The Point-Fourward: Boston Be Dancing
2017-07-05Four points I’m thinking about the NBA…
1. It was not very pleasant to be a Cleveland sports fan living in Boston circa 2007-2008. I didn’t own a TV and those were the dark ages before one could adequately see a ball on a computer live stream. That meant I was forced to watch games with musician friends who didn’t really like sports, and/or trudge to some Boston bar to experience my misery buried among insufferable hometown fans.
That October, the Tribe managed a 3-1 series lead in the ALCS before getting absolutely destroyed over the the final three games. Boston fans are already a specific kind of horrible, but this was them at their apex of obnoxious glee. The Sox went on to win the World Series, the Patriots were Brady/Mossing their way to 16-0, and the Celtics had a new Big Three that was set to take over NBA.
The ALCS was already terrible to view in that setting, but it wasn’t nearly as painful as the subsequent 2008 Celtics/Cavaliers series. The games were defensive slug-fests. The Celtics surprised most NBA people by becoming one of the best defensive squads in NBA history with Thibs running that end of the floor. The Cavaliers had had a strange regular season after their 2007 Finals appearance. It led them to make a big mid-season trade for Wally Szczerbiak, Ben Wallace, Delonte West, and Joe Smith. With Big Ben and West aboard, the Cavs became a defensive juggernaut in their own right.
What resulted was one of the greatest non-Finals series of all time. Neither team could win on the other teams’ home floor. The Cavs were the only squad to break 100 points in any one game when they decisively took Game 3. Cleveland won Game 6 with a seemingly ludicrous final score of 75-69.
I loved it. Ben Wallace and Kevin Garnett killing each other under the rim was only slightly more entertaining than Delonte West and Rajon Rondo scrapping on the perimeter. Defense was the key and every possession was absolutely golden. Minus a few crazy Kobe fans, we already knew that LeBron was the greatest player on earth. It seemed he would take down this superteam on the way to winning his first championship.
Instead, Game 7 saw Paul Pierce play the best game of his life, and I had the sickening misfortune to watch Boston fans celebrate another Cleveland defeat.
2. With Gordon Hayward signing a max deal to join Brad Stevens in Boston, many people believe the Celtics have a legitimate chance to challenge the Cavaliers’ Eastern Conference supremacy. It’s not hard to see why. Gordon Hayward was one of the most efficient players in the NBA last season. He is one of the few guys in the league who has the size to match-up with LeBron James on a physical level. Hayward works well from all over the floor in a variety of roles offensively and defensively. He is absolutely a max-contract player who will likely be even better now that he is reunited with Stevens.
Isaiah Thomas is apparently very happy with Hayward’s decision to join the Celtics. If I were him, I wouldn’t be dancing. The diminutive point guard is set to make about $6 million next season in the last year of his deal.
“We need the best possible player that’s gonna help us win, and I’m with that,” Thomas said. “Anything Danny [Ainge] and this organization need me to do to help bring even more talent to this city, I’m all for that. I want to win a championship, and being so close to getting to the Finals, that makes you want it that much more.”
While some might see that as honorable, I see it as unfortunate for Thomas and his future earning potential. Readers of this space know I am not a fan of his play on the floor. He is a huge defensive liability that completely disrupts any normal defensive game-plan. Stevens has been hampered by Thomas’s lack of defensive talent, but has had to put up with it because the Celtics have needed the offensive production.
With Gordon Hayward on the roster, Stevens no longer has to sacrifice defense and size for play-making. Thomas might think he got “help” to make the Finals, but he really just got rendered irrelevant. I’d be surprised if he is on the Celtics’ roster in March and downright shocked if he is still in Boston a year from now.
From a Cavs’ perspective, I hope Danny Ainge keeps Thomas for the duration. The Celtics can’t beat LeBron James in a series with Isaiah getting big minutes. It would be good for Thomas’s checkbook and great for Cavs fans. Unfortunately, I just don’t see Ainge making that decision. The Celtics aren’t a threat yet, but they could be if Danny plays his cards right.
3. The Denver Nuggets are killing the tables right now. I absolutely love their acquisition of Paul Millsap. While Millsap’s game fits well in any system, it will be basketball nirvana to watch Nikola Jokic and Millsap move the rock. Paul is fantastic as an elbow distributor and Jokic may become the best passing big man we’ve seen in the modern era. Add in Millsap’s brilliant off-ball cutting, and the Nuggets will be a League Pass must watch.
Millsap will also greatly improve Denver’s defense. Jokic is good, but needs a quicker guy next to him on the frontline. Faried was quick last year, but was frequently out of position. Paul is almost never out of position. He will make $30 million a year, but the Nuggets did a masterful job of getting the third year as a team option. Huge win for coach Mike Malone.
4. A guy who isn’t making $30 million a year is the 2017 NBA Finals MVP, Kevin Durant. Sure, all the reasons in the linked article make sense, but it doesn’t mention the problem of having a soft team salary cap while maintaining a hard player maximum.
LeBron is absolutely right to question why there is a cap on individual player salaries. For all the complaining about parity during this era of Cavaliers/Warriors dominance, it’s surprising that more people are not promoting an abandonment of player maximums.
If the team soft salary cap were to remain exactly as it is currently constructed, eliminating max salaries would instantly help to disperse the star talent around the league. The true superstars of the NBA are worth far more than what they are currently being paid. That is absolute fact. A team could construct a roster with one legitimate superstar for about 85% percent of a its cap and fill out the rest with minimum deals. If enough teams do that, after a few years, presto, superstar dispersion.
There aren’t 30 guys worth that kind of cap percentage. Franchises that couldn’t score one true superstar could go “team route” to compete with a collection of solid to good players. Superteams wouldn’t be realistic in that environment unless the superstars were willing to turn the current $6 million dollar “haircuts” into $60 million “body-waxing” extravaganzas. Durant decided to go in for a trim. I think he’d pass on the latter.
So why doesn’t this happen? It would seem to make sense for the owners too. It won’t happen because the superstar players are in a union that is comprised mostly of non-superstars. Those other players(and probably some of the superstars) recognize that it is only possible to maintain a player “middle-class” if there is an individual salary max. That provides the possibility for mid-range deals that aren’t only at the league minimum. The players need some guys to be overpaid to maintain the shape and health of the union.
It mirrors an ubiquitous debate in America. Is the NBA an actual meritocracy or just celebrated as one? Once again, political and economic principles are illustrated through sports.
James Jones will not return to the Cleveland Cavaliers for the 17-18 season, according to a source.
Jones has been a teammate of LeBron James consecutively since the 10-11 season with the Miami Heat.
Jones appeared in 48 games for the Cavaliers last season, averaging 7.9 minutes.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246776/James-Jones-Wont-Return-To-Cavaliers-In-17-18
Meh.
INTERESTING CLIP / THANKS HOT SAUCE —–DON’T BELIEVE LEBRON / GILBERT WERE EVER CLOSE SINCE LEBRON CAME BACK —-THEY MAY HAVE BRIDGED THE GAP SOMEWHAT BUT IF YOU REMEMBER THE QUOTE AROUND THE FINALS ….LEBRON BROUGHT UP ” THE LETTER “….SEEMS NOW THAT HIM AND GILBERT HAVE WIDENED THE GAP…..SOME OF GILBERT’S DECISIONS THIS SUMMER I AM SURE HAVE ” PISSSED ” OFF LEBRON EVEN MORE SO AND REALLY DON’T THINK GILBERT CARES ANYMORE / HE PROBABLY ACTUALLY BELIEVES ( OR KNOWS ) THAT LEBRON IS GONE AFTER NEXT SEASON …….HEY CAVS SUMMER LEAGUE STARTS TOMORROW ….GO ” SUMMER ”… Read more »
I think re-signing Korver is far more important to LeBron than who the GM is. If LeBron cared about big name GMs he would have stayed in Miami.
I generally think you are right. But the Gilbert/LeBron dynamic always make me nervous.
I assume everyone has seen this video. Is it possible LBJ and DG just had a crazy falling out and it’s just over? DG seems like a petty dude, so I wonder if the video below pissed him off. The rational part of me thinks that would be insane. But who knows? DG acting very strange and LBJ not engaged. Le sigh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ypwbI1NtG4&feature=youtu.be&t=1340
That’s the first time I’ve watched that, and I only watched the last 5 minutes. It’s pretty cool. I know some Cavs fans may not like this, but I’m starting to sort of like Draymond Green. I could see him and LeBron teaming up in a few years. And I could totally see Gilbert getting miffed about this. Perhaps Gilbert now wants to prove that he can build a winner without LeBron? If he can do it the more power to him, but I don’t have a lot of faith in CSD.
Yes – watching the whole video is pretty amazing. The bit on Gilbert is illuminating, but the whole thing is awesome.
Paul Millsap is better than Kevin Love in the same way that Kyle Lowry is better than Kyrie Irving. Neither statement is actually true, but the wannabe experts will argue it despite consistent playoff results. And just logically looking at each player’s ceiling. Love is a better shooter, rebounder, passer, has a better basketball IQ…but Millsap is really good at regular season defensive positioning. Good for him
But we live in a world where Steph Curry was considered the best player in the NBA for a couple years. Like it was a consensus amongst media and even fans. That happened.
HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU COLS—-GILBERT IS GOING TO COME ACROSS CHEAP—-1ST GRIFF / DIDN’T PAY THE MONEY AND NOW BILLUPS —-THE MEDIA WILL PORTRAY THIS AS GILBERT BEING CHEAP AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT LEBRON LEFT MIAMI —THIS GIVES HIM A ‘ FREE PASS ” TO LEAVE NEXT YEAR
$2M for a guy with zero FO or coaching experience doesn’t seem like a low ball offer at all.
Koby Altman will be promoted from within like Ferry, Grant, and Griffin before him. He’s super into analytics and an Ivy League guy. They kept the two guys responsible for cap management and most of th FO staff.
Seems fine to me.
I agree on Altman. But less so on Billups. In the NBA, there is lots of precedent for large salaries to people with limited experience. Kerr was never a coach until GSW and NYK got into a bidding war for him. Same with Kidd. Phil Jackson got a huge deal. If a former player is seen as a talented potential leader, you need to pay the dude — these guys have lots of lucrative outside options. And, as soon as Griff walked, there were reports leaked about Billups. So if Billups is the guy, pay him what it takes. If… Read more »
How much was Griffin worth? Did he deserve more than $2 million?
Wait till Gilbert decides to sign Kelly Olynyk! :)
I’d take him.
I am worried that Gilbert is going over the edge.
Dude… Gilbert marches to his own drum… always has
This has been a horrible offseason for him. In an LBJ walk year, he went ultra cheap on Griffin AND Billups. Both guys refused to work for him because he wouldn’t pay them market rates. To say it hasn’t hampered getting players is complete BS. It has. LBJ isn’t recruiting people. Players know he may not stick around. The front office is being run by someone with very little experience. Gilbert thinks he is smarter than he is. He made his money by taking advantage of people in the mortgage industry. He can’t do that in the NBA. Add to… Read more »
Agree. The White House stuff with Trump (a person LBJ absolutely hates) and then the CUBS championship ceremony makes it seem like he is actively trolling LeBron. Which is just insane. I just can’t make sense of it. And I am willing to give him benefit of the doubt.
Taking advantage of people? I guess if you think mortgages are unfair in and of themselves.
According to:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19846453/cleveland-cavaliers-offered-market-salary-former-gm-candidate-chauncey-billups
Gilbert wanted Billups to work for half the going rate.
This is not looking good for the future of the Cavs!
Nope. But atleast we have next year to enjoy.
Meh. I don’t see what Billups brought to the table that we should be so willing to pay for. There’s probably plenty of amateur capologists out there who could do the job much better for much less. Cols would do it for a six pack per home game
It’s not about Billups. It’s about a meddling owner who doesn’t value a GM, or a stable front office.
He’s the one who writes the checks tho… at least until he doesn’t…
It’s his right. He’s the owner. But he’s playing a high stakes game of chicken.
Not really though… he’s a billionaire… he’s got a championship… he’s the one footing the bills…
Of course. But in terms of having a successful team down the road, he could be shooting himself in the foot.
That’s just kind of who he is though… he’s shot himself in the foot before… in fact, he shot himself in the head with that letter, or so it appeared at the time…
Right, it is who he is, and it’s not good. Crappy owner who will win as long as Lebron is on the team. And Lebron is on the team one more year…
Well… there will be plenty of years to complain about him after this one if that changes…
Or until he moves the team.
It’s not like he had any commensurate experience for which to be paid…
Donavan Mitchell with the dagger!!! Fultz also looking clutch albeit in a losing effort.
Probably going to the Warriors…
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/882706712356159488
I don’t think the Ws have the space after signing Casspi & Swaggy
The Shump deal
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882790853172920321
Fultz looking good again…. but turns the ball over too much.
Donavan Mitchell…. wow… this kid is ridiculous!!!
WOW… this kid just threw two freaking dimes to Dante Exum and he blows both of the dunks.
I’m surprised the Nets didn’t offer him a max deal.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882750266335838208
Good for him.
CHOWDAH!!!
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882773040341430272
SAW SUMMER LEAGUE ROSTER—FORGOT ALL ABOUT SIR DOMINICK—-IF HE IMPROVED HIS SHOT TO GO WITH HIS ATHLETICISM / DEFENSE –HE WOULD BE A LONG SHOT
The longer it gets, the more likely we get Melo on a buyout.
I like that picture at the top. Those people are whiter than a Trump rally.
They didn’t vote for Trump though.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/882762880885506049
I’m not sure we have a front office that is paying attention.
https://twitter.com/Cavsanada/status/882668396998938624
Hello, Mr. Ainge? Need to make some room for that new toy?
I got a trade exception for Marcus Smart?
Good take on Millsap. His value doesn’t come up in numbers. Am surprised Cavaliers didn’t try to trade for him.
He’s good, but not better than love. Plus Cavs can’t participate in sign and trade for a player.
And 4 years older than Love. Color me completely unsurprised the Cavs didn’t try to trade for him. But warriorsfan is Colsian when it comes to Millsap.
lol, not colsian.
But, wonder what Ben Werth would say regarding Love Vs Milsap comparison.
Ben’s was pretty geeked about the idea of Love playing with Jokic if that three way PG-13 trade had gone down… safe to say he’s a bigger fan of Love than Millsap…
Going forward, I’d probably take Love, but only because of age. Millsap has been the better two way player over the last few seasons and can slide into almost any role you ask him to play. Their games are so different while having much of the same skill-set. Both are great rebounders and smart team defenders. Both stretch the floor while also being able to post up. Millsap has been an elite defender over the course of his career. Next season, Millsap is probably better next to the Joker for that reason. Kevin would have provided more ball movement highlights… Read more »
+1. Thanks for the response. Reasonable. One more question, given that Cavs in finals is pretty much a guaranteed unless Celts add couple of more stars, who would help Cavs more against warriors in finals ?
I’d actually take Love, though it seems somewhat inconsistent. The reason is that Love can legit play big minutes at center and stretch the floor with a better catch and shoot game. Defensively, Millsap helps more against certain lineups, but if I had to go with one guy, I go with Love.
Shump was the reason the Cavs bled points at time, never Love.
Millsap wanted paid & is not better than Love.
I would take CJ Miles and give him Shump’s minutes.
What the heck are the Cavs doing? sleeping the off-season away….
https://twitter.com/HoopsRumors/status/882696749365809153
That’s one old guy I’d like to sign.
If they can’t work out a deal, the Cavs should throw the MLE at Allen, IMO.
Cavs need MLE for Cedi
Some of it, surely. We do have some exceptions we can use for teams that need to offload players to sign bigger fish. If we could trade Shump for nothing (salary wise), we’d have a big one.
Precious few deals have been in our price range ($5.2 or less). If Crawford gets bought out, we have a shot there.
Hard no on Crawford.
Got a piece coming out tomorrow on a lot of this. Cavs have a lot of guys they could grab.
https://twitter.com/randella22/status/882691495328964608
Hope that’s a joke. Haslem is garbage.
Pretty soon the Cavs will be able to join the 40 and older league.
Boston’s best line up probably doesn’t include IT or Horford. Until they get rid of them, Cavs will obliterate them again and again.
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/882673691951325185
WOW —-DUBS STRONGER ALREADY THAN LAST YEAR…….GASOL POSSIBLY TO THE CELTICS IF THAT HAPPENS IS THERE REASON FOR CONCERN …..SAD THAT THE JEDI NOT ON SUMMER LEAGUE TEAM ….GOT MY FOCUS ON ANDREW WHITE WHO HAS LEGITIMATE NBA 3 RANGE WITH ACCURACY ON TOP OF BEING A SOLID ATHLETE
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882659393954652160
Hopefully swaggy-p destroys their chemistry.
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/882644701249060864
No Cedi Osman… Sad face.
Even if he signs, he’s got Turkish national team stuff. He was never going to play summer league.
Sir Dominic still on the team. Had no idea.
https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/882638381133516801
Why???
Duh, because they need to get older.
Hah!
I don’t see it with Hayward. He is impressive in the regular season statistically, but I watched him in the playoffs and came away viewing him as a Kevin Love type. Great player. Unique skillset. Important to any team, but not really a guy that can take over a big time game in the playoffs. That is a different skill and it is what matters most in terms of winning championships. We have two guys who can do it. Celtics have zero. I think we still beat them in 5 maybe 6. And we still have the 3 best players… Read more »
Great views Ben. I definitely like reading how the other teams moves have an impact on the Cavs fortunes.
Boston is in a strange spot without Thomas last season, as unpopular as it would have been. His value will never be higher, and he could be exposed as struggling with another high usage player. I don’t think it was a coincidence that the Celtics played the Cavs closer without him in the lineup.
West would be fun if Durant hadn’t ruined it. Guess the only correct thing to do is to root for serious career ending injury!
Yep. Durant is such a joke.
I hope that last part was sarcasm.
HEY AT LEAST THIS FRIDAY BRINGS US SUMMER LEAGUE—-WILL BE WATCHING FELDER / TAVARES / OSMAN AND ANDREW WHITE CLOSELY SEE IF THERE IS ANY POTENTIAL THERE ——-ALSO WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT PLAYERS /CONTRACTS THE CELTICS DUMP ………ANY CHANCE CAVS PURSUE RUDY GAY
It would be awesome to see Cedi on the summer league roster. I haven’t seen a definitive answer if he will be, and it will probably come down to him sign his contract. If he is on the squad, and he excells it could convince the Cavs that he’ll be a valuable rotation player for the big league club. If he struggles it could hurt his trade value.
Boston still can’t compete with Cleveland.
Leandro Barbosa was waived by Phx. Can we un-sign Calderon? Barbosa is better (that’s not saying much) than Calderon in almost every aspect except playmaking. He’s still have the footspeed to defend unlike Calderon.
Having both is possible, and perhaps a sound game plan with both being up there in age and the Cavs could run the hot hand at backup point guard. There should be a couple roster spots open with the presumed retirement of JFJ, and the assumed departure of Derrick Williams. If they do swing a deal for Melo of Shump, Frye and $3.9 is salary they’ll have a gaggle of roster spots open.
Calderon is such a dumb signing
Barbosa a was never a good defender though.
And not even close to a better shooter than Calderon either.
But still better compared to José
Enjoyed reading this, Ben, thanks for writing it. Agree that this may not be good for Thomas in the longer run. He has a pretty inflated opinion of his own value. A very good offensive player, but very hard to envision him as part of a championship team. A defensive uber liability, and too ball dominate for an offense with legit stars. Hard to imagine Ainge paying him the max. (hope he does, though) He’s more of the Simmons big stats/ bad team guy, ironic considering he’s on Bill Simmons’ own Celtics. And yeah I know they have been winning… Read more »