The Point-Fourward: Big Three Better Than Little One
2017-05-25Four things I’m thinking about the Playoffs…
1. It’s rather clear to me that Isaiah Thomas’s agent gave the mini-All-Star a call during halftime of the Game 2 destruction at Boston’s TD Garden. The Cavaliers had thoroughly solved any and all Thomas-centric offensive action. The Wine and Gold trapped hard on Thomas, forcing the ball out of his hands early, and with good anticipatory backside rotation. With his size, Thomas is generally unable to make the murderous cross-court passes that dissuade defenses from selling out on the trap. He was forced to make weak release passes to the short roll man without having gained any of the desired four on three advantage. Additionally, the Celtics couldn’t keep Tristan Thompson off the offensive glass because they were in constant scramble mode trying to cover for Isaiah’s defensive limitations. In short, Thomas wasn’t tall enough for the task.
As I covered last week, Danny Ainge desperately wanted this series to reveal Thomas as a playoff liability. It would have allowed Ainge the most public relations flexibility going forward. Instead, an “injured” Thomas lets the fanbase indulge in this delusional fantasy: “if only Isaiah would have stayed healthy, we would have had a real chance. Just add the number one pick and we are there!”
It’s really the worst possible outcome for Ainge. Now, not only can he not trot out the lopsided series loss as an indictment of Thomas’s play, but the Game 3 success sans Thomas has reinforced the narrative that the Celtics are better without Thomas.
What? Didn’t you just contradict yourself, Ben? Either it’s good for Ainge that people see that the team is better without Thomas or it’s not. Logically, yes, but fans aren’t rational. They love Isaiah Thomas. Thomas already had only marginal trade value. The league knows that Thomas is a dumpster fire on defense and solvable on offense, but fans just witnessed a 5’7″ dude drop almost 30 a night for sixth months. If Thomas is shrewd, he uses fan enthusiasm to score himself a huge deal. That little soreness that he’s been playing through on his way to dropping 53 against a team that can’t play defense, gets a little tighter against the reigning champs. A little nudge from his agent reminding him how many millions he has to lose would reinforce that twinge. Better to be an injured “Superstar” than be revealed on a national stage. Thomas will likely get a hefty payday, but I’d be shocked if it comes from Ainge.
2. Just how much better are the Celtics without Thomas? According to one NBA coach, apparently harder to defend than the playoffs 12-0 Golden State Warriors.
“The stuff they’re running, it’s harder to defend than Golden State’s [offense] for me, as far as the actions and all the running around and all the guys who are making all the plays, so it’s a totally different thing.
“Like, they hit the post, Golden State runs splits and all that stuff but these guys are running all kinds of [stuff].
“And Brad’s [Stevens] got them moving and cutting and playing with pace and everybody is a threat.”
Yep, that’s from Cleveland’s own, Tyronn Lue. What this really says to me is, “I have seen the Warriors’ actions in 13 Finals games and I have seen these non-Thomas Celtics’ actions in two games. I don’t understand new things very quickly.”
I might be being hard on the coach, but his quote is already rather absurd. Sure, the Celtics are much tougher to defend when they diversify their offense. Still, that doesn’t get them anywhere near the Warriors’ level. I understand that Lue is trying to focus on the series at hand, not get ahead of himself, respect his opponent, etc.., but sometimes he makes it difficult for us to take him seriously. Coach, either stick to the P.R. script or don’t. Saying you don’t think about the Warriors as you directly compare your current opponent to the Warriors might not be the way to go.
3. No matter how interesting Brad Stevens makes the Boston offense, they simply don’t have enough talent to beat an engaged and healthy Cavaliers team. As far as health is concerned, Richard Jefferson suggested that the Celtics avoided a sweep with the help of Mother Nature.
“I know he won’t talk about it, so I’ll give my big guy a shout,” Jefferson said. “Deron Williams missed shootaround this morning because he had like a little bug, really lethargic, had no energy. And I think that’s what ‘Bron had. And sometimes these little bugs can go around. And (James) was like, dude, when Deron didn’t show up to shootaround, it kind of started clicking in his head.
“Because for him it was like, ‘I don’t know why I was so lethargic, why I had no energy, I had nothing.’ And so, these little things happen. (There) was no panic. Look, he was lethargic, they hit a bunch of tough shots, if Marcus Smart doesn’t go 7 for 10 from three, then we’re not even talking about it.”
LeBron looked only marginally better in the first half of Game 4 than he did in the Cavs’ only loss of the postseason. Fortunately, James seemed to get a second wind during the second half after Kyrie Irving did most of the heavy lifting.
Kyrie has some health questions of his own after turning his left ankle. The ankle didn’t stop him from finishing the layup or drilling a subsequent three, but Kyrie does expect to be sore for Game 5. Hopefully, that soreness won’t knock Uncle Drew out of his groove. After a slow start in the playoffs, Kyrie has been on a straight tear during the Eastern Conference Finals. Kyrie has connected on 11 of 19 three point attempts over the last three games. An optimist might suggest that the extra game against the Celtics simply helped Irving find his rhythm.
4. The third hero of the Cavs’ Game 4 victory, Kevin Love, also looked to have tweaked something late in the fourth quarter, but he seems to be fine. While Kyrie and LeBron did the most damage scoring the ball, Kevin had a fantastic overall game, cleaning the glass and moving the rock on his way to a stat line of 17, 17, five assists and two blocks.
Kevin has been hot from the left wing three while still playing with consistent physicality on the block. Sometimes defensive rebounds are taken for granted, but Love’s 15 were obtained from great box-out position and tenacious effort. It’s a shame LeBron missed that tomahawk jam. The box-out, rebound and outlet pass, all almost in one motion, was Love’s beautiful game in a nutshell.
I don’t often laugh out loud reading this blog, but his line got me: “What this really says to me is, ‘I have seen the Warriors’ actions in 13 Finals games and I have seen these non-Thomas Celtics’ actions in two games. I don’t understand new things very quickly.’” Well played , Ben.
Reading too much into Lue’s comments. I think he’s just saying Boston moves around a ton and thus it’s harder to run around with them and do all the weird stuff. I didn’t take his words as him saying Cleveland would have more success defending GS than Boston. I don’t think Lue is an idiot.
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Thomas would be pretty good at a main guy off the bench. They were delusional to think he was a starter.
I mean they weren’t though. His stats this year are incredible and that team of trash somehow won 50+ games. The dude was awesome. He’s not the #1 guy, but he absolutely could start for a championship team.
Delusional to think he was a starter but… he started and put up MVP numbers. I think Cavs fans are being a little delusional.
Somehow I had not known about Allie Clifton, RJ, and Channing Frye’s podcast until I saw on Grantland today:
https://art19.com/shows/road-trippin-with-rj-and-channing
Just so funny and good.
It’s really great.
Ben this is great stuff per usual. Your lambasting of Isaiah doesn’t even go far enough I don’t think. Boston actually does have JUST ENOUGH shooting that during the regular season, Thomas had enough space to operate. But in the playoffs the shooters have twice as much pressure on them, and as we’ve seen, their shooting percentage from three even wide open is now poor. I guess you do go into his defensive liabilities. Lue tipped his hand in the last blowout of our regular season, and Stevens had time to fix the issue of us trapping isaiah. He’s a… Read more »
Interested Q&A with Durant on Yahoo today. The answer below sounds like a man afraid of LeBron who is hedging his bets hard. “Q: And lastly, what would a ring mean for you? KD: It wouldn’t mean my life was complete. I’ve got a lot of life I want to lead and I’ve got a lot of [expletive] I want to achieve. So if I win a ring, it would be fun to experience that moment when the buzzer sounds and embracing my teammates in the locker room and all that stuff that comes with it, but after that, what’s… Read more »
I dont mind this response – the fun is the journey not the destination for him.
Or he’s a complete nancy
Haha. I’ll go with the latter.
To me, this response is delusional. He went to GSW to win a ring. He needs to own it. Imagine if Draymond was asked this question. He would say, “I am going to be pisssed as heck if the Cavs beat us again. I don’t know what I’ll do, but I can’t let that happen.”
James and Deron are dealing with the flu and Kyrie is a bit hobbled. I hate the Celtics so much.
Point one is completely disrespectful to Isaiah Thomas. It’s borderline libel. Typically love Ben’s point-fourwards but I can’t support that at all.
It would be disrespectful if (1) it wasn’t true, or (2) it wasn’t supported by evidence. He’s right
The Celtics are not better without Thomas.
Any team that has Thomas as its main player won’t be able to win it all. He’s a liability on the defensive end and now other teams know all they have to do is hardtrap him and make him pass the ball. Once that happens, he can’t really find his way to the ball since he’s underpowered and not good at running around screens.
He’s a good 2-3 option with a max of 24-30 minutes. His numbers say he’s a top ten pg, what other top ten pg would you trade for him?
Sure. There’s no way you win it all with Thomas as your main guy. But put him with some other stud and you got something going.
He is Kay Felder, i.e., he’s a back up. He is a situational match-up and your best hope is that he can maintain a lead while the starters rest. He is unplayable against a team that can field five scoring options.
He is Kay Felder? That’s just absurd. The dude put up MVP-caliber numbers this year. You can argue all you want that he won’t be the #1 guy on a championship team, but come on. He’s Kay Felder? A little insane.
Yeah, I mean, come on… Felder??Felder wishes he could be half the player IT is.
Felder cannnot hold IT’s jock strap IMO. The guy averaged almost 30 per game,
I’ll play a tiny violin for multi-millionaire Isaiah Thomas
That espn article about James just ending teams with his run of dominance is fantastic. 7!!!!! straight Finals is a tremendously awesome streak.
I don’t think I’ve ever been as impressed by defensive rebounding as I was with Kevin Love in Game 4. His boxing out/ grabbing the board/outlet pass trifecta is the sexiest unsexy basketball play i’ve ever seen.
He has been a beast in every regard this series. Great to see. Love the way he benefits from the attention/double-teams TT gets to just eat everything up on the glass.
Glad Lebron is OK. I hope everyone else is, too. That is the only thing that matters. One more game, please. Don’t let it drag any longer, we can use the rest.
I was in awe of literally everything Kyrie did in Game 4, and have NEVER EVER been in the “trade Kyrie” camp. Since he was a rookie, I’ve always thought he was one of the most special players ever to wear a Cavs uniform. BUT…. I do think people are missing something in all this “Kyrie putting the team on his back” talk. Earlier in the playoffs, it was so exciting to see his assists go way up when his shot wasn’t falling. Like he’s done so rarely in his career, he recognized that he could be most helpful as… Read more »
Great comment. I do think Kyrie is continuing to learn how to be a player and a man. He always talks about it in his quotes to the media. People should give him more credit, even if his actions sometimes speak louder than his words.
Maybe Ty is on to something. He is absolutely wrong, and I think he knows it. The backlash if/when, probably when, we give up 130 points to the Warriors will be huge, but it will be directed towards him not the players. Also, it might get Klay and Co. to start talking trash and we all know how that turned out last time.
Of course, maybe he is just delusional, I have been wrong before.
Doing his best Phil Jackson impression??? I like that angle.
What Lue is saying isn’t controversial. The Celtics run a more complicated offense than pretty much every team in the NBA. Complexity doesn’t mean better though.
Come on Cols. Even if Curry, Durant and Thompson just bring the ball upcourt and shoot a 40-foot three every time without ever passing the ball, it would be more difficult to defend than any super complicated Avery-Bradley-centric offense. Not even close.
Sigh. That’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying Boston runs a complex offense. He’s not saying they are a better offense than the Warriors.
Agree with Cols here. People need to take a second and apply some logic to what he’s saying. It’s about the complexity, not the execution. Lue is simply not saying Cleveland will have an easier time defending GS than Boston. He’s not a moron.
Questioning Thomas’ heart after recent events (even tongue in cheek, if it was tongue in cheek) is just in very poor taste. You can do better than that.
Yep. Plus Thomas basically single handedly beat the Wizards.
I BELIEVE TY FULLY UNDERSTANDS HOW TO DEFEND THE “CURRENT ” CELTS TEAM—-JUST BELIEVE HE IS BEING “COY ” ABOUT IT ——WANTS TO GIVE THE CELTS A “FALSE ” SENSE OF CONFIDENCE GOING INTO TONIGHTS GAME …..WE WILL FIND OUT TONIGHT —–” LACE EM UP “—-GO CAVS !!!
Ridiculousness on top ridiculousness
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents-19449451/nba-playoffs-tales-woe-lebron-defeated-foes
I think Lue’s comment about GSW was more of the sniping going back and forth between the two camps than an indictment of Lue’s coaching abilities. In one quote he both praises the coach who poses no threat and marginalizes the other — without naming him.
Yep.