exploit our specific defensive deficiencies, IE Kyrie and Kevin. The OKC defense played well against the Warriors because they had the length and athleticism to switch just… Read more »
Cavs are better this year than last year. They can win this Finals. Cavs in 6.
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