The Haze Is Beginning To Clear Up
2009-07-09Quick Note: I got selected to serve on a jury today, so I might have a little less time for this stuff. By the way, still can’t drink legally. What a country.
Alright, this stuff is a big deal. A really, really big deal. In fact, the Cavs pretty much just finished up their major moves for the off-season, assuming they get Channing Frye with the remainder of their mid-level, and I now believe I have a vague idea of what this team’s plan post-Shaq deal is.
Big Point #1: Yes, Varejao was indeed indispensible.
At some level, Varejao is a paradox. He’s a role player, but he plays core minutes and he’s getting core money.
I’m trying to sum this up as cleanly as I can, and this is about the best I can do: I believe that Antawn Jamison is a significantly better player than Anderson Varejao. If I had one game to win tomorrow and didn’t know who the rest of my players were, I would pick Jamison. However, if you replaced Anderson Varejao with Jamison last year, the team would have won 5-10 less games. It goes beyond “ability” vs. “fit”-the things Anderson does not do well, which are myriad, are replaceable. The things he does do extremely well are not. Those things are, in order:
1. Team Defense
Mike Brown’s defensive scheme, which might be the best in the NBA, relies on a few keys: shut down the three-pointer, close off the paint. There’s not a lot of ball-pressure, there’s not much gambling in the passing lanes, and it’s not built around big shot-blockers patrolling the paint. All it is is hands in the face of shooters on the perimeter and bodies in between the dribbler and the basket.
You can see this when the Cavs defend screen-rolls, the bread-and-butter of almost every offense. While most teams’ big man switches or hedges on the screen, Cavalier big men show hard and chase the dribbler all the way out to half-court before rotating back to the paint to shut off driving lanes. Nobody on the team does this anywhere near as well as Andy; in the entire league, maybe only a healthy KG does it better. Andy’s long arms, incredible pace, quick feet, amazing defensive IQ, and his abilty to get the charge (yes, I realize he sells them with vigor, but his feet are almost always in position) make him uniquely qualified to do the most important job for this defense, which is the cornerstone of the team.
2. Finishing at the Basket
The bread-and-butter of our offense is LeBron driving to the basket, obviously. To make that work, you need a guy who the defense must respect to keep them from using two guys to wall off LeBron going to the hoop. A pick-and-pop guy just isn’t going to do it; good-shooting bigs shoot the midrange J at 40-45%, and LeBron at the rim is a 70% proposition. The math just doesn’t work. That’s why you need a guy like Andy, who can use off-ball movement and dives to find the weak spots in a cheating defense and finish at the basket at 67%.
If you leave Andy free, he’s going to get a layup, which no defense can allow. He’s not going to get 20 points a game, but he’s going to force his man to stick, and the points come from LeBron having freedom to drive. In crunch-time, when the offense goes to heavy pick-and-roll action, nobody makes the roll better than Andy.
On both ends, it’s other guys, particularly LeBron, making the spectacular plays, but it’s often Andy who allows those plays to happen. He’s a piece of this core, he’s consistently been the best big man in the LeBron era, and I’m glad that got recognized.
Big Point #2: Anthony Parker was a big get.
Okay guys, here are the facts:
Player A: 8.9 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.7 SPG, 46% FG, 71% FT, 32% 3-PT
Player B: 10.7 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.2 SPG, 43% FG, 83% FT, 39% 3-PT
Player A is Trevor Ariza. Player B is Anthony Parker. Both have stalwart defensive reputations, and play similar offensive games based around catch-and-shoot threes and open-court and broken-floor drives to the basket. And Ariza’s 3-PT % was easily his career high; Parker’s 3-PT % was his career-low by 4%. He’s older and has less upside, but he comes much cheaper and this is a win-now team.
This is the guy we wanted. He can allow LeBron to play the four, can guard fast 4s and big 3s, loves the open corner three as much as anyone (in Toronto they call the corners “Parkerville”), and doesn’t need the ball to be effective. Ferry’s coveted this guy since he came back over, and now he finally has him. This guy is the super-Wally we needed to make more small-ball lineups work.
My issue is that he plays the same role as our two cheap, promising young athletes, Tarence Kinsey and Danny Green, but again, this is a win-now team and I get minimizing risk.
Big Point #4: The Power Forward we think works best alongside Shaq is LeBron himself.
I’ve made this point before, but I’ll make it again: Good threes are much, much easier to find than good fours. And LeBron is a phenominal four in limited minutes. He can’t handle the play-in-play out defensive responsibility the 4 requires for 40 minutes, and offensively we need LeBron getting more touches than he can get at the 4, but for spurts it’s going to be devistatingly effective. The plan appears to be to take LeBron at the 4 from change-of-pace gimmick to serious part of our strategy, and I’m completely on board. Speaking of…
Big Point #5: Shaq is a change-of-pace player, not a guy to be plugged in for 40 a night, and he appears to be being treated accordingly.
It’s hard to do, but think of Shaq as a 310-pound J.R. Smith or Ben Gordon. He’s going to provide a lot of offensive pop for 25 minutes, but he doesn’t have the two-way ability, versatility, or conditioning to say “he’s our starting center” and call it a day. The move is fitting Shaq into the existing lineup, not fitting a new rotation around Shaq.
Big Point #6: Our best 5 players are not best served playing on the same lineup.
One more time: the spacing doesn’t make sense with a frontcourt of Shaq, Andy, and LeBron. It might work, but it’ll take away from what all of them do best. We’re not going to have a pretty, sweet-looking, dominant 5-man rotation on paper. And that’s not the end of the world. Shifting lineups and “show” starters are the way of the league. 12 guys play a game, not 5. Crunch-time is still a question, but I’ll get to that later.
For now, here’s what I see as our basic frontcourt rotation plan. (Caveat: I am willing to admit that Mike Brown knows more about how to make this basketball team work than I do. Crazy, right? But this is my best guess as to what everyone’s thinking at this point.)
Unit #1: The Starting Lineup
C: Ilgauskas (total minutes at this point: 8)
PF: Varejao (8)
SF: James (8)
Notes: This lineup works. We all know this. Don’t fix what isn’t broken.
Unit #2: Shaq In, Z out at about 4:00 in the 1st quarter
C: Shaq (4)
PF: LeBron (12)
SF: Parker (4)
Notes: Offensive blitz here to end the quarter-at this point, I think we rest LeBron defensively here, keeping him on the perimeter, while have AP plays the 4 role defensively showing and rotating, and dare a big power-forward to punish us. (Pop quiz: name all the ACTUAL power-forwards in this league-Duncan and Gasol don’t count, because they’re really centers-who are legit post-up threats. Fewer than you’d think.)
Unit #3: LeBron’s 1st Rest
C: Shaq (7)
PF: Frye (3)
SF: Parker (7)
Notes: Defense not great here, but Frye keeps the spacing and Mo and Shaq are an AMAZING luxury as a 2nd-unit offense.
Unit #4: Andy back in
C: Andy (11)
PF: Frye (6)
SF: Kinsey/Green (3)
Notes: Pretty speculative with the younger guys, but Parker gets a blow, and this is a short-time unit.
Unit # 5: Starters Back
C: Z (11)
PF: Andy (14)
SF: LeBron (15)
Unit #6: Finish With Shaq
C: Shaq (10)
PF: LeBron (16)
SF: Parker (10)
Again, I stress that this is REALLY rough. Really, really rough. This is more lineups than MB will probably end up using in the actual games, but I went with a lot of lineups to represent the possibilites. And still unanswered is if we can sign Frye (and if he can bounce back to rotation-quality form), if Shaq will consent to coming off the bench, how much Z still has in the tank, etc. The real problem here is that Shaq/Andy doesn’t work offensively and Shaq/Z obviously doesn’t work defensively, and it’s hard to give both of them their minutes.
In the second half, I’d expect to see huge stretches of Shaq/LeBron/Parker or Andy/Z/LeBron, and in crunch-time if offense is needed it’s probably Shaq/LeBron/Parker or Andy/LeBron/Parker as a defensive lineup (provided the other team doesn’t have a 7-foot low-post threat they’re comfortable throwing it down to in crunch-time.)
I’m having a tough time making the math work when Z, Shaq, and Andy all need minutes, but it’ll be fun to see this team figure it out-too much talent is a good problem to have. And I’ve just realized that I completely left JJ Hickson, who I’m really high on, out of the discussion: if he can play with Shaq, lives get a lot easier.
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Interesting post. I’m not entirely sure what you meant about the KC holiday shopping event though, could you elaborate?
TK is playing himself right off of this team. Have you caught either Summer League game?
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This is a little off-topic, but did anyone see the Cavs first summer league game? The recap says Eyenga scored 14 points, but the box score says he scored only 1 point and Jawad WIlliams had 14 points. Anyone know? It’s the same on espn and nba.com.
Krolik – In my opinion the Cavs would be fucking crazy not to start Shaq. Shaq has never not started and putting him on the bench could really fuck him up. You guys made this move to bring in the BIG DIESEL and in basketball you never leave your biggest cars in the garage. Plus your paying this guy 20m+ this year and treating him like the Pistons treated AI is not going to get it done. Z is not a quality center starter come playoff time but Shaq still is. Now you could argue that the Cav’s will get… Read more »
I really don’t think he’s worth 50 million over 6 years but the Cav’s probably made a good move if he’s that indispensable to your team. Reminds me of the Luke Walton signing – a guy we had to pay off a few years back just to salvage something of value from those seasons. The brunt of Andy’s contract won’t be for a few years and with Shaq + Lebron’s contracts coming off the books you guys are STILL going to have a ton of cap space to resign said players to your team. That being said your stuck with… Read more »
The more I think about Danny Green, the more excited I get. He fits the exact profile of the wing we needed. The only question is whether he will be good enough at the things he’s supposed to be good at. It worked out pretty well for North Carolina.
You can’t combine the bi-annual exception and the MLE…none of you know how the salary cap. Billy, its a 6 year deal, 42.5 of which is guaranteed. Get your facts straight
Billy, let’s see if we can break this down. The Cavaliers were, are, and have been over the cap since the season ended. When a team is over the cap, they CANNOT extend any offer they want to any player, unless they own the bird rights on that player. To own a player’s bird rights, said player would have to have been on the team x number of years (can’t remember how many). This means that the Cavs could extend that offer to Varejao, and Varejao only. There literally was NO money to offer Bass or Millsap. The MLE is… Read more »
“Didn’t have money for Millsap or Bass”? Except… the money that was used to overpay Varejao… I’m bleeding from my ears. It’s okay to take off the rose-colored glasses and question your team’s move every once in a while. LeBron isn’t going to stay or leave based off you wondering on the internet if Danny Ferry is crazy or not.
They didn’t have money for Millsap or Bass. How hard is it to understand that Varejao was the only option? Besides, I’d take Andy over Bass. Millsap…. we’ll wait and see what he does as a starter for a full season. Assuming he ever becomes a starter.
Frye is gone.
So, uh… Drew Gooden, this is awkward. Sorry we traded you, but, uh, we’re kind of looking for a power forward.
Would you rather have Brandon Bass who just turned 24 at 4 years, $18 million or Varejao at 5 years, $50 million (with the last year only partially guaranteed)? Or how about Paul Millsap at 4 years, $34 million? Those deals make the Varejao contract look even worse. “Slightly overpaid” is *slightly* understated.
Varejao is a lot of things both negative and positive but undersized at power forward? Since when is 6’11”,260 lbs. undersized? That’s not even undersized at center. Now if you meant lack of strength rather than size, i agree completely. Lebron needs to get him in the weight room and add some lean muscle to his brazilian buddy.
There is not a team in the league that uses all 12 of it’s players on a consistent basis. The last two or three players are rookies or “in case of emergency break glass” injury players. The cavs will have an 8 or 9 man rotation except when there is a blowout. And do you honestly believe that shaq will not be starting?! You’re to young to be drinking so it must be crack.
@ The Natural I would have loved to have gotten Camby. I don’t think he was available though, the Clippers wanted to keep him over Kamen and Randolph because of his short contract. But you are right, he would have been very nice. I’m pretty sure the Cavs did try to get him at the deadline too. Birdman is a different story. I am a fan of his, he is obviously a great shot blocker, but you are wrong to mention that he is a much better finisher. I know its hypocritical of me to say Varejao can’t be measured… Read more »
@Ricky. If i remember correctly Hollinger also picked the Rockets and the Nuggets against the Lakers. Funny you quoted hollinger because he’s a stats kind of guy. And you just mentioned that Andy’s worth isnt measured with stats. Umm… also, do you really need a quote from James to know that he’s not happy with what management has done with the Cavs in the past? The endless NY references arent enough for you. How about the fact that he’s hurting the team indirectly by keeping the franchise in limbo which then prevents other FA’s to committ to the Cavs past… Read more »
I take issue with a few things in Krolik’s post regarding Andy’s ability to get this team to the next level. For one – not starting Shaq? Not going to happen. Also, if you believe Shaq will be such a good passer out of the post for LBJ (like he was for Wade, Kobe, as well as 3pt specialists Damon Jones, and Antoine Walker) he can just as easily pass to a flashing Andy along the baseline. Also, when you break the deal down – it comes down to the MLE for this year and going forward – there are… Read more »
“A lot of people are killing the Cavs for the Varejao deal. I didn’t think it was that bad. The last year is a partial guarantee, the per-year numbers aren’t ridiculous (he starts under $7 mil this year), and if they pushed it much lower OKC or Portland could have made a push for him — remember, he was unrestricted. He’s not a scorer, but he’s an elite defending big who can rebound. Historically, teams have paid for that.” John Hollinger in an ESPN.com chat. A person whose opinion I value highly
Further, Krolik said Mike Brown’s defense “might” be the best in the league, and he was referring to the system they run. It is similar to the defense Boston runs, only they have better players running it when KG is healthy. And still, it is far from a definitive statement saying it is the best. Other teams have better defenses because of personnel, but the Cavs run a very good system, but unfortunately they had Mo guarding PGs and Z guarding Cs
Yeah, as a Mavs fan that Marion deal is ugly, but he can still finish at the rim and play good defense which is exactly what the Mavs need him for rather than him trying to create his own shot on a bad Miami/Toronto team. Also with the roster so old already I like the decision to just make one last push and be awful in 3 years rather than sit in 45 win purgatory like the Pistons.
Finally, I agree that pick and pop big men are nice to have and are important. But a guy like Varejao is important too.
Thank you Steve for illustrating why it is not a gross overpayment and making a lot of great points The Natural: I actually did mean astute. My bad. Thanks for clearing that up I will give you that Shaq and Andy won’t be an ideal duo to play at the same time, but it probably will work out where they won’t have to if the Cavs can sign Frye and get good burn from Hickson and Jackson. Cavs would be a bad defensive team with Jamison on the team and not Varejao. But a better offensive team. So maybe not… Read more »
First of all, everyone needs to simmer down. Let’s look at this rationally. AV signed 6 year contract for 42 mil, and the last year is only partially guaranteed. With incentives (which means he will be earning the extra money here people) could bring it up to 50. Basically, he’s going to be getting 7 mil a year with a possibility of a little over 8 if we he isn’t bought out of the last year and reaches all of his incentives. Last year he made almost 6, so basically, Ferry gave him a 1 mil a year raise. Is… Read more »
Varejao maybe got slightly overpaid but who didn’t this offseason. He plays good defense and plays his role well and he’s only like 26. I really doubt they can go with Shaq off the bench though. He’ll say he’s fine with it at first and all that but there’s a reason his departure from all his teams have been at least a little messy. Also the Ariza/Parker comparison seems a little unfair. Here’s some other facts about those two. Player A 14.6 pts 7.0 reb 2.9 ast 54.4 true shooting % Player B 13.0 pts 4.8 reb 4.1 ast 52.4… Read more »
I’d rain on a $60 million parade for Varejao too. Turkoglu was more important and harder to replace for the Magic’s playstyle, and he wasn’t worth $10 million/yr to them. Verejao is a MLE player, even for what he provides to the Cavs. That’s a lot of money eating into an ever-shrinking cap for a lot of years for a player who’s already reached a very limited ceiling.
Krolik’s assessment of Varejao is as exaggerated as the contract. (BTW. Andy was a FA this year. You gave him a contract. Hence you signed him. How difficult is that, Ricky?)
@Ricky. I think by ignorant, you mean astute. My first point is to call out the author for some extreme hyperbole. Mainly that the Cavs would win 5-10 less games if they had Jamison instead of Varejao. If you really think this, i have some great beachside property in Utah I want to sell you. I get that Varejao is a different player than Jamison. Brings different things. But to suggest that the Cavs would be less successful with Jamison is absurd. Do you agree? My second point isnt really about Varejao. It’s about another exaggeration, which states that Mike… Read more »
Perfectly said Ricky. The Natural just wants to rain on the parade.
Birdman and Varejao are not the same player. Birdman is a block specialist, Varejao is more of a position defender. Their styles are completely different. You also missed the point on his Jamison remark. Jamison does a lot of things Andy does not do, like anything on offense outside of 5 feet, but we have other guys who do that same thing. Jamison cannot do the things Varejao is good at, and we have no one else on this team who can. On your second point, you adjusted the sentence to make your point, so its really just not valid.… Read more »
so, wait:
varejao: 5/6 yrs, $42-50 million
marion: 5 yrs, $39 million
birdman: 5 yrs, $26 million
this is fucked up.
Ok, so, what about 2 guard? Who starts? Parker or Delonte? I say Delonte, but let Parker come off the bench. Now, I think the Cavs are 1 starter away from being AWESOME. Weird rumor on hoopshype about Gerald Wallce for Wally and Hickson. Now I think that rumor’s bunk. The ONLY way that Charlotte would do it is if we signed Wally to a massive 1 year deal at 14 million and we took back Diop or Nazr Mohammed with Wallace. Which, would be extremely irresponsible, fiscally. But maybe Charlotte is desperate enough to cut long term contracts, so… Read more »
I am happy with the moves (especially if they can find a shooting big like Frye to add for what money is left). I agree that the contribution of Andy cannot be understated, and while they may have overpaid a little, not by as much as people think. Big men get paid a lot, particularly ones who average basically 8 and 8 in limited minutes and give the energy/defense Andy does. I am glad to have him locked up for years to come, so we at least have some idea of our core in 2010-2012. I am also worried about… Read more »
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The good news for Danny Ferry is, that he didnt overpay the most for a player during the day. Bargnani set to make $50 mil for 5 years. But at least he can get his own shot. Hell, at least he can make a shot outside of 5 ft. from the basket.
I really cant emphasize enough what a joke of a signing these are. Both of them. And not a single negative peep from the voice of Cavs nation (Yes cavstheblog. I consider you the best Cavs blog out there. No equivocation. Hence my disappointment in this post).
whatever you need to believe that andy was worth $50 mil for 6 years. go ahead and write it down. nevermind that a slightly richer man’s andy varejao was inked today by another team without so much as a peep from the cavs. $26 mil over 5 years is all that it took the nuggets to sign chris andersen. but let’s not even mention that. let’s go ahead and break this down. 1. “However, if you replaced Anderson Varejao with Jamison last year, the team would have won 5-10 less games.” (My head almost blew up when i read this.… Read more »