Live Thread: Cavs @ Magic
2018-02-06The Cavs travel to Orlando to take on the 16-36 Magic. In what has become an all too common theme this season, the Wine & Gold are trying to bounce back from a huge loss. The Rockets lifted off to a 32 victory point on a nationally broadcast game against them Saturday night. There’s really not a whole lot to say about the team at this point.
The Magic aren’t good. The Cavs should, from a roster comparison stand point, easily beat Orlando. The Magic are young,can’t hold leads, and lack a true superstar. And, their best players are sitting this game out. Nikola Vucevic is out with a hand injury and Aaron Gordan is also out with a hamstring injury. Terrence Ross and Jonathan Isaac will miss the game too.
The Cavs will most likely be without Dwyane Wade who is dealing with an illness. Kevin Love is out too.
I usually do some keys to the game, but with how the Cavs have been playing it would boil down to me saying the Cavs actually need to show some effort in a bunch of different ways. Here’s some things I’ve been thinking about the team though:
1. I’m thankful Kevin Love got injured. No, hear me out. Obviously, it’s never good for a player to get injured. In this case though, his injury has saved the Cavs front office from being able to trade him or put his name in trade talks. Love has been supremely professional and involved this season. He might be the lone bright spot, outside of LeBron Jame when he’s engaged, of the starters. When Love comes back, at least he won’t have the idea in his head that the team doesn’t want him.
2.Tyronn Lue shook things up by moving Jae Crowder to the bench and moving Tristan Thompson into the starting lineup a few games ago. Now Love is out and Crowder is back to starting. Lue needs to shake things up again. Essentially, the bench and LeBron should start. So that would be: D. Wade, Kyle Korver, Jeff Green, Cedi Osman or Channing Frye, and LeBron starting. Of those six guys, LeBron is the only one who has blatantly shown no effort through long stretches this season. Of those six guys, LeBron is the only one with a negative net rating of .8. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt though and let him hang out with the real A-squad of the Cavs.
3.Now that it has been announced that Tyronn Lue’s job isn’t at risk, the only way forward for the Cavs is to make a trade in the coming days before the deadline passes.
Cleveland Cavaliers official on Ty Lue: "We are not firing our head coach." ESPN story: https://t.co/wntuLZWZmh
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) February 4, 2018
4. It’s painfully obvious through 51 games that Lue cannot fix this team through coaching. Usually after making a statement saying the Cavs must make a trade, I would actually suggest some players they should go after, but this time I’m not. I don’t care who they get or send away and neither should they. Sure, there are better players, mainly the bench guys, they shouldn’t get rid of, but the Cavs are trading to change their attitude. And, let’s be honest: it’s essentially a roll of the dice. Their attitude might not be fixable.
5. If you’re reading this, you’re a true Cavs fan. I’m sorry. I really am. After witnessing what they pulled Saturday, I don’t want to watch anything they do right now.
5. Lastly, take this fact in that Jason Lloyd of the Athletic pointed out in his Saturday coverage of the Rockets’ domination. Outside of the Cavs 18-1 streak during November and December the team is 12-19. That’s about the same win percentage as the Brooklyn Nets.
The Cavs will probably drop this game pretty bad. They have shown they play down to competition all season, and that has given them issues. LeBron isn’t playing well enough to bail them out if they do that tonight. Magic, 121-111.
We have 6 guys who are essentially worthless right now. Not counting LeBron, who looks to be pouting/tanking, or just sucks now as well. 5 of them play rotational minutes (IT, JR, TT, Crowder, Rose) + Shump. Crowder’s deal is reasonable, but he ain’t a PF. We did win some games with he & JR starting. We have had zero success with IT, Rose, or TT playing. Perhaps IT has an injury excuse. But it would be crazy to play him based on this performance. He is an expiring, so his contract & a team may be willing to roll… Read more »
https://twitter.com/Steve_R_Walker/status/961047260518895617?s=17
https://twitter.com/Steve_R_Walker/status/961081170128769026?s=17
If you assume that Lue has a clue, the only reason to play IT is the hope that he can play his way into shape and be a plus. Or maybe a longshot of including him in a trade. But that is really a long shot, and it is hard to see him be valuable in any circumstances. Now that he has shown himself to be a major a$$hole, I would cut him and go with the guys we have. They will be a threat to go to the ECF. Playing IT, they are a threat to win a mid… Read more »
The problem is that he showed himself to be that years ago, but we ignored it. This team can get better by making moves, but 1, DG isn’t going to make the moves, and 1, it likely won’t matter at all.
From Amico’s latest:
“8. Either way, Gilbert is said to be enraged. He’s not taking the team’s issues lightly. Just the opposite. The Cavs (30-22) have been the league’s biggest dumpster fire since Jan. 1, and it’s not even close.”
Okay, be enraged, then. You brought a load of it on yourself, Mr. genius GM. You’ll feel better when you give IT the max, and you can trot him out as your mascot. As I believe someone noted on this blog, Gilbert is like Napoeon in Time Bandits, getting great joy out of midgets hitting each other.
If he still has any faith in IT then the franchise is in trouble and will be for a very long time, because it truly and unequivocally means Gilbert has no idea what he is doing.
Take your meds.
Lol. Love the Time Bandits reference!
You mean being a GM is actually huh?!?!? ?????
Meant to say Being a GM is actually hard huh?!?!?
Pretty certain this will be the end of LBJ 2.0 unless something is done about Thomas. It may already be if James is pissed at Gilbert. Honestly though, I get the frustration from James over the acquisitions this summer. No one has any real idea about the failed trades over the summer or how close they were to getting Bledsoe, George, etc. However, he cannot blame Gilbert for IT unless the decision to play him is coming from him over Lue. If it is, then that will pretty much seal LBJ’s leaving. If not then he should be blaming Lue.… Read more »
Watching Paul George match up well against Kevin Durant is depressing.
Exactly. People trying to act like we didn’t completely screw up by getting him and Bledsoe for Irving were lying so hard to themselves it hurt to hear it. I suppose it’s good we’re at least not lying to ourselves anymore about it. Too late though. We had a winning lotto ticket nearly fall into our laps and DG wiped his but with it and flushed it.
Trade rumors are just that. It was rumored to be the case. I doubt they actually had that deal in place. But it must be true cause you know…sauces.
It’s more than sauces, and it’s more than one.
Yeah but we got IT!!!
Stop it Arch. Nearly started crying after this comment. Yes I am triggered.
Can’t Koby just waive IT?
Yes. But he’s an expiring deal that could bet a trade return.
Exactly. Or, if IT can get right before the end of the season, and with some renouncing & trades, perhaps we could S&T him if he rounds into shape later.
No one wants our trash. And we shouldn’t trade 1st round picks to try to salvage this dumpster fire no matter how much LeBron pouts.
Nets are 2 games from last (though 8th at the moment).
Indeed
https://twitter.com/tompestak/status/961087298485063681
Gonna have to screen-shot that for the rest of us…
Crazy
Thanks, Nate
I wish they would!
Zinger blew his acl…
https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/961087147800498178
Geez!!!!
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/961085584121978880
He’s more likely to see a hearse than a brinks.
Never underestimate a Gilbert!
https://twitter.com/CavsGregBR/status/961083904533901312
Both the eye test and the advance metrics confirm this. What more does IT needs to do to either get traded or demoted to the bench? Is Dan Gilbert passing notes to the coaching staff again?
https://twitter.com/KirkSeriousFace/status/961077882448687104
https://twitter.com/Ryan_Mourton/status/961076278454620161
That is tomorrow.
Is this about IT?
Yes
Was that one game or the season gone? I just don’t know.
Philly gonna win to move into 8th. Cavs up 4 games on 9th place Det.
Gonna be 3 games after tomorrow:
Nets (b2b) at Pistons
Wolves at Cavs
Can I just recommend that you stop looking at the value of the Nets pick and start looking at the value of our own? It’s probably going to be a better pick.
No it won’t. Nets won’t win 12 more games and we are at 30.
Though I see what you are saying. Two lotto picks + LeBron & Love and the guys who try would be fine.
I’ll take that.
Bucks in ’75 missed the POs after losing to the Cs the year before. Oscar retired & Kareem missed 17 games, they went 38-44.
IT kills his team more than any player in the NBA, yet he starts and gets 27-35 minutes a game for some reason. And he will probably get three Brinks trucks from the Cavs this summer.
Coach is probably too insecure to tell him to come off bench as IT said, it would be disrespect if asked to come off bench to him.
Up to 3. After winning the title in 1969, Bill Russell & Sam Jones retired. Boston went 34-48 & missed the POs. 8 of 14 made it.
That is thrice. Pettit played the following year for St. Louis. The other 2 involved trades/retirements. Cs did still have Havlicek.
The SF Warriors made the Finals with Wilt in 1964. He was traded to Philly halfway into the next year & they finished 17-63 & missed the POs.
Isaiah already getting killed for his postgame presser.
By whom?
The twitters.
https://twitter.com/KirkSeriousFace/status/961075244038582272
https://twitter.com/Reflog_18/status/961059216181157888?s=17
https://twitter.com/cleveland_cam/status/961063746444709888?s=17
Wow! How did you get a NaN? These are defined in IEEE 754.
FWIW, I have seen 1 instance of a Finals team not making the POs. After losing in the Finals to the Celtics the prior year (and 3 of the previous 5, with 1 win in there), the 1961-62 St. Louis Hawks went 29-51 & missed the POs. 6 of 9 teams made it.
The year prior, the Lakers went 25-50 after losing to the Celts in the Finals the prior year, but still made the POs as 6 of 8 qualified.
So almost 57 years. I thought it was decades since a team went to the Finals and then missed the playoffs the next year. Thx for the research.
Zero points from the starting back court after the first quarter… when they combined for 23…
https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/961060936596455427?s=17
“I Wish” by IT-Lo I wish I was a little bit taller I wish I was a baller I wish I had a hip that looked good, I’d earn more dollars I wish I had a rabbit in a hat and was sat (on the bench) And a six-four defensive wingspan. I wish I was a little bit taller I wish I was a baller I wish I was a little bit taller I wish I was a baller I wish I was a little bit taller I wish I as a baller I wish I was a little bit… Read more »
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/961072167835373568
Oooh, IT up next!
Dunk of the year.
https://twitter.com/SheaSerrano/status/961059550613987328
It’s particularly unnerving to see them all in one list…
https://twitter.com/espn/status/961071411367473152
All in less than a month’s time. Holy crap…
I gotta say, this sh!tshow has me thinking Bird >>>> LeBron. Even with a bad back, Larry Legend never quit. Just as many titles. More regular season success (6 times with the best record). No running away. No quitting. No holding a team hostage. No drama.
Bird was dead by the time he hit Lebron’s minutes, Bird never had to deal with a complete clusterf of a front office, Bird was never asked to carry a team by himself…shall we go on? It’s not close. Bird was good. He doesn’t hold Lebron’s jock. Again, it’s not close.
Agree with JoeyB
CtB Is there any precedent for a team throwing games ? We’ve seen teams tank for a draft position, but this is pure protest against management. If they don’t make a trade I predict LBJ to actually stop playing all together.
Lol. But Isaiah was trying. That’s the best part.
Great point. The only guy trying has, LITERALLY, the worst rating in the NBA.
Well hope that answers your question, EG.
I’ll keep asking it…
IT’s labral tear isn’t even 60%. They don’t heal on their own. They are painful 24/7 even with physical therapy. I kept wondering how in the Hell is this guy going to play at such a high level. If you have ever had a labral tear, you would know what I mean. You can’t run down court with the speed you need & pivot. It shows. It restricts you. Cavs need to go back to Calderon ASAP.
Uh. I quoted you earlier.
Oh I’m sorry. I didn’t see that. I got my labral tear during Cavs parade when that shooting took place at Tower City. I got thrown to the ground and stampeded. I did physical therapy, chiropractor , massage, injections, ect. for almost 2 years. Nothing worked including narcotics for pain. It’s that painful. You can’t even sleep. I went to same doctor at Cleveland Clinic that IT went to. (there are only 3 surgeons in NE Ohio that can treat this) You only have 2 choices. But eventually you have to get the surgery. It never gets better but worse.… Read more »
That sucks, but I hope the worst is behind you now.
Yes the worst is indeed behind me!! Recovery will be long but at least I don’t have that constant nagging pain 24/7.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/961068858714058752
Yes he should have! The stupid thing is, he could have had it done over the summer and been back in time to play.
LeBron going with canned answers in his presser…
He can’t cop to what’s really happening. It’s so bad I wouldn’t be surprised to see him join the Celtics. Totally serious.
Kyrie wouldn’t play with him…