The Wood Shop: I’m Looking At You Larry
2018-02-21I’ll gladly admit I didn’t watch Larry Nance Jr. during his tenure with the Lakers, aside from whatever highlights landed on Twitter. Now, that I’ve watched him for just three games with the Cavs, I’m pretty impressed. Initially, I thought he was going to be more of a defensive guy for the Cavs.
Don’t get me wrong, he is in some ways, but it’s really only because I had to watch terrible defenders who give zero effort for so much of the season. He does what Tristan Thompson used to do defensively: he can switch onto a point guard and not get smoked, and he’ll stop guys from getting deep into the paint on pick and rolls. He also gives nonstop effort. And, he’s actually quite good at getting steals. With the Lakers in 42 games this year, he averaged 1.4 steals a game from the bench. Or, as cleaningtheglass.com puts it, he gets a steal on 2.8% of all plays he’s on the floor for, which is in the 99th percentile for his position. As you know, a steal means that your team gets the ball back. For an offensively gifted team like the Cavs that’s really awesome because they can score the ball better than pretty much any team in the league. Cleaningtheglass.com has them ranked fifth. Their stats eliminate garbage time and halfcourt heaves to beat the clock. Thankfully for Cleveland, the offensive end of the floor is where Larry has shown the most promise.
Let’s look at some plays from his time with the Cavs.
In the play above, Larry receives the ball from Jordan Clarkson around the left elbow. He then takes two hard dribbles towards the right elbow as Rodney Hood begins to run from the weak side corner to get a dribble hand-off from him. Along the way, in weave style motion action, Kyle Korver sets a nasty screen to take out Hood’s defender, Jerami Grant.
This is a basic play. Nance makes it special though by setting the screen for the sake of setting the screen and not trying to score. This does a few things. First, since Nance doubles up Korver’s screen, he makes sure that Grant can’t get a block from behind if Hood shoots the ball. Secondly, since Nance keeps Grant so far behind the play, Steven Adams has to try to stop any penetration from Nance as well as shots and drives from Hood. Well, that’s impossible to do. If Adams comes out on Hood, Hood will blow by him, and if he stays back, Hood will shoot the 3, which is what he does in this instance. By having Korver involved in the play, that assures that Paul George him can’t help out Adams if Nance rolls because that would leave a world class 3-point shooter open. Guess what, that leaves Nance free to roll to the rim. Look how open he is. Hood could have easily hit him for a highlight level dunk if he choose to not shoot. It’s not as common as you think for guys to set a solid screen and stay committed to it. Nance does this consistently. Also, look when George realizes he has to fight for a possible rebound against Nance. Yea, it’s not going to work out well. Nance gets in an advantageous position with ease.
In the next play, Nance shows a skill that actually beat the Cavs in the 2015 Finals. It’s the ability to pass out of the short roll. Remember all those screens Draymond Green set for Stephen Curry that the Cavs were forced to trap on to keep Curry from raining 3s? After the trap, Green would roll and catch the ball around the foul line before finding a shooter in the corner for an open 3, because some Cavalier was helping off their corner assignment to stop a free Green layup.
Look at this play. Jordan Clarkson runs a pick and roll with Nance. Big and slow Raymond Felton has no chance of stopping Clarkson. So, Jerami Grant traps him softly to give Felton help. Clarkson then finds Nance barreling towards the rim, but Adams is coming Nance’s way. Nance smartly realizes this and finds Hood in the corner almost instantly. He knows he’s passing the ball to Hood before he even gets it from Clarkson. Sure, Adams shouldn’t be on Hood anyways, but the Thunder are executing the proper defensive method when springing a trap. Someone on a guy in the corner has to crash onto the roll man to stop an uncontested dunk. They then have to sprint back to the corner to stop a possible 3. In this case, Hood misses the shot. The thought process is there though. Teams will trap LeBron James in the pick and roll at some point this year in the playoffs. Nance will almost surely have sweet dimes when teams try that defensive strategy.
The last thing to discuss with Nance relates back to his ability to get steals and extra possessions. Nance is an absolute animal on the offensive boards. He snagged 11.7% of the Lakers’ misses this year, which is in the 88th percentile for centers according to cleaningtheglass.com. To put that in perspective, Tristan snagged 13.4% of the Cavs misses during the year they won the Finals which placed him in the 95th percentile. This season he’s in the 82nd percentile. That’s still not bad, but’s it not peak TT.
Check out this offensive rebound against the Thunder. Nance sets a screen on the dribble hand-off and then rolls. He rolls despite Clarkson launching the 3 instantly. He almost always follows through on his screens and refuses to let teams get easy defensive boards.
It’s a huge advantage for the Cavs to have another guy that will get them more chances to score. Scoring is their forte these days and Nance will make them even better at that. And, maybe combining him with the other new talents on the Cavs will help the defense just enough to get another parade this summer.
Editor’s Update (From Tom):
I found the videos of the play I was referencing and figured I’d add it to David’s already-awesome Wood Shop piece.
Moments later
These showcase Nance’s ability to give LeBron some space with a wide, committed screen, and his own gravity as a hard rolling dive man. With his abilities and commitment to the PnR, it could open up the Cavs to start playing around with Horns Rub again if they want to become a fully operational battle station. http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-the-play-that-almost-doomed-toronto/
in the midst of a typo-ridden sentence the “LeBron Wire” at USA Today claims the Cavs were going to lose a roster spot if they didn’t fill it by tomorrow
http://lebronwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/21/report-cavs-sign-marcus-thornton-to-10-day-contract-no-not-that-one/
Per Vardon, Thornton left Canton when he was selected to the USA FIBA qualification squad. Played for William & Mary (Colonial player of the year in 2015) & played one season prior in g-league & also overseas.
Btw, I would trade TT and JR for Kawhi. Make it happen.
Who wouldn’t? Well, other than the Spurs?
FWIW: this Thornton is 25 years old, 6’4″, and is averaging 18.8/3.0/2.9 on 40.4% from deep for Canton. Drafted in 2015 by Boston, no NBA minutes.
It’s extremely confusing…
Does anyone get the point of this? Bodies for practice?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/966474318677970944
NBA rules dictate that each team must carry 14 players by Thursday. Heard this on Hey Windy show
ah
Technically, a week after the transaction that reduced them to 13.
Loke Mike said + this 10 day gets us past March 1, which is the date buyouts have to happen by for a player to be PO eligible.
Then we can decide on the last two spots after we get a better idea about the new guys & all the buyouts are done.
JALEN BRUNSON–(villanova ) starting to get attention for nba draft–moving up—-strong finisher / defender / —–have seen him play –I actually would pick him over trae young
I would be pretty bummed if the Cavs took Young, honestly, no matter where they pick…I think he’s more long term, if he ever develops into a great player at all…I’m with Ben Werth on him…
He would have been an excellent pick using the Cavs pick, had we held onto it.
OOOOPS !!!—MY BAD—WRONG MARCUS THORNTON STATS
yeah. confused the hell out of me too
‘ZZ” 23 PTS/ 12 REB’S IN 25 MINUTES
good size gd/ once scored 42 pts ( against the warriors )—avg almost 22ppg for sacremento —-we shall see
Cavs signed Marcus Thornton to a 10 day…
Just signed earlier this month with the Beijing Ducks…
spurs/ popovich do NOT expect leonard to return this season —–ouch !!!
I generally don’t take Pop at face value on stuff like this, but it certainly doesn’t look good right now…just crazy the Kawhi situation since he landed on zaza’s foot…Spurs were smoking the Warriors at that moment, snakebit since…
Is this all due to Zaza and his dirty play?
There was talk of some discontent I believe. I find that hard to buy with a guy like Kawhi though. He already is their lone superstar.
His injury keeping him out now is unrelated to Zaza…just bad luck…
ante “zz”—8 pts / 3 reb’s/ 3 min’s —-still think in limited minutes he could help
He can. Not sure why Lue didn’t play him when TT was out. Waste of useable talent.
am putting my money on perkins / gives them time to evaluate if he can be of help and look for other potential buyouts —–if they find other players I would ask/ offer perkins to stay on as a coach —-he can still be an ENFORCER from the bench !!
Nets update: 538 Updated win projections (though any site that think the Knicks are winning 32 is plumb crazy):
24 = Suns
25 = Hawks
26 = Nets, Kings
27 = Grizz, Mavs
28 = Magic
29 = Bulls
32 = Knicks
BTW, for the draft, ties are broken by ping/pong balls/draw.
If the Cavs somehow get slotted third for the actual pick, I will pour a nice beverage, and enjoy a hearty LOL at Danny Ainge’s expense, and nod toward Bill Simmons…
Fedor tweeted he heard that the Cavs were going the 10-day route. Makes sense no matter who it is.
Depends on if it is gonna be a permanent guy or a 10-day. I guess Perk could be either. Saw the Bulls were benching Holiday & Lopez to try and tank more. Don’t know if it is just out of the starting lineup or shut down for the season. If it is a shut down, Lopez may want out. Sacramento has already gone to playing the young guys more and vets less (though they still do play them sometimes) but is 4-6 in their L10 despite it. Carlisle has been tanking the end of games for the Mavs virtually all… Read more »
Lopez has too many years
The amount of talent that Altman was able to trade for is incredible. We have 9 guys that can go for 20+ a game on a regular basis. Our bench is solid and Hill is the perfect PG for LeBron. Can’t wait for the next one.
https://twitter.com/RickNoland/status/966399788324474881
Is that gonna be Perkins?
looks like they signed Marcus Thornton…
Love these, David.
Larry Nance, Jr. has already become one of my favorite Cavs. Right behind KLove. Those short roles David discusses are absolutely devastating. There is almost no way to defend it, the defense just has to hope the opposing player misses the shot.Tomorrow night can’t come soon enough.
i bet lue plays nance to close games out. i hope he does atleast. him at the 5 lebron at the 4 and j.r. at the 2 in the last five minutes is good with me. Lebron at the pf and roller in pnr is a joy to watch and i hope lue is saving his best for last i.e. kerr with durant hardly playing center. not really sure how love fits in when he comes back. similar situation in houston with ryan anderson going to the bench. love is far better than anderson i just mean both arent known… Read more »
Seriously? Team still has a huge defensive rebounding issue and he’s the only one with the tools to help. He is still their second best player.
indeed he is but he is also our second best power forward that was what i meant. i wouldnt be surprised if he gets traded with the brooklyn pick once lebron stays. i love me some love and his rebounding and outlet passes are sorely missed and hope when he comes back he gets lots of first quarter touches i just dk about late in a close game.
Who do you think that actually gets? Not AD with his being locked up under contract for NO for years. They aren’t trading him save for LBJ. I just don’t see a mega trade piece out there that they get for the pick and love.
McCollum?
Is he worth both Love and a guy like Bamba or Doncic? I am skeptical.
No. But you asked who you could get
True. I guess I meant who is gettable that is worth it.
Love is fine on D. He just is not a shot blocker. He is a good post defender. Our best defensive rebounder.
Bron at the 4 works wonderfully on O because he usually has a giant quickness advantage & we start getting layups, dunks, & open 3s all over the place. At his age, a lot of 3s can stick with him now. On D, Bron is an indifferent post defender & does not box out much, despite his strength & weight.
Love-Nance-Bron works fine. Not our best, perhaps, but it will do.
All the rebounds though.
When I heard we unloaded IT to the Lakers, I was thrilled. When I heard we got Nance back in return, I was ecstatic.
Great piece! The offensive rebounding is so important because it always leaves the defense scrambling. Look how open Korver is for three on that last clip.
Great breakdown, David!
Can you find the play where he did PnR with LeBron a couple times?
OK – I used my superuser privileges to add them myself – thanks again for a great breakdown, David!
now witness the power of this fully operational battlestation
love that
we are all witness
very good job david / thorough research/ much appreciated —–agreed as advertised “L-JR “–does all the little things exceptionally well —-hoping this re-energizes T.T. to play the same way —-thurs can’t get here soon enough–hoping we have the “same fire-mojo ” that we had before the all star break —maybe even better !!!
Nance is the Intangible Man. He does all the little things well.