Scouting Summer League
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The Summer Cavs finally got into the win column Monday night in Las Vegas: blowing the doors off the Timberwolves who were missing top pick Kris Dunn. Cleveland won 99-66, led by Jordan McRae, Kay Felder, and Raphiael Putney. Cleveland used aggressive and engaged defense to pitch a 29-9 third quarter, stifling the Tyus Jones led T-Wolves. If we’re being honest, only a couple of these guys have a chance to make the Cavs’ regular season roster. Let’s break them down.
Jordan McRae: We’ve seen what Jordan can do against NBA quality defense, when he scored 36 and dropped seven dimes in the final regular season game against Detroit (and, admittedly, their third string defense). McRae has very long arms, a herky-jerky change of direction, and the ability to finish with both hands from multiple angles. He has a decent mid-range jump shot, is a willing passer, and has the frame and movement ability to be an excellent defender. Jordan had a solid outing, going 4-11 from the floor with 11 points, three dimes, three turnovers, and four boards in 24 minutes Monday.
McRae’s biggest NBA limitation seems to be his lack of explosiveness given his size. His ability to finish is based on his length, wingspan, and unorthodox releases (he has a great left hand floating finger roll). But, while he can get by with those in the D-League and against third stringers, he will have a harder time against more athletic NBA rotation players. It’s hard to gauge McRae in summer league because he’s really working on being a scorer, and unfortunately it’s plummeting his shooting. He’s at 32% in Vegas, including 3-14 from three. Unfortunately for the Cavs, he’s more of a scorer than a shooter. He’s streaky, and will have to really work on his three-point shot to be a floor spacer. His real niche might be as a bench scorer who can get to the line.
His long arms and his ability to get under defenders leads to lots of trips to the stripe. He’s been there 41 times in three games in Vegas (gotta love unlimited fouls). Ultimately, defense is where he’ll have to hang his hat in the NBA. If he can become a good defender who can provide some scoring off the bench, he’ll stick. He had an OK game Monday, and was a big part of the third quarter run, but it’s clear that he’s using this stint to focus on his offense. His footwork is solid, but his vision on offense and defense are just average, as his his athleticism.
The Cavs have mentioned him as a backup point possibility, and frankly, I don’t see it. His assist to turnover ratio is below one in Vegas, and was about 1.3 in the D-League. That’s pretty weak for a point. More likely, he’ll be a scoring wing who can provide some offense off the bench and some defense, but he’ll have to become a much better shooter to get much rotation time.
Kay Felder AKA Killer Shrimp, had a very solid night. The five-foot-nine inch guard was 6-7 inside the arc (and 1-6 from three), showed a really tight handle, a lightning crossover, a very quick first step, and a great ability to change speeds and freeze defenders with hesitation. As a rookie, Felder displays the footwork and ability to get around screens that took Kyrie Irving six years to learn. Felder’s defensive footwork is excellent: great balance, short choppy steps, good awareness of screens, and an ability to route himself around them. He also shows a willingness and strength – despite his size – to impede the roller. Felder had a nose for the ball in his first two games too: pinching down on the defender and floating to the free-throw line to grab rebounds. He’s gathered nine steals, nine rebounds, and even two blocks including this chasedown!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BHtKXUjDTCE/
Felder also sports excellent vision and a willingness to set up the offense, move the ball, and get out of the way when necessary. He has a very mature game. Despite the Nate Robinson comparisons, Felder seems to have much better vision. Kay is good at finding creases and using different release points on his passes to make up for his size. His quickness gives him a cushion against defenders that others may not have. Felder also has taken care of the ball: sporting 12 assists and only three turnovers in 83 minutes in Vegas. He also doesn’t force it inside. When he doesn’t have a makeable shot, he keeps dribbling or kicks it to a shooter, but does flash a better floater than I saw in three years from Delly. He can also finish well with either hand (and he is a lefty), and has Kyrie-like wrong foot finishes in his repertoire. His mid-ranger is as good as I’ve seen from a rookie point guard, and his shooting form is very good with an excellent release and spin.
Kay’s biggest problem so far seems to be that he can’t shoot threes off the dribble at NBA range yet. He’s 1-10 in Vegas and the lone make was on a catch-and-shoot. Given the arc and backspin that he puts on the ball (and he has to arc it at his size), Felder’s having a very hard time raising up with enough strength to get his shot going consistently. He’s drifting or flailing on that shot, and he didn’t display much NBA range in the combine either. He’ll have to work on this before Cavs training camp, because it’s not hard to defend a five-foot-nine point guard, when a defender can just go under the screen every time.
https://youtu.be/Ix8LYPYelnA
Overall, Felder’s a very interesting prospect with a very solid body for a small guy. He is extremely quick on both ends of the floor, and his vision for a rookie is impressive. But his biggest challenge will come from mastering the NBA three the way guys like Barea and Isaiah Thomas have. Kay will need a shooting coach who has worked with smaller players. Unfortunately, at 21, I don’t see a huge impact from him this season for the Cavs.
Raphiael Putney has had an interesting Summer League. The six-foot-nine forward has flashed eye opening shooting numbers: 9-17 in three games. Putney had 19 in 21 minutes Monday, and Minnesota had absolutely no answers for him. He was 5-7 from three and 7-12 from the floor to go along with six rebounds and a game high +26. Putney played for the Rio Grande Vipers last summer, and, as Brent Barry noted in the broadcast, “All that team does is shoot threes.” Putney’s built like a stick. He’s listed at 185, and he scored 17 points per game, to go along with eight rebounds and 2.3 blocks in 31 minutes a night for RGV. If he keeps shooting like this, Putney will certainly be in someone’s camp, maybe even Cleveland’s. His odds of making the NBA out of Cleveland’s camp are pretty long though.
Putney also showed an impressive ability to put the ball on the floor and finish deftly off the dribble for a big man. His ceiling is probably an end of rotation combo forward.
Cleveland will return to the hardwood when the Summer League Tournament commences later this week. Hopefuls Sir’Dom Pointer, Cory Jefferson, Kenny Gabriel, and DeAndre Liggins – who all had good games but face even longer odds to make the roster – will need all the exposure they can get.
It’s not enough… but it’s a step in the right direction…
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17029515/nba-tries-curb-hack-strategy-tweaking-away-play-foul-rules
So this is my idea and I don’t see any drawbacks – the player that is awarded foul shots for any foul committed by a defensive player is taken by the offensive player in possession of the ball at the time of the foul. This means you can keep DJ in the game but you are penalized by his horrible free throw shooting in that he can’t touch the ball on offense without risking being fouled. I think this also works for endgame situations as well, so that the intention of the offense trying to run out the clock is… Read more »
I finally got as chance to re-watch game 7 for the first time tonight. I blew off so much real life stuff when the Cavs started to, well, become real life stuff, that I needed to stay busy until now. First big thing that jumped out to me: how about JR going 3/3 (2/2 from 3) for 8 points in the first few minutes of the third quarter, when GS had their largest lead in the game at 8! That few minutes is totally why we pay him, and why we’re okay with him being quite some halves or even… Read more »
Those JR buckets were a huge difference in the game. The Cavs were in big danger of getting down double digits…I was extremely worried before they came back and tied it.
One last thing: When Delly did his “pesky defender” thing on Curry in 2015’s finals, I really fell in love with him. That was the best defensive performance, given talent level, that I’d ever seen in games that really mattered. Then I saw TT defending Curry in 2016, especially game 7, and he actually topped it. Incredible. There isn’t another 5 in the league that can pull that sort of perimeter/drive defense, and as the years pass his contract only gets better and better.
I remember when Smokin Joe was “working” on his game which is why he sucked in summer league. So not buying McRae excuses. The coaches will say anything. Unfortunately the Cavs need a PG after letting Delly go.
Nah. We got enough ball handlers. Just need a few minutes here and there from Felder and McRae. We will be fine.
http://www.Don‘tSleepOnFelder.com
Nate, I had to do a double take when you said that Felder’s floater is better than Delly’s. Your unbiased journalism is bar none. Great write up.
As for nicknames, I must say that the anagram theme should be the primary source for nicknames unless another name preceded the player or simply is overwhelmingly perfect. One of the things that makes CtB so original and excellent is the high quality language skills of the editors and posters. Haiku’s, anagrams, metaphors, discourse on Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance…nothing says not-athletic-enough-at-basketball-so-I-majored-in-English like CtB.
this is a good call but I don’t think the “best” nicknames are necessarily derived from anagrams. If it were to be done it should be a meta-level editorial decisions, because the votes will probably not bear this out
I am going to disagree. Anagrams should be chosen on merit only. So far, there has been one great one: “Much Danger Ninja”. There is zero chance that any anagram will top “Killer Shrimp”.
Most of the anagrams range from weak to worse. “Saint Weirdo” is kind of in a special category, like Dion is in kind of a special category.
Plus there is zero chance of finding a visual better than this for an anagram…
http://esq.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/05/54cb6446ac927_-_killer-shrimp-091410-xlg.jpg
I dunno, we’ve had some good ones when we put our minds to it – Mime Killer jumps to mind. I’m just saying that some of the nicknames seem pretty forced, and anagrams are original to CtB as well as entertaining.
Well maybe Ye Dark Elf. But I still like Killer Shrimp better. Definitely more than Flaky Deer. I do like Major Dancer for Jordan McRae but nothing will top Saint Weirdo and Much Danger Ninja.
All we can do is sit and hope for the best right now. Pretty much in the dark on everything that DG and DG are doing over there. Not much more than a peep out of anyone over in the front office. Inching closer to August when we know nothing will be happening.
Which is great since we are the champs.
Finally Cols you can stop worrying about OKC! Now who worries you?
No one.
I’ve been hammering refresh to get all the vote choices; is there some smarter way to get through the whole list?
Clearly a flawed method on my part. I’m going to do a post with all of them.
Plugged Jordan McRae into the Anagram machine and got a few interesting names:
Major Dancer
Cream Jordan
Card Jar Omen
Mr Ace Jordan
Red Acorn Jam
Rad Jam Crone
and uh … Darn Come Jar
Orange Mamba it is!
Cream Jordan sort of fits the same vein as Orange Mamba.
Cream Jordan is the sickest nickname ever, but McRae isn’t good enough for it yet.
Darn Come Jar is a nickname that will take the league by storm…
I’ve got one of those. Two kids is enough for me and the wife.
I hope the Pope does not find out.
Cream Jordan… (well Ice Cream Jordan anyway…)
http://paxanga.com/shop/234847-thickbox_alysum/nike-air-jordan-ice-cream-pack-snapback.jpg
Also…
The other side…
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This was a really nice, balanced write up. I like how you noted McRae’s ability to get to the line. Despite his cold shooting, he has 61 points on only 42 shots! His ability to get to the line make him a high TS% guy (Harden-esque). My hope is Lue takes the Popopvichian approach to McRae and Felder this year — give them minutes early in the season, even if it costs us some wins. This MIGHT allow them to be legit bench guys by end of season. For us, the regular season is really just a long pre-season, so… Read more »
After last year, I finally convinced myself we don’t need home court advantage just a top four seed. LeBron has won a road game in I think 26 series in a row, so that sure provides the utmost comfort. I think the Cavs will win 5 next year without taxing any of our key players, and 55 wins is probably a two seed in the east.
Home court advantage is nice, and you never know when you need it. Like the year Boston beat the Cavs, and the home team won all seven games.
OTOH, the Cavs should be able to win the East while giving LeBron lots of days off.
Yeah, home field really only matters in Game 7s. In a weak East, the likelihood of a game 7 ECF is low. Add to that the fact that LBJ actually is a great road player (better than at home) and it doesn’t matter except to have home court in a Game 7 in the Finals. And with the strength of the West, it would be too much sacrifice in the regular season to get it. Not worth it.
Great write-up, Nate! Not sure why I love watching Summer League so much… but I totally do.
I had the same feeling watching Felder: he did not seem over-matched EXCEPT when it came to shooting the three ball off the dribble. If he’s capable of getting his percentage into the mid-30s, he might have a chance to be effective against NBA trees.
So, now that my confidence in Felder seems more rational, my new irrational Summer League attachment is all in on Raphiel Putney.
It’s probably not that important if he can shoot threes off the dribble quite yet anyways. Just needs to be able to catch and shoot them for the most part. His midrange game sounds pretty great which is something we could use.
Be aware that picks are a big part of NBA offense. But they do nothing if the ball handler cannot fire a three if the defender goes under the pick.
Being able to shoot on the move is much more valuable than just when you are open.
Obviously. But we just saw that a player who cannot shoot off the dribble like Delly can also be useful as a backup during the regular season if they can do other things well.
Yes, shooting off the dribble and creating your own offense is super important, which why the trade Kyrie people and start Delly needed their heads examined.
Nate, did you go to Las Vegas or watch these games on NBA teevee?
Just TV.
If anyone votes for JHoops they should lose their CtB membership. Please no stupid nicknames like St. Weirdo.
Apparently this was a popular nickname for Jones by his teammates, and it’s pronounced “joops.”
Oh. I suck.
Will the CtB polls finally translate to a CtB play of the game?
yeah it should
You can always do an instant Play of the Game poll on Cavs the Tweets. Might be easier than adding it to a live thread.
Thanks for this writeup. I’ve been wondering how those guys looked. Felder sounds like he’s way more advanced than Delly was at his age.
Except on 3s and defence which are both considered important in the NBA.
When Delly came into the league he sucked at pretty much everything.
Delly had one big advantage – 7 or 8 inches of height. That and he’s also a prety smart basketball player. I’m hoping for the best for Felder, but there are loads of guys like him who littler the D league and international leagues…
True enough. Although Felder sounds like he’s as smart as Delly. But yeah, clearly the height thing sucks.
Killer Shrimp will make a difference… I’m convinced of it
Hope you are right on Killer Shrimp, EG. Brian Windhourst has been repeating a line on his WKNR podcasts that when you win a championship you “….never have to say you’re sorry.” Of course we would love to have had those #1 draft picks that were lost to get Moz, so we could use them to acquire a back up point guard in Round One. I am concerned that an aging Mo is having surgery and we are obviously thin there. Maybe we will get lucky with Fielder as a mid second rounder. Or maybe Griffin has another rabbit up… Read more »
Nope. We needed Moz last year. It was a great trade. Everything is Awesome.
Loving the polls! Nice work Nate!
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