Live Thread: Cavs @ Spurs
2018-01-23The Cavs are in San Antonio to take on the Spurs. This game is pretty big for Cleveland considering they just had a team meeting filled with lots of drama and finger pointing at…….Kevin Love. Yea, the one that came to the Cavs, gave up shots, has played out of position, become a serviceable defender, averaged near a double-double, had his role jerked around whenever another teammate needed something to change, and actually seemed to give some effort most of the time during this horrendous season.
Tyronn Lue actually defended him. Lue’s comment was in response to the team attacking Love for playing just 3:08 during a loss to the Thunder, where the Cavs gave up 148 points without playing overtime:
“I mean, that’s crazy,” Lue said. “If Kevin was out there we might have given up 170. Who knows, man. We’ve got to be better, got to just stay together. We’re being tested right now. This is when your true character comes out and the character of who you are as a person and as a player. We’ve got to step up and play basketball (Joe Vardon, Cleveland.com).”
My take: Kevin was actually sick. Crazy, I know. What I wished happened though: Love told the team that he was important and they didn’t believe him, so he decided to fake sick, leave the stadium early, and watch the Cavs embarrass themselves. Or, Love had a rap feature he needed to do for an Iman Shumpert track and didn’t want it to be late. He was inspired and just had to rap, so he left the court. Those are absurd takes, but for this team they’re actually believable. This team has almost reached what some people call the Tyson Zone. That’s a zone where no matter how absurd the story is about a person or organization, it is pretty believable.
Now, let’s look at the Spurs. Gregg Popovich had a talk with Tony Parker recently about going to the bench. Tony Parker pretty much replied, “awesome, I’ll help the team and talk about wine with Manu, while I keep the bench warm for my protege, Dejounte Murray.” True story.
In fact, the Spurs have built such a strong culture that even when Adrian Wojnarowski reports that Kawhi Leonard is frustrated with the Spurs, most people think it’s a bogus story.
Some outlets have said this game actually means something for the Spurs since they’re 4-6 in their last ten, have changed starting guards, and had to shutdown their best player to rehab a hamstring that’s been bugging him since before the season. It doesn’t. Let’s look at some keys to the game and see why:
- The Spurs still have the second best defense in the league. The Cavs have the 29th ranked defense by .4 points per 100 possessions. They are 3-7 in their last ten. Cleveland needs to defend if they want a win. In the last ten games, the Spurs have given up 100 points just twice, the Cavs have given up 100 points nine times.
- The Spurs have had random players step up and fill voids. Players are playing above themselves and contributing. Guys with no names. The Cavs, on the other hand, do not. The Spurs aren’t supposed to be in third place considering their best player has only played nine games. No player of meaning has missed significant time for Cleveland. Everyone on the Spurs can beat you, and Cleveland needs to play that way.
- The Spurs work teams in the paint. LaMarcus Aldridge often gets the ball, attracts a double, then whips a pass before screening to help another teammate pop open. And, he gets his. He’s averaging 22.3 points to go with 8.9 boards a night. Kevin Love has a task tonight covering him, which he most likely will considering Pau Gasol is out for the Spurs tonight.
- And, that leads to Cleveland’s defensive schemes. They need to play the Spurs straight up. They are too smart to switch and trap against without being precise. If any Cleveland player ends up in no-man’s land on switches the Spurs will seek the open man out and make the team pay.
I’m not sure the Cavs will pull a win out tonight or even if their meeting to air grievances will mean anything. The team has been complaining all season. This game may just be one more step in their downward spiral. I hope not, but I’m picking the Spurs 124-102.
Nets won, but at least boston lost to the Lakers (though the lakers almost blew it before Marcus Smart took the last shot for an inexplicable reason)
Nets lost! A late basket by Russ.
Man, these inside the NBA guys are so awful. Terrible trade ideas for the Cavs
What are they spewing?
This is the only way I consider Love for Boogie:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8srg9b4
I think Boogie would be a disaster (which is why I want Ainge to trade for him)…I guess if you ship out enough terrible contracts, you do it…but I don’t think the Pels are trading him this season…
Yeah I’m not for the move.
I really doubt the ‘starting lineup change’ mentioned by Lue involves JR or IT…
Maybe they’ll put TT at C, and move Love back to PF.
I could see that…
I think Dan Gilbert plans to start at PG. He’s emulating John Du Pont.
But JR has been one of the worst starters in the NBA…it’s crazy he’s getting so many minutes…
Yeah it wouldn’t be my choice. I’d start Cedi or Korver.
If they trade Love for Boogie that will be the dumbest move ever. It’ll be like LeBron is playing for the dysfunctional Kings from a few years ago.
Boogie is the locker room presence this team needs…only Boogie can right this ship…
Boogie and former Cleveland Indian Milton Bradley.
I wish the Cavs would include IT with Shump in a deal for Hill, instead of Frye and Shump.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaq5jb4s
Sac probably doesn’t want IT. Like I said earlier. The guy is a vet min player. His offense is bad against smart schemes and he is one of the worst defensive players in NBA history.
It sounds like they’d work a buyout with Frye, so what’s the difference? IT is less money. And I don’t see why they couldn’t work a buyout with him too?!
What makes you think Frye gets bought out or that he would come back here to being benched?
That’s what the Windhorst article said. He couldn’t come back here because of the Z rules!
Well, I think it is done. And I think sacto wouldn’t take IT anyway.
I don’t think it matters to the Kings. I don’t think Comic Sans Dan wants to admit he made a mistake by trading for Peter Dinklage.
Just going off the rumors. Also, apparently Frye tweeeted, “how many teams do I have to get traded to.”
I will say Hill and koufos are probably not an upgrade over just simply playing Frye, cedi, and Calderon 15-18 minutes a game and benching IT (no minutes), TT (0-5 minutes), JR (5 minutes), and shump (5 minutes). This team needs another stretch big with Frye’s gravity to function. Otherwise they are trotting out 90s style lineups. LBJ needs four shooters in today’s game. The only thing that could make up for that is a motion/Princeton offense that starts all halfcourt sets with actual set actions, which will never happen on this team with their leadership (both player and coaching… Read more »
Hill would be an upgrade at the PG position. He’s better than the trash we have at that position.
Absolutely. I am all for that trade. It just won’t happen.
I don’t know if Sac wants IT or not, but he is a fan favorite there. Getting him is good for business. I do think IT has to go. (Somewhere) And if you’re getting Hill, you don’t need him.
I live near Sacramento. I wish the Kings wanted him, but I don’t think anyone cares. A quick search of the Sacramento Bee’s website got nothing recent about IT.
No one cares about the Kings because they are terrible and years away from competing, but I know a lot of their hardcore fans love IT. Whether their FO is interested in bringing him back I have no idea.
He’s an expiring contract. Buy him out.
Oops, meant this as a seperate post…but still, demoralizing…
Dan Gilbert has ruined this team. For three years he stfu and they delivered a ring. Then he decided he knew best and in less than one season the wheels are coming off. I actually want lbj to leave now. I want to see his last years not be wasted. I also want hom to say Gilbert is why he’s leaving because that would be hilarious. I hope he signs with the spurs next year. Love to see pop with him.
Get back on your meds. Did you hear the Cavs won the title a couple years ago?
At least you admit you’re living in the past. Meanwhile, in the present, the Cavs suck and Gilbert has played a huge role in it.
I never go off my meds. It makes me crazy. You wouldn’t like me when I’m crazy.
Haha.
Lebron is shooting 51/22/64 in January. Maybe he should take two weeks off.
My thoughts: 1) LeBron is sandbagging – it’s his way of making sure the FO does something; 2) IT and Rose need to be shelved; 3) TT should play 8 mins per game max; 4) Frye, Cedi, Calderon need to get back into the rotation – this was the 18-1 bench lineup; 5) I said that Lue sucks at the beginning of the year, and this is undeniable now. Basically I’m repeating all of you good people :)
Yeah pretty much. Unfortunately, according to Mike, it seems Frye is on his way out, not that Lue would do anything we have talked about anyway.
Legler dissecting the Cavs tonight: “Pathetic effort at the NBA level.”
Yup… no heart. Way to represent Cleveland.
I just changed the name of my Cavs roster on NBA2K to “The Comic Sans Dans”
Sounds like a missed another great game /s
Ty Lue is in trouble. He may have waited too long to make a change, if he even makes the correct one. Unfortunately the Cavs doctors did him no favors in that they may have let IT play before he should. Coupled with Lue stubbornly or perhaps being forced to play TT normal minutes along with shump, the situation may be beyond salvaging for him. The reasons being, he now basically can do one thing and one thing only to save his job and that is go back to playing the guys he was during the win streak and benching… Read more »
https://twitter.com/Professor1044/status/956003073436110849
And Jose didn’t say the Lakers trusted each other more either. IT’s poor play and big mouth have both been issues
The changes have to involve taking JR out of the starting lineup and maybe IT too
IT and TT cannot play at all I think. Frye needs to split all of Loves backup minutes with green. Shump, JR, and Rose need to play as little as possible with Korver, Cedi, and Wade taking more of their minutes.
John B have you read that Frye is probably gone in the Hill deal? Channing wasn’t even on the active roster tonight
Is that a done deal? Just heard it was talks.
Also it is unfortunate because we need a stretch big more than George hill. Unfortunately, Lue doesn’t play that guy. A stretch big opens the lane for the bench and when he plays with LBJ and 3 other shooters.
For some masochistic reason I watched this whole game and I don’t think there is any legitimate trade that makes this team a championship contender while Lue is still the head coach. To see the way Popovich trusts and embraces the young players on his team, and molds them into correlated pieces to his core of veterans is amazing. (As much as I hate to say it, Kerr does the same.) On the other hand we have cLueless with that ever present distant look on his face, jockeying a bunch of broken and tired workhorses into the ground while he… Read more »
I’m mad as hell… and I’m not going to take it anymore!
Team meeting was useless. It seems Love is on the trading block
I hop they dont trade KLove… he has been a workhorse. He had 10 rebounds today, TT had only 1.
Haven’t seen anywhere reliable that Love is being shopped
Just wait and see. Cavs are attempting to land a big time player. I SAY BIG TIME
What player? Cavs can’t get anyone for love, unless maybe Cousins? Talk about a player in the wrong era.
Get out…
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/956007364347523077
He damn well better. His job depends on it. Hopefully the ship hasn’t taken on too much water already.
Derrick Rose to start…can’t wait…
And more Shump LOL.
My predicted Lue lineup: Shump, Rose, Bron, Green, TT.
That would be gold.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qSYiAUwd4O8/VNfLYjyPEJI/AAAAAAAABu8/e0b2WD_Lf4E/s1600/bowie-changes-head.png
All time great song, in many dimensions.