Recap: Detroit 106, Cleveland 90 (or PLEASE. Stop. Dribbling.)
2016-12-27https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vZ3bw0ElPU
If you looked at this game at the beginning of the year and wrote “scheduling loss” on your calendar, you had it mostly right. A night after besting the Warriors in a Finals re-match, the Cavs traveled to Detroit and opted to rest LeBron James. Cleveland limited the minutes for most of their players with Shumpert being the only Cav over the half hour mark with 33. They did not, however, limit the turnovers as they gave away the rock 21 times while shooting 38% from the floor.
Cleveland gave up the first eight points and were down by as many as 14 with three minutes left in the first half. The lead should have been more for the Pistons as they missed a slew of point blank layups before a rally by the unlikely lineup of Kay Felder, Kevin Love, Mike Dunleavey, DeAndre Liggins, and Tristan Thompson cut the lead to just 50-46 pistons to end the half. The half was capped by yet another brilliant (or lucky) Tyronn Lue inbounds play after a time out where Dunleavy snuck behind Baynes for an easy layup.
Tristan and Kyrie immediately cut the Piston lead to just one to start the third, eliciting one of my favorite NBA moments: the Stan Van Gundy rage timeout. This one came just 45 seconds into the third. Unfortunately, the Hedgehog’s manic gravelly scolding worked. Jon Leuer looked like K-Love lite as he laced a triple to push the lead, and Kev answered with a triple of his own with Leuer draped all over him adoringly. Cleveland would never lead, and the 55-54 deficit at 8:15 in the third was as close as the game got, as www.pleasestopdribblingshump.com entered the game and Cleveland just started getting foolish putting the ball on the floor, turning it over more than a bad omelette chef.
It all started when Kev tried to go behind the back and it was pilfered by Tobias Harris, and then Leuer scored in the half court off a KCP dime and converted the three-point play the old fashioned way. The Love/Leuer battle continued with Love getting a block at the rim and drilling a three only to have Leuer answer with another triple, while Reggie Jackson and Kyrie had their own duel that Reggie won as KI settled for 24 foot bricks and Reggie walked into transition threes. But that was all superfluous to Iman Shumpert’s spastic imitation of a competent point guard.
Over and over again like the bad NBA version of Groundhog Day Sumpert abandoned any semblence of running an offensive set. Instead, he’d execute straight line drives that resulted in bricks or turnovers. He’d dribble the ball in isolation, lose it, jack up a bad shot. He’d charge into the teeth of the defense and throw the ball to no one. He’d give the ball to guys in terrible positions as the shot clock was winding down, forcing them to fart up a stinky shot clock buzzer brick. Shump was unwatchably, incompetently bad, and his crappiness infected every teammate when he was on the floor. Iman was -24 on the night with four turnovers, and his 4-10 from the floor somehow gave him the confidence to think he was doing something right. He wasn’t.
As the third quarter wore on and Love, Channing Frye, Mike Dunleavey, and Kay Felder were forced to share the floor with Shump, the lead kept growing for Detroit. Detroit kept using their athleticism and quasi-illegal Aaron Baynes screens to set up and hit jumpers of the two and three point variety. This was all despite missing a half dozen bunnies around the bucket. By quarter’s end, Shump’s crappines, Kev’s bad passes, Kay’s inability to shoot, and Channing Frye’s defensive gator arms had Detroit up 76-64.
The Fourth opened with a Dunleavy pass to Stanley Johnson and a Tobias Harris triple. After a couple Kay Felder pity free throws, and Kyrie Irving came back in the game which caused Shumpert to not let him touch the ball and instead pass it to the Pistons. Another Kyrie missed layup (he was pressing at this point) and a KCP three, the Piston lead was 17. Cleveland kept missing bad shot attempts and Detroit kept hitting jump shots from three and everywhere else, and before long the Piston lead was 19. Lue called off the dogs at 5:39 and let the scrubs play it out. Pressure off, Kay finally made a jumper or two, the only noteable highlights of five and a half minutes of painful painful garbage time.
The Good
Kyrie Irving tried, but his 18 and eight assists could not overcome his tiredness or Iman Shumpert. Irving had some brilliant finishes and passes, but it was a lot to ask, tonight. DeAndre Liggins only played 18 minutes, and his complementary ability to not do anything stupid was missed. ‘Dre was the only starter in the positive with +9, but provided no scoring. Kevin Love was solid with 17 and 14, but his five turnovers came from hard traps by the Pistons, and just bad decisions by Kev. Still, Kev’s defense was ok when he wasn’t losing three point shooters. He finished with two steals and a block, but his legs were tired too.
Channing Frye‘s offense was needed: 11 points on 4-8 from the floor, but he had the turnover blues too (3).
Jon Leuer was a poor man’s K-Love, and does a great job of playing within himself and not doing too much. He executes effectively, and always seems to be in his spot offensively. He’s a quicker roll-man than Kev too, but he’ll never be the rebounder that Love is. Leuer was +21 on the night and the Leuer, Morris, and Drummond front court is big enough to give a lot of teams problems.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope was great on both ends of the floor, pressuring the ball, rotating well, and grabbing three steals to go with his 18 points on 11 shots. His 4-6 shooting was all the more impressive because the Cleveland closeouts were decent. Tobias Harris was similarly hot off the bench with 21 points on 14 shots. In fact, Detroit’s 16-28 shooting behind the arc was the biggest factor in the game. Only Drummond shot less than 50% from three, and that was a buzzer beater attempt. Cleveland did a decent job on closing out the wings, but Jackson’s transition threes, and the Piston Forwards killed the Cavs.
The Bad
Check out some of these Iman Shumpert plays. The failed LeBron impersonation: fadeaway baseline two with 11 seconds left on the clock. My favorite: the drive and pass to no one. For your consideration: dribble out the shotclock and launch a 27-footer. Here’s Shump throwing up a molten sphere of garbage after going against two guys on a drive. How about Shump playing like he’s in a junior high AAU game? The funny thing is all anyone will remember are his three highlight plays: a sweet reverse, a rim-rattling dunk, and a step-back three (see the highlights above). The problem was everything else was so awful. For the love of God, Iman. You’re not Kyrie. You’re not even Delly. Know your role, keep it simple, move the ball, and for the love of God. Please. Stop. Dribbling.
Kay Felder can’t shoot. His inability to hit a shot outside 20 feet makes him about worthless, and yet, I’d still rather see him run the point than Iman. At least Kay isn’t in love with his limited offensive repetoire. At least he runs actual plays. And Kay got to the line eight times (there were a couple gifts in there, though) He’s just so smal. He bounces out there like a pinball and can’t ever seem to get quite set enough. If I’m Griff, I’m still looking for another point guard.
Tyronn Lue‘s coaching was pretty head-scratching. Clearly he caved to Gilbert’s edict to play Kay in front of his home town of Detroit (and props to Lue for doing it), but Lue’s decision to roll so long with Iman over even McRae was maddening. Sometimes he seems to ignore what’s happening on the floor for sticking to a rotation that isn’t working. But, also, on nights like tonight he’s trying to make chicken salad out of chicken s**t. Still, would’ve liked to have seen them run more plays for TT whose speed and rebounding seemed to flummox the Pistons.
The Ugly
Cleveland should’ve lost this by a lot more. Andre Drummond was 5-14 from inside three and Marcus Morris was 3-10 inside the arc. And it wasn’t that he Cleveland D was that great. There were just a lot of rim-outs. Drummond added 17 boards, and his ability to control the glass lets Detroit leak guys out to get in transition, but thankfully the dude has the least amount of touch in the NBA. He was 1-7 at the line to go with his collection of bricks.
I REALIZE IT IS ONLY D-LEAGUE ( MAMBA REMINDER ) KSRIMP / 37MINUTES 33PTS /7 ASISTS / 7 REBOUNDS —MIGHTY QUINN 32 PTS ( HIT ON 6 -3PT SHOTS –SHOT LOOKS SOLID ) —MORELAND A “MONSTER ” 22 REBOUNDS
NOW I ” FEEL ‘ BETTER –KSHRIMP WITH A NICE 1ST HALF / REALLY DISPLAYING HIS ATHLETICISM—I WOULD TAKE “THE MIGHTY QUINN”–HOLLAND / OR MORELAND IN EXCHANGE FOR MAMBA JULIUS
just call up –canton charge and you can watch them live—ksrimp with 7 pts in the 1st couple of minutes ( sorry about the “smalls”)
No caps NOMAD. Are you sick?!
O.K IT IS TIME TO BRING BACK ” MDN–MUCH DANGER NINJA ” AS HE JUST SCORED 74 PTS IN THE CHINESE LEAGUE —-I WOULD GO AHEAD AND REPLACE THE ” MAMBA ” WITH ” MDN ” ..” MAMBA COULD ONLY SCORE 61 PTS IN A GAME ) AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT HE CAN’T DO UP HERE
KSHRIMP BEING ASSIGNED TO CANTON CHARGE —-POSSIBLY FOR JUST 1 GAME –AS CHARGE PLAY TONIGHT –KSHRIMP COULD BE BACK IN CAVS UNIFORM ON THURS—JUST WANT THE KID TO PLAY MINUTES
good lord I love this team….
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/channing-frye-caught-editing-wikipedia-page-cavs-game-christmas-122616
Ha “chicken salad out of chicken sh**” Not too tasty at all…. Summed up the game pretty accurately there.
Windhorst’s podcast spent a long time intensely debating Kyrie. Basically every advanced stat puts him as middle of the pack (both ways) to awful (on defense). 2 of the guys say Kyrie highly overrated and entirely one-way, 1 says yeah but look at the finals and his cajones, and then Windhorst makes some confusing argument about how hard it is to have good advanced stats playing with LeBron.
http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18359464
It’s no secret Windhorst is no fan of Kyrie and the feeling is mutual. Every January like clockwork ( I kid you not) Windhorst comes out with some negative report against either Kyrie or Love. This is just a buildup. Let’s see what gets generated within the next 2 weeks. Anyways that aside…. I really believe Kyrie is about to explode to a new level this year. He’s got his quickness in his handles so sharp and nasty. Last summer’s knee injury took away some of that. He wasn’t even getting his 3 point shot back until later. He is… Read more »
Windhorst may or may not like him, and vice versa, but he spent the entire podcast basically defending him. The podcast sounded like a lot of what gets posted here. Irving is a divisive player.
Respectfully disagree about Kyrie being divisive. . You don’t see him talking about other players behind their backs or scream in his team mates faces. He has never been in a physical altercation . He is so careful with the words he choses when he is interviewed. If anything, Kyrie is sometimes misunderstood because he kinda keeps to himself which some interpret as possibly being a snob. I’ll give you this, he is definitely mistrustful of reporters. He doesn’t seem comfortable with them if their name isn’t Fred, Allie or AC. It’s too bad we see too often reporters have… Read more »
I mean his game and is divisive. One can argue that either way. You seem to be talking about more off the court stuff…
I think he’s actually a great partner to LeBron. He’s great at beating his man but he doesn’t know how to bend defenses out of shape and put pressure on them to make other players better. LeBron does this though so he doesn’t have to and he is great at capitalizing on it.
Great recap Nate of a real clunker of a game, though it was admittedly predictable after our GSW high…I’m glad someone else thought Shump was horrid. I’ve heard rumors about trading Shump and McCrae for the Laker’s Jordan Clarkson. Thoughts?
Good recap to a forgettable game. This game was like that awful sweater you decided to return the day after Christmas…
Deadspin” NBA Admits That Refs Blew Two Calls In Favor Of Cavs; Warriors Remain Chump-Ass Chokers
http://deadspin.com/nba-admits-that-refs-blew-two-calls-in-favor-of-cavs-w-1790508038
These were not nearly as obviously blown as the blocking foul on Love when he was set forever a full foot outside the restricted zone and Durant crashed into him for a dunk followed by swearing at him. That should have been a foul plus a T on Durant, and two less points.
Also, the T on Jefferson was a joke.
Plus the Draymond “no call” charge on Liggins. Lig’s D is a huge plus and was a factor in Curry’s rough day.
Even the very Warrior friendly Nate Duncan and Danny LeRoux scoffed at the idea of those calls costing the Warriors the game. Especially the ‘hanging on the rim’ thing, which is just hoping to win on a technicality. The average Warrior fan is just the worst. They aren’t all like that, but loads of them are.
And loads of ESPN pundits on NBA Radio are just as bad if not worse.
More importantly, Kevin Durant has come out and said last 2 minute Ref report is B.S, because the NBA throws the refs under the bus (Yahoo SPorts) He also said that noncall (RJ stepping on his foot) wasn’t reason they lost. He said this twice. Unfortunately we only heard the ‘edited version” of him saying he didn’t fall on his own. He added the blame of the loss was on him. He didn’t perform .
Yeah, this is correct, it was a foul on Jefferson that wasn’t called. But hey, it’s a a tough call to see the footwork when you’re watching the ball and the hands, etc. Plus with a few seconds left who gets a call anyways…
Close game and the home team got a couple calls down the stretch. Welcome to the NBA…
Feel like maybe I was too critical. I expected a loss when I saw the LeAbsence. Just was disappointing. Didn’t even think Kay played poorly. He just can’t shoot. Cavs just running out of bodies some nights. Pistons played a weird game where they were terrible inside and on fire outside. Elucidating scheduling loss I guess. The GS game means 500x more in terms of roster evaluation. I’d still rather have Shump as backup point than trade Cedi. *clutches Cedi Osman action figure protectively*
No you were not too critical. The tone was just right. Kinda makes it tough if you have players that can’t make baskets.
Good write up. Two items:
1) Kyrie pounds the rock too much as well. When he misses shots, the O tanks.
2) Know your roll? (Irony alert, anyone?)
Haha. Corrected the typo. It was late. I was tired.
That’s what I figured. As a lover of irony I had to say something. ;)
Thanks for the links to those Shumptastic plays. Yee gods. Tough weekend for the man after going 1-9 against GSW. He’s gotten his chance, though. I’d love to know what the coaching staff is telling him before getting on his case.
Usually Griff looks at this stretch of games and comes up with some package deal to set the course for the second half of the season. Of course, he doesn’t have much to work with, but winning the Christmas day game might encourage him to thrown in for another best shot at a title this year.
I’ll take loses like these over last year’s drubbings any day.
Sadly this game was 90 min my life Im not getting back
Haha! My sentiments exactly. Amazing how in 24 hours Cavs fans get to see the best of what the NBA regular season has to offer and the worst.
It takes rookies at least half a year to get used to the NBA three-point line **Cradles homemade Kay Felder doll while putting hands over ears**
Haha, my reaction too. I am still hopeful for Felder. He is a rookie after all. Most rookies in this class aren’t even shooting above 40%. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective though. He has made some nice passes this season. In a game like that, they should have just thrown him in p and rs every possession he was in there and let him create for others. Shumpert has been good this year, but he isn’t a passer and obviously cannot dribble. Felder at least can dribble and has made some nice kickouts and drop… Read more »
It’s like TLue doesn’t even check CtB for our suggestions… When will they start to listen to us?
Haha. Honestly, a lot of things we notice, they notice too. I’ve seen a ton of adjustments after our articles. Coincidence? Maybe. Our ability to point out the obvious? Probably.
If he can get a decent three point shot, he can probably stay in the NBA….if he can’t, he likely won’t.
QUESTION –WHO WOULD YOU RATHER FACE IN THE PLAYOFS —-BUCKS OR PISTONS ?
Pistons personnel for sure is an easier matchup. SVG stills scares me though. I think Bucks will be a 2nd-round opponent, while Detroit may not even make the playoffs.
THE DEBATE CONTINUES —DO WE PURSUE ANOTHER BACK UP GD / AND BIG —-SEEMS LIKE THE CHATTER IS DETERMINED BY THE OUTCOME OF EACH GAME —-GOOD RESULTS —NO STAND PAT DON’T NEED ANYMORE BODIES / DON’T MAKE ANY FOOLISH MOVES——BAD RESULTS … WE CAN’T GET ANOTHER GD ( OR BIG OR BOTH ) IN HERE QUICK ENOUGH—–THEY NEED TO ( COACHES / LEBRON / WHOMEVER ) HAVE MAN / MAN TALK WITH IMAN—” THIS IS WHAT WE WANT / EXPECT OUT OF YOU EVERY GAME —DO NOT DEVIATE !! “—-LIKE LIGS HUSTLE AND DEFENSE —BUT HE DOES NOT BRING ANYTHING… Read more »
Oh, I think we need to make a move. I just think giving up an asset (1st rd pick, Osman, rotation player) for a guy who isn’t likely to play PO rotation minutes (4th PF/C, 2nd PG, another wing) is something Griff wisely won’t do. He’ll wait for waiver-wire or buyout time. Chalmers is there for the taking, no rush. TPE is for use if we need another rotation guy late on, not a 12th man. At least Andy’s. Plus, the longer we wait to waive Mo, the less it costs us, as the deal for his replacement (assuming a… Read more »
I’m not moving liggins. He’s fine. They’re not gonna find a better defender.
I wouldn’t either. Depending on how well he plays, you might decide we don’t need another wing (if his offense improves) & just look for Cs & PGs. Dunleavy’s play a factor as well. Is he a guy that will help come PO time or not? If the answer is no, then he might have more value as a trade chip.