The Point-Fourward: Singular Genius
2017-08-02Four point play…
1.
He can’t stop me.
Bending down to grab the ball rolling slowly back to his feet, the guard sniggers.
Yeah. Like that’s going to wreck my rhythm.
He snatches up the ball in one motion instantly moving into a triple-threat position, right foot forward, ball near his left hip.
He doesn’t pick up either foot. No pivot foot has been established.
Really dude?! You are going to try to shade me left?
The hulking man in front of him extends a giant left hand into his face. It doesn’t bother the guard in the least. He is looking at the defender’s midsection searching for a split second of relaxation.
I should Shammgod this fool until he falls over.
The guard’s mere thought of driving left rocks the massive defender momentarily onto his heels. The guard stabs the ball left, low and forward before sweeping it from left to right and up into his shooting motion.
The defender’s superhero body is a moment too late in recovering balance. The shot rainbows through the air, but both men already know that’s game.
I am the greatest ball-handler in history and I don’t even need a single dribble.
And so he goes, mowing through one All-NBA player after another. Winner’s outs means never having to play defense. It seems a more pertinent idiom than the one about love and apology.
Occasionally, he’ll miss a shot. The other guy will score a few buckets off of bully-ball backdowns before getting “big man bored” and hoisting one from deep. The guard will chuckle at the opponent’s stupidity and not let him see the rock again.
Only with left hand off glass this game.
Only on Jordan fallaways in this one.
No one can stop the guard. He knows it. Everyone in the gym knows it. He is the greatest one-on-one player in the world. Ya know, if you only play winner’s outs.
2. NBA guys play with a variety of one-on-one rules in practice. There is the “two dribbles or less”, up to an assortment of scores, and even the occasional loser’s outs.
In basketball world in general, playing loser’s outs (possessions alternating regardless of outcome) is thought of as child’s play. Real ballers play winner’s outs (make-it-take-it).
Kyrie Irving is simply unguardable in traditional ballers’ one-on-one. He can get any shot he wants. More importantly, his “I’m taking this shot because I’m bored and/or tired” is still a good shot. Frequently, a bigman who could absolutely destroy any guard will get bored after three or four post-ups and will try something outside of his skill-set. Kyrie’s “bored shot” is far more likely to go in than Shaq’s.
Why am I talking about one-on-one ball?
It may give us some insight as to the degree of Kyrie Irving’s belief in himself. Back in 2012, Irving was already confident enough to know that he could beat Kobe Bryant head to head. Sure, Kobe could have beaten him too. Kobe’s competitive edge would have likely persuaded him to take fewer bad shots. Of course, it could have also had the opposite effect, forcing him to try to beat Kyrie with Kyrie type moves. That would have been foolish. Even prime Kobe didn’t have the full offensive arsenal that Kyrie Irving has. Regardless, Irving already felt unstoppable five years ago.
Who knows how many times Kyrie and LeBron have played one-on-one. I’m betting Kyrie beats The King more often than not. I can’t imagine James plays a disciplined one-on-one game unless it is for his family’s life. Even in real NBA games, LeBron has been known to dally in the inefficient for the sake of fun. He truly knows he could physically go through any player across from him. It’s more fun to actually play basketball sometimes.
I imagine that in a game that comes down to “whose bad shot is better?”, Irving comes out on top. No one expects Kyrie to be able to guard LeBron. They do expect the opposite. When Irving scores easily against LeBron, it helps build his own internal legend.
3. It’s easy to regard one-on-one ability as completely irrelevant to NBA players. It’s not. It’s what all these guys grew up with and what they respect. It’s biological. It’s the reason that Kobe was often cited as “best player in the world” by his peers when he was clearly not the best player on an NBA court. It’s the reason that a player like Mathew Dellavedova gets so little respect from players who have never been on his team. And it’s the reason why Kyrie Irving is 100% sure that he is just as good as LeBron James. In one-on-one, he is.
In his mind, he can cherry-pick that fact and leave team basketball out of the equation. We all do it everyday. An optimist cherry-picks the positive and a pessimist cherry-picks the negative. Neither is a realist. They just have different quality cherries in their baskets.
Kyrie Irving has already experienced the pressure of being “the man” after a LeBron James departure. Even if one doesn’t believe LeBron will leave Cleveland again, James will eventually retire. I can totally understand why Irving wouldn’t look forward to an opportunity to have all the risk of criticism with little chance of praise. Even if Irving were successful, the media narrative would likely focus on what LeBron’s mentoring role was in that success. If he weren’t, his entire Finals legacy would be diminished.
All the while, his peers would still be abjectly terrified to play him. Opposing players all know that Kyrie is unstoppable. If you had switched Kyrie in the place of James Harden or Russell Westbrook last season, he would likely have scored 35 PPG, albeit with fewer assists.
4. Irving has played those guys countless times. He knows that he can do what they did. One could attempt to label his desire to try such a thing as being selfish. The thing is, Kyrie already has Olympic Gold and an NBA Championship. The young man wants to flex his muscle a little bit while he is in his prime.
He will never be able to do that in Cleveland. Even if LeBron does leave.
Curry. Yeah right.
Russ. Man, he’s a load, but he can’t shoot and my handle is better.
The Beard. Let’s see him do that without refs.
John Wall. Can’t shoot, Can’t finish.
Chris Paul. He’s too small. Where’s the next level?
Kawhi. Who? Just playin’. Yeah, he’s solid.
KD. Okay, Okay. Dude can play.
Bron. Can we just not talk about him for two seconds? Seriously, give me two seconds without this dude coming up in conversation. Yes, he’s great. We all know. But ya know what? He can’t lock me up either. Don’t look at me like that. Ya know what, screw it. You’ll see. I’m out.
Well no movement yesterday. Looks like we’re staying put for a bit.
Interview with Koby: http://www.nba.com/video/2017/08/02/20170802-cavaliers-1on1-koby-altman
Oh goodness trollwRriorsfan. If the Cavs got rid of JR they had no replacement. Cavs are capped out. As are the warriors now. There isn’t some magic button you can press and replace JR with a league minimum guy which is all they could offer. Stop talking about things you don’t know.
no replacement for JR, you mean for probably the worst starter in the league last year ? There was no offers for JR from elsewhere, you get him for cheap long term or short term.
Hey, calm down. I doubt if JR was the worst starter in the league last year. And he looked pretty good in the 2016 finals.
Yep. He’s a warriorsfan so how do you expect him to know this stuff? I think he’s just a troll actually.
I’m in the Keep Kyrie camp. Card-carrying member. Is this alliteration doing anything for anyone? Cavs are drama kings, they can get through this nonsense and make the finals for the 4th straight year.
If they do trade him, I hope Sam Amico is right, and they will only make a trade if they think it improves the team. Not just to be rid of him
I was always of the opinion that the greatest potential for the Cavs to improve was growth in Kyrie’s game. Getting better at using his skills to set others up thus making it harder gor teams to load up on him. Would make our offense flow smoother. More easy shots.
The trade demand indicates he has no intention of playing this way. He is interested in putting up individual numbers more than winning. We can’t beat GSW if Kyrie plays selfishly.
THAT IS SO COOL FOR J.R. —–NOT SURE ( AGREE WITH RAOUL ) IF GRIFF WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ALL THAT DONE EITHER —CAVS WERE SOMEWHAT HANDCUFFED AND HOW LONG DID WE KNOW KYRIE’S INTENTIONS —–LOVE GRIFF —HE DID SOME REAL NICE THINGS HERE BUT HE DIDN’T ALWAYS ” HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK “
https://twitter.com/MRidenourABJ/status/893124929264078850
RAOUL AGREE MAYBE THE ” DUST HAS SETTLED ‘ WORDS WERE SPOKEN / MAYBE OUT OF FRUSTRATION —–KY AND FATHER / CAMP RETHINKING THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF THINGS —-HOPING THAT WOULD BE THE CASE
Just realized that Houston did the exact off-season we should have had. Kyrie for Chris Paul trade and then pick up Mbah a Moute and PJ Tucker. THAT TEAM takes Warriors in 5. Arghhhhhh
Imagine a CP3, Korver, LeBron, Mbah a Moute, Tristan or Love lineup
If only…
Second unit of CP3, PJ Tucker, JR, Love, Tavares
This is absolutely right on.
Houston’s front office was on top of things, our’s was impeded by an incompetent owner. Griffin would have gotten all that done.
So you think Griffin could do everything? Then why didn’t he get Durant for the Cavs last year?
You are right, Kyrie wanting to leave became known after Griffin had been let go. But get ridding of Shump and adding perimeter defensive talent was a high priority. Mbah a Moute was added for the league minimum by Houston, no reason why the Cavs couldn’t have added him.
Due to Griffin’s track record, I think he would have done better this off-season in addressing the Cavs needs than the front office has currently done without him.
Houston has been getting big names without losing future flexibility and had no problems with Howard, Parsons etc.. leaving when they proved to be overpaid burdens.
The two situations are not the same…
Could be but the way Morey is operating, JR Smith and Shump wouldn’t have been cavs last year or would have been on shorter term contracts.
Yeah. If we would have known earlier we could have landed CP3. Still, if we can’t get the homerun package we want, it is better to wait. He is under contract for two years. Try to sell him on the idea of taking down the Warriors & expanding leads when Bron sits as definitions of greatness.
It would be nice if 16 million a year was enough to “sell” a guy on doing his job, but what do I know
AM THINKING THE SAME JMAY—–JUST NOT REAL OPTOMISTIC ANYTHING HAPPENS …..AND MAYBE THAT IS FOR THE BEST —WE SHALL SEE
My only thing is we haven’t heard any NEW rumors in a few days now. It’s almost like the offers that are going to be made have already been made. So that means either we are rejecting them or we were waiting until the 3rd when rookies can be traded. You very well might be right that we are all staying put today.
The best thing that can happen is if Kyrie rethinks his position. If he has, everyone involved is wise to keep mum, so there is a chance for that.
Well, today is the third. Fingers crossed.
AMICO HOOPS —GOOD ARTICLE / SUMMARY ON KY
Nice article.
I’m still at 15% Kyrie is flat earthing us
Man this time of year is boring for sports. When all the talking heads get hours worth of talk about Jordan’s comments on Kobe vs LeBron. I know I’m speaking into the void here, but I propose a change to any discussions about player comparisons: we distinguish between “Greatest” and “Best”. Greatest has to deal with legacy and cultural impact. Best deals with a player’s talent and ability to impact the game, specifically at his peak. Bill Russell is one of the Greatest players ever. Not in the top 25 Best players ever The Beatles are the Greatest band ever.… Read more »
Do you suppose MJ is a little butthurt that Bron has surpassed almost all of his playoff career totals including points made and is far from done?
Bingo.
Agree about a boring time of year. My local station for Cleveland Sports has ESPN yammers on the rest of the time. When I stumble onto them while driving, I think “Why don’t these guys talk about sports instead of TV or Movies?”. Then I hear Freddy Coleman, and wish he was talking about movies. Excellent point about the Beatles. On a slightly related note, today’s “Cleveland.com” listed some writers idea of the 50 greatest guitar players of all time. He had George Harrison ranked pretty high. What a joke. Of the three guys from the Yardbirds, he had Clapton… Read more »
That’s not Jeff beck, It’s Nigel Tufnell.
Darn! I always confuse those guys.
If you think Russell is not amongst the best ever, then you are sheep. Best defender ever. 2nd best rebounder ever. Great passer who can lead the break. 11 titles & 12 Finals in 13 seasons + the last two as head coach & starting center. Plus two NCAA titles at San Francisco. Best regular season record 9 years in a row (2nd best the next two). Best intangibles. Undefeated in Game 7s. Best Game 7 performance ever (30 pts & 40 rebs vs Lakers). Voted Greatest player of NBA history. No chill mode. Best player ever.
I like how hard you brought it in this comment
Goodbye to the best. Miss him to be sure. Great ref who never made the game about him and kept things on an even keel. Also not afraid to admit when he got a call wrong.
https://twitter.com/SInow/status/892823842091040768
The NBA loses one of the good ones. How do we get Brothers to follow suit?
Kyrie should know that if he heads out west, there is no guarantee he will even make the 2018 All-Star game. He will have to compete with Curry, Thompson, Harden, Westbrook, Paul, Conley, Lillard, Butler for the backcourt slots. Guys like Devin Booker and CJ McCollum might have breakout seasons and you know those LA fans will vote for Lonzo Ball.
I’m sure he thinks he’s better than all those guys…
He’s better than all but curry paul harden and Westy for PGs out west. And he’s better than curry in the playoffs.
I’d take Conley for Kyrie straight up. Curry is way better than Kyrie.
Not in the finals.
Wapner is on in 10 minutes. Judge Wapner.
@Jason: how do you watch the Finals over the last 3 years and determine that Curry is “way better” than Kyrie?
I know Kyrie coasts on defense, especially in the regular season. But the Cavs picking on Curry was instrumental in them winning the 2016 title – it’s not like Curry is a defensive stopper.
I would say Kyrie is a ballstopper, and therefore it makes Curry the slightly more efficient offensive player. But it’s very close in terms of talent
I would trade KI for Curry without even thinking. That’s end of story for me.
The salaries dont work straight up Conley signed big contract last year but I guess you can throw in Shump to make it work.
plus Guards more than forwards are measured through wins. Don’t think any guard in either conference made all star team from non playoff team.
Kinda fun to think about who will make the ASG out west with so many good players… there will be many snubs.
My guess…
Starting: KD, Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, AD
Bench: Curry, CP3, Boogie, Butler, PG13
That leaves 2 spots for: Thompson, Draymond KAT, Conley, Gobert, Lilliard, Blake, Deandre, Jokic, Millsap, McCollum, etc
I’m sure I’m forgetting more but the West is so loaded.
What no Kyrie?
Didn’t include him until he actually gets traded… hopefully he’s an ASG starter in the East for the good guys..
Well it seems that Kyrie will be staying now that he has hurt his chances of getting trade more by already saying that he will not commit long run with anyteam.
From KI standpoint is understandable but if you really want to get trade you just don’t say that.
Even if he committed to a team, why would that team take him seriously? Even if he signed a 10 year contract he’d still just demand a trade two years in. No one should take his word or his signature.
Source?
Terry Pluto, among others. From Pluto:
“I’m told Irving is not about to commit to any team at this point. He has two seasons left on his contract and wants to keep his options open.”
Typical. Man, over the past year, my opinion of him has plummeted…
I don’t think this changes anything.
Dammit. Interstellar sucked.
Yeah, it was a real letdown and I love Nolan movies. Your list was pretty good earlier; though I have Memento at #2 behind Inception.
I’ll be happy when he’s gone at this point. August 3rd can’t arrive too soon.
He’s going to be very tough to replace in the post-season.
True. I’m tired of his childish BS this offseason.
Yep. Me too. I just want us to realize how much harder it’s going to be to beat the warriors without Irving.
I thought we were going to win it all with Dudley?
He wants to be Colby BB Gun Bryant!
I’ll be happy to watch him be that on the Knicks.
Ben explained it to perfection, thanks Ben.
The common quality in most of these type of scorers like Kyrie, Kobe and others like them is that they tend to be hard to handle from a coaches standpoint cause sometimes they will not run set plays out of timeouts and will choose to go hero ball do to their trust on their incredible scoring habilities.
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/08/lebron_james_and_derrick_rose.html
And very enjoyable piece Ben.
Well at least the Warriors are not getting Ian Clark back:
The Pelicans have agreed to a one-year, $1.6MM with free agent guard Ian Clark, according to Shams Charania of The Vertical. Clark’s deal is the standard minimum pact for a player with four years of experience.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/08/pelicans-agree-to-deal-with-ian-clark.html
A-ha! Now we’ve got them on the ropes – no Ian Clark!
Lol…
https://twitter.com/AdiJoseph/status/892765596160577536
Cols – Now you’re trashing Interstellar, one of my favorite movies, too?
Yeah I liked Interstellar.
Me too.
OMG, that movie was so dumb and stupid and bad. I cannot believe you liked it. I expect Nate to like things that suck, but you??????
I liked it, but the end was so damned dumb.
The entire movie was so damned dumb. The ending was just the suckiest part abou tit.
Eh. I enjoyed it. Maybe even a little more that I know you didn’t.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!
dumb and stupid and bad…
Irony…
hah – you’ve been expanding the scope of your posts the last year to include all kinds of (what I’ll call) “Cols-signaling”. From reading them my hunch is we don’t overlap a ton on the values that people like to talk about. I’ll bet you’re closer to Nate than you’d be comfortable realizing.
Oh no. You voted for Trump!
I voted for Evan McMillan (is that his name?) and I had to unfollow him 2 weeks later he was such a wiener.
I really enjoyed this Ben – great coffee break at work piece
Imo if you want to figure out who the best 1 on 1 players in the world are, you have to see which players have the most success finishing a break in traffic. That’s really the only true 1 on 1 situation you get in the NBA – where the other 8 guys are behind the play. You’re looking at LeBron, Kyrie, and Durant – in that order imo. I have a hard time believing anyone can beat LeBron 1 on 1 unless, as Ben indicates, he just chucks up a lot of bad jumpers. He’s just too strong for… Read more »
I will measure it different way, who is most efficient in ISO situations. Here is sorted in playoffs, among players who played 10 playoff games last year. Kyrie is #5 behind Demar, Curry, Lebron and James Harden,
http://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=aFG&dir=1&CF=PossG*GE*2:GP*GE*10
Kyrie has better EFG% than most in regular season though.
Curry is just insufferable. I disliked Sheed less.
Completely Agree. The only thing worse than an arrogant ass is an arrogant ass who pretends he isn’t.
AGREE 100 % WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NATE —VERY WELL WORDED
I wax and wane. I mean LeBron subtweeted his teammates for two years. I’m not sure sure anything Kyrie has done is any worse. Steph also way backed off the video and said neither he nor Kyrie meant any disrespect. If people aren’t going to step to the plate with a fair offer, then it’s time to tell Kyrie, “we’re not getting trade offers worthy of a player of your stature.” Then you tell him, “show the world what you can do, and people will give us something we can move you for.” You’ll get the offers. Otherwise you sit… Read more »
Agreed. Though if they don’t manage that, I don’t want to see the disarray and listen to the BS all season long. Sounds miserable.
Agree with Nate. It looks like a long shot to get much in return for Kyrie. The main way Kyrie is valuable is as a sidekick for someone like LeBron. And there are not many out there. I think there is a pretty good chance he winds up staying. The video was just clowning around and was not intended to get out. Our best chance for a good return is if our favorite guy, Stephen A. Smith is successful in convincing New Yorkers that the Knicks need Kyrie. They don’t want to trade Porzingis, but might if the Cavs also… Read more »
I disagree. The main way Kyrie is valuable is to a playoff team that needs to get to the next level. The dude is a closer who can make very tough shots against very tough defenses. Ben hit it on the head with his mirror mirror. Kyrie is top 3-6 in the league at this, somewhere at or between Kawhi, AD (the only guy Ben might’ve left out of the above discussion), and Steph. You cannot be one of the top four teams in the NBA without one of these guys. The Warriors have two. The Cavs were the second… Read more »
On point Nate.
But … on a team where Kyrie is running everything, he will be guarded much more tightly, and the team is not likely to ever get to the finals. Kyrie would never have been in a position for the biggest shot in Cavs history if it had not been for LeBron. That is what I mean by a “sidekick” for a great player. It is a lot easier to make the big shot when you are not the focus of the D. BTW, how did you like Kyrie’s final shot this year?? Rather than let LeBron run something, which might… Read more »
Yeah. It was fricking terrible.
Yes! We need to hold Kyrie if the market isn’t there for him.
Agree 100%.
+1000000000
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http://drtscott.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f9519ae883301b8d17d88cf970c-pi
Ben, you absolutely nailed Kyrie Irving. I said this (in far less detail) to numerous people right after he asked to be traded. On one level, sure it’s selfish. On another, it’s a guy wanting to test himself to see if he can actually carry a franchise (and who has the confidence that he can). My biggest beef is the way he’s handled it. Yucking it up when Curry makes fun of LeBron, a guy that, regardless of what Kyrie thinks, has absolutely mentored him into being a champion. It’s ignoring the Cavs’ calls. It’s mocking LeBron in that video.… Read more »
We already saw how it turns out when Kyrie tried to carry a franchise.
True. But he was younger and suckier then. He can still get better. Kyrie is awesome. Losing him is going to hurt.
Exactly and that’s why the asking price from the Cavs has to be extremely high.
Couldn’t disagree more. Kyrie’s first 3 years in the league surrounded by terrible talent is a pretty absurd barometer of whether a guy can carry a franchise. It’s pretty irrelevant, IMO.
Durant’s first 3 years in the league: 20-62, 23-59, 50-32 (once he got help)
Kyrie’s first 3 years in the league: 21-45, 24-58, 33-49 (no help in his third year)
GOOD ARTICLE —I CONSTANTLY STRUGGLE ( AS I AM SURE OTHERS DO ) WITH DO WE TRADE KY OR KEEP HIM AND SEE WHAT DEVELOPS—–WITH HIS SELFISH / IMMATURE ATTITUDE I SAY ‘ TRADE HIM NOW ” BUT THEN I LOOK AT HIS ABALITIES –DON’T WANT TO JUST GIVE HIM AWAY—THERE HAS TO BE AN HONEST RETURN ON THE DOLLAR ONLY WAY I WOULD MAKE “PANIC ” TRADE IS IF LEBRON HIMSELF SAID ” THE DUDE HAS TO BE GONE BEFORE CAMP STARTS “—-OTHERWISE MAYBE THEY CAN CO-EXIST AND OVER A PERIOD OF TIME KY MATURES AND ALL IS FORGOTTEN… Read more »
yep, i can wrap my head around this.
KD took less money and was willing to take less shots in order to win a title. And he improved his defense in a role where he took less shots. Kyrie refused to play defense & wants to bail on winning so he can jack up shots & build his brand.
One is a guy you want on your team. One is not.
Durant ISO’d the warriors to a title in the Finals.
Alternate fact.
In playoffs, Durant+Curry averaged 4.5 ISO possessions per game together, While Kyrie and Lebron averaged 7.8 and 6.8 respectively per game.
http://stats.nba.com/players/isolation/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=PossG&dir=1&CF=GP*GE*15:PossG*GE*2
In comparison, Durant averaged 5 iso possessions per game with OKC the prior year.
The problem is that one on one skills is wht you need in the playoffs. It’s why the Cavs rule the playoffs. It’s why the dumb warriors
Added Durant. One on one is a necessary skill. It’s why replacing him is going to be so tough.
Yep. Ws became invincible when they added adominant one-on-one scorer. It was amazing how KD gave them an easy way settle themselves everytime the Cavs had them on the ropes. Without KD, LBJ and Kyrie’s genius wins the series again.
I will say, though, that a one-on-one scorer as THE CENTERPIECE is not a good model. You need more balance. But you also that “Dog” that can get buckets at the critical time.
Absolutely.
Exactly, all championship teams do.
Disagree. It is a skill that should only be employed when nothing else is there or there is a severe mismatch. Otherwise, move the ball. Kyrie goes iso too often & too early too often. Bad offense. Plus, he can’t run a fast break that doesn’t end in him going 1 v. 3 at the hoop. Kobe did the same thing (at least he was taller), Shaq & Gasol largely bailed him out come PO time. He’d have all of one title without them.
Oh it’s fun watching a point guard have a ZERO assist games and jack up tons of shots off no-pass possessions. It’s also fu watching your point guard lazily jogging in transition defense.
It’s also fun to watch Kyrie make impossible shots and be efficient even though he shoots a lot. It’s also fun to watch him torch the warriors every Finals.
People here are forgetting that Kyrie’s scoring ability was the one that got the Cavs the needed score to win the chip in 2016.
Agree, but people here are also forgetting that Kyrie needed to be put in the position to get the needed score to win the chip in 2016. I don’t see how Kyrie who had led the Cavs to an average of 26 win games in the 3 years as main man can do it now as an alpha dog regardless of his experience. Kyrie saved the Cavs but he too needed saving. Kyrie’ s brain fart was saved by Lebron’s iconic block and that gave him the chance to be hero.
And be torched
Exactly, I agree with Cols. When the lakers had 2 of the league’s best scorers at that time (Kobe and Shaq) they got 3 in a row. Great playoffs teams need guys that you can gave them the ball and tell them get me a bucket. Which was exactly what happened in 2016 with “The Shot” from Kyrie.
Yes there were a few teams that won chips mostly based on system ball but most of the time the teams with the best players/scorers will win it all.
No team wins on system. You need HOF type talent. Maybe the exception was the mid 2000s Pistons. But even that team was loaded looking back on it.
Spurs 2014
Yeah. Only four hof-ers on that team.
They were a hyper deep and talented team but no one on that team was a top ten player at that point. Kawhi wasn’t as good offensively back then. Duncan was still productive but wasn’t what he once was. Parker was probably there best player.
By the time the finals rolled around, Kawhi was a top ten player. He won the finals MVP. And Duncan was still one of the games’ best defenders.
Igaugdala won the finals MVP. Was he a top ten player?
True, the spurs HOFers were way past their peak by then. And the Mavs with only one future HOFer.
or have the role players to make that ‘Shot’ like Ray Allen, Horry, Derek Fisher, Steve Kerr – who all made that championship winning shots while not being stars and not dominating ball, if the intent is to have someone to hit that ‘shot’ in the end.
Thanks for injecting some reality here.
I wonder if anyone has a compilation of the biggest shots in playoff history, and what ones were by a role player?
Remember reading some article, can’t find the link, where half of the biggest shots were by role players.
Whether or not this take is right or not, it is a good piece. And still depicts a player who is selfish & stupid & has a low hoops IQ. I was never a fan of Kobe’s game (not a top 10 player) and I am mot a fan of Kyrie’s overall game (not a top 20 current player). Still, a brilliant isolation scorer who does little else.
You’re probably spot on about Kyrie here.
As for Jackson not being available…
But two people familiar with the situation told The Associated Press that the Cavaliers’ position has remained unchanged and that no offer including Wiggins has been made to Minnesota. The people requested anonymity because neither team was publicly commenting on trade talks.
-NBA.com July 18, 2014
Interesting take Ben! He’s definitely suited for 1on1