Recap: Cleveland 124, Milwaukee 119 (or, National TV, No Problem)
2017-11-08Cleveland continued their trend of only coming up with great performances in national TV games (even if it was just NBATV), but what a performance it was (at least offensively) as Cleveland rode LeBron James, Kevin Love, and J.R. Smith (finally!) to a double digit fourth quarter lead that proved to be margin enough as Cleveland to hold off Giannis Antetokounmpo and the young Bucks for a quality win.
Sure, it’d be nice if Cleveland had played better defense. They allowed Milwaukee to shoot 57% from the floor, but they also used Milwaukee’s aggressiveness against them, to go 50% from the field themselves, and to shoot a whopping and impressive 33-38 from the free throw line. The Bucks didn’t even argue most of these calls, as they bit on pump fake after pump fake and reached instead of moving their feet throughout the game.
Cleveland raced out to a monster first quarter, dropping 39 on the Bucks to Milwaukee’s 28. The Cavs’ big three: LeBron, J.R., and Kevin went for 10, eight, and 12 respectively and shot a combined 9-10 in the quarter. Cleveland made it a point to run some plays for J.R. early and get him open on a couple screens out the wing. He buried one, and it was was all she wrote. He was back in the zone. Unfortunately, the Alphabet and Malcolm Brogdon got it going themselves, with Giannis dropping ten and Brogdon canning a couple treys for the Bucks.
The Cavs played with energy, and used the Bucks’ kamikaze D to get in the bonus by the 9:32 mark. Love worked all over the key from the elbow on down to get to the line 7 times in the quarter. Lue’s crew even ran a decent amount of scripted plays to look competently coached. It was a good tone setter. Kyle “La Flama Blanca” Korver shook free for an off-the-bounce trey over Tony Snell right before the first quarter buzzer for further tone setting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8kK1zlWKCI
All good things come to an end though, and the Cavs’ second quarter was ugly, as the Wine and Gold gave up 39 while only scoring 26. The bench lineup: Dwyane Wade, Kyle Korver, Shump, Jeff Green, and Derrick Rose looked unexpectedly competent for a time, but devolved into questionable shots and an inability to execute a coherent offense. More than one commenter was wondering why the heck Channing Frye wasn’t playing. I mean could he have done much worse than allowing the Bucks to shoot 70% from the floor? The Cavs had problems getting into their offense and turned it over five times in the period. The fact that the Bucks stuck to Korver like glue, and that no one else on that lineup has any ability to stretch the floor didn’t help either. At least running that Frye/Korver Wing action would’ve opened some stuff up.
By the time the starters returned, the Bucks were rolling. Yes, the Bucks went 5-5 from mid-range, but the they waltzed their way through the lane for too many wide open layups and easy post-ups, as Cleveland was content to counter Giannis with Jae Crowder and no help. The Alphabet’s post-up into the spin move (and an uncalled travel 75% of the time) was in full effect as he went 5-5 to score 11 points in six minutes against the hapless Cavs. Khris Middleton dropped another 13, playing the whole second quarter as he used Cleveland turnovers as transition opportunities to get himself going. Fortunately Cleveland had Love and LeBron who least paced the scoring as Kevin got to the line five more times, and the Cavs ended the half down just 67-65.
The Cavs got some juice in the third quarter in the form of an unstoppable Kevin Love who was working around the basket to drop 12 on 5-7 from the floor, and gather five offensive rebounds. He was scoring on post-ups, dribble drives, and putbacks and controlled the paint. He even stuffed Antetokounmpo on a layup attempt.
Kevin was on his way to his best game of the season, but the Greek Freak was similarly unstoppable has he spun his way into 15 in third. The Cavs were at least able to at least generate five turnovers and limit themselves to just a pair. It didn’t hurt that Jae Crowder and J.R. Smith got off the schneid from three, and Jeff Green deposited a sweet feed from the King with a monster jam in transition.
Slowly Cleveland was pulling away by just slightly out-executing the Bucks. The Bucks have a lot of guys who can be offensive non-factors: Snell, Maker, Delly, Liggins, Teletovic, Henson. They all had zero point quarters. And when Giannis isn’t scoring, the Bucks struggle. Only Brogdon (six points) and Snell (two) helped the freak out. By quarter’s end it was 94-90 good guys.
The fourth quarter started with a massive brain fart as four Cavs collapsed on a Matthew Dellavedova drive. That should never, ever happen. The predictable result: a wide open Teletovic three. Shumpert “answered” with an I-didn’t-really-call-bank-but-it-went-in pull-up as the shot clock was going down. A few plays later, the whole Cleveland defense collapsed again on a Brogdon drive that led to another Mizra shot clock beating trey. UGH.
Happily, J.R. had a gunslinger trey of his own followed by a right lane runner off the glass. An old school Wade step-back pushed the lead to double digits before Kyle Korver lost Teletovic who canned yet another trey. Two minutes of tough D and a couple of unexpected baskets by Shumpert, one an intentional banker, and the other a hardunkachud! pushed the lead back up to ten.
LeBron countered the Alphabet’s 40th point with a nifty little step back trey from the right wing (LeBron’s 2017 J is for real, yo). After a Henson oop, the the Cavs burned a minute off the clock with a two offensive rebound possession. The Bucks kept coming though, often aided by bad Cleveland defense.
Check out this clip where Kevin opens up to the wrong side and doesn’t push Middleton to his help, which leads to a terrible collapse by Shump who leaves Brodon in the corner for another three. Sandwiched in there were six points by Kev and LeBron as they got basket or the free throw line with post-ups and drives. Cleveland was up 120-114 before the Bucks lost ball out of a timeout, and then James sealed the game with a Jordanesque turnaround from the right block that tickled nothing but twine. It’s queued up here.
A running Middleton trey made it interesting, but with a five point lead, Kev’s hustle gave the ball back to the Cavs after a J.R. miss with 18 seconds left, and the Cavs held on to win.
WHEW!
Cleveland needed this in the worst way after laying an egg against Atlanta. But they did stick with the narrative of only getting up for quality opponents and national TV games. Kevin Love was an animal and finished with 32 and 16, plus three dimes, two steals, a block, and only two turnovers in by far the best game of the season. Interestingly, the Banana Republican didn’t take a shot outside the arc, but he hooked, dribbled, bullied, spun, and pump faked his way to nine 9-14 from the field and 14-16 from the line. More of that, please.
Knock on wood to ward off the jinx, but Cleveland has been really good from the line so far this year. They’re sixth in the league in free throws made and second in free throw percentage at 82%. 33-38 is pretty damned good, and the reason they won. They’re ninth in free throw attempts. For a team that has a hard time running, getting to the line should be a part of their mission statement. The best way to stop fast breaks is made free throws.
LeBron James played a sane 36 minutes and finished with what Fred McCloud called “the quietest 30 points of his career.” James went for 30, eight boards, and nine dimes and most importantly only one turnover to finish a game high +6.
It was wonderful to see James get some help, and Dwyane did a nice job running the second unit with 10 and three dimes, three boards, two blocks, a steal, and one turnover. Flash had a couple great defensive plays too, including a block on Giannis (that should’ve been a foul, but I love the effort). They need him to be a playmaker, because as we know, Rose is just a driver, and LeBron’s the point guard of the first unit.
An even more important development than a Kevin Love Hulkout was Earl Joseph Smith III getting his schwerve back: 5-7 from deep and 20 points overall. His jumper looked sooo much better. It was desperately needed. The Cavs don’t really have a fallback if he’s not playing well.
After nine turnovers in the first half, Cleveland finished with just 12 while forcing the Bucks into 17, including eight from the Freak. Yes, he finished with 40 on 16-21 shooting, but at least the effort was there defensively. Now Cleveland has to fix the execution errors.
Meh.
Derrick Rose is really frustrating. He put up some weak *** **** around the basket that got swatted to Lakewood by the Bucks. dRose had a couple nice non-swatted finishes, but you figure a nine year vet would be smart enough to not go one on three or four consistently. In his defense, he got thrown the ball in bad positions a couple times, but he doesn’t seem to be great at putting himself into good positions. Rose also, on multiple occasions, ignored the flames coming out of Love’s fingertips and the blinking neon sign over Kev’s that said, “Get this guy the ball.” Derrick is also abysmal at finding shooters on the drive, though. The Cavs didn’t exactly put a lot of shooters around him either, but yeah. Four turnovers. Still, I saw some effort from dRose breaking up some transition plays and in some scramble situations. And yes, he did finish with 10 points. I suppose we’re living with him till at least December.
Jae Crowder on an island against Giannis is a really tough ask. Cleveland missed TT in this one. Another long defender would’ve helpful. Crowder is still struggling. Ty Lue should be picking IT’s brain for some of the action that worked for Jae in Boston to get him going. Crowder was a very efficient player last year, but just 1-5 for five points, tonight.
Yes, Iman Shumpert was 3-3 for six points and five rebounds in 19 minutes. Not bad. He seemed in control, and didn’t dominate the ball. I fear this is only because he was returning from injury. Shump was also just as culpable in the collective defensive breakdowns late. If he plays like this, in control, every game, I’ll be happy. I’ll still have nightmares about him dribbling though. He’s my Babadook.
Ugh.
The Cavs aren’t taking and making enough corner threes. Cleveland went 3-5 from the corners versus 6-7 for the bucks. That’s a nine point swing. Yes, Cleveland outshot Milwaukee from outside, but setting up corner threes for Crowder, Wade, Rose, Love, and J.R. should be staples of this offense.
I was full on drinking the Hatorade earlier, but a healthy Bledsoe will really help Milwaukee. He’ll take the scoring load off of Giannis a little, and I imagine he’ll be in every second that the Freak is on the bench. Plus Eric can attack off the dribble, which will help break down defenses for the shooters. Brogdon is a solid guard, and if they combine him with Bledsoe, it will make them that much better. Delly’s going to see his minutes drop. They’re still not better than the Cavs though.
Winning while the other team shoots 57% is not sustainable. Cleveland has to be better at recovering to shooters, and has to find a way to get stops inside without committing three people. They need to look at taking more charges. They stink at it. They’re never going to be a shotblocking force (Dwyane Wade be damned), but learning how to take charges and stop drives could at least help them around the rim a bit. Of course, you have to be back on defense to take charges.
The Cavs also stink at smart fouls. It’s not that they regularly take dumb fouls. I mean they won tonight because the Bucks took an inordinate amount of dumb fouls. But the Cavs don’t take fouls to stop breaks or layups. They just don’t. I couldn’t tell you why.
Biggest ugh? I didn’t start Giannis in my fantasy league. I was just too busy to set my lineups this week. In the words of an infamous commenter, I suck. It probably lost me my matchup this week. Who wants to take over my team?
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Cleveland takes on the Rockets Thursday, and I expect them to show well (though Harden will score 1000), but take the Mavs and the points for Saturday’s game in Dallas.
Who would I want for the Brooklyn pick? Anthony Davis or C. J. McCollum. And that’s a maybe on CJ. No on boogie. Otherwise, the Zinger. But there’s no one I’d want who’s gettable. Maybe as we get toward the deadline something will go sour somewhere. But I doubt it. If that pick is in the top four, the it’s gold. This is the best top four since 2003.
I am hugely skeptical of that. I don’t think we can know until we actually see how some of these guys do against real competition in real games where defense is more than a wave.
But as far as the pick I am with you on those guys but we aren’t getting them so we might as well keep it and hope for the best.
You can never predict the future, but this looks like a great year to have a top pick. I am with Nate on this one.
I am not denying that. However I don’t see any of these guys as being automatic top 10 Superstar players at this point from what I have seen. That could change depending on what they do in college. Doncic looks good.
Top four guys what have gone number one in 2017
Sure but either in this year’s or last year’s class there isn’t a guy yet who I have watched that looks like he had the potential of a Simmons, Embiid, Davis, or Towns yet. That could change. Too early. None of them have played any worthwhile competition except Doncic in games where they weren’t playing against boys or where defense was anything more than a matador’s cape. The guys I mentioned when I watched them at the start of their freshman year looked like guys who would be great immediately. Embiid looked like in college what he has become when… Read more »
Wake me up at the deadline when we either (1) hold onto the Brooklyn pick because we are .500, at best, and nobody believes we can win it all; or (2) trade the Brooklyn pick for a piece to make another run this year. As much as I have loved the last 3 years in terms of making it to the Finals, this team has sucked the joy out of following the Cavs because of the lack of effort for the past 2 years. If LeBron does leave in the offseason, I’m actually excited about the blow up/rebuild and actually… Read more »
Yes, the blowup/rebuild will be fun, but so will going to the finals every year until LeBron is 40.
Only if he stays!
I keep hearing all this trade the pick/keep the pick debate. For all those in to trade the pick, who are you getting? Who is the one player, that might be truly available, that you would trade the Brooklyn pick for to turn this whole thing around?
THE STAT
The Cavs have allowed 4.4 more points per 100 possessions than they did last season. That’s the biggest increase in the league.
THE CONTEXT
Through Wednesday’s games, the league average is *down 2.1 points per 100 possessions from last season. So, relative to the league average, the Cavs are 6.5 points per 100 possessions worse defensively. On average (over the last 10 seasons), the difference between the best defense and the worst defense in the league is 12 points allowed per 100 possessions. So 6.5 is a big deal.
https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/928679241868247040
The worst part is I don’t see our defense being average this year, even if we improve. We have no defensive stoppers on the roster and a bunch of old guys.
I had to unfolllow Bill Simmons and The Ringer, as it’s becoming too much of a Boston sports talk/Trolling Media outlet.
In the words of Charles Barkley, “He’s tuuurible.” Dude has been a joke for years now in my opinion.
Agreed. I was a fan 10 years ago, but now he’s a joke. Same old stale jokes/references and very little insight.
Rich, celebrity mingling Bill is a real bore. He has as little self awareness as the vapid celebrities/ athletes he used to mock.
It’s a good thing we signed Calderon. #SummerOfCorby
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/928657417688244224
The incessant hating on the Calderon signing is absurd. What did it cost us? Nothing? Some dollars? Who cares?
It cost us a spot for another serviceable PG. Or, you know, Richard Jefferson who was invaluable to team moral. If you weren’t going to play Calderon more than 2 minutes every 5 games it wasn’t worth trading RJ as opposed to cutting Calderon. To think that Calderon’s signing has any value at all to this team is naive and woefully ignorant of how he’s actually played and what he’s capable of bringing to the table at this point in his career. Nobody is saying that Calderon wasn’t a great backup in his prime. That time is not only in… Read more »
Thanks. Perfectly stated.
Yes. Calderon cost them tons in terms of roster flexibility
Lol. So Jefferson was so “invaluable” to the team that LeBron James was fine with him being shipped out? Come on, man. Jefferson was a fun personality, but the guy is hardly “invaluable” to anything the Cavs do. Also, what other serviceable PG would we have signed instead? Because there were tens of serviceable PGs available, right? And oh NO what will be possibly do without our ROSTER FLEXIBILITY?! What amazing player were/are we prevented from rostering because of Calderon? I’m sure that if there is a trade on the table to improve our team, Calderon would never, ever, ever,… Read more »
There is certainly value in boosting team moral as you can see the on court product has not been pretty. This often results because of a lack of effort as well as an inability to gel. These are both things that could have been improved with RJ on the team still. There were also other serviceable PGs still available at the time of Calderon’s signing. Not that we needed to sign the PG position anyhow since our backup PG duties have fallen to DWade and now Shump. Neither one of those guys are a PG. We could have used the… Read more »
You are totally reaching here. They can cut him tomorrow and sign someone else. It is no big deal.
How have so many commenters’s lives come to revolve around nothing but insulting Kobe (or Griffin in this case)? Why don’t you tell us what you would have done in the same situation?
Raoul, we write and comment for a Cavs blog.We aren’t insulting anyone. We are criticizing their decisions which is well within our rights to do as fans. Also, it is insulting to insinuate that our lives revolve around anything the Cavs do as each and every one of us has a significant life outside of this blog. If you don’t like our take, move on or add something productive to the conversation. As for PGs, there were others available at the time of our Calderon signing. Regardless of PGs available, there was no reason to sign the ancient as our… Read more »
The front office had an awful offseason. You can choose to believe it was all butter and light if you like. I have no idea why some people make it their life’s work to defend the front office/ ownership of a professional sports franchise.
Bottom line, he doesn’t play, and it cost the Cavs RJ and 2 second round picks. If not RJ, then a guard who can actually play.
Why did it cost us 2 second round picks? I’d argue that if we didn’t sign Calderon to the VET MIN, we would have signed someone else to the vet min.
Regardless, trading RJ saved us $10M in luxury tax. For a guy that would have been the third string SF on this team, I see the trade happening regardless..
My point being, we would have traded RJ regardless.
I don’t know about that. If we had the roster spot, who knows. We kept JFJ on the roster for that exact reason despite never playing.
They had to ship out 2 seconds to trade Felder and RJ to the Hawks.
Setting records:
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/928653408982233088
https://twitter.com/Carter_Shade/status/928334473510506496
Get the Cavs players some Ritalin:
https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/928475521054396417
This Cavs team is even less fun to watch than last year’s Cavs team…
Griffin Interview: https://www.fearthesword.com/2017/11/8/16624726/david-griffin-kyrie-irving-lebron-james-interview
I really like Griff. I think he and Kyrie both hit a limitation within the organization, obviously in very different ways, that inevitably caused their move. However, both were tremendous for the Cavs.
Comic Sans Dan wanted to make Griff more of a puppet and he low balled Griffin. I’m not sure if CSD is self aware enough to know that Griffin would have scoffed as his offer, as he did. Had Griffin been resigned I think the Kyrie situation would have been handled differently. Heck, he may still be on this team.
Or CSD realized that our team is 100% capped to the max and there was no way we could drastically improve the roster, and after paying ungodly amounts of money in luxury tax every single year, and this year as well, he decided it was a bad decision to pay a GM/President (whose position would be run with hands tied behind the back, guaranteed) a bunch of money.
Great to see the Celtics playing well now. Will make the hammer dropped on them in the playoffs even funnier. Assuming LeBron is healthy
yeah will be interesting to see how the cavs perform after the competitive bucks game or are we going to fall back into the previous cavs team—-have to admit that 1 dribble sequence / highlight of ky “me ” was impressive—-but still believe celts / ky are performing on ” adrenaline right now / prove doubters wrong/ don’t think it is sustainable for an entire season —-go cavs !!!——–hope we see the shump from the bucks game —this is his chance to earn / keep starting position
I think this run has been a bit of Fool’s Gold for the Celtics. First, their only back to back games were the first and second games of the season. None of the ten games since have been second nights of a back to back. The Cavs, by comparison, have had three back to backs to the Celtics one. They have three notable wins against the Bucks, Spurs, and Thunder. The Bucks, like the Cavs have dropped games early that they shouldn’t have but overall, Milwaukee is a decent team so I’ll give them that win. The Spurs were not… Read more »
I think the Celtics are a team full of young players out to prove themselves and will give 100% effort during the regular season. I would be absolutely shocked if we ended up with a better record than Boston.
The Cavs are a veteran team that doesn’t really care much about the regular season. That starts with LeBron who, in season 15, simply has no reason to kill himself in the regular season.
You are right about them being hungry. But they are too thin to sustain any injury to an important player. If Kyrie or Horford goes down for any length of time then they are cooked. I don’t expect the Cavs to finish ahead of them necessarily though I wouldn’t be surprised. But it depends entirely on the Cavs in my mind and has nothing to do with the Celtics who I think will certainly level out and finish about 500 by seasons end.
Those are big ifs. If Lebron goes down we will lose every game he is out. They won’t lose a ton unless they have an injury. Even then, their defense is too good. Even if their defense slips against better teams, they are still going to be great on that end. Those young guys around Kyrie along with Horford and Smart have been incredible with team defense this year. That alone can carry them to some extent. If you can play lockdown defense, you can be competitive in basically every game. I don’t see them finishing less than 3rd this… Read more »
Meh, maybe they’ll prove me wrong. I just don’t see them as being a top 3 team when all is said and done.
I admit I thought they would be around 500 after Hayward went down, but I hadn’t anticipated them being this good defensively. That really took me for surprise and made me reevaluate their chances of being a high seed.
You really think the Celtics are going to be a .500 team in the East? That’s surprising to me.
I hope tonight isn’t a bloodbath…
They’re saving it for XMas and MLK
Sure seems like those are their preferred days to get stomped on…
If the Cavs refuse to defend the three, and they haven’t done it all season, hard to imagine it won’t be.
I’d be willing to entertain the Giannis conversation if he didn’t get away with traveling on every single spin move. And not 3 steps. Like four or five. Every time.
Benefits of those long strides. People have seen him take two steps to get from the three point line on the break and think he never travels at all because of it. He gets away with a lot in the post or when there is contact, sometimes blatantly. Counted about 4 blatantly obvious ones last game against the cavs. However, the most blatant travel last game was wade’s where he looked like he took four slow steps with the ball on the perimeter which were so obvious it made me laugh out loud for like 20 seconds. Almost looked like… Read more »
LeBron has benefited from the same stuff in his career. He travels constantly. That’s just how the NBA is.
I’ll give you that Bron gets away with lot. But it’s more on the gather and the jump stop. (though he leaves his pivot on every spin move up and under). Those are a lot harder to see. Giannis and his spins could be reffed by an elementary kid.
Rose out with ‘ankle injury’ vs Rockets, Shumpert will start in his place. Shump ain’t good, but he doesn’t poison everyone else’s net rating like Rose does…
Shump “seems” better with the starters because he doesn’t try to do as much.
Rarely happier to mute the tv than during the Kyrie postgame interview…
I was listening, I wished Doris Burke’s asked Kyrie if the Celtics could have blown away the Lakers early if he didn’t shoot 7-21 from the field and may be get Jason Tatum, who only had 2 shots, more attempts.
Kyrie…19 points on 20 shots with 3 assists. I suppose the data backs up his defensive effort but the narrative is not backed by truth on offense. I predict Boston ends up in a battle for 4/5 seed
Bill Simmons is a fan now…can’t wait till he has Kyrie on his pod…two idiots jawing at each other…
4 or 5 seed? Why? They have a ton of talent and a great coach. There is good reason to believe they can easily finish ahead of Cleveland, Milwaukee, Toronto, and Washington during the regular season. They are young and are going to give 100% effort all season.
Hilarious how Ball isn’t even close to the best Laker rookie…all the press, and not much of the game…
Yeah, but boy, did I cheer for him when he chase-blocked Kyrie!
I’d be curious how Kyrie’s legs hold up in homestretch and in the play-offs. I saw him run back hard in transition,something he seldom did even in the play-offs. Nobody’s better , more exciting at 1 on 5 than Kyrie, then you see the stats, Kyrie only has 12 points on 12 shots with only 2 assists.
He is trying on defense, and apparently Boston actually has a better defensively with him on the floor according to Chris Forsberg. Never thought I would see the day, but clearly he is trying to prove his doubters wrong. I am skeptical he can keep this up through the whole season though, especially at the rate he is causing turnovers.
I hope Kyrie keeps hearing those oohs and aahs with his dribble, dribble, dribble against phalanx of defenders all season long. That will coax him even more and drain his legs.
Sad that Kyrie is becoming the player I hoped he would in Boston.
wow celts putting a spanking on the lakers—10 in a row for celts—–just can.t see LeBron having any interest in the lakers
Celtics prolly looking good to Lebron now…he could join his bud Kyrie…almost be worth it to see Kyrie’s reaction…
I don’t want to even consider that, but that would be about the most hilarious offseason move in history.
Good cap Nate! It was good to see almost four quarters of effort from the guys last night…
Mood…
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https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/928325397720297472
That was just awesome. The Alphabet was clearly moved.
I could see the rumors now: The Greek Freak is signing with Cleveland.
Great idea! Let’s all start singing for him at all Cleveland events! If the Browns ever win a game, everyone can breakout singing in Greek.
Made my day. Good on security for helping facilitate it.
More international NBA: Delly has a cameo 8 seconds in.
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/lebron-james-exclusive-interview/
We’re happy with Shump because he, for the most part, stayed in the parameters of his abilities. He made all his shots, two bank shots, one was surely luck, the other questionable. If DRose can do the same and stay inside himself, he can be an offensive spark off the bench. Until IT recovers we’re probably stuck with DRose starting. He’s a defensive liability, low IQ player, but he appears to hustle. Looking forward to the new year and a new team with IT and his motor.
question to throw out there —who would you take right now —–davis ” the brow or ” the greek freak “—-I am starting to lean towards the ” greek freak “
Greek Freak
Giannis for sure. Anthony is good, really good, but Giannis could be the next MJ/LeBron.
highly unlikely. Don’t even think he’ll be the next Durant.
Probably not, but Durant is a very different type of player: fairly big and athletic with world class shooting.
He’s only 22 and at a point in his career where he can become unstoppable if he can add a 3pt shot. Another thing Americans don’t consider is the time it takes immigrants to get accustomed to living in the United States and how it stops us from being ourselves. As an 18yo kid, to go from playing in Europe, to becoming an NBA player, a millionaire, to then face your basketball heroes, all while moving/living to a new country, I can’t even imagine how difficult the transition has been. Sh!t, I’ve been living in the United States for 23yrs… Read more »
Greek Freak. He is having an historic season efficiency wise and based on true shooting for a thirty point scorer. As of now, I think his true shooting would be the second highest for any thirty point scorer in history behind Curry’s 2015-2016. He also has way less help, fewer scoring threats, and an doesn’t have offensive system that was like a konami code for wide open shots like Curry had that year. He also is only 22 which is terrifying.
Davis. He’s shooting 41% from three and has a more complete game.
Giannis averages five assists and can play/guard any position. He probably could average more assists if they didn’t need him to score so much. Davis, can’t and won’t ever be able to play point or lockdown points on the perimeter.
Cant lock points? C’mon man.
You think Davis could guard an Irving, Westbrook, Curry, or Wall for a whole game? I don’t think he has the lateral mobility. Pretty certain Giannis does. Maybe in spots Davis could, but Giannis has the mobility to actually be put on a guard as his primary assignment. I don’t think Davis does.
Giannis is physically in LeBron’s class, without the world class skills and knowledge. Nothing could be better for him than to play with LeBron and learn from the master.
Yeah. No doubt. However, I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
Greek Freak in a heartbeat. He is getting vastly better each year and is surely headed for superstar statue. Davis has slowly approached the superstar level, and his team never wins much.
Yet the Brows’s team is currently over .500 and the Freak’s is not.
Brows team has another guy averaging 28 ppg. I know you hate Cousins game but, it is pretty convenient and unrealistic to dismiss that. Pelicans are not close to 500 without Cousins. No way.
Not dismissing it at all. They’re playing some really good basketball. But Davis’ shooting ability makes it work. Giannis doesn’t have it (yet… Maybe)
Davis could put up Giannis numbers (he isn’t as fast, I’ll admit) if he was the bulk of the offense. But he’s not.
In a vacuum, (injuries aside) I’ll take an otherworldly seven-foot defender who can score from anywhere over Giannis. But it’s close.
Fair points. Davis would certainly fit the cavs better, not that we could ever put together a package strong enough to get him. I do wonder if New Orleans slips a little if Cousins gets moved by the deadline. Davis is locked up for forever, so I doubt he is out of New Orleans anytime soon unless things go really bad and demands a trade, but considering he has like 4 years left, I doubt NO capitulates.
But Giannis doesn’t even know how to shoot yet. He may never, but people tend to learn to shoot outside as they get older. Remember the 7 – 6 African guy that almost played for CSU and had a long career in the NBA, mostly with 76ers(?)? He had no usual offensive BB skills, but at the end of his career they would put him way up top and if the clock wound down, they would whip it out to him to fire a three. He started making quite a few of them.
I don’t remember specifically, unless you are talking about Manute Bol who played for the sixers? I suspect Giannis will be fine in the shooting department. He doesn’t seem to have awful or unfixable mechanics to my eyes and Kidd basically told him to focus on getting better in the post this summer instead of focusing on his outside shot and he has dominated because of it. Really he couldn’t be much more efficient than he already is, as I am pretty certain Curry is the only guy who had a higher true shooting while scoring 30+ in the history… Read more »
it’s how LeBron was from 2005-2007. Just completely unstoppable unless the entire team was hell bent on keeping him out of the paint. And really, only the Spurs were able to keep his TS% down. The Celtics and Pistons really didn’t do it
Yep I made that comparison awhile back. Totally reminds of LBj and the Cavs during those years. I do think it was more difficult to score inside back then and if you took LeBron from back then he might have put up similar numbers today. Goes back to nerfing bigs in the last six years.
Manute Bol? 7’7
Greek Freak, not even a question.
I don’t think you could go wrong either way. Davis is a better shooter, but has had health issues in the past. Giannis is just an athletic freak and he’s a couple years younger than Davis. Davis may be better today, but I think I’d rather build with Giannis.
Greek Freak. Davis has struggled to stay healthy and for all the wordy talent hasn’t figured how to win.
By talent alone Davis but more likely Greek Freak will have better career.
I’d go with the Greek Freak. Crazy to me how much the NBA has nerfed big men and players in general that don’t start with the ball in their hands.
Also, Giannis is pretty crazy. He’s making a believer out of me that he could become the best player in the NBA – but Durant’s comment is still ridiculous.
What did Durant say? And I definitely think he will be within the next few years. If he gets a three point shot….it won’t be a contest.
said he might be the greatest of all time
Wow! That is crazy talk at this point. He has a long long ways to go before he is even in the conversation for top 50, let alone that. I am guessing that was meant as more a dig at LBJ. As if to say, “hey you are already being supplanted and this kid is taking your throne right now.”
Still crazy talk, but probably a more subtle cut than saying hey Curry and I are better than you, which obviously would be viewed in the context of their rivalry and probably widely dismissed as biased.
ok I am going “small ” to please all—–was thinking the same on drose —he needs to understand his –mvp days —are behind him —we don’t need those stats anymore / nor do we need his forced play and t.o. ‘s —so yes hoping LeBron can use his ” LeBron whispering magic / aka: swish “—and turn rose into an asset here—-and I agree ” no to Monroe “—let’s develop our young players “zz” / cedi —–what are the vegas numbers for cavs /rockets game tomorrow —-might be a difficult one to wager on
Hey!
Thanks Nomad. Definitely easier to read on my cell.
Yes. I had thought he was an old time FORTRAN programmer.
I like this – much more readable!
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
I’d trade Rose for fake Klay Thompson
No way…Klay can’t dribble…
I’m hoping that with Rose finally having players like LeBron and Wade around, that he’s able to take positive criticism and apply it to his game. In Chicago he was the alpha male, so he didn’t get called out for his stupid iso play. In New York I could see a riff between him and Melo because they were both trying to do the same thing and butted heads. So “Why pass the ball to Melo so he can chuck an 18 footer, when I can attack the basket?”, type of mindset. Here with LeBron and Wade, I hope he’s… Read more »
Hopefully Corby dodges this bullet:
https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/928307024328380417
Corby should call Sachi and get training on sabotaging trades.
I don’t know if Sachi sabotages the trade or not, but he should have. That was a very bad trade for the Browns. Reflects poorly on Hue that he wanted to vastly overpay for his old pal.
If he trades Rose for Okafor, I’ll give Corby due credit…
TY STILL NEEDS TO FIND MINUTES FOR CEDI / ANTE —–ONLY WAY THEY ARE GOING TO DEVELOP—NOW IS THE TIME
ANOTHER KJG IDEA—–GREG MONROE BUYOUT —YES / NO
Hell to the NO!
No. We got Zz who needs minutes.
WHERE IS KILLERSHRIMP WHEN WE NEED HIM—–“IF ” WE KNEW SHUMP WOULD CONSISTENTLY BE THE SHUMP WE SAW LAST NIGHT WOULD YOU CONSIDER STARTING HIM OVER ROSE ———DROSE —LOOK TO SCORE IN TRANSITION—-LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES IN HALF CT WHEN THERE IS AN OPEN LANE TO THE BASKET—–CUT WITHOUT THE BALL—USE YOUR ATHLETICISM TO PLAY TOUGH ‘D”—–DO NOT JUMP IN AIR TO PASS—-WORK ON YOUR CORNER “3 ” ONLY ———–DEEP FRYE DESERVES MORE MINUTES— AT LEAST 5-7 A NIGHT – IN THAT SPAN HE IS CAPABLE OF SCORING 5- 9 PTS —PLAY ADEQUATE DEFENSE / GRAB SOME REBOUNDS ——–STILL SAY WE… Read more »
Nomad it honestly hurts my brain to read your posts in caps and I skip them. Friendly feedback :)
https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/928301307059949568
I think I’d rather have Calderon starting at this point, and that doesn’t make me comfortable at all.
The only left to do is to cut or trade Rose to a tanker. #WinterofCorby
The Knick are winning too much….I bet they’d love to have a package centered around Rose for Porzingis…imagine Rose in NYC, it’d be spectacular!
I can see clearly now:
https://twitter.com/MZavagno11/status/928290182268440578
https://twitter.com/MZavagno11/status/928290692052537344
Barf!
https://twitter.com/MZavagno11/status/928293178859491331
Yep. Rose is who he is at this point. The one thing Lue can control is his USG%. I hope that continues to go down.
Interesting stats on Rose, puts things in perspective. We need IT healthy, until then we’re going to struggle without monster efforts from LBJ and Love. I hate saying it, but we’re missing Kyrie (ugh)
I was not impressed when, at least twice, Rose drove then got caught in the air and tried to pass out of it at the last second, ending in a turnover. How long has he been in this league? He should know better than that.
https://twitter.com/OfficialNBARefs/status/928038875653722112
This was funny :)
Maybe I shouldn’t watch. Missed this one & they played pretty well. Great to see Love & JR have good nights. Especially the way Love scored.
Lue not playing Frye or Zizic with TT out is criminal.
It was a fun game.
Agree with Nate.
Agree. Lue should definitely give Frye some rotation minutes. He’s one of the few that can actually stretch the floor.
Agree. One Jason is sufficient.
There can be only one
CAVS STILL MAKING THAT ADJUSTMENT FROM 3 PT SHOOTING TEAM TO LOW POST / PUNISHING TEAM—–SHUMP JUST HIT “REWIND ” FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON AND WE WILL LEARN TO LOVE YOU AGAIN—–ROSE DO THE SAME AS SHUMP—-KNOW YOUR ROLE / KNOW YOUR STRENGTHS—LIMITATIONS —-AND NO MORE 5TH GRADE CYO ” JUMP IN THE AIR PASSES ——WELCOME BACK SWISH —HOPE IT CONTINUES —–MIGHT HAVE BEEN KLOVE’S BEST GAME AS A CAV —-NEED TO SEE HIM GET TOUCHES EVERY GAME —–GREEK FREAK IS NOW ON “STAR STATUS PLATEAU ” AND THE CALLS WILL BENIFIT HIM —THINK A HEALTHY T.T. IMPROVES… Read more »
Offense doesn’t seem to be an issue with this team….defense is shaky at best, but I think when playoffs roll around and pace slows down it will favor the Cavs….even in some brutal losses team is still dropping 115-120 points a game, if they had even average defense may be looking at 7-4 or 8-3 record right now. Good to see JR snap out of funk and Love was awesome tonight. Defnitiely agree with McLeod on Lebron’s ‘quiet 30’. Which is saying something, he dropped a 30-8-9 and it was ‘quiet’. Unreal how good he is. Giannis is gonna be… Read more »
Jordan scored 37ppg in 86-87 and 35ppg in 87-88.
oh okay little off in years but yah i could see giannis do that…he is already getting star calls from officials…thanks for the info
He is scoring 31 now on 60 percent shooting, so yeah I am going to say if he went full on Westbrook in terms of usage he could do that.
Fantastic effort by KLove, and great overall job not turning the ball over. Turnovers really fuel the Bucks offense, and protecting the ball really helps keep them from making runs.