Recap: Cavs 105, Sixers 98 (or, Deep Sixed)
2017-12-10There were many potential factors working against a positive outcome for the Cavaliers as they took on the Sixers at the Q last night. Not only were they on the second night of a back to back (which hasn’t worked out well for the veterans who otherwise usually put the “win” in wine instead of the “old” in gold), but it was hard to even call it a second night since the team didn’t get home until nearly 4:30 am from their trip to Indiana. On top of that… it was a particularly tough loss to the Pacers which ended the Cavs’ record-tying 13 game winning streak, so it might be understandable if the team experienced a bit of a let down against a young and hungry Philly team.
They did get a bit of good news before the game when the Sixers announced that Joel Embiid would sit out to rest on the front end of their own back to back that continues in New Orleans tomorrow. Yet, that news was tempered by the late scratch of their own big man, Kevin Love, just prior to game time with a sore hip. One had to wonder (given his dearth of any sort of playing time this season) if Ante Zizic in the starting lineup was a virtual white flag move by Ty Lue. Coach claimed post game that he really just wanted to keep the second unit rotations preserved… yet the Big Z 2.0 experiment was pretty short-lived… and, probably just as well because the Cavs nearly got buried early.
Much like the night before against the Pacers, Cleveland dug themselves a sizable first quarter hole. Some of that had to do with the little used Zizic being asked to do his best Kevin Love imitation… but not really knowing where he should be on either end of the floor. While some of it also had to do with the Cavs playing sluggishly either from lack of sleep or lack of caring, and turning the ball over six times in the quarter alone. Regardless of the cause, the Cavs found themselves down 7-0, and then 13-3 before Jeff Green mercifully checked in for poor Ante. It got a little worse (18-7) before it got better, with Green, Dwayne Wade and Kyle Korver helped fuel a 16-6 run to pull the Cavs within a point to end the quarter down 24-23.
The Dinobot assault continued into the second, as Channing Frye and Cedi Osman joined the fray to help power a 15-2 run during the first five minutes of the period (that’s a 31-8 jag for those counting along at home). As they typically do, the second unit brought energy, enthusiasm and defensive hustle to the court to force the error-prone Sixers into some timely mistakes. What they did, more than the night before, however, was hit shots. Korver and Wade both had bounce back nights shooting the ball, and Cedi the Jedi even had the Force with him on this bank shot triple…
#TheFirstCedi bucket of the night. https://t.co/Oyyp0IvX7g
— Cleveland Cavaliers (@cavs) December 10, 2017
That was nice, but Osman’s defense was nicer, as he logged seven early minutes for a resting LeBron, snagging three boards and a steal, while forcing another turnover by drawing an offensive foul. He and Jeff Green really harassed the Sixers relentlessly during the run. Wade also had a Vintage block on Redick. But, just when it looked like LeBron would come in and shovel some dirt onto the Sixers, Ben Simmons started to get his passing game going. Behind Simmons, Dario Saric and newcomer Trevor Booker, Philly kept hitting the glass for second chance opportunities, and closed the gap to just one point with 95 seconds to go in the half. Fortunately, Jose Calderon nailed a three off an LBJ pass, and then found Jae Crowder on the next possession for a nifty alley oop to close the scoring with the Cavs up 52-46 at the half.
LeBron started to take over in the third quarter, scoring 12 of his game high 30 points on a series of drives and difficult finishes in traffic. He even caught this touchdown pass on a post route from JR Smith…
Nice little post pattern, fellas @KingJames @TheRealJRSmith https://t.co/I1Pt9Gpe5j
— Cleveland Cavaliers (@cavs) December 10, 2017
Yet, both JJ Redick (nine points in the quarter) and Robert Covington (eight points) started getting hot from distance for the Sixers, as the Cavs allowed the shooters to get in rhythm. Philly was able to keep the game in reach with their perimeter shooting, but by also turning the Cavs over seven times in the period (something they had cleaned up with zero in the second). The Sixers closed it to three on a Covington triple, but an uncontested Channing Frye drive sent the Cavs went into the fourth leading 78-73.
The final quarter started much as the last one had finished… with the Cavs making mistakes and Philly looking to deep six the Cavs from deep. The Sixers went with a game plan of picking on the rookie, as Cedi Osman got victimized first by Jerryd Bayless and then JJ Redick for anticipation calls on the perimeter. Those led to five made free throws, sandwiched around a bad pass from Cedi that led to a Covington three. After a Korver turnover led to a runout three for Redick, putting the Sixers up by three, Ty Lue subbed in Jae Crowder for Cedi. The weary legs seemed to be catching up with the Cavs, however, as they seemed content to jack up threes rather than drive inside on the Sixers. That is… until LeBron decided it was time to get serious…
The Cleveland Cavaliers finished their win over the Philadelphia 76ers on Saturday on a 22-12 run and LeBron James scored or assisted on all 22 of those points. According to Elias, that's the most points scored or assisted on for any player this season… https://t.co/m6PE1Fj4Yg
— Dave McMenamin (@mcten) December 10, 2017
LBJ forced the action on the offensive end, either taking it right at the Sixers, or making ridiculous bounce passes with english to hit shooters. And, on the defensive end, the Cavs collectively shut Philly’s water off… allowing only a pair of Richaun Holmes free throws over the final 4:41. With the run, the Cavs climbed out of a five point deficit, and were able to finish off the win with this much needed dagger from Jae Crowder…
BIG. TIME. BUCKET. https://t.co/dWneiBLd5k
— Cleveland Cavaliers (@cavs) December 10, 2017
The Evil
For the second straight game, the Cavs dug themselves a decent sized hole with the starters in the first half of the first quarter. This instance was a bit different, though, as the bulk of the disjointed nature was due to the Ante Zizic spot start. The team just seemed out of whack on both ends from the jump, with a rash of turnovers and minimal inside defensive presence.
Speaking of Zizic, the blame can’t all be laid at his size 15s… mainly because he rarely gets any sort of run off the bench from Ty Lue. So, really, how could he be expected to fit even semi-seamlessly into the offensive and defensive schemes? Brett Brown is a smart coach, and he had the Sixers going right at the big man in his spot start for most of his miserable five minutes of court time. Not to take Ante off the hook entirely, since you’d hope he’d acquit himself a little better than he did. But, despite not wanting to break up the mojo of the Dinobots, Lue and the Cavs probably would have been better served starting Channing, or Jeff Green (who eventually started the second half anyway).
Even without Joel Embiid, the Sixers out-rebounded the Cavs 39-33. Granted, the Cavs were without Kevin Love (and still without Tristan Thompson), yet they continue to give up easy second-chance opportunities to hustling bench players on opposing teams. Tonight’s culprit was new addition Trevor Booker, who had four offensive boards and eight overall in just 20 minutes. The Cleveland guards in particular have to do a better job of boxing guys out when most of the front line is out.
Two Sixers did most of the damage from deep (Covington and Redick combined to shoot 9-16 from downtown). The Cavs did a good job on them early, but lost track of them a bit in the third and allowed them to get hot enough to grab the lead back in the fourth.
The turnovers were pretty egregious on both sides (Cavs had 17 and the Sixers 19), but the Cavs combined theirs with three point settle shots in the late third/early fourth quarter, which almost cost them this game.
Robert Covington took a nasty spill near the end of the game while trying to save a ball from going out of bounds. He was down for a couple of minutes behind the Cavs’ bench and had to be helped off the floor. Hopefully, he did no significant damage.
The Genius
Another MVP performance from LeBron James. He notched the 58th triple double of his career (third this season) with 30 points, 13 boards and 13 assists, while adding three steals. The only blemishes on his performance were six turnovers and a surprisingly inefficient 9-23 shooting night (although he was 6-12 in the second half after going just 3-11 in the first). He continues to amaze as he finds ways to put this team on his back and will it to victory… even on nights when he has every right to be exhausted. I mean… I don’t know how he makes passes like this…
https://twitter.com/CLEsportsline/status/939695256894918657
Big night for the only Cav starter in the positive +/- … Jae Crowder. Though he only scored 12 points, he hit two huge three pointers late in the game… including the dagger above. You could almost see the 800 pound gorilla jump off of his back after he hit it. Crowder also corralled five boards, two steals, blocked a shot and was very good defensively (especially when Coach Lue turned to him in the fourth). Let’s hope this is a good sign that things are maybe turning around for him.
After a bit of an off-night in Indy, the bench was back stronger than ever against the Sixers. Wade (13 points, four assists), Green (13 points, six boards) and Korver (13 points on 4-8 from three) led the unit to a 48-27 advantage over the Sixers’ bench. Green in particular brought an energy and toughness, despite taking a hard fall after being undercut by Simmons, and being run into the stanchion by Bayless a bit later. Korver regained his deadly shooting and the gravity that goes with it. And, Wade made some terrific passes and back cuts… and had another vintage block…
NOPE. https://t.co/f6be0AyywG
— Cleveland Cavaliers (@cavs) December 10, 2017
While Cedi Osman’s fourth quarter minutes could have gone in the Evil section… his second quarter minutes were pretty great, and allowed LeBron to take a few extra minutes of rest. The only way he’ll learn from his rookie mistakes is if Ty keeps rewarding him with minutes.
I also spared JR from the Evil (even though I wish he’d take more shots, especially on a night when Kevin is out and LeBron can use all the firepower from the other starters he can get)… mainly because he passed Kobe Bryant for 12th on the all time made threes list… and he did it with a four point “banana in the tailpipe” play.
.@TheRealJRSmith just passed @KobeBryant (1,827 3FGM) for 12th all-time three-pointers made!#AllForOne https://t.co/XfIN4cdalj
— Cleveland Cavaliers (@cavs) December 10, 2017
Shout out also to Jose and Channing, who both contributed with veteran savvy when it was most needed. Jose helped keep the offense running later on, despite the issues early, and even hit two threes for good measure.
Parting Shot
Though an entertaining game, and an important one for the Cavs to gut out and win following the end of a long win streak, it’s tough to take too much from it given those MIA on both sides. Embiid provides a whole other dimension to this Sixers team, while Love does the same in a different way for the Cavs. Probably the most important thing that came out of it (other than the win), was the potential confidence-building benchmark it might wind up being for Jae Crowder.
Things get easier (three more home games with days off in between against the Hawks, Lakers and Jazz), before they get harder (back to back at Wizards, then at the Bucks), leading up to another Christmas Day showdown with the Warriors.
Let’s hope the Cavs can continue to deep six the competition with the potent mix of LeBron’s MVP caliber season, a dynamic bench, and a few presents coming under the tree…
GO CAVS!
No Wade tonight (sore knee).
love and t.t. both questionable for tonight —-start channing—bring “zz” off the bench
Hoping Zz shows some positivity.
would not trade love for George —especially looking at both of their contracts —-yes believe when T.T. returns it might be showcase time for potential trades
Definitely not. The only people you don’t trade are James, Love and IT. Everyone else is available for me.
Agreed. Trading Love for George doesn’t get us anywhere IMO. Love provides spacing, passing and rebounding that not many teams get from their PF/C. He’s an X-factor on a team that wants to beat GS this year. If you ship him out to bring in a wing, I’m not sure that moves the needle very much.
Would you guys trade Love for George? I don’t think I would.
Does that mean it has to be TT?
I would not. I would definitely trade some combo of Shump, Rose, TT, and the Brooklyn pick for George.
Me too. I would trade Shump and Rose.
Looks like math works with Shumpert, Osman, Zizic, and Rose. Throw in both nets and Cavs pick and OKC just might do it
Who said anything about Osman? He can play.
You can’t trade both picks. Just one or the other.
Also, if OKC trades PG, I don’t see it happening until at least the trade deadline.
The Cavs were getting outscored by 7.8 points per 100 possessions in TT’s 173 minutes (this season) and weren’t defending anyone.
According to David Zavac: Crowder he’s acknowledged his head spinning in the new offensive and defensive systems he finds himself in.
I’m hoping once he gets comfortable, that he can revert back to the plus 20 RPM player he was last year.
Just listened to Jason Lloyd on the radio, and he mentioned that he doesn’t think that Rose will get any more playing time, and probably won’t be on the team much longer.
I sure hope not. I don’t know if Lloyd has inside info, or is also just hoping not.
I think that’s his impression. He noted that the Cavs don’t have time for the issues surrounding Rose. You’re either all in or not.
was thinking the same —see how ty does with the rotations which have been somewhat challenging to him in the past —–do not forget about cedi again and not give him minutes / let him “rot ” on the bench
With TT back, we now have 10 proven guys + Cedi and only 9.5 spots in the rotation. Lue is going to have a challenge. TT is saying all the right things.
We are not trading the Nets pick for a PG13 rental. Nor should we. Our pick, diffetent story. OKC looking in disarray helps us some.
If Paul George is available for the Brooklyn pick then you absolutely have to make that trade. First of all, the Brooklyn pick is looking less and less likely to end up in the top 3. If that pick isn’t in the top 3, I think the likelihood that it jump starts any sort of “rebuild” decreases. PG13 on this team puts us on a level with Golden State. Even if LeBron and PG13 leave in free agency, if you can add another title to the rafters, you absolutely have to do it. We have arguably the greatest basketball player… Read more »
Completely agree with Gordon here.
+10000
+1
How is he doing with OKC? Why aren’t they an instant contender with the Dubs?
Anthony and Westbrook both want to dominate the ball and Donovan is not a good offensive coach, worse than Brooks. Think of a starting lineup of IT, JR/Crowder, George, Love, and LBJ. All of the shooting plus crazy defensive length minus IT. Maybe enough to cover for IT on d even. Bench bunch you still have Wade, Korver, Frye, Crowder, and either TT/Love or one of IT/George/LBJ. So many switchable defense lineups with Crowder, George, JR, and LBJ and Wade. And for all defense, Crowder, JR, LBJ, George, Wade. That is a lineup that could give GS serious problems defensively… Read more »
Actually I added wrong. Anyway. It would give the team a ton of flexibility in lineups, a great thing to have against gs.
What JOHN B said.
Thank you!!! Do people not realize what will happen once LeBron is gone? We are tanking – for years. Just like we did before. There is no, “Well we have the Brooklyn pick so if LeBron is gone, that will make up for it.”. Noooooooo!!! Trade anything you have in order to put the best available tall around LeBron before he goes to another team, or drops from being the most impactful player in the NBA. Stop worrying about post LeBron. It will be a sh!t show. Worry about this year and if he’s here next season, then that one… Read more »
agree get— BOTH — hill and koufos in that deal
Maybe get Paul George and save on the marquee “Paul George Hill”
ESPN’s draft stock – Top 10:
PLAYER POS TEAM AGE HEIGHT WINGSPAN
1. Luka Doncic PG Real Madrid 18.7 6-8 N/A
2. Deandre Ayton C Arizona 19.3 7-0 7-5
3. Marvin Bagley III PF/C Duke 18.7 6-11 7-0½
4. Mohamed Bamba C Texas 19.5 7-0 7-9
5. Michael Porter Jr. SF/PF Missouri 19.4 6-10 7-0
6. Collin Sexton PG Alabama 18.9 6-2 6-7
7. Miles Bridges SF/PF Michigan St 19.7 6-6 6-9
8. Jaren Jackson Jr. PF/C Michigan St 18.2 6-10 7-4
9. Robert Williams PF/C Texas A&M 20.1 6-9 7-5½
10. Kevin Knox SF/PF Kentucky 18.3 6-9 7-0
George Hill needs to come home, or to his second home (he just doesn’t know Cleveland is his second home). The Cavs draft pick, TT, Rose, and Shump should do it.
Plus Kosta Koufos could really come home (Canton) in that deal as well.
Mark December 14th on your calendar.
I’m increasingly very worried about our defense. We still have anyone other than LeBron we can use to just go shut a guy down when needed be it Dipo or Curry or whomever. We thought this was going to Crowder but it hasn’t panned out.
Warriors have Draymond, Iggy, and now apparently Jordan Bell and Durant.
Who’s going to take Kyrie on when we face the Celtics in the playoffs.
This could have been easily solved had we picked up Mbah a Moute or Tucker.
Now I’m worried we’re going to have to get Paul George.
There might be some GM jobs open.
thank you again Jason for your fine work and yes how in the hell did that guy fall into the dubs lap —rich just get richer …egad !!!
They value all picks. They think value can be had late first early second. We generally do not.
Don’t know why they wouldn’t think so. The problem is finding it.
Off Topic, check defense by this rookie.
https://twitter.com/DrewShiller/status/940445127092219904
Bulls probably could have used a guy like that more than 3 mill. They deserve all their failure. (glad they won last night, though)
Good night for the Nets pick: Bulls, Bees, & Clips all win. And they help the Cavs, beating Boston, Toronto, and heaping more misery on OKC.
Win totals:
6 = Hawks, Bulls
7 = Mavs
8 = Grizz, Kings
9 = Suns
10 = Nets, Lakers, Hornets, Clips
Suns & Kings face off tomorrow. Someone must win. Hawks at Cavs, Lakers at NY, Dallas hosts SA, Nets host Wiz. Hope Wall is back.
Bulls won by 23 (three in a row!). Charlotte up double digits with 2 minutes left. NO gave Houston a scare without Davis in Houston. Memphis is lost without Conley.
Do not want to jinx it, but….
Bulls up 15 on Cs after 3.
The night in the Nets’ Neighborhood (TNITNN):
Bos at Bulls. B2b for Cs. No Ky or Morris. Horford a ?. No Markkanen for Bulls.
Miami at Memphis
Charlotte at OKC
Toronto at Clippers. B2b for Raps.
LeBron WRT “The Aging Curve”:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21735830/kevin-pelton-lebron-james-breaking-aging-curve-nba
Good thing he ignores a lot of advice.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/940327899260911616
Tristan may turn into a solid trade piece very soon.
Lebron is MVP, but Cavs would probably have to win 60 games for him to get it.
They’ll have to be within one or two wins of the best record.
I tell ya, Moz don’t get no respect. This showed up at the bottom of an ESPN hoops page just now:
It’s still crazy to me how good he was in the 2015 Finals. Golden State had no answer for him and, had he not been called for a totally bogus travel with about 1:30 left in the game on a layup/dunk (I forget which), we would have won Game 1 in regulation and gone on to sweep that series IN MY OPINION.
But man did he turn into nothing in 2016 after the knee surgery.
Never heard of ESPN.
just saw were kyrie is out with an injury —never wishing any player bad luck but suspect of how durable kyrie is over the long haul ( especially when giving effort on defense now ) —we shall see
When Lue puts TT in Frye’s spot, those bench units will not be as effective.
Hopefully it will turn out the same as with Wade in starting unit, appease egos, a slow bend instead of a snap. Maybe TT will learn a 3 point shot???
https://twitter.com/JasonLloydNBA/status/940288017570451461
Indy is 16-11. NY is 13-13. OKC is 12-13. But Russ was MVP. What a joke. MVP voters are so dumb.
This year it is between Lebron and Harden, but to my mind, Lebron is clearly ahead. Kyrie getting MVP considerations too but the real reason for Celts winning is their team defense, Brad Stevens may be their MVP(something this forum disagreed with me in summer that Celts will still be good on defense even if they had 10 new players plus Tatum has a veteran game, not a deer in the headlights kind of rookie).
Yeah, they’ve been winning while dragging a safe on the offensive end in Marcus Smart. Smart has been one of the worst offensive players in the NBA this season.
The Celtics’ defense relies on plenty of tactics that would get another team into foul trouble quite easily. Baynes, Morris and Smart are just brutes who don’t get foul calls like Zaza and Dray. The league has labeled them as a “Defense” team, so now they get away with plenty of cheap shit.
Dipo goin dipo apparently.
He apparently was seriously muzzled in OKC. Going to the Pacers may be the best thing that could have happened to him.
Its LeBron and Harden, and then everyone else for the MVP. Impressive as heck.
https://twitter.com/NBA_Math/status/939892470510272512
Loved this game and this recap, EG!
“ALL IN “—FOR THE PARADE —JUST IN TIME FOR SOME EXPIRED GREAT LAKES CHRISTMAS ALES
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/939967938693656576?s=17
Lol Browns! They really do deserve a perfect season parade!
What a pass indeed!
Thanks for the recap. Not many nationally televised games of late. I depend on C:tB to keep me informed.
Browns gonna blow this game.
If Fultz can help Philly, lookout.
Good cap, EG. Agree on your Zizic comments. Hopefully Lue doesn’t just give up on him now. Remember the first game after Rose got hurt? Calderon started in a very inauspicious fashion and got yanked fast. “Way” Jose mostly rode the pine for quite awhile afterward until Shumpert got hurt, and Lue had to play Calderon significant minutes. And that has turned out quite well. Lue needs to call Zizic’s number again given the weak teams Cavs play the next two games.
“Way Jose” it is!
like I mentioned –didn’t see the game…….did “zz” struggle more on “O”—OR “D ” or equally both ends ——still think that is why ty has to try and find him some minutes ach game ( like he has recently done with cedi ) to further the development
This game might have shown some light at the end of the Crowder tunnel. He has some skills, but is far from a complete player. For guys like that, a system that maximizes their strengths and minimizes their weaknesses can make them productive players. Boston had such a system, and now the Cavs are figuring out how to effectively use him.
The ultra small end of game lineup — Crowder/Green/LeBron/Korver/Wade — might be a keeper.
I like that group too and despite not having a traditional center they all play BIG. Gritty defense (even Korver, his team defense IQ and hustle is effective ) , athletic and Green, DWade and LBJ can all create their own shots. Korver creates so much space and if Crowder can find his way he has shown that he can hurt you if you don’t respect him on the offensive end. Could be a killer playoff – finals lineup especially as the league gets smaller.
Agreed. They can switch anything.
Yes, which is something the Cavs have lacked in previous seasons. Switchy defenders is the only way you can guard a team like GS.
Action tonight in Mr Lottery’s Neighborhood: Kings host Toronto, Dallas heads to Minnesota, & the Hawks visit NY.
Detroit also hosts Boston.
No issue with resting Love. Have to keep him healthy. TT had a minor setback with some soreness, or it would have been perfect. Anyone think IT gets back before TT? Two weeks until GSW and I believe we want IT to have a couple under his belt before then. Could happen this week, methinks. Grizzlies threw one away last night vs OKC, but the other bottom teams played well. Booker played well for Philly, hopefully the Nets miss him. We will soon see how Okafor & Stauskas fit. Wins: 5 = Bulls (2 in a row!) 6 = Atlanta… Read more »
That memphis game was awful. Both teams tried to lose. Memphis tried harder. It reminded me what a pleasure it is to watch the Cavs most nights.
should also mention, Zicic is terrible and it would’ve been best to start Green/Frye as mentioned above. There were murmurs in crowd every time he got abused or the one shot he take had no chance of going in. Just wonder how ‘sore’ Loves hip was. Lue made a ‘Blatt move’ (like starting Mike Miller in ’14 playoffs) with the start of Zicic. I would say as long as Love is 80% healthy he needs to play even if 20 minutes.
Yo, Leo: This is not fantasy basketball, this is real human beings playing basketball. Love has had a lot of injuries throughout his career. All that matters is that he is healthy for the playoffs.
Agreed. No reason to play guys who aren’t healthy in meaningless back to backs in December. Trust the training staff.
attended this game (got early Xmas gift tickets)…very cool experience, last game I attended was 2012 when team sucked and was getting boat raced by like 20 points, so it was refreshing to not only watch a competent team but see a win as well. – few Sixers fans in my section, there was one couple next to my wife and I who were obnoxious and randomly yelling ‘Lebron sucks’, then when Crowder hit his 3, they bolted out of there in a hurry…douches – Lebron had the quietest triple double ever, I literally had to double take a look… Read more »
Glad you had fun. Right now Simmons literally cannot shoot. He was missing the rim on drives to the hoop that resulted in 4 footers. If/ when he gets a good shot, he will be unguardable. That may be a while, though…
didn’t see the game—-Christmas party —-hoping ty continues to find minutes for cedi AND “zz”—–this is the only way that they can grow and be of help later—-think Brooklyn lost and clippers won so that NETS pick got some help last night right Jason—sure you will get us an update —–evil good write up—stay safe out there with all those fires !!!