The Point Four-ward: No Points Bulletin
2016-09-07Four points I’m thinking about the Cleveland Cavaliers…
1.) With training camp opening in just a few weeks, the Cavs are slowly accumulating their roster of invitees. Assuming the Cavs eventually reach a deal with J.R. Smith, they will carry thirteen guaranteed contracts heading into camp.
Yesterday, cleveland.com reported that former Brooklyn Nets guard Markel Brown has joined Cory Jefferson and DeAndre Liggins as contenders for the final two spots on the defending champs’ roster.
With the status of Mo Williams still uncertain as the Cavs head into the season, the team’s most pressing need would seem to be getting one more ball handler into camp, whether that means inviting a free agent on a non-guaranteed deal or by figuring out a way to deal Williams for a proven NBA player.
In his weekend notes, Terry Pluto weighed in on the Williams situation:
The Cavs really don’t know what Mo Williams plans to do. There have been rumors of his retirement, but neither he nor his agent has told the Cavs that he is quitting. But there also are few signs he is preparing for the season… I doubt Williams will play this season. He has been very disconnected from the team. It’s an odd situation.
Should Williams decide to retire, the Cavs would have a third roster spot available, making the Cavs an attractive situation for a training camp invitee.
2.) Still, Brown doesn’t seem like a great fit for the Cavs. For one thing, he shot only 31% from three point range last season (and that was up from 26% his rookie year) and the Cavs need their perimeter players — heck, they need all of their players outside of Tristan Thompson — to be able to hit outside shots and keep the floor spaced for LeBron James and Kyrie Irving. I’ve said it before: Matthew Dellavedova‘s defense and point guard play was excellent, but I don’t think he gets the run he did last year if he hadn’t made himself into a 40% shooter from deep. One of the big concerns with Kay Felder‘s otherwise sterling summer league showing was his ineffectiveness behind the arc. And it was the threat of Williams’s shot that was getting him minutes over Delly in Game 7 of the 2016 NBA Finals.
Brown is a solid defender, though, and there is some wisdom to filling out your roster with guys whose best skill is less variable than a player with sparkling offense. In many ways, he’s like a mini-version of Iman Shumpert, which doesn’t sound like a recipe for solving the Cavs’ back-up point guard troubles.
3.) Or does it?
The Cavs have experimented playing Shumpert at the position he played in college at Georgia Tech and the results haven’t always been pretty. Still, if you trace back the Tyronn Lue branch of the coaching tree, you find a man whose offensive system was able to maximize the skills of non-traditional point guards: Phil Jackson and his use of Tex Winter’s Triangle Offense.
While both Jackson and the Triangle have attracted criticism for not being in lock-step with the modern NBA of space-and-pace, many teams — including the Cavaliers — use aspects of the Triangle and, looking back to how Lue used Shumpet in the Finals, they might start incorporating more.
Back when current Lakers head coach Luke Walton came to the Cavs to form high basketball IQ bench bunch known as the Herculoids, he said this about the what type of point guard can succeed running the triangle:
The Triangle offense is more of the point guard making the pass to the wing, which initiates the offense… In the Triangle, we had Fish (Derek Fisher) with so much success because he was OK with making that pass and then going to the corner, getting open shots or eventually coming off a corner pick-and-roll if the ball got there. It takes a certain understanding and certain types of players to have success with that offense.
While Shumpert’s decision making and ball handling have never seemed sharp enough to play a lot of lead guard, he is at his worst when he tries to break his man down in isolation. He is solid enough to bring the ball up court and initiate the offense. A lot of the Cavs action led Shumpert into the corner… and he did have this play in Game 7 where he seemed comfortable taking an open shot from the corner.
For some sense of how the Triangle doesn’t have to be the four-letter word of NBA offenses, check out Coach Nick’s video below. The Cavs-specific material comes at 3:45, 6:25, and 8:26, but the whole thing’s a good watch.
4.) Finally, if Cavs fans needed a reminder that the regular season is just around the corner, Richard Jefferson obliged by posting an image of the extra, special bling Cavs players will be able to flash on their fingers following their October 25 home opener against the New York Knicks.
Jefferson leaked the image of the Cavs championship rings on his now legendary Snapchat account. And, as expected, the rings are a tasteful, modest display of the team’s big achievement.
No. Of course, they’re not. They are championship-y to the hilt, loud, flashy and adorned with all that glitters.
So, while many NBA fans have turned shifted their attention back to the Bay Area in anticipation of Kevin Durant‘s first season with the Golden State Warriors, the Cavs will soon have a sparkling reminder of just who the defending champs are and just what they’ll be trying to follow up in 2016-17.
Nice piece. One issue, however. I think the roster analysis is a bit off. You say that our camp invitees (Liggins, Jefferson, Brown) are fighting for two roster spots, possibly three if Mo retires. This is based on the fact that we have 13 guaranteed contracts heading into camp, assuming we sign JR. This is true, but also misleading. McRae is on a non-guaranteed deal, and he isn’t going anywhere. Nor is he mentioned among those competing for the two roster spots. He has to be mentioned in one of those two camps. I’ll break it down for you: Guaranteed… Read more »
Robert:
Love the piece as always, but I’ve seen nothing in the last two years that tells me the following statement is true: Iman Shumper “is solid enough to bring the ball up court and initiate the offense.”
Agreed. Shumpert is an absolute catastrophe with the ball in his hands.
AGREE WITH EVIL THAT I THINK WE SEE AN IMPROVED SHUMP ( BEING HEALTHY FOR THE 1ST TIME ) WITH THAT SAID DID THE CAVS INVITE MARKEL BROWN TO CAMP ( WITH SIMILAR SKILLS TO SHUMP ) TO POSSIBLY SET UP A TRADE TO 76ERS USING SHUMP ( AND OTHER PLAYERS ) AS THE MAJOR TRADE BAIT —-JUST A THOUGHT —-IF SO WHO WOULD YOU PREFER NOEL OR OKAFOR —I AM LEANING TOWARDS NOEL
I don’t think we need any more front court help. At this point, I wouldn’t give up any members of our back court for a forward/center.
We don’t need any more centers. We have TT, Frye, Love, Anderson to play that position. We are deeper there this year than last year when Mozgov was awful and Kaun sucks.
Watching the triangle video, it’s amazing how much more crisp the Spurs and Warriors replays are than any other team’s. All these teams are executing the same action but SA and GS stand out. I wonder if that’s from excellent, efficient practice… or is it something else? I lol’d at the Tony Parker fake handoff at 8:13.
The Cleveland skyline on the rings is gorgeous as is the “LII”
It should be noted that there are 37 people who breathe oxygen and have eyeballs and fingers who think Delly is going to average more assists than LBJ.
Don’t think Delly could hit 7 assists a game? Him and LeBron both averaged almost exactly 7 assists per 36 minutes (also the # of mins LBJ averaged last season). Theoretically, whoever plays more minutes would avg more assists based solely on those stats. Not too farfetched.
FYI I voted for Leb
I still think Shump is due for a breakout year… I really expected it last season before he hurt his wrist. He never seemed to catch up after that…
It’s totally possible. This is his first healthy offseason in 3 years. We could see some real improvement.
Hope springs eternal I guess :)
It used to be hope… but now that the Cavs won the chip, it’s more like confidence springs eternal…
Hypothetical question given their similar contracts: would you rather have Shump or Delly?
Shump. He was an important Finals rotation player. Delly sat and cheered.
Awesome stuff as usual Robert! Man, that championship ring looks heavy…
Seriously those rings are so cool… It’s not every year you end a city’s 52-year sports curse!
I actually like Markel Brown’s potential quite a bit. He hit 36 percent from the college arc before struggling in the NBA. It doesn’t seem to be a distance issue with him. Brown has the tendency to bring the ball up the left side of of his body before crossing his face preceding his release point. That isn’t necessarily a kiss of death. Curry and scores of other great shooters do that. The thing is, Brown doesn’t do it consistently. What is promising is that when he brings the ball from the middle or pulls up going to his right(which… Read more »
Well… he can definitely get up and throw it down as they say…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jol1gATtPtk
It’s pretty doubtful he makes the team though.
I think he is far more likely to make the squad than Liggins or Cory Jefferson. Brown is a real NBA player. Those other guys might be.
No doubt about that. At least Brown has some NBA skills.
Really do wonder what’s up with Mo. Why he has been so disconnected from the team since The Finals? His knee has to be bad, since Mo must know he would get 15-20 mins perhaps every night with Delly gone. Seems like a great situation for him, and the Cavs, if he really wants to play.
But there was this:
Kay Felder workout w/ Mo Williams & Lucky Legend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WuZww-swNk
Was thinking today, a lot of people gave Love grief over his weight this season because many felt he wasn’t heavy or strong enough to bang down low. While I can’t say that Love has truly ever been a low-post “banger”, I can say that many people expect him to be. However, if Love doesn’t drop those 15 pounds and get that fraction of a second lighter on his feet, maybe he doesn’t make that defensive stop against Curry in the last seconds of game 7 and consequently, maybe we don’t win an NBA championship.
Yep. As usual, people were wrong about Kevin Love. I’m surprised Nate didn’t want to trade him for Omri Casspi.
Cols, it’s the off season. Why don’t you at least save your constant undue criticism of Nate for the regular season. It gets old.
Has he admitted he was wrong to want to trade Irving and start Delly? Or maybe he can post a cartoon making fun of Kyrie. That was great.
I’ll take, “Things Nate never said for $500, Alex.”
Cols is in training all year round!
Griffin has done a great job with the roster this off-season. I love that we are entering the season in better shape than last season. Assuming JR Smith is back of course.
DEFENDING CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday, October 25th can’t come soon enough.