Pre-Cap: Cavs 117, Magic 102 (or, Mooovin’ On Uuup…)
2016-10-06Much has been made of the median age of the Cleveland Cavaliers as they find themselves on the cusp of beginning their quest to repeat as NBA Champions. Some might even dare to call them “long in the tooth.” And, that’s not a wholly wrong assessment. In fact, now that Timmy has hung up his spurs in San Antonio, the Cavs are the second oldest team in the League at an average of 29.5 years old… just a grey hair younger than the Clippers (29.6). Though much of their core is still young or in their prime, several key bench contributors are on the wrong side of 35, and neither Mike Dunleavy (36) nor Birdman Andersen (38) did much to help that average.
As a team built to compete for a title on a yearly basis, the emphasis should of course be on experience… yet, it’s important to have an smattering of youth to help balance that out and keep the veterans fresh over the long haul of the regular season. Well, if the Cavs’ first preseason game of the 2016-17 campaign is any indication… youth is about to be very well served, and could possibly be movin’ on up into the rotation in the near future.
The Cavs won exactly one preseason game last season, primarily because they were missing the majority of their starting lineup. Kyrie and Kevin were coming back from injury, Shump had just gotten injured, and LeBron only participated in two early games before resting his newly injected back. That left J.R. Smith and the relatively shallow bench to mop up the meaningless contests. Not that it mattered since the games don’t count. Yet, this year, beyond the easy confidence of having a title under their belts, there’s something else brewing with this Cavalier bench… an infusion of youngbloods.
It was fairly clear from the outset of this kick-off tilt to the preseason that the Orlando Magic would not be a difficult obstacle to overcome, especially with injuries to Serge Ibaka and Elfrid Payton (not to mention a pretty rough bench bunch). Even without the services of a still-in-contract-negotiation-hell J.R., or a late scratch Tristan Thompson (due to a non serious foot issue), or a resting Uncle Drew (who was content to let the youngbloods get buckets in his stead… as long as they didn’t reach too high), the Cavs still showed they had more than enough to dispel the Magic.
LeBron James and Kevin Love had a blast from the start. James looked like the 19-year-old spring chicken that Ty Lue said he’s been imitating in practice, as he racked up seven points (on 3-of-4 shooting) and six assists in just 13 minutes. Two of his assists came on the first two buckets of the game, which were both threes, one by Love and one (off of a Vine-worthy baseline pass) by Shump.
https://vine.co/v/5guOU7vnEbu
Bron even canned a triple of his own before his brief first quarter stint was up, and could be seen dancing his way to the sidelines. For his part KLove added eight points and four rebounds in his 13 minutes of action, while looking strong and decisive both in the post and beyond the arc. He also had two assists, including another trademark touchdown pass to LeBron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxe5p7y21Y
Together, James and Love triggered a three point barrage in the first half (the team shot 12-16 for an incredible 75% in the first 24 minutes), and by the time both were out of the game for good, the Cavs were ahead by 29. They got plenty of help on bombs from the seniors including Channing Frye (5-8 and 2-2 from deep), Richard Jefferson and Mike Dunleavy (who both knocked down a triple). But they also got 2-3 from beyond the arc by the Orange Mamba, Jordan McRae, which was just a part of his highlights for the evening. It was almost enough to make you forget that Swish wasn’t a part of the long range festivities, as the Cavs finished 13-27 (48%) for the game from downtown.
Because Kyrie had a scheduled night off, the Cavs started former D-Leaguer DeAndre Liggins in his place. Liggins (whom I’ve temporarily decided to nickname “No Dub” or “No Dubs Allowed” since he’s like Wiggins without the “W” and because if he sticks, his D may help thwart the Warriors someday — okay, I’m probably trying too hard…) had a decent all-around game with six points, three assists, a steal and two blocks, while playing some good defense. He did turn the ball over three times, but not a bad showing from a career combo guard.
But, the real eye openers were the first two guards off the bench, McRae and Kay “Killer Shrimp” Felder. McRae led all scorers with a game high 20 points (on 8-13 shooting), with seven rebounds and five assists in just 24 minutes. He was also a team high +21, and he showed tremendous ability to not only hit his outside shots, but also to attack the rack with gusto. One particular foray resulted in an especially nasty posterization of Bismack Biyombo.
https://vine.co/v/5gu0PJZQit6
Jordan McRae just flushed a dunk all over Bismack Biyombo, harming his manhood worse that Dahntay Jones did in the ECF, I'd imagine.
— Dave McMenamin (@mcten) October 6, 2016
This dunk, and the rest of his on-court performance led to a postgame interview, during which he was reportedly serenaded by LeBron from across the room as the rest of the team cheered him on.
“Movin’ on upppp, to the east siddeeee, to a deluxe apartment in the skyyyy,” James sang, belting out the theme song to “The Jeffersons.”
Though I couldn’t find footage of this… if you are unfamiliar with the tune, here’s a refresher…
Another reserve who was movin’ on up along with McRae was the rookie Felder, who came off the bench behind NDA to contribute 14 points (on 7-11 shooting), with four rebounds, two assists and a few steals. Not too bad for his first official NBA game, even if it was preseason. Though he didn’t join the three point barrage, KShrimp still did awesome things like forcing the Magic to call a timeout after scoring on three consecutive possessions, getting a steal and running the fast break, and jumping almost out of the gym to put back an offensive rebound over a 7-footer.
https://vine.co/v/5gurFjDquM2
Ty Lue sounded very pleased with the diminutive one’s performance on the night, but also seemed wary of putting too much on his shoulders just yet.
“He definitely can play,” Lue said. “I like him because he’s tough, he competes every single night. But to throw a rookie into the fire of a championship team and all the scrutiny that surrounds this team and the pressure of winning, I just don’t want to do that to him. But he’s a great player and we know that, so we’re going to bring him along slow and I think he’ll be fine.”
While both McRae and Felder’s got a lot more minutes than they can expect to see in the regular season, they still showed enough to make at least the beginnings of a case that they could handle rotation minutes down the line. Two others vying for jobs at the end of the bench that stood out on the night were Corey Jefferson (11 boards and six points) and Jonathan Holmes (5-10, 2-6 on threes for 12 points). Neither Markel Brown nor the newly signed Toney Douglas did much with their 12 minutes a piece on the floor, but there will be several more chances for them to show what they can do in the coming preseason games.
Granted, it’s still on the extremely early side, but the Cavs finally seem to have a promising youth movement on their bench. Even the oldest head, The Champ, thinks so…
“It’s necessary, it’s young blood,” said Jones. “It’s a boost… This team is built to grow, which means that we have to find another level. When you have a group of veterans, the levels we can reach, the jumps are incremental. The jumps aren’t as vast or as big as a young guy that you can infuse into this rotation. So, for guys like Jordan, Kay, DeAndre, they allow us to kind of transfer — transfer knowledge, experience to guys that have a great skill set with a little more energy, a little more athleticism and a deeper gas tank. You have to do it because those guys are actually guys that will challenge us as veterans every day in practice to be better, so that we never get complacent.”
Overall, it was an extremely fun and lively start to the preseason for the Cavs. We should see a return of Kyrie and Tristan on Saturday against the 76ers, and hopefully a return of J.R. in the not too distant future. Meanwhile, it’s terrific to watch the youngsters movin’ on up and growing into potentially valuable future contributors.
Until next time… GO CAVS!
WE JUST HAD SOME CYCLIST TRAVELING COAST TO COAST STOP IN OUR TOWN —LAST NAME WAS OLYNIK –WENT OUT AND PUNTURED THEIR TIRES ( JUST KIDDING ABOUT THE TIRES —-THOUGH THE THOUGHT WAS THERE )
Should of yanked the handlebars out of alignment, and say its unfortunate when people get tangled up in bikes like that.
Hahaha
Raoul Prediction #1:
This coming Sunday will feature the rare “Double Curse of Kelly Olynik” Combo:
1. The Browns upset the Patsies and the returning “Chief Deflator” gets his knee blown up.
2. The Tribe shuts out the Rex Sox again, with the game ending with Andrew Miller striking out Big Poppy again.
The Cavs should schedule an impromptu preseason game against the Celtics for the trifecta…
Maybe a impromptu UFC fight between Stipe Miocic and Kelly Olynik?
” IN THE LAND ” BABY THE PLACE TO BE !!!
https://twitter.com/CauldronICYMI/status/784528258725453828
Kinda awesome…
https://twitter.com/MLB/status/784504939238268928
Yeah. Hay was awesome. JR smith there too
TONY WROTEN WAIVED BY MEMPHIS ANY CHANCE ( WITH SWISH’S STATUS ) THAT THE CAVS GO AFTER HIM ?
Doesn’t he suck?
I would just like to point out, re Tribe, that back up catcher Roberto Perez was the hero last night and Jonathan Lucroy is 0 for 7 so far and his Rangers are about to be down 2-0.
HaHaHa!!!
SEEMS AS IF SWISH AND THE CAVS ARE RATHER FAR APART ( MONEY WISE ) IN CONTRACT TALKS —C’MON BOTH SIDES GIVE A LITTLE —WE HAD TOO GREAT OF SEASON (AND HOPING FOR THE SAME THIS YEAR ) TO ” TARNISH ” IT —–GET HER DONE —ALL IN !!
KHARDASHIAN CURSE ALREADY IN PROGRESS !!—–GET HER OUT OF HERE
No way. I love having her around. More celebrities, more press, more fans, it’s all great!!!!!
Maybe. But if he gets seriously involved, it could go way south. Look how Lamar and Humphries wound up.
That’s because Lamar and Hunphries suck. TT doesn’t suck.
Hmm….
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/784388756438528000
They’ve gotta keep his iron man streak alive during the regular season. No reason to risk it for a pre-season game.
Whoa! Haynes is covering the Warriors for ESPN now?! That explains why I haven’t seen anything from him in the paper.
Kyrie Irving as The Ankletaker: https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/784382503398191104/photo/1
Is this about the Cavs?
Holy cow! Andre Drummond had 21 boards… in 24 minutes tonight! 11 offensive!
And TT dominated him.
Sox are dead tomorrow…. LeBron is going to Game 2
Whoo! Tribe wins!
No pressure on Kluber tomorrow — he only has to pitch a complete game.
As long as he gives up 4 runs or less, the Tribe should win given their average at home…
TRIBE BRINGING THE BIG LUMBER TONIGHT —–TIME TO UNCORK A ” GEORGE WASHINGTON SECRET STASH “
I wish LwBron was playing
I’d use LeBron for a pinch runner. He is fast. And, running into the catcher is a big part of baseball. Imagine what the catcher would think with LeBron at second, and a single hit to the outfield. HaHaHa!
Let’s Go Tribe
Hello CtB! Hopefully able to comment this year. Just wanted to say, love the Holmes pickup by the Cavs. Watched him at Texas… could be a nice backup for TT in a lunch pail kinda role.
Good to see you CLF!
Much appreciated EG! Thank you to you guys… I can comment this year!!! I had browser problems on my end but they appear to be fixed!
I had a lot of trouble commenting sometimes last year too. I think it was fixed on the CtB end.
Now if only they would quit listing the comments backwards, we would be back to normal!
Let’s go tribe!
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/lets-go-tribe-florian-rodarte.jpg
Sounds like the Cavs are still awesome.
” KILLER SHRIMP ” HAS THAT “KILLER ” ATTITUDE / CONFIDENCE NOT TO MENTION A WHOLE LOT MORE ATHLETICISM THAN ” SMOKIN/ TOKIN JOE “—-3 PT SHOOTING WILL IMPROVE WITH MECHANIC ADJUSTMENT AND REPS—-MY PLAYERS STILL CAN’T BEAT ME IN A GAME OF H.O.R.S.E. ( LEFT HAND OR RIGHT HAND )
Here’s the full KillerShrimp highlights from last night… Love the double clutch J he makes at 1:13…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6qDFu8UKis
Great start to the year!
Felder looks aggressive and dynamic, which is great. Contrast to a player like Joe Harris who had tools but was always passive and kind of fearful in games.
Joe Harris sucked so bad.
Is Smoking Joe still in the NBA?
http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nets/joe-harris-justin-hamilton-surprising-at-nets-camp-1.12399778
The Nets are becoming the Island of Misfit Cavs: Harris, Bennett, Sergey Karasev.
I loved how they stuck Frye down low and got him the ball in his spots. We need to balance out our shooting and drives with solid post play. Frye is very solid down there. And tall.
Thanks as always, EG. McRae looks improved, you are right to point out that he was already showing off the increased size. Posterizing Biyombo, even in a pre-season game, is no small feat for a combo guard. I thought he looked quite good and was happy to see a few assists from him. It’s early, but I’m not scared of making him a part of our platoon-approach to back up point. Too early to tell much about Felder but he looks like he belongs in the league. His finishing move at the net seems purpose-built to withstand blocking due to… Read more »
Hitting threes is one thing most people get a lot better at as they get older. It allowed me to hang out in gyms into my 60’s, taking advantage of guys who had not yet learned “never let an old guy take an open 3”.
More 2K highlights…
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/784026687591723009
Great pre-cap, EG!
I’ve been really impressed with the ball movement the Cavs have shown on offense between the scrimmage and this game. Coming off a season where the team actually employed an offensive system, I can’t wait to see how further comfort with that system / further work by Ty Lue implementing things in training camp translates to the regular season.
Oh, and also… Let’s! Go! Windians!!
Thanks Robert! Great point, and I know I sometimes forget that Ty Lue hasn’t yet had a full training camp to implement stuff… and he’s already coached the team to a championship… amazing
1. JordyMac can really score but I doubt he can be as effective against a regular season defense. There’s argument he’s better at that department than Shumpert but that’s not saying much. I’d be fine with him being on the roster as a third string SG nothing more, so please sign JR already. 2. I’m actually liking our new floor the more I see it. The most un-busy court we have since like forever lol. 3. Felder is good…. In a preseason game. He’s quick but despite some good finishes inside the paint including that put back, it seems like… Read more »
Point #1 remains to be seen. The other team’s defense plan will NOT be centered on stopping the Mamba. He will be about the eighth concern. And don’t forget last year’s regular season game number last. You don’t think (whoever that was) wasn’t trying to stop him by the end of the game?
The OMamba likely won’t play against starters much, and the dude just knows how to score… plus, he’ll be that much more dangerous/reliable if his jumper looks like it did yesterday… I actually kind of miss the Cleveland skyline from last year, but I don’t really care that much about the floor… KShrimp has been working on moves probably his whole life to compensate for his height disadvantage… I like his chances for figuring it out at this level… I think his game is already better than Isaiah Thomas (the current Celtic not the Piston HOFer) was as this point… Read more »
I’ve been really pleased with the young guys on the roster. It’s going to make trimming the roster to 15 really difficulty. I’m sort of hoping that guys like James Jones and Dahntay Jones retire and take up roles on the coaching staff, so that guys like Liggins and Jefferson have a spot on the team. The Joneses are really only needed for their locker-room presence. They can do that in a coaching role. The younger guys actually have more to offer on the floor. Besides, having an effective youth team eating up early season minutes is going to be… Read more »
James Jones is a lock on this roster. Dahntay Jones, not so much.
I doubt if Dahntay makes the top 15, because he can go back to the D-League. No one but the Cavs are likely to pick him up, so he can play a lot, and be an emergency reserve. Someone like Liggins would be gone in a flash if he doesn’t make the 15.
REALLY LIKED THE BALL MOVEMENT / HOPING THEY KEEP THIS UP ALL SEASON —-BELIEVE DOUGLAS ( WITH MORE PRACTICES ) WILL SHOW UP BIGGER AND BE AN ASSET
30 assists is way beyond the requisite NOMAD 23… I think we’re going to see a lot of ball movement in the regular season…
I don’t see why anyone cares about ball movement anymore. We just lit up the Frauds by using ISO ball on Curry.
Because ball movement is fun to watch, and they’ll need to keep the ISO ball for when they really need it in tougher games and the playoffs… ISO ball is great, but probably a lot more demanding on the individuals performing it… The regular season won’t really matter that much, so why not save it for when it does?
Good point. I disagree on it being fun to watch but the Cavs did pass alot in the playoffs leading up to the Finals. I enjoy dribbling and shot making way way more than a zillion passes and moving screens leading up to a step back three pointer.
The Cavs have some of the best passers in the NBA though… as well as some of the best three point shooters. To not take advantage of that would be silly… And when you have tall guys that can shoot the three (Love, Frye, Dunleavy, LeBron) there’s not a lot of step back three pointers… they just shoot it over the top…
Also we are way deeper this year.
No. You’re still as shallow as ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obKLdou0LH0
Dunleavy and Frye are going to be so great this year. Tall guys with quick releases. I love it.
That dunk over biyambo was nasty. And killer shrimp looked fast as hell.
Biyombo secretly sucks. BUT HE DOMINATED JUSTISE WINSLOW
He might suck offensively (especially outside of two feet from the hoop), but he’s a very good defensive presence. Also, you don’t just grab 26 boards in a playoff game against the eventual Champs if you suck…
Eh. The Cavs missed so many shots that game. 26 rebounds is impressive but that’s about all he can hang his hat on for his career. He’s not even that good at defense. TT is easily better and more valuable than him.
Dude averaged 9.5 rpg in just 25 mpg in the postseason… And he’s still pretty young at 24…
He also sucks on offense and all he can do is stand by the rim and collect rebounds. He’s Hibbert 2.0 and Hibbert really really sucked and sunk that Pacers team for half a decade.
I agree he’s bad on offense other than putbacks and dunks, but he’s actually much better than Hibbert ever was on defense…
Yes, he’s Hibbert 2.0 Which means he still sucks. He couldn’t even get on the court for more than 25 minutes a game last year.
Because they had Valanciunas as the starter…
Why are you arguing? Biyambo is demonstrably better than TT on defense by about a dozen metrics, but Cols isn’t going to listen.
That being said, he looks wasted on this team after one preseason game. Without a good guard like Lowry to play off of, he’s going to have a tough time getting the space to be effective as a rim diver.
Cause sometimes I just can’t let things go, and it’s fun to argue albeit senselessly…
He would not suck if he was on the Cavs.
Actually, there are lots of players in the NBA who would look a lot better with the Cavs. Like Frey. Expecting late career surges from Dunleavy and Birdman. Etc.
Waldor Frey?
Glenn Frey R.I.P.
THANK GOD NO SNAKE PICTURES ( HA-HA )—-THINK LIGGINS HAS A “leg up ” ON MARKEL RIGHT NOW —BETTER OVERALL GAME / REALLY LIKE HIS COURT VISION / SENSE ——-AND I WILL TAKE AN ” OLD ” BIRDMAN ANYDAY OVER A YOUNGER SASHA ——BIRDMAN RUNS FLOOR BETTER / BETTER TEAM DEFENSE / SETTING SCREENS AND YEAH HE CAN MAKE FOUL SHOTS ( AND LOOKS MUCH BETTER SHOOTING IT THAN SASHA ) OH YEAH I DON’T THINK SASHA PUT THE ” FEAR OF GOD ” IN YOU LIKE THE BIRDMAN WILL —-A HUGE UPGRADE FROM LAST YEAR !!
Sorry to scare you NOMAD ;) Great point about the Birdman also
Birdman looks great now. I’m more worried about him as the season progresses and he wears down.