Recap: Cavs 121, Hawks 114 (or, Hang Ten)
2017-12-01Nevermind that December weather, wherever you are. Just grab a surfboard and go hang ten, brah, ’cause that’s what the Cavs are up to: winners of 10 straight games, the team improved to 10-0 when Jae Crowder scores 10 or more points, and also found a way to play 10 players 10 or more minutes in a game without garbage time. Gnarly! Thursday night’s game at the bottom-feeding Atlanta Hawks’ home may have been a little tighter than expected, but the Wine & Gold found a way to get it done and match the franchise’s second longest winning since LeBron returned home.
The Game
The hosting Atlanta team was coming off of a blowout loss and five days of rest, and as expected, the young Hawks came out of the gate hot — trouble for them was, the Cavs came out even hotter. In the first quarter, both teams set out to a blistering pace that saw the Cavs score 42 and the Hawks 35 of their own. Both teams seemed to push every transition opportunity and score early in the shot clock.
Cleveland had a tough time keeping the Hawks’ guards out of the paint, but the Cavs continued to play aggressively on defense and used stops and turnovers to fuel an efficient attack. The ball movement was excellent as the Cavs netted 10 (there goes that number again) assists in the frame and shot 63% from the field, with LeBron James himself going 4-for-4.
.@KingJames 👑 with the Royal Flush! 😳 pic.twitter.com/47C8ds8see
— NBA TV (@NBATV) December 1, 2017
Nevertheless, Atlanta was undeterred and continued a high-octane attack fueled by the speedy Dennis Schroder. The Hawks pushed the fast pace into the second quarter as they were looking to wear out the older, less rested Cavaliers in a redux of the two teams’ previous meeting. Schroder seemed to march into the paint at will, using high screens from his teammates then turning on the jets. No Cav seemed able to stay in front of him. Schroder used dribble penetration to score three consecutive layups that stretched the Hawks’ lead as high as nine with just under two minutes in the half.
On the Cavs’ end, the team rushed shots throughout the quarter and went cold, going 2-for-8 from deep. Cleveland had poor communication on defense and lost Hawks players off of just one or two screens. It wasn’t until the final minute and a half that the game slowed down a bit. Three Kevin Love free throws and a J.R. Smith jumper brought the score to within a very manageable four points at halftime. Hawks 67, Cavs 63.
Tyronn Lue made an interesting decision to start the second half, rolling out a large lineup of LeBron, J.R., Jeff Green, Crowder, and Love. Love canned a triple on the first possession, Green then hit a pair of freebies to take the lead, and after LeBron hit a 26-foot three pointer the Hawks called a frustrated full timeout. Cleveland would not relinquish its lead the rest of the game.
The third quarter started off looking like the first in a back-and-forth shootout as both teams trades baskets without much separation. However, Lue’s strategy appeared to pay off: having LeBron play at the 1 meant the King was checking Schroder. After lighting the Cavs up, Schroder managed to get off only two field goal attempts, both outside the paint and the only make coming from 15 feet out.
The new mindset seemed to fuel the Cavs, as they were able to stretch their lead as high as 12. The Hawks tried to keep up their pace from the first half, but the Cavs were becoming more patient and playing smarter. Cleveland’s reserve crew was able to close out the quarter with a nine-point lead. Cavs 99, Hawks 90.
The bench lineup of Jose Calderon, Dwyane Wade, Kyle Korver, Cedi Osman, and Channing Frye started the final quarter and was able to maintain the lead until the starters began checking back in about halfway into the quarter. The Cavs were executing well, but several missed corner threes alongside a few fouls and turnovers on offense let the Hawks right back into the game. At one point, LeBron kicked the ball out three times in a row for corner threes and all three missed.
Atlanta brought the score within one on a couple free throws. During the stoppage in play, Coach Lue interestingly substituted Wade and Korver for Crowder and Green, respectively, to fill out the Cavs’ closing lineup alongside LeBron, J.R., and Love. The decision proved to be a sound one.
‘Bron would go on to drill a filthy faceup three pointer from 26 feet out to go up by two possessions with 1:48 remaining. On the ensuing Hawks possession, Wade picked DeAndre Bembry’s pocket and tapped the ball out to a racing James, and a little give-and-go action between the BFF’s resulted in a Wade floater to put the Cavs up six. Wade’s floater would prove to be the dagger as Cleveland iced the game with free throws. Cavs 121, Hawks 114.
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Final Thoughts
-Yes, this one was closer than Cavs fans would prefer. But even in a close game, Coach Lue found a way to play 10 guys in double digit minutes, with only three above 30 minutes and LeBron topping out at 38. The coach deserves his props. So, has Lue settled into his desires lineups? If that’s the case, even better times may lie ahead for Cleveland.
-The main story behind this game is that the Hawks, namely Dennis Schroder, were able to speed their way into the paint throughout the first half until the Cavs sniffed things out in the second. Cleveland doesn’t really have any guards who can stay in front of the speedsters of the league, and Atlanta, coming off of five days rest no less, was exploiting a weakness. The tone of the game shifted once LeBron James matched up on Schroder on the defensive end in the second half. James may not be as quick, but his size and smarts make him incredibly difficult to get past. What were once clear driving lanes for the Hawks in the first half turned into traps, steals, and behind-the-back blocks in the second. Dwyane Wade was instrumental on defense as well. Ten steals and blocks were accumulated by James and Wade alone. Including these two:
LeBLOCK! #AllForOne pic.twitter.com/NyoD9tklrB
— NBA (@NBA) December 1, 2017
LeBLOCK James (I) 👋⛔ pic.twitter.com/uREWZCxsZP
— Tercer Equipo NBA (@NBATercerEquipo) December 1, 2017
–Isaiah Thomas looks like he’s having so much fun over on the bench. That deserves its own shoutout. He will be a joy to have back.
-Last but not least, something many CtB’ers have been waiting for… Cedi Osman played 11 meaningful minutes in a real live NBA game! And he showed pretty well! The Jedi finished with five points on three shots, hitting his lone three-point attempt, grabbed four boards, and also recorded an assist and a steal. But, most of all, he looked like he belonged. Maybe he was just always cold blooded.
Quite the showing from @cediosman tonight. The rookie won't take an opportunity with the @cavs for granted: "I don't have a reason to be scared." pic.twitter.com/kxrHCaAP0q
— Bally Sports Cincinnati (@BallySportsCIN) December 1, 2017
Nice cap, Carson.
all we need now is win # 11 tonight
Hawks win. Hope they sweep the Nets in ATL. Hawks up to 5 wins. Mavs up to 6.
Hawks up 15 in Brooklyn with 4 minutes left.
Mavs hammered the injury riddled Clips, who should get Gallinari back next week.
More reasons: Noel is not that good a rebounder. And he is a RFA after this year. Will likely want more than we can offer: $$ or PT.
Doesn’t Noel have a CBA oddity in his contract situation where a team which trades for him this season wouldn’t be able to offer him nearly as large a contract as any other team in the league? I think Chris Manning went over this. If that’s the case, no one is going to trade for him.
true—would you make a straight up trade—-T.T. FOR NOEL ?
Hell no. For a bunch of reasons. 1) The salaries do not work. We would need $10 million more of players from Dallas. I do not want more guys. We struggle to play the guys we have. If Rose retires? Perhaps. 2) TT is team first. Noel seems me first. Without some inside info the TT’s situation is much worse than we know (Kardashian) or Noel’s is much better than it looks (head case who thinks he is a star & pouts when he doesn’t get big minutes). PT could be scarce here, we need a guy who will accept… Read more »
I don’t think the Mavs are in fold mode. Seth Curry is hurt. A couple rotayion guys (Finney-Smith). Noel busting hurts them. A Rick Carlisle team will never fold.
My pleasure.
Suns got to within 3 late at Boston but lost 111-106. Mavs crushing Clips at half with the Clips missing 80% of their starters. Hawks v Nets underway.
thanks again Jason –realize it is ‘extra ” work—much appreciated —-so it appears mavs are in “fold mold “—-still think we pursue Noel for a cheap price —a lot cheaper than D.J. would be /but still offer improved rim protection / plus younger and better chance to sign
A lot of the 8 wins & under club is in action tonight. Poor Bulls lost consecutive games by 1 pt.
3 = Bulls
4 = Hawks (at Nets)
5 = Mavs (Clippers)
7 = Kings (at Bucks), Grizz (at Cavs)
8 = Suns (at Bos), LAL (at Den), Nets ( Hawks), Hornets, Clippers (at Mavs).
9 = Magic, Thunder
Go Hawks. Sucks Collins got hurt vs us. They could use him vs the Nets.
Thanks. Another well formatted summary.
prayers out to J.R. and family —man he has had a very difficult year —we here at ctb send out our prayers / support
I agree. Is he out tonight for the service?
https://twitter.com/DubGolf25/status/936450661352378368
Except they called the foul against his younger self…
Scotch, I love your optimism & approach. That is my hope as well. However, I think if it was going to happen, it would have happened by now.
Maybe the prospect of being out of the rotation will shake him up.
He is still our best on ball defender vs quick guards (I don’t want LeBron doing it all game).
The more I think about it, the more I want us to keep Shump and have Lebron, James Posey, and Lue go to work on his brain. Iman Shumpert can still be a combo of Tony Allen and Bruce Bowen and Sean Elliot. He can cut and finish like Jae Crowder and Jeff Green and hit that corner three like Sean Elliot cuz he’s insanely athletic, but he can also lock in and defend and frustrate an opponent like Bowen and Allen.honestly…it’s High Time the cavs actually developed their talent rather than traded it.
He would have developed by this point in his career. I think this is who he is.
Guys I’ve got it figured. Shump needs to spend his off time getting told over and over and over about his strengths…and to be shown all his solid team defense plays from the past two seasons. And we need to add a shooter that plays d…let’s say…Kevin Durant. We need KD. That will fill the supposed holes we have in our lineups. No! We just need TT to come back willing to bang on the boards and willing to play weird, out of rhythm minutes. We can win a title with the current roster when IT comes back. Legitimately we… Read more »
“ZZ”—with 19 pts—9 bds -in 22 minutes / canton tonight –6/10 shooting —–would like to see ty try to get him 4-7 minutes / game —-but hey cavs have won 10 in a row so not going to harp on it too much——evil enjoyed how you very diplomatically wished a recovery ” genuflective —-for shump –still chuckling
Most coaches hate to not put guys back in when healthy. Hopefully six – eight weeks out will change the dynamic. My guess is that things will be humming with Cedi playing regularly, and Lue will only be able to put Shump in during blowouts or days off.
As soon as IT hits the floor, I am all for giving LBJ and DW regular days off.
Pistons down 17 to Wiz with 3 minutes left. Cavs would take over 1st in Central. Albeit by only a half game.
Would also be 2nd in the East. Raps also a half game back if they beat the Pacers.
FWIW, James is now averaging 28.0 ppg on 58.4% shooting. Last time a player went for 28+ ppg on 58%+ shooting? Shaq 1997-’98 (in 60 games, 28.3 ppg on 58.4%). Shaq did it for a full season in ’94-’95 and ’93/’94.
When is the last time someone went for 28 on 58% AND shot 40%+ from downtown? I only went back 30 years and couldn’t find one. Anyone? Bueller?
If you look at James’ efficiency vs. Harden’s and add in defense, it isn’t even close.
Step #1 towards my prediction about LeMVP…
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/12/01/cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-houston-rockets-james-harden-players-month#/
Harden tho… gonna be hard to argue if he keeps it up
I expect his numbers will diminish a bit now that CP3 is back… although I suppose the same could be said for LBJ once IT returns…
Actually IT could boost LBJ’s assist numbers
It will come down to team record. Unless you do something like Westbrook, as in something that has only been done one other time in the history of the nba, then MVP will always come down to best player on the team with the best or second best record in the NBA. Basically you now have to have a statistically historic season to win without having the best or second best record. And by historic I mean like something that we might not see again for 30-40 years or ever, e.g. Triple double by a guard that scores 30ppg in… Read more »
They’re not giving it to say Kyrie over LeBron if Boston has the best record… so that leaves Harden, Steph or Durant… and really just Harden since the other two kind of cancel each other out a bit…
I dunno. They gave it to Rose over Lebron despite Lebron’s superior stats and Rose had a PER basically identical to Irving’s so far this year. It really is about narrative to the press which comprise the majority of the vote. Irving leaves, unlocks his true potential, and leads Boston to best regular season record despite missing Hayward. A narrative all neatly wrapped up into a bow for a lot of sportswriters who only have a facile knowledge of the nba.
Disagree… Kyrie’s stats are about what they’ve always been…
here is hoping for a speedy recovery for shump
Here’s hoping for a lengthy and genuflective recovery for Shump…
“zz” getting some run with the charge tonight –( can watch by calling up canton charge )-
Folks, we are closing in on having all the big guns healthy for the first time. I am excited.
Hope Shump recovers & flashes that early season 3-stroke he showed last year with an added attention to detail on off the ball D.
Hope Rose returns & can find a way to contribute as well. Gonna need everyone to beat the Dubs.
Rose is probably done… and I hope Shump spends his downtime rehabbing not just his knee, but also refreshing himself on his limitations so he can be part of the solution instead of the problem when he returns…
I know there’s a lot of call for a big man/rim protector, but I just don’t see the logic in it… If such a thing existed as a taller 3 & D combo guard/wing who could handle the ball… that would be what the Cavs could use as a final piece…
Also, good recap Carson… good to see you back!
Rose can still be effective if surrounded with shooters & if the other team has weak interior D. I think he comes back.
Unless he is sulking about Wade taking his spot.
Rose’s assist/turnover was beyond pathetic. The best way he can help the Cavs is not to come back.
good point Jason – (drose / shump—minute eaters for dwade)- this is why I think drose returns — has that “needed feeling “
This is quickly becoming my favorite Cavs team of recent memory. Yes its a prisoner of the moment statement but i get more joy out of a solid Jeff Green cut than most of the things Kyrie did between quarters 1 and 3 for the last few years. Also LeBron with a jumpshot is a revelation. Do you guys ever think about how LeBron James just shouldn’t be good at shooting the basketball? Like he does so many other things so well that have nothing in common with shooting a basketball. When he can hit 3’s at 40%+ it just… Read more »
Most players get to be better jump shooters as they get older. LeBron is strong enough to shoot from anywhere, and we can anticipate more threes as the years go by (hopefully in wine and gold!).
Nuclear physicist is a stretch haha. Maybe how Jamie Foxx can sing perty good.
yeah maybe I shouldn’t bring it up so often ( don’t want to jinx him ) but yes PLEASE KEEP DWADE HEALTHY –ALL SEASON/ PLAYOFFS —–what are odds of drose returning now that shump is out for 2 months ———-also good luck to josh Gordon on his return to football —but more IMPORTANT —–PRAYERS WITH YOU ON A SOBER / FUNTIONAL / POSITIVE LIFE !!!!
Sure hope he can keep straight. He talks an awful lot.
Cavs would win the east in 15 games if playoffs started tomorrow. Really gonna be interesting to see Thomas and Thompson worked back in
And can we please get a healthy D Wade for the playoffs? Guy is the man, he will show up big in key moments
As much as many on here won’t like it, Shump/Rose would help save some tread on Wade. As will IT, of course.
We want our vets healthy AND rested.
all I can say is the bikini clad surfer makes my day —thank you !!!—–hell I got to go here comes the mrs nomad —later guys !!
haha
Perhaps my freaking out about team about a month ago was a little premature.
One thing that constantly needs explaining around here is that there is a difference between freaking out and being critical. For example, freaking out would be saying “The Cavs are horrible, can’t improve, won’t improve, will lose in the first round, and LeBron is leaving.” However, it is perfectly acceptable to say “The Cavs are playing horribly and without effort right now, their pieces aren’t fitting together, and if this keeps up they could face an early playoff exit, forcing LeBron to choose greener pastures next year.”
It’s a fair point, but there is also needless fretting about the Cavs/LeBron’s teams every year. And it’s always pointless. Cavs were always going to turn it around and be the clear favorite in the East. Then a clear underdog in the Finals. Unless LeBron gets hurt, then all of this goes up un flames
This is my personal favorite LeBron team ever. Not the best, but my favorite to watch and follow. Full disclosure, I’m a LeBron fan, not really a Cavs one. But I’ve liked watching this team grow, and I’m pumped for Thomas to join the fold
The problem with statements like your first is that it’s always true until it isn’t. At some point, a LeBron team just won’t turn it around. Sure, you can say that probably won’t happen while LeBron is still playing like he is. But at most, it’s still not a certainty. Nothing ever is. Not to mention I don’t care how big a fan you are, it stinks to watch basketball when the team isn’t even attempting to bring their best efforts to the court. That tends to make people focus on the negative aspects of the team.
Not bothered by how team is playing early, the first 1/8 of the regular season. What matters is how it is growing and coming together. Right now things are looking good.
Not sure they will not be the best. LeBron and Love might have their best years so far. A lot of other guys are playing better than ever, or than expected. Maybe JR and/or Cedi will finish really strong. That will be cool!
Was definitely glad to see Cedi get significant minutes. Praying Lue sees his value and gives him 10 minutes most nights to get him ready for 10 significant minutes in the playoffs.
Totally agree, but not too worried. Most successful coaches are way conservative about working in rookies.
As far as I’m concerned, the Cavs should be focusing on making Cedi the best 3-and-D wing in the league. I’d have him working every day with Korver on his shot and work his lateral quickness. Having a defensive stopper his size that doesn’t hurt the offense will go a LONG way against GS. The more guys we can throw at KD the better.
Great recap. Thanks for the Cedi clip. LeBron’s blocks are otherworldly. This is fun.
From Zach Lowe:
“The LeBron/Wade/Korver trio is plus-117 in 174 minutes, obliterating teams on both ends.”
The cavs are making the regular season pretty fun right now. Who would have expected that? Most fun in my opinion since the 2015 post all star break considering all the injuries. Effort is nice if it leads to James minutes getting cut down in wins, which it generally has during this streak.
Saw bits and pieces of this game, including last 4 minutes…guess defense was non existent for both teams, but nice to see balanced win from Cavs. Love is finally getting a nice string of great games together and Lebron doing whatever he wants. Also Dwade continuing to thrive off the bench. During this streak Cavs have won in variety of ways, including multiple blowouts, and we STILL haven’t seen them at full strength yet. I think thats most exciting part.