From Distance: Casey Needs a New Plan
2018-05-05four point play… special weekend editionÂ
1. Kenny Smith might have been the only guy on TNT’s post game coverage that understood the Raptor’s primary problem. While Chuck and Shaq were busy either being disappointed in the Raptors’ players or marveling (properly) at the brilliance of LeBron, Kenny pointed out the main reason the Raptors are losing.
They have refused to double-team. While I totally agree that hard-trapping one of the greatest passers of all time is not a great plan, at some point, Dwane Casey has to recognize that allowing LeBron James to go one-on-one with space is not the recipe for success.
It’s one thing to trust your defenders to guard LeBron when he is surrounded by an traditional old school lineup. It’s another thing to put your defenders out on an island against the potential GOAT when he has four good to great shooters around him.
Not only did the King and Kevin Love have the opportunity go against over matched guys in the post, they had an absurd amount of real estate in which to operate. With Casey afraid to let his guys leave shooters, both Love and Bron had plenty of time and space to dribble into their post rhythm. As Kevin love explained, those were literally practice shots from LeBron and Love in Game 2.
Yes, doubling can cause a chain reaction leading to all sorts of horrible things. Guys like Kyle Korver and J.R. Smith can get hot and end the evening in a hurry. It’s not a great strategy. Unfortunately, for the Raptors, the “not great strategy” might be the only one.
2. The Cavs are doing what they couldn’t do against the Pacers for basic reasons. The Pacers don’t employ Jonas Valanciunas. Jalen Rose did a nice job of breaking down the slaughter of the talented young Lithuanian. (I’m shocked by the real basketball content from ESPN too),
Against the Pacers, another talented Lithuanian big man, Domantas Sabonis and Myles Turner were both able to hang with Love on the perimeter with more consistency. More importantly, Sabonis did a rather remarkable job of staying in front of LeBron.
Combine that with excellent ball pressure, and the Pacers at least gave themselves a chance. The Cavs also missed some open shots from their role players, but that brings us back to the point.
If you double, you put the onus on the Cavaliers’ role players to make shots. If they drop, you tip your cap. It’s better than giving LeBron James and Kevin Love practice shots.
As ridiculously difficult as those turnarounds seemed, they are shots that LeBron makes with regularity. Normally, he doesn’t get so much room in consecutive possessions that he can keep hoisting until he gets bored.
There is no contest from the primary defender, and the help defenders are all too far away busily adhering to Casey’s archaic gameplan. With space like that, LeBron is chillin in the gym.
Same for Kevin Love. I applaud the Cavs for realizing that the Raptors’ determination to shut down Kyle Korver on Korver/Love screen action was leaving Love open with a trailing JV, or leaving Love left with a mismatch on the block.
C.J. Miles is actually a decent post defender. He has been used in that capacity for the last few seasons even if the senile Hubie Brown doesn’t know it.
That being said, our old pal doesn’t have a chance against Kevin frickin Love. Thad Young is a supreme post defender and a tough matchup for Kevin. The Raptors don’t have anyone who can both stick with him on the block and chase him around the perimeter. When the Kyle Korver/Love screen action dictates a switch, even if the primary defender can check Love, the switched defender will need help.
The media think someone is washed anytime they have a mild injury or if they go against a troublesome matchup. Kevin had both. Now, he is liberated from Thad Young’s vice grip, and not so coincidentally, it seems like his skier’s thumb is feeling a bit better.
If I’m Dwane Casey, I do one of two things. Either I stay with my starting lineup and double Love and LeBron after one dribble, or I yank Jonas from the starting lineup for Pascal Siakam and hope he makes enough shots to survive. The Raptors are getting swept otherwise.
3. “But Ben! Why should you we do anything you say? You are the one who has said that Ty Lue is a bad coach, Jeff Green, Jordan Clarkson, and Tristan Thompson shouldn’t be in the rotation, and that the Sixers are going to mow through the Celtics!”
Fair points, dear reader.
Look: I’m thrilled that the Cavs are up 2-0. Lue went the veterans he trusts, and so far it has worked out.
It pleases me that Tristan Thompson finally got healthy and in shape enough to do a decent impersonation of his previous self. His rugged play did wonders to neutralize the physicality advantage the Pacers enjoyed. TT has done a great job in the very switch situations that he had struggled with all season. Great. I’m more than happy to be proven wrong.
Still, let’s not pretend all is hunky dory with the lineups. Jordan Clarkson is still bleeding points in his minutes on the floor. I audibly said “of course he hits these now” when he started drilling jumpers in garbage time.
Jordan isn’t a consistent shooter. He isn’t a long and effective defender. I still think Cedi should take his minutes. Basically, the only concern is whether the team has someone else who can bring up the ball when Hill and LeBron don’t. I get it. I’m just fine with the idea of J.R. shouldering that load. I’ll risk it.
The best playoff lineups feature either Hill or no point guard. Really, if Lue had so much faith in Clarkson’s ball-handling abilities, why did he attempt to play him exclusively with other ball-handlers? The reason is because Jordan can’t be trusted to handle without chucking.
Jeff Green has been playing out of his mind for the past week. As much as it pains me to say this, he probably should continue to play going forward. The Playoffs are all about matchups and if Green is given the correct matchups, he doesn’t kill team defense so consistently.
He also has been doing a silly thing like “trying”. His focus wavers more frequently than even J.R. In the playoffs, both have been locked in. J.R. is still a much smarter defender, but Green has been better than his usual.
In the past week, his hot shooting has made up for Green’s still occasional defensive mishaps. The defensive lapses have come less frequently and his shots have gone down more consistently. It’s a great combination, but one I still fear won’t last. It doesn’t really matter though. The Cavs just need good Jeff Green for two weeks in June.
4. Which brings us to the Finals question. Yes, I know the media need something to talk about. I realize they don’t cover the Cavaliers with the same intensity that we do here at C: TB.
But for the love of basketball, Brian Windhorst should know better. IÂ get that he doesn’t “trust this team” etc…, but what about the last three seasons did he “trust” before the Cavs found their groove?
This is a completely different team! Only, it’s not now. Basically, Lue has gone back to the small crunch time lineup from last year with George Hill in place of Kyrie Irving and Green for Richard Jefferson.
If they stay big with the now non-comatosa Tristan Thompson, they are 4/5ths the same lineup. Hill has a completely different game than Kyrie, but in some ways, he makes Love and LeBron better. Hill has been brilliant as the primary ball-handler in the left wing Pick and Roll with either LeBron or Kevin. He is comfortable playing boringly effective ball.
He might not be able to do what Kyrie did one-on-one, but he is steady. His absence for much of the first round has curiously been overlooked by the media as relevant factor.
With Hill, Smith, Korver, Bron, and Love finishing games, I see no reason to question whether the Cavs are going to make the Finals.
What a pass
Lol. Dumb double leads to a hill three
LeBron is not losing his hair, he’s jus getting it scraped off by fouls
Lol valanciunas grabbing loves Jersey from behind d before the block. JR didn’t touch derozan
Hubie so sad for the raptors
Valanciunas on the lane for 19 seconds before the foul call.
LMAO… was LBJ wearing a Seagram’s 7 hat???
What’s the significance?
I have no idea…. LMAO. Just seems kinda weird.
Mixes well with Sprite???
Interesting that Stevens admits he was iffy on that first TO call.
insanely great defense from Boston on the road tonight.
Tatum, Brown, and Rozier with huge games…. have to wonder if they’d develop like this with Kyrie there.
Call me crazy, but I think if there ever was a series where a team could come back from 3-0 down, this is it.
I sure don’t think so. I think it’ll be a sweep.
I could see it from a veteran team that is just better and didn’t play like it/messed around for three games. This is a young team that doesn’t know how to win in the playoffs yet. I think this is the least likely team to do that.
It’s never over until it’s over…. but expecting Philly to win 2 in Boston? That’s a tall order…. Philly’s young guns would have to rise to the occasion and Boston’s young guns would have to spectacularly fall.
Well, pressure on the Cavs to keep pace with Boston. I want to clinch first so we get some rest/practice. We could use both.
So much for the cavs being way more rested than Boston. Gotta take care of business now and get this series done with.
WTF? Dave Pasch just said the Celtics win the series 3-0???
Oh good lord Philly…Boston cant be this good
Well 76ers too inexperienced and it showed. See ya next year.
Future is indeed bright in Philly. This experience will help. But Redick, Belinelli, & Ilyasova are all FAs.
They could easily resign them if they are willing to spend. Or renounce them and go after LBJ.
I can’t believe the 76ers can’t win a game against the Celtics
President. Stevens.
They were dropping like 130 a night for a month. I love how well the Celtics play together but geez
a lot of those big scoring nights were due to guys being red hot from three. They aren’t getting all those looks this series…
Also they didn’t play great competition during the streak.
That’s definitely true. Play mostly tanking teams.
Also, the regular season means nothing in the NBA lol.
Me either. I thought it would be 3-0 right now, but in the other direction.
Inexperience… thought Philly was in trouble tonight in the 1st quarter when the Celtics had an early lead.
Embiid should have listened to his coach and gone to the bench for a bit.
WOW!!!!!!! HORFORD STEAL!!!!
Embiid really stinking it up down the stretch.
He posted up about 50 times and probably scored 4 points on them…
Bye bye Sixers…
Incredible play by Horford there!!! 2nd TO pays off…. almost another 5 second call though!
What is Embiid doing on that inbound?
Caught on a switch, but terrible decision…
Wow here we go again. 76ers season comes down to this.
I’m not sure about that first TO called by Stevens. That may come back to haunt them. Almost a 5 second call after the 1st TO.
That was too freaking easy…they gave them that one…
What’s Simmons thinking?
“Trust the process lolzzzz”
“I wish I wouldn’t have missed that uncontested dunk.”
Tatum is so slippery. Reminds me of a more athletic Brandon Roy
Who is also three inches taller.
Ainge got last year’s draft right. The best olayer outside of Mitchell plus more assets.
You need to shriek “AND ONE!!!1!!1” on those to get the call, Tatum…listen to your Unca Dion…or that matter, Unca Marcus Smart…
Embiid’s post ups have been about as effective as Love’s were against the Pacers…
I bet Bill Simmons appreciated that shot on a pure basketball level…
Wow…what poor sap gets fired for dropping the confetti too early
Cool delaying tactic with the confetti.
Amazing save of Ben Simmons by Bellinelli
Haha, they blew their confetti guns…
Great finish. Belinelli saves Philly’s bacon as they get a bucket after inbounding with 1.7 left.
OT.
Only a two…OT…as soon as Belinelli broke free I saw that coming…
Pfft. See ya philly. You will be the top of the east soon, but not this year.
Wow, Bellinelli!
Saving their season
Wow, what an awful giveaway from Reddick…
JR shot from Reddick…
Cant tell if these teams are equally bad or equally good
Really is tough to say…
I think Boston is one of the best (top 3) defenses in the league, and one of the worst offenses minus Kyrie. I think Philly is just inexperienced but has talent that would equate it to a great team if they had more experience.
I think that is spot on. Boston’s is better without Kyrie.
Scary Terry does it again.
Boston’s D is better without Ky is what I meant to type.
I got it. Should be interesting to see how they are defensively when Hayward and Kyrie comeback. I don’t think they can be as good defensively with those two. I don’t know how much drop off their will be.
We’ll see if their defense is for real in the next round. All I know is both of these teams are fouling each other constantly a lot like indy did against us. Like playing in water
Philly in serious danger of an 0-3 hole.
Though I think they could actually climb out of it.
I seriously doubt that since in 65+ years it has never happened and considering how young they are. Tough ask for them to play mistake free for 4 straight games.
I’m pretty sure that Celtic bucket was the first score by either team this quarter…
I was thinking next bucket wins for a while now.
Again the Celtics are pushing and shoving a lot on defense and the refs are not calling it.
Baynes is going Stephenson on Embid.
If the Sixers aren’t careful they are going to get their butts swept, despite all their big talk…
Celtics too good defensively. They know what they have to do to shut down Simmons and make life difficult for the rest of them. Baynes big enough and physical enough to bother Embiid.
Exactly, although I have to admit that the Celtics can I of get away with too much reaching and shoving on defense.
Just like Indy and gs. Thing is if you can stay in front of people regardless of whether you are fouling or not and generally can stop drives one on one, I feel like the refs then let you get away with more. The really good defensive teams get away with more than teams that struggle individually.
They were careful to make like 10 threes in two minutes
Yeah…not seeing much from them all series when the threes stop falling…any team can look great when they’re hitting 20 threes..:
I think Cavs struggle against teams that play a real physical brand of basketball, especially with small ball line ups of Love at the 5. Toronto just isn’t nearly as physical as Indiana and Boston. When you’re not physical, Lebron and the Cavs shooters get in a rhythm, and then for anyone in the east it’s over.
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The biggest problem the Raps have is that they do NOT have Oladipo. That’s it! The only reason Indy gave the Cavs issues was because of Oladipo. The guy can blast by anyone on the perimeter and get to the basket with incredible ease. Second PG in the East only to Kyrie – and that’s only because he’s not a real ISO guy and more of a “within” the flow of the offense guy. If he had 80% the handles Kyrie has, he would be the best PG in the East. He can finish around the basket better than Kyrie,… Read more »
Disagree with his ability to finish around the rim being better than Kyrie’s. Granted, he did well to finish at the rim against Love, TT, Nance and Green (not exactly the most intimidating front court). I think Kyrie’s ability to finish with either hand with the English he put on it and draw contact (especially at his size) is unmatched.
Yes, their defense was great but everything revolved around the Cavs having to trap Oladipo as he made it past the halfway point. Then, he was able to get the ball to an opened player (Sabonis mostly), who shot great.
Cavs don’t need to do that to Lowry or DeRozan because neither one will get to the basket as easy as Oladipo. Cavs can play one on one D and nobody in the Raptors will torch them like Oladipo could.
Second to Kyrie on the East and his finishing around the basket, although not as pretty, was just as efficient.
No Dipo was definitely not the only reason at all. They were in every game, including the ones where he was abjectly terrible because of their defense. Their defense was really good and was gameplanned perfectly to shut down what the cavs do best, spread ISO and spread p and r. Their d was the primary reason for our offensive struggles. They bottled up shooters really well and their pressure caused the cavs to make mistakes in multiple games. They were also physical in the paint and threw multiple looks at the cavs within the same game possession to possession.
And Dipo was AWFUL in three games. Two games that Indy still nearly won and one that they did because of their d.
I believe it was about their defense. Yes, Oladipo was really solid for them but their physicality on defense disrupt the Cavs shooters.
I think if your rationale for trusting these Cavs is that “they are the same team as last year, except they replaced a top 5 perimeter scorer with George Hill,” Windhorst is probably making more sense. Also, they aren’t just missing Kyrie. No more RJ, no more Frye (they would have beat Indy in 5 if they’d had Frye). And they’ve been replaced by guys who are giving the Cavs nothing. I still think the new guys have been miscast. Clarkson can’t be the PG, we already knew that and he’s really effective as a spot up shooter. Hood cannot… Read more »
I don’t think anyone in the board would consider this team the same as last years. Two completely different animals. Luckily LeBron somehow got better and that’s why they are where they are. Hopefully the new guys progress.
Windy is not a basketball analyst. He is a reporter who tries to pick up what’s behind the scenes but often just is relying on rumor and hearsay. The people who know basketball generally don’t watch enough Cavs to understand the ebb and flow of the season and the personnel. ZL should have known better as he has described the Cavs death lineup more than once. AC is too emotional so I find that Chones is the analyst to believe when it’s going well or poorly. Former greats like Shaq, Pierce, and Barkley are often too involved in defending their… Read more »
The Raptors are just an easier matchup for the Cavs than Indy. Lowry & DeRozan are legit all-stars, but are not as explosive athletically as Oladipo. We have more guys who can hang with them.
Dipo & Indiana are more disruptive defensively. They have more mobile bigs who can defend perimeter & post, pass well, and exploit smalls. They have better overall shooting. And few (if any) players who are not a legit threat offensively in some capacity: Dipo, Bogdan, Collison, Young, Turner, Stevenson, Sabonis. Joseph is really the only guy, and he is solid.
i gave never thiught i woukd be cheering for rondo. Hope the pelicans give a tough series to Gsw
Which of these is more true?
The Cavs shooting is progressing to the mean
The Pacers defense did things that really limited the Cavs offense
I think it was more what the Pacers did. They completely neutralized Kevin Love, Korver only had an instant to get off his wraparound threes, and Lebron had to expend more effort to get to the hoop.
Also I think a large part of the Cavs progressing to the mean is simply just getting healthier
George Hill helps. Less Clarkson ball handling. Less Calderon on D. TT making an impact (though not much last game) helps.
Just some friggin’ familiarity with the guys you are playing with and the lineups used.
If 1/2 of the non-vets start to step up, lookout.
I think doubling is suicidal. Indy didn’t double much. If they did, Bron does not go for 40 so often. My strategy would to be extremely aggressive on ball defending. Stick to the shooters early & do not give them a feel early. Bron likes to get others going early. Do not let him. Make him expend a ton of energy early. If he is too passive or settles for jumpers that do not fall, you get a lead. If nit, you wear him down. Late game, depending on how much he has left, you either get settle mode (in… Read more »
You mean least often. I think you could’ve gotten away with doubling early in the series when the Cavs were out of rhythm. Not now.
I agree with Jason. To me, James always looks like he prefers to see a second defender on himself to create passing opportunities. I feel like the only way to win a series against the Cavs is to: (1.) have a defender who’s both strong enough to collide with James one-on-one in the post for the bulk of the game and simultaneously mobile enough to cover him further out, and (2.) prevent Korver from seeing the ball off screens. Do merely an okay job guarding Love (and Irving, in previous years), and you can outscore their production. Smith might win… Read more »
Im not sure how doubling lebron solves the problems pointed out by Jalen Rose?
It won’t totally if JV is still out there. But allowing LeBron to hold the ball like a QB gives all those screens time to happen.
Again, doubling isn’t a good idea. It’s just that the other solution hasn’t worked for them over three years.
I would be fine with the shots lbj took in the fourth. Two out of three of those plays Rose brokedown were just the raptors falling asleep, bad awareness and over jumpy JV. They are doing what they need to do scheme-wise but are nowhere near as physical or focused as they need to be. A lot of those threes simply came from the raptors losing guys. Literally bad defensive awareness and poor recovery on closeouts. The miles at four lineups killed them. Make sure that doesn’t happen again and be more physical and they would be much better. They… Read more »