From Distance: Fantasy Lands
2018-05-25four point play….
1. Last week, I challenged Ty Lue to prove his basketball acumen to be something other than that of a common fan. I introduced him to a talented young player who, to that point, had been rotting on the Cavs’ bench.
Much to our delight, Lue finally got my memo and started both Cedi Osman and Kyle Korver. The move has helped to lead the Cavs to three straight victories as the duo’s floor game and intensity set the tone for the rest of the team.
By starting Korver, the Kevin Love/Korver two man dance has left Brad Stevens no opportunity to play Aron Baynes, thus forcing the Celtic coach to give more minutes to the talented but unproven, Semi Ojeleye.
The Cavs were able to dominate the boards with Osman and Korver properly boxing out. The Celtics couldn’t afford to give Baynes minutes for fear of giving up countless open threes to Love and Korver.
LeBron has done an admirable job on Al Horford. Without Jeff Green and Jordan Clarkson to destroy defensive rotations, Bron has been more able to focus on a singular assignment knowing his teammates have his back.
Oh wait, what’s that you say? That’s not how it went down at all?
You are telling me that instead of dictating the rotation of the other team, Ty Lue was left too confused by a Brad Stevens Game 5 rotation tweak that he didn’t play Korver at all in the first quarter? You are joking, right?
Well folks, Coach Lue did it. He proved that he is not a common fan. He somehow lowered the bar. I extend this pleasant message to the rest of the coaching staff as well. You guys are collectively defecating in your places of slumber.
Yes, the Cavs won games three and four convincingly. Guys hit shots and the Celtics played scared. Still, other than playing Larry Nance, Lue has done nothing to instill confidence in the fan base.
People pile on J.R. Smith when he isn’t scoring, but one must remember that an opposing defense can’t just ignore him. Smith can turn into Swish at any moment. While his defense hasn’t been wonderful, he has generally made the right rotations and closed out to the correct side of the shooter depending on the floor geometry. I don’t have a problem with Smith getting minutes.
Jeff Green and Jordan Clarkson however? Those dudes shouldn’t see any playoff minutes. Clarkson played about as well as one could expect in Game 5. He still blew defensive angles and didn’t swing the ball with pace.
Jeff Green got a rebound at one point and I said aloud to myself. “Woah!!!” Green actually set a playoff high with his five rebounds in both games four and five. That’s how bad of a rebounder Green is.
What is Green’s assist total in these last two games in which he has “dominated” the glass? Zero. He has a total of three in the series.
Before you talk to me about how those numbers don’t matter, I’d like to proactively say you are mostly correct. If a guy has a dominating floor game, traditional counting stats aren’t so important.
The problem is that Green has a laughably bad floor game. Clarkson’s is even worse. You just can’t win with two guys playing low IQ ball unless the team is shooting the lights out.
Enough already, Ty. I already gave you the rotation last week. If you want to start Tristan instead of Cedi so you can match him against Horford, I can accept that. But by not playing Korver with Love together as much as possible, you are shortening your coaching career, and our lives.
2. The Western Conference Finals is playing out perfectly for the Cavs. If the Rockets can somehow win one of the next two games against the Warriors and still be without a healthy Chris Paul entering the Finals, the Cavs could be in a position to steal a somewhat unlikely championship.
Just the fact that the Rockets lead the series is already enough to help the Cavaliers win the next two games. I’d be shocked if the young Celtics aren’t already fantasizing about winning the chip against a weakened Rockets team.
That little diversion of attention might be enough for the Cavs to take an easy Game 6 at home. Cleveland needs LeBron James to be fresh for a Game 7 in Boston. If Game 6 is anything other than a blowout Cavs victory, things might get even more dicey than they already are.
3. I’m equal parts impressed by the Rockets’ play and underwhelmed by the Warriors. P.J. Tucker might be the most underrated player in the series. He gives the Rockets and guy who has the strength to push Draymond Green around a little. His similar approach to competition helps Rockets match the Green’s energy.
Houston has also been beautifully consistent in their obliteration of Steph Curry’s defense. D’Antoni has the Rockets following the gameplan to a T. There are very few possessions that don’t put Curry through a gauntlet. (You might want to mute this next video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w271u15qsRQ
That strategy won the Cavs the 2016 championship. It is one win away from allowing the Rockets to advance.
Smart teams will not let the Warriors and Curry off the hook. Once again, people confuse fatigue for injury. Curry’s knee is fine. His whole body is just getting drilled by guys like P.J. Tucker and Clint Capela. He’s forced to check bull strength drives by James Harden and the too often overlooked, Eric Gordon.
Teams don’t hunt Curry like that in the regular season. Dumb teams, like the 2017 Cavs, forget to follow the hunting plan in the playoffs. For teams that follow the recipe and stick to it, the Warriors aren’t invincible.
4. If the Cavs can finally use a reasonable rotation, they still have a chance to grab the 2018 championship. Instead, we will likely see more Jeff Green and Jordan Clarkson. Or perhaps Lue will toss a hapless Rodney Hood back in there after a garbage time jump shot found twine.
It’s ridiculous that that is legitimately on the table.
I still don’t think LeBron will leave Cleveland, but if he does, and somehow Lue keeps his job, I might need a year off.
Get it together, Coach. I’m tired of your fantasy land. These dudes can’t ball. Can we try mine?
At first I was like, wait, what game did I watch?! And then I remembered, oh yeah, the beautiful Ben Werth show! :-)
Feeling very nervous. Come on CTB, come together- let’s get this.
Maybe we have the worst coach in the league. Maybe we have an inept owner, whose willing to spend has been utilized incredibly un-intelligently. Maybe we have one of the least capable rosters of any team in the playoffs. But we got Lebron. We got this.
Is it over yet?
Wonder if LeBron will come out in attack mode early or look to get everyone else going and save that for Game 7
Game six is definitely a feel out game.
Great summation of what seems our consensus frustration with Lue. Tatum is a rookie and was forced by team injuries to step up, I believe Cedi would do the same. He might not be the offensive contributor Tatum is, but he’d surely play hard, smart, be effective on defense and absolutely better than Clarkson. And I’m going to play the music from the attack Curry video during the game rather than listening to Van Gundy and Jackson.
Hot take: knowing game 5 was going to be tough regardless, Lue threw it with bad rotations to throw Stevens off his game with some tricks for game 6
I’d believe that if boston didn’t look ready to lie down in the first quarter.
That game was soooooooooooooo there for the taking. I have seen nothing to indicate that LBJ responds well to a travel day in between games. It doesn’t bode well for tonight, although I think we’ll win. Game seven is going to be a different story. I’d love it if they flew out tonight so he has a whole day off in boston to acclimate, but it probably ain’t happening.
Lue is a terrible coach — so bad that he almost makes me miss Mike Brown. I was the biggest Mike Brown hater ever — zero offensive creativity, terrible feel for calling timeouts, radiated goofy inadequacy. But looking back now, hell, the guy knew how to put together a rotation. It’s not nothing to know how and when to use guys like Drew Gooden and Delonte West — and when to sit them. The sad fact is that Larry Drew’s 10 game stint is far and away the best coaching we’ve seen in Cleveland since Lenny Wilkens. Too bad our… Read more »
Ben superb writing as usual—-speaking of “FANATSY LAND “—–I am not ready to ” buy into the fact ” that the nba wanted / staged C PAULS injury but –hey they have to like the way they can “hype ‘ it up– and more than likely force a 7th game ” winner take all “—–we shall see if the same happens tonight —cavs win—forcing another ‘ 7th game hype ‘—have to admit this all helps the media’s PRE –GAME conversations
I disagree with all of the Lue hate. You think Lue lost that game in Boston? C’mon, man. Despite some awesome blocks in Game 4, Korver cannot guard Brown. Yes, he should play, but it’s not as if you just put Korver in and the Cavs win that game. And Cedi? Hey I like his enthusiasm, but does he have the potential to score points like JR? No friggin’ way. He needs to work on his three point shot in the off-season. Yes, he plays smart, defends well, and he’s got potential, but geez. The players on the court lost… Read more »
Lue didn’t lose the game in Boston – you’re right. The team played like crap, and Lebron was too tired. If Lebron shows up, we win. If he doesn’t, we lose. That’s been true of nearly every single game these playoffs. HOWEVER, Lue’s job is to his players in the best position to succeed. He fails to do that, night in and night out. Over and over, making the same mistakes. Maybe it wouldn’t matter. It all probably hinges on Lebron anyway. But Lue doesn’t improve the team by his coaching. He’s not even neutral. He makes decisions that hurt… Read more »
They probably weren’t going to win that game, true, but just one fact: Lebron, Love and Korver, one of the most effective Cav three man groups, had literally zero minutes on the court together in game 5. (someone correct me if it’s slightly more than zero, unable to check it atm….I believe it was zero minutes) Just no excuse for that.
Wow. It’s like you didn’t even read the article. We’re not talking about Cedi playing over JR, we’re talking about him playing over Clarkson and Green. How bad is Clarkson? He might be one of the worst players ever to receive significant minutes on a conference finals team. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/clarkjo01/gamelog/2018#1-15-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs He’s shooting 31% from the field and 27% from three. He’s playing 15 freaking minutes per game in the playoffs, and over 13 against Boston. The Cavs are -29 with him on the floor this postseason, and he’s played 260+ minutes. His advanced stats are abysmal. YET LUE STILL PLAYS HIM!?… Read more »
It seems like when the Cavs play well (as in Games 3 & 4), not much credit is given to the coach at all, even though to me it was the between game adjustments that were the key there. I don’t see much difference between Green and Osman. About the same size, decent defense, not much offense. Green, however, is not a rookie, and the coach(es), not to mention Lebron may value that more. For whatever reason, Green had more playing time during the regular season. With a max of nine games left, is it really time to mix things… Read more »
Green does not play decent defense. Osman play excellent defense. Clarkson is the worst player on the court, unless Hood plays. Lue has given meaningful minutes to Hood, Green, and Clarkson. Cedi is better than all of them. It’s coaching malpractice.
Ben, absolutely love:
“, and our lives.” and “I might need a year off.”
It’s hilarious how the Cavs demeanor and approach has actually infected our blog! I find myself frustrated to the point of forced disinterest and resting up for must-win games lol.
I’ve turned more games off before they were over this year than I ever did in any of the dark years…
https://cavsnation.com/cavs-news-lebron-james-heading-game-6-confident-defense-vs-celtics/
Really? I’m a huge LeBron fan but sometimes he just doesn’t admit obvious things.
Great post I think a big part of the Celtics home/road splits is the officiating they get at home. The refs let them play incredibly physically in Boston. But instead of adjusting, Lue just trots out the same plays over and over again. That’s not on the refs – that’s on the lack of adjustments. What a weird playoffs this has been. I was incredibly wrong on the Rockets – they are legit. But if the Warriors honestly lose now with CP3 injured, they should get raked over the coals and Kerr should legit be on the hot seat. This… Read more »
I for one am ready for 36 minutes of Jeff Green in game 6…it’s gonna happen anyway, may as well lay back and enjoy it…
I guess it’s better to trick your mind into liking it. Less painful lol.
He got 31 . . .
AMEN. All points I’ve been screaming at my TV.
CP3 out for tomorrow’s game.
If he could play in game 7 at least the Warriors could be in trouble.
Again the Warriors with their freaking good luck. It’s just unbelievable.
IF Cavs win this series, would you call it luck ? That is insulting to our favorite players who win the series.
Iguodala and CP3 always had injury history. Longer and more grueling the series are, inevitable that they will get hurt at some point like Kyrie for instance who finished only two seasons healthy. I don’t think Warriors won any playoff games without Iguodala in last 3 years and they missed him for two years. But, it would be sorry excuse to point to that.
I just don’t understand Lue didn’t play KK any meaningful minutes on such an important game.
And if you’re LeBron, how do you not lose your sh!t on the sidelines or during a time out and force Lue to play his 3rd best player?
Great article….Lue leans too much on guys snapping out of funks instead of making timely changes….I honestly don’t think inserting Cedi for clarkson would worst thing in world…more length…more energy and smarter player in general….think nba wants 7 games for both conferences so look for cavs to get more benefit calls tonight and tie it up…also see same for warriors out west
This was very well done, thank you for writing it. I have such a hard time thinking that my opinion is better than an NBA coaches’ opinion, but man, consensus is really building that these lineups make no sense.
It just seems like benching Green and Clarkson for game 6 has like a 0.003 percent chance of costing you the game.
Fantastic stuff, Ben.
This was the best. And has me thinking the worst. Blegh
To me, what’s even more insane about the Lue-Korver deal is that there was video of Korver working out before the game, I believe…. and that video showed Korver making every freaking shot he took. So, IMO, Lue basically iced his own player by not getting into the game after an incredible workout.
Loved this one Ben. Agreed. On the whole thing.
Reading GSOM, everyone was on Kerr for his rotations. Boston folks were turning on Brad’s rotations game 4.
I certainly think Lue is awful, but I dont honestly have a wide perspective. Is it possible we’re just too deep in to the team to realize Lue is an ‘average’ coach that makes lineup mistakes that are easy to identify in retrospect but maybe harder in the moment?
There’s definitely truth to the idea that it’s harder to make decisions in the moment. But that’s why these coaches are paid handsomely…. to perform in precisely these environments.
Also, notice that Stevens corrected his mistake in game 4 by shortening his rotation in game 5… something Kerr also failed to do while D’Antoni perfectly executed.
We will see how it works out in the end.
Houston’s shorter rotations may cost them in games 6-7 as it drags on. While GSWs expanded ones may help.
Ditto with us. Sneaking a minute or two for Cedi & Jose (who won’t do dumb things), and a couple more for Nance likely won’t hurt too much.
Of course, that is what Casey probably thought when he put Nogueira in.
LOL, true that re: Nogueira. D’Antoni already went on record saying he’s expanding rotation to 8 or 9 with CP3’s absence, which makes sense… I expect them to ride the hot hand that emerges, which is what should happen on a deep team.
Wish Lue would do the same when JR, Clarkson, or Green show they’re cold for the night.
No, Lue’s mistakes in his rotation are unforgivably stupid. Just basic ideas that he can’t seem to grasp. Sure, Kerr and Stevens are human and make mistakes on their rotation occasionally, things happen in the game and not every adjustment works. But Lue’s mistakes aren’t occasional. They aren’t just mistakes that you can shrug off as “well, that didn’t work.” I mean, he didn’t play our best shooter for the entire first quarter of the game simply because Boston did not insert Semi Ojeleye. That’s ridiculous…. Utter stupidity.
Fantasy indeed.
1) That Lue will end the Jeff Green bromance.
2) That Bron is not gone if we lose to a C’s team without their TWO best players.
Hopefully, the idea that a Rockets team with a gimpy/out CP3 and cold shooting Harden (20 missed 3s in a row) could knock off GSW will cause Bron to summon up two more Hurculean efforts to drag this team to the Finals.
Ithink bron is gone regardless. Even if we win the title. This team has no means by which to improve for the next two years. He hates the owner. The gm executed one of the worst trades in history. The only reason he stays is just because he likes it here. There is no basketball reason no legacy reason no extending career reason to stay
James won’t leave if the Cavs win the title. That would be legacy suicidal
Why? This team Isn’t going to be better next year. The eighth overall pick is not going to meaningfully contribute. If we win the title this year it will be because our opponents are hobbled and lbj dominates. There will be better options next year. I think if anything winning the title this year would make it easier for him to leave because he will have duplicated the Miami success in Cleveland.
I disagree Joeyb. Remember how raw Varejao was during LeBron 1.0? He became a borderline all-star during the dark years. Larry Nance Jr. could be just like that. Rodney Hood shot above 40% from almost every spot on the floor in Utah and he’s very young. Some guys take some time to get mentally right and figure out how to deal with playoff basketball. Victor Oladipo looked like a gigantic bust and now he’s an All-NBA player just like that. I think Cedi could do for us what PJ Tucker is doing for the Rockets right now. The Cavs have… Read more »
We also can’t forget the fact that Hood is a brand new father to twins. We have no idea what his mental state is like and how uprooting his life from Utah to Cleveland with a soon-to-be baby mama impacted his emotional and mental well-being. Not to mention that if we DO actually get a new coach, there is no reason to think that a number 8 pick can’t be groomed into an effective piece come next June. Not to mention the possibility of trading the pick when any number of teams decide to blow it up this summer. It’s… Read more »
I guess this is my point – take Lebron off the Cavs and look at all the teams in the NBA. Which are best poised to win a chip? Which are just a Lebron away from being favorites? The Cavs, without Lebron, are probably not a top ten team in the League. We have the worst salary cap situation in the league, even without Lebron’s contract. We have no significant assets to improve by trade, unless a team gives in to a star demand to be traded to the Cavs (unlikely). We have the 8th pick, no pick next year,… Read more »
I don’t know, man. I don’t think it’s as clear as that in terms of other teams offering better chances. We’ve talked ad nauseum about this and the fact is, it’s not a clear choice. There are arguments to be made for almost every team in the league, including the Cavs. If the difference is indeed that minimal, then LeBron’s affinity for CLE, I would imagine would actually be plenty to carry the day. We’ve talked about Houston who has CP3 and Harden. CP3 could start to fall off in production at any point and is a ball dominate point… Read more »
Other options include Miami, Milwaukee (Giannis has the same problem as Simmons), Boston could probably make it work but c’mon, no way. Maybe the Spurs make a play but is LeBron willing to give up control for the first time in 15 seasons to play in a true system for the very first time? Just don’t see it happening. There are other options, sure, but when you consider what it would take to get LeBron there, it really culls the field quite a bit. All of this is just to reiterate my main point. It’s just not as clear cut… Read more »
I’m not saying anyone of those options are right or wrong, I’m just saying there isn’t much incentive for him to stay basketball wise, particularly if he doesn’t like Gilbert, which has become pretty clear. If he stays its because he likes being home. It won’t be because the Cavs offer him the best chance at a ring. They don’t, and every other team in the league, including Golden Freaking State, would trade their best player for him.
Here are the teams that were above .500 – Houston Rockets Toronto Raptors Golden State Warriors Boston Celtics Philadelphia 76ers Cleveland Cavaliers Portland Trail Blazers Oklahoma City Thunder Utah Jazz Indiana Pacers New Orleans Pelicans San Antonio Spurs Minnesota Timberwolves Denver Nuggets Miami Heat Milwaukee Bucks Washington Wizards LA Clippers If Lebron had no ties to Northeast Ohio, I count at least 9 teams that would give him a better chance of a title – Houston, Toronto, GS, Boston, Philly, Utah, Indiana, NO, SA, These teams are probably about as close as Cavs, but better positioned in the future to… Read more »
A freaking men.