The Point-Fourward: Sample Size, Schmample Size (And Other German Things)
2017-04-271. There have been numerous articles written complimenting the playoff production of three-time All-Star, Deron Williams. Rightfully so. The 32 year-old PG wasn’t just good in the Cavaliers’ first round sweep of the Indiana Pacers, he was offensively transcendent. It’s easy to look at his box score numbers and be generally underwhelmed. He only averaged a little over eight points per game in a measly 15.5 minutes per contest. But for the love of basketball, those 62 minutes of offensive basketball were about perfect. Obviously, one shouldn’t get too excited about offensive rating in such a small size. Normally, I would give the rating a cursory glance and be on my merry way. That is the right thing to do except for when the number staring back at you is 210! What?! Just to remind folks, the offensive rating over at Deron Williams’ basketball-reference page indicates that the Cavs scored 210 points per 100 possessions with Deron on the floor. Yes, Deron didn’t actually play 100 possessions, but that number is still absurd. An offensive rating over 120 is already incredibly good. To put it more into perspective, one time Williams nemesis, Chris Paul has a playoff rating of 130 in 120 more minutes. I’m not saying that Deron will continue this or that he is better than Chris Paul on the offensive end(though I would have engaged in that argument about 8 years ago), I just want to share my awe of a number north of 200. We spend a lot of time here at Ct:B scouring these various metrics, and I have never seen 62 minutes of 210 offensive efficiency.
2. Deron has drilled open shots off the dribble and in spot up situations, but more importantly, he has effectively run the Pick and Roll with LeBron James as the roll man. LeBron is the most devastating roll man in the entire NBA. Last year, the Cavs offense mowed through the league anytime Mathew Dellavedova handled the rock with James as his dance partner. Delly had the pacing and pass accuracy to force LeBron to actually roll as the screener. The King has a tendency run the 1-3 PnR only to get the mismatch when the opposing PG is forced to switch. With Delly in last years early playoff rounds, Bron short rolled more frequently or even rolled hard when Mathew was able to get a defender on his hip. Dellavedova would throw lead passes that required LeBron to leave his Pop comfort and roll. That was great, but with a player as supremely gifted as Deron Williams, the options are more numerous. Deron is a filthy one-on-one player known for his jump crossover either direction. Bigmen cannot stay with him when he goes into ankle breaking mode. The Cavs end up winning any switch situation either with LeBron or Deron as the resultant ball-handler. Delly could make good offensive decisions. Deron can straight punk fools.
With that said, Williams is still a pass first PnR player. If the defense decides to show and recover, or ICE (NBA defenses mostly switch in small ball situations against the Cavs, but not in every instance) Deron is content to use the threat of his jumper to get a defender on his hip as he slow drives to the cup. His pocket pass and cross-court timing is elite. With the floor spacing provided by Channing Frye, J.R. Smith and Kyle Korver, a defense is essentially helpless to defend the action. “I hope he misses that wide open three” is not the most enjoyable defensive gameplan for a coach.
3. Ok, I guess we also have to look at Deron’s defensive rating of 120 if I am going to wax poetically on his offensive rating. Did I mention is was 210?! I think I did. Obviously, Williams is not a great defensive player. He has good strength to defend the post and to chuck the roll man from the weakside, but his on-ball D certainly leaves something to be desired. He doesn’t always anticipate pick angles very well which mitigates his underrated ability to actually slither by a seemingly solid screen. When Deron is fully engaged, he does a decent job of using his hands and upper body strength to avoid out and out collisions, but his feet are too often in the air when he is guarding. The same thing that makes his offensive crossover so deadly, the jump cut, is what undermines his defensive quickness. One’s feet need to be on the ground if one wants to react to an offensive move quickly. Well, unless one has wings. Or a jet pack. That would work too. Regardless, D-Will is serviceable as a defender. Being plus 90 per 100 isn’t bad.
Serviceable defense. That’s about as good we can describe the Cavaliers’ first round defense. And ya know what? That is still just fine. This team has been consistent all year in doing just enough necessary to win. At no time in the first round did it really seem like the Pacers had a shot to take multiple games. Even when C.J. Miles’ jumper was making its high arc to the basket, a general feeling of “meh” came over me. Had it gone in, the Cavs would have just destroyed them in five. For all the ink spilled over the Cavs series victory having had the lowest point differential in NBA sweep history, it never really seemed close to me. Kyrie’s 21.9% shooting from three probably contributed to that sensation. Had Uncle Drew nailed his threes a click above that abysmal number, things wouldn’t have been close. Other than the second half of Game 3, neither team put much effort into “helping the helper”. Even then, the Pacers made some awful offensive decisions that helped the Cavaliers’ ramped up defense. Serviceable. The word, by definition, means it was enough. Let’s hope for that going forward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_POiojyPII
4. Quick shout out to my man, Dennis Schröder. It has been fun to watch the 23 year-old German PG take his game to the next level. Even though the Atlanta Hawks lost Game 5 to fall behind in the series 3-2, Schröder continued to display his trademark confidence. He has drilled 14 threes in five games, fifth most in the playoffs, and has given John Wall a general headache. Wall has certainly been up to the task, but few people would anticipated that the series point guard battle wouldn’t be tilted drastically in Washington’s favor. Schröder hasn’t always locked in on the defensive end and his loping, seemingly arrogant disposition can rub people the wrong way, but his talent and emerging skill-set are impressive. No one can really stay in front of the young man even when he isn’t hitting his outside shot. If this shooting from deep becomes more the rule than the exception, the league will be in trouble next season. The Wizards already have their hands full.
Schedule:
Games 1 (Monday at 7:00 p.m. EST) and 2 (Wednesday at 7:00 p.m. EST) will be aired on TNT. Game 3 (Friday at 7:00 p.m. EST) will be on ESPN. Game 4 (Sunday at 3:30 p.m. EST) will be broadcast on ABC. Games 5, 6, and 7 are to be determined. Fox Sports Ohio will have pre- and post-game coverage throughout the playoffs.
Only one day of rest between games 2 and 3? That’s weird they always give 2 days of rest between those. Thanks God the Cavs swept the Pacers.
Thanks LeBron you mean
Thanks to both lol.
Well it takes longer to get through customs than it does flight time to go to Toronto. So it’s not a long trip.
Definitely but most of the time they give the 2 days off but again I guess the Cavs had enough rest already.
I hope Kawahi destroys Harden in the next round.
He won’t. Houston will run them out of he building.
Spurs in 7 IMO
Houston in 6
Really? The Rockets are not at the Spurs level yet IMO.
Really? Did you watch how badly the Spurs struggled to score? Houston is going to run them out of the arena.
Spurs are so overrated. Cavs would’ve swept this slow Memphis team.
For me, only question is, can raps win even two games against Cavs.
It will depend on DeRozan imo. I know Lowry is important to that team but DeRozan is the better player in my eyes. If he goes off and Lowry picks up steam, it will be a decent series. If he doesn’t, they don’t stand a chance.
Another thing too is the bench, we have a deeper bench with solid vets. I think that will play a good role.
I think Cavs will win in 5 but I can see a sweep too.
If the Cavs approach the series the right way then the Cavs should win in 5 the most. I believe games will be close though, the Raptors are a good defensive team and I don’t believe neither team will have any drastic changes in terms of game plans from last year to this year.
That Toronto Bucks game was awful. There’s no chance for them against us.
Raps blew a 25 point lead, yet still won. It doesn’t seem to bother you when the Cavs have done similar things, for some reason.
Because Cavs are 28-4 in the ECP
The Cleveland-Toronto series doesn’t start until Monday. So Toronto gets a nice break.
Remember when the Cavs beat Washington on a Friday night and had to play game 1 against the Pistons on Sunday afternoon? In LeBron’s first year in the playoffs.
Man that was a loooong time ago ;)
That was a good one. Was that when Lebron whispered into Arenas’ ear?
Yep, that’s right. I’d forgotten about that incident. It led to a rule change that defensive players can’t talk to free-throw shooters.
Arenas’s misses were followed by Damon Jones’s game-winner, off a hockey assist from LeBron.
So why did the Browns trade their #12 pick???
My guess is the QB they wanted to take was long gone. The Browns’ front office may be even more disappointed than the Bucks tonight.
I mean, if the Browns ONLY needed a quarterback to be good(shit even decent), then okay I get it.
But how could they justify, once again, dropping down and not filling in a position of the many, many that they need to fill?
Tony Grossi is on the same page…
https://twitter.com/TonyGrossi/status/857778719099936768
I honestly don’t get it…
There are plenty (meaning more than 12) of young, talented and hungry players available in this draft and somehow the Browns weren’t able to pinpoint that talent.
Amazing :(
So they ended up taking 3 players in the first round. Though only Garrett seems to be someone you can pencil in as ready to start. And I have doubts about him — a guy playing in the SEC who wasn’t very productive against SEC teams.
I think Peppers can be penciled in to produce for us off the bat. He can return punts at an absolute minimum. He’s an amazing tackler. The guy is going to see the field a ton this year. He is a hybrid LB/S who is fantastic in coverage. Is he Malik Hooker in the outfield? No. But he’s an incredible football player. Njoku is raw but has the potential to be an absolute stud at TE. We crushed the first round and we have 2 first rounders and 3 second rounders in 2018. This regime gets it. We are setting… Read more »
Wentz was the worst QB in the NFL last year, objectively speaking. He was !@#$ awful. Jonathan Allen has shoulder arthritis. He fell to #17 because a bunch of teams think this will be a major issue. Deshaun Watson? You guys need to do your homework. No QB in the last 10-15 years that has ever thrown less than 55mph at the combine has become ANYTHING in the NFL. Watson threw 49mph. He’s absolutely going to fail in the NFL. What would Zeke have done for this team? RBs have a short shelf life. Was he going to play QB… Read more »
I lied about the ball velocity thing. There have been 2 QBs that have been successful throwing under 55mph. Dak Prescott (54mph), who was throwing with a shoulder injury, and Tyrod Taylor (51mph). I also lied about the last 10-15 years things (data only goes back to 2008, sorry – got a little ahead of myself). http://profootballspot.com/nfl-combine-velocity-numbers-creates-arm-strength-concerns-deshaun-watson/ I think we can all agree that Tyrod Taylor is not winning any Super Bowls. http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/10/14890754/cleveland-browns-2017-nfl-scouting-combine-qb-velocity ^ Click the link to the spreadsheet found within this link, and you can track all combine numbers for all QBs since 2008. Deshaun Watson will not… Read more »
JRL – what are you talking about? Peppers will fill multiple needs on this team, and was a top 10 caliber player before the sample. He fell is because he doesn’t fit some defenses and he had the dilute sample. From a pure talent and football perspective, he’s a top 10 caliber guy. As for trading out of #12, you guys need to realize that the Browns (this new regime) have been doing everything they can to position us to have a great QB. Not just a mediocre guy (see: Watson, Trubisky, Wentz, Goff), but an elite talent that can… Read more »
We now have TWO FIRST ROUNDERS and THREE SECOND ROUNDERS in the 2018 draft. As it stands, next year’s class of QBs looks like it could be elite (Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen just to name 3 guys that could be fantastic) – and we are now positioned to either (1) get the #1 overall pick and take Sam Darnold or (2) put together a package of picks that no other team can beat in order to trade up to #1 to take Darnold (or whoever).
Raptors bench wins the game for them as jkidd runs his team into the ground. Oh well. Loved me some Delly time.
The inexperience and young age of Giannis showed on that last play. If you want to be the man, if you want to be the face of franchise, if you want to be the leader of the team, you take that three. No questions asked. Live with the results.
Hopefully he’ll learn from this and they’ll be back next year. Strong team for sure.
Typical Raptors win, nothing to see here…
Damn. Hard way for the Bucks to lose.
A 2 wasn’t a bad play there for the Bucks except it took way too long.
It was a terrible play under 10 secs.
yeah 3.5 seconds left…you have to take the 3
Listening to raptors announcers whining about that terry strip. Looked pretty clean to me.
Got him on the wrist…that is generally called…
But not in crunch time.
Yep
Cavs vs Craptors
I got Cavs in 5.
I think (hope) the Cavs sweep them ;)
Those missed FTs by Bucks really biting them in the rear…
Exactly, the Cavs need to fix their own FT’s issues too for the next round.
Hard for the Bucks to win now but great bunch of young players. I really like DeRozan but hate Toronto as much as GS.
Looking forward to LeBron make Casey cry
Wow that was nasty from Demar. Ballgame.
DeRozan gave Delly a little knee in the back of the leg after that feisty D.
He takes more cheap shots than anyone in the NBA, mainly hecause he plays hard…
He gives his fair share lol
Man I f*****g love Delly
I always knew these Raps are overrated. But at least their playoff experience should factor in heavily in this game.
Need a delly tray!
Way too open a look for Joseph there…can’t allow that…
This’ll be annoying if Milwaukee doesn’t win.
Well I’d rather face this Toronto team than the Bucks. Don’t underestimate JKidd’s planning on Lebron.
Plus the Cavs will keep the comeback record.
Toronto showing their playoff experience.
Maybe not.
Delly on every loose ball right now.
“Jason Kidd has two champions on the floor…”
Just doing Delly things…
Can the Bucks finish? Their whole team may end up hospitalized with dehydration after this game.
This Bucks lineup on the floor can really defend…
So much for Cleveland holding the comeback record. Thx for making that look easy Toronto.
I take it the Bucks were down 26+ points? I just started watching.
25, I believe…
Okay so a tie lol
I think only 25.
Wow, Raps just total self destruction, fueled by Giannis and Delly…
What a great game to be at though for Milwaukee fans. Your team is literally about to collapse in exhaustation and they’re gutting it out
Cavs will sweep.
Mmm… Raptors are inconsistent, not bad.
Oh my gosh this is such terrible basketball and such good drama. Raps are imploding…bucks are getting 1 point per possession.
At this point I don’t know which team is choking the most,the Bucks from the Ft line or the Raptors on offense.
GOD the Raptors a re pathetic
Wow. Blow this raps team up asap. They do not work.
Raptors choking…
ok…neither of these two teams is this good at defense.
Delly is made of Cleveland steel.
Sure is. If the Bucks win the series, he will get a standing ovation when he checks in at the Q.
Ouch. Rough call.
Lebron will never be a a full time point guard even for 1 season. But his combination of vision, passing and orchestrating ability is at least top 15 ever, in my opinion.
Top 3
Ok there aren’t 10-15 better, but Magic, JKidd, CP3, Stockton, and Nash.
What do you guys think of Myles Garrett? The Browns? The QB situation?
Really want to follow the NFL. I don’t know nothing much about it but seems entertaining, and of course root to for the browns. But I know it’s going to be a stressful ride to follow them.
Those two free throw misses sealed it…Giannis is the next Lebron.
Ha!
Bucks are soooo bad on offense…holy cow. How have they won 2 games??
They don’t have too many options and the Raptors defense is good also.
Like Lebron’s Kia commercial featuring the Land.
Bet the Bucks are very happy they gave Delly that contract right about now…
Fun to watch the Bucks’ home crowd really pulling for their team.
Toronto pummeling the Bucks. Second round match up looks about ready to go. Lock in.
Not so fast…
Bucks coming back now. Single digit game. Delly has his hands alll over the comeback.
Lebron is probably the best roll man in the history of the NBA. No one has ever been more devastating. His combination of athleticism to attack the basket and vision to find the open shooter on the roll is unparalleled in the history of the game.
A true point guard that can harness such a weapon could rip defenses to shreds.
So if the Raptors win tonight I wonder if there’s any chance the Cavs get to play against them on Sunday?
Hope Deron keeps it up, it’s a rather large lift for the Cavs. He’s helped make the Lebron+bench shooters lineup strong again.
So good, Ben! LBJ is the best roll man, but playing with Kyrie will destroy your motivation to roll because he takes such an unpredictable path to the basket. Playing with Deron gives LeBron confidence to head to the hoop, as with Delly, but Deron has more PG skills than Delly did. Its fun to imagine LeBron playing pick and roll with Mark Price. In Cavs Heaven that will happen. I’ve never been that concerned about LeBron’s minutes during the season, given that he looked to be moving so well. I AM concerned about the team’s defense, though, as we… Read more »
Oh man that Price/LeBron combo would be…priceless.
http://deadspin.com/nobodys-buying-under-armours-steph-curry-signature-shoe-1794710418
So which college player is going to be ruined by the Browns tonight?
They have a lot of picks. Plenty of ruin to go around.
The shoutout to Schroder is well deserved as he has been great most of the series. In the Bulls/Celts series, however, Jimmy Butler has been mostly underwhelming. Some analysts were touting Butler as a top three player in the East, but PG-13’s performance against the Cavs makes Butler looked lame in comparison.
Deron was awesome in that round and so was LeBron moving without the ball. Impressed with Schroder as well. I hope that series goes seven
Yep. That that series is going seven makes it likely the Cavs will sweep either one in the ECF.
Good article. Deron Williams was a great pickup. The best backup PG Kyrie has ever had. Also, Lue had some really great things to say about LeBron and his minutes. He’s finally come around to the idea that the minutes police are stupid. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19250882/cleveland-cavaliers-coach-tyronn-lue-not-bothered-lebron-james-increased-postseason-minutes “”I mean, I don’t understand why people make a big deal out of minutes,” Lue told reporters Wednesday, when his team had its first full practice session as a group since sweeping Indiana on Sunday. “He had a week off before the series started. We won four straight games, and then he had a week off… Read more »
What teams are suffering, exactly?
He did not say, but I like to think he was talking about dumb stuff like this:
2016 Finals, Games 5, 6, 7 MPG:
LeBron James – 42.5, 42.5, 47.0
Stephen Curry – 40.0, 35.0, 39.0 FRAUD
Sure.
That 47 in game 7. Wow.
Rest players if they’re tired and arent performing. Dont rest them because you think the body has some kind of odometer
I think he was referring to Westbrook playing 38 mins per game in okc
The dude was like 2-11 in the fourth! Case proven!
Also, LeBron is the best backup point Irving ever had.
Oh -Oh! Lue has joined the Church of Cols! A certain sign of the End Times!
As any bloke knows, minute management is about the season. There are cumulative effects.