From Distance: Kyle Be Gone?
2018-07-20four point play….
1. Are the Cavaliers going to compete for the 2019 playoffs, or will Dan Gilbert and Koby Altman do their best to subtly keep their Top 10 protected first round pick? The more I have thought about it over the summer, the more I have quietly hoped that the Cavs would grit, grind, and shoot their way to an 8th seed.
A lineup featuring George Hill, Cedi Osman, Kyle Korver, Kevin Love, and Larry Nance has the intellect, shooting, and defensive acumen to be a tough first round opponent. Love and Korver would do their screen dance while Nance and Cedi dope fools on hard baseline action. Love and Nance could own the offensive glass, and Osman’s unleashed PnR game would open cross-court three bombs from Kyle Korver.
Alas, the rumors of a Kyle Korver for Jarrd Bayless swap with the Sixers quickly aroused me from my optimistic daydreaming. The trade seems to already be agreed upon and is only being postponed for accounting reasons. Sure, the deal could fall through, but the rumor has already done enough to clarify the Cavs’ intentions.
There is no world in which Jarrd Bayless is a better player than Kyle Korver. Even if the Sixers are willing to include a reasonably valuable pick, this trade screams “we do right by our veterans” with a pinch of “Hey, Koby! Who’s the smallest ball dominant shooting guard out there who shows just enough to get people excited, but is ultimately a negative player?” Mr. Gilbert, may I present to you one Jerryd Bayless!
Really, it’s a solid move if you are looking to tank. The Cavs probably should be looking to lose for all the reasons we have discussed. It’s just a drag.
Cavs fans have allowed themselves to be delusional following LeBron’s departures. While there is absolutely more talent on the roster this time around, the coaching staff could be equally putrid. The player selection philosophy remains flawed, and the East isn’t the garbage pit that many would like to believe.
We can use this time to imagine a season in which Ty Lue shows his true colors as a leader of men, a season featuring our beloved Cedi Osman at 35 mpg, Kevin Love rocking 25, 14, and five assists, Larry Nance drilling corner threes and rim-rocking dudes at the cup, and Collin Sexton sliding his heels on the defensive end.
It is a possible scenario, if unlikely. There is a path for this team to win 45 plus games if everything were to go correctly. A coherent offensive and defensive system might actually mitigate the train wreck that is Jordan Clarkson’s decision making.
Look. It’s July. We should be optimistic now. Even we pragmatists can enjoy a theoretical successful future. It’s just that we should be sure to read the writing on the wall, in whatever font it may appear.
2. One team that clearly decided against the tanking route is the San Antonio Spurs. It would be lovely to say that the drama involving Kawhi Leonard is finally over following the trade that sent him and Danny Green to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Pöltl, and a protected first round pick. Of course it isn’t.
The NBA media still hasn’t heard a word from the Leonard in ages. “Sources” only say that he doesn’t want to play for the Raptors. Regardless, it seems highly unlikely that Leonard would forfeit his salary in order to sit out. The Raptors can simply fine him without any goodwill to lose. At this point, Leonard has to play, and play well, to salvage his reputation around the league.
No matter what, the guy will again be offered a large contract in the NBA. It just won’t be a Max unless he gets his house in order.
If he does, I like the trade for both teams. The Spurs weren’t being offered any of their targeted young players. Brandon Ingram was off the table for some time. Some say he was never on the table at all. The Sixers were never going to part with Ben Simmons, Joel Embiid, or even Markelle Fultz.
One could argue that the Sixers were being ridiculous by not including Fultz, but they know more about the young man than anyone. Many around the league expect him to explode this season. I’m rather dubious of a legitimate explosion, but if Fultz can lose the Yips, he’s got a chance. Dude is extremely talented.
Apparently, the Celtics were never in serious talks with the Spurs. That leaves very few blue-chip prospects to be had. “Then they should have traded for picks and sent him to a bad team!”
Tell me which awful team is going to sacrifice its pick for a guy who clearly states that he wants to go to L.A.. And tell me how the Spurs could benefit from the “awful team’s pick” if that team gains an MVP talent on their roster. All of a sudden, that pick isn’t so high.
Basically, the Spurs were out of great options and left with only decent ones. They have been trying to get out from under Danny Green’s contract for some time. Both Green and the Spurs were eager to move on. They accomplished that without actively antagonizing Green.
Acquiring DeMar DeRozan and Pöltl immediately upgrades their roster. Remember, Leonard only played nine games last season. Green is a much better defender than DeRozan, but even the harshest DeRozan critics don’t truly believe Green is the better player (it could have been a conversation five years ago). Pöltl is a very talented and smart defender. Offensively, he is an agile roller and adequate passer.
If both players are healthy, DeMar is nowhere near the player Leonard is. One forgets just how dominant Kawhi was in 2016-2017. Had he not gotten injured against the Dubs, the current NBA landscape likely looks very different. His Spurs consistently destroyed much of what the Dubs like to do. He was absolutely the best player on that floor before he was Zaza-ed.
Still, much of Leonard’s success can be traced back to his incredible work ethic combined with supreme coaching. DeMar also has a great work ethic (he doesn’t approach Leonard’s on-court tenacity, but he does work his game hard every off-season), though DeRozan has never had the Spurs’ shot doctor, Chip Engelland at his disposal.
Considering DeMar is a supreme mid-range shooter, I find it hard to believe that Engelland can’t help him improve greatly in the one area of his offensive game that is lacking, the three ball.
Defensively, the Spurs have shown an ability to plug just about anybody into their system with good results. Team defense is pretty darn easy when everyone knows exactly what they are suppose to do. The Spurs don’t leave that to chance. While other coaching staffs forego practice on a regular basis, the Spurs practice and get their players rest by sitting them out for games. Argue against that philosophy if you want, but it has resulted in winning basketball.
It will be interesting to see how LaMarcus Aldridge reacts to the new offensive totem pole. There is likely to be some annoyance as they try to mesh their games. Annoyance or not, the Spurs will win 50 games. Again.
3. The Raptors side of this is both a larger gamble, but relatively low risk. That doesn’t make a lot of sense on the surface, but basically the Raptors now have a championship ceiling that they didn’t have before. Whether Nick Nurse is up to the task or not remains to be seen.
The huge win for the Raptors, beyond the potential of a fully engaged MVP season from Leonard, is that they didn’t have to part with OG Anunoby or Pascal Siakam. Let’s assume those guys continue their development as shooters and elite defenders. A lineup of Lowry, Green, Leonard, Anunoby, and Siakam could legitimately match-up with any small ball unit in the NBA, including the Warriors’
Worst case scenario for the Raptors is that Leonard doesn’t play for whatever reason he can come up with, and he leaves in the off-season. DeRozan was probably overpaid as a Raptor. Opening up that salary isn’t the worst idea idea in the world.
I sincerely hope Leonard conquers whatever injury and/or weirdness that has dogged him this last year. I’d much rather cheer from the Raptors in the NBA Finals than the Boston Celtics. Of course, if the previously mentioned trade goes through, we might find ourselves cheering for Kyle Korver’s Sixers.
4. Since I’ve already used the umlaut with Pöltl, I probably should make a quick reference to the Dennis Schöder trade to the OKC Thunder. On one hand, it could be nice for Dennis to run with some real talent for the first time since his rookie year. On the other hand, every skilled ball-handler who plays on a roster with Russell Westbrook gets tossed into obscurity.
If the Thunder can find a way to actually give Dennis the rock, the NBA might be in for a surprise. There is potential for the Thunder to simply let Dennis play like Russell. He could end up dropping 18 ppg off the bench.
Unfortunately, it is more likely that Schröder is just marginalized like every other secondary point guard that Russ has played with.
It’s an easy move for the Thunder. Ditching Carmelo Anthony’s contract while actually acquiring a talented player is a huge victory. Let’s be real. Ditching Anthony’s contract was already a huge victory.
Quickie:
What’s going on with K.J. McDaniels? Can Altman finally make Nate and me happy? If the Cavs aren’t going to win a lot, they will need to at least have some entertaining high flyers. Who’s your random Cavs dream guy you have loved for years?
The Lakers and Spurs are also interested in Nwaba, but I’m not sure how many minutes he’d get with the Lakers, and the Cavs May offer him more.
Tribe doing batting practice against the Rangers.
Sexton, Scootchie, Clarkson
Hill, J.R., Korver, Holland
Osman, Hood, Nwaba
Love, Frye
Nance, TT, Zizik
2-Way: Preston, Bonzie
I like your roster.
If Korver, JR, Hill, or TT get dealt, perhaps room for Artis or Lee.
Scoochie is nice but I have serious doubts about any nba abilities.
Well I forgot about White, so you could flip the 2.
Flip tt with zizic and Smith with Korver if you are actually trying to win.
Yeah, that would be nice. But if I’m betting, Lue will probably start this lineup:
Hill, JR, Hood, Love, TT
Bench:
Sexton, Korver, Osman, Frye, Nance
Holding back vomit.
At least to start the season. But midway through, I expect Korver to be traded, and maybe J.R. too.
Also play Clarkson big minutes to see if you can inflate his value and dupe another team into giving up a pick.
Cavs and David Nwaba have mutual interest
Per the report, Nwaba has interest in joining the Cavs. The 25-year-old appeared in 70 games this past season for the Bulls and averaged 7.9 points, 4.7 assists and 1.5 assists, shooting 47.8 percent from the field and 34.6 percent from three.
Good grab
I’d be okay with Nwaba!
Me, too. He can play both ends. Bit raw offensively. Other than Cedi, we don’t have appealing young wing options (Clarkson/Hood).
agreed—don’t sign players / free agents —‘just to say we signed somebody ‘—invest your money wisely
No thanks!
That’s awful.
Scootchie Smith invited to Cavs training camp –
His play earned Smith an invitation to the Cavaliers’ training camp. However, he is reportedly “weighing his options” in regards to next season, according to a report by David Jablonski of the Dayton Daily News, though he would probably accept the invitation.
Go Scoochie Go!
all in for pursuing kj mcdaniels / liked him coming out of college
Spurs: Murray, DeRozan, Gay, Aldridge, Pau.
–Mills, Manu, Walker, Marco, Bertrans, Cunningham, Poetl.
Pels: Holiday, Moore, Hill, Randle, AD
–Payton, Liggins, Miller, Mirotic, Okafor.
Por: Lillard, McCollum, Harkless, Aminu, Nurkic. –Curry, Stauskas (Trent Jr, Simmons), Turner, Leonard, Collins.
LA: Rondo, KCP, James, Kuzma, McGee
–Ball (inj), Hart, Lance, Ingram, Beasley, Wagner/Zubac.
Grizz: Conley, Temple, Anderson, JJJ, Gasol
–Harrison, Carter, Seldon, Brooks, Casspi, Martin, Green.
Dallas: Smith, Doncic, Barnes, Dirk, DJ.
–Barea, Brunson, Mathews, Finney-Smith, Kleber, Freak Jr.
Starting Vs + subs out west. Rosters a work in progress for some. Dubs: Curry, Klay, KD, Green, Looney –Cook, Liv, Iggy, Evans, Bell, Boogie (inj) Hou: Paul, Harden, Tucker, Melo, Capela –MCW, Gordon, Green, Anderson, Nene OKC: Russ, Roberson, PG13, Grant, Adams –Schroeder, Felton, Brewer, Patterson, Noel Min: Teague, Wiggins, Butler, Gibson, KAT –Rose, Jones, Bates-Diop, Tolliver, Dieng Den: Murray, Harris, Barton, Milsap, Jokic –IT, Craig, Porter (inj), Lyles, Plumblee Jazz: Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Favors, Gobert –Exum, Allen, Burks, Thabo, Crowder, Udoh I feel pretty good about all those teams making the POs. Pels, Spurs, Blazers, Lakers, & Grizz… Read more »
dubs going to start Damian Jones to start the season.
Still can’t figure the Melo deal. Why? Just why? Also see below. Still possible that Wolves patch up relationship between Butler and Towns, but I am not holding my breath. He was the engine for that team’s success last year. They struggled without him posting a 10 and 13 record when he did not dress. If he does demand a trade, they are screwed. I don’t see the grizz challenging. I know they were tanking, but they aren’t exactly as strong as they once were. Not sure Gasol and Conley are the same players. Anderson is a nice pickup but… Read more »
Cody Allen blows another save with back-to-back home runs.
I am not convinced the Lakers make the playoffs. Not sure they are a 50 win team out west. These teams are: GSW, Hou, OKC, Minny, Denver. These teams are close: Utah, Spurs, Pelicans. That is 8. Lakers, Blazers, & Grizz are all contenders.
If Bron coasts for 25 minutes a night, they won’t make it.
Depends on if Ingram and Kuzma make another leap (likely I think). I think Ingram is headed for stardom and I think Kuzma will be a strong third option for years to come I think. If Rondo and Lance play the d they are capable of playing (playoff type d) and the rest of the mood crew performs up to snuff I think they are guaranteed to slot in somewhere between the 5th and 8th seed. Ball could even bust but I don’t think it matters. He is out anyway for awhile I think. As to shooting, KCP shot 38%… Read more »
I think the Spurs will struggle to make the playoffs and I certainly don’t think the grizzlies will be near the playoffs. Minny probably gets rid of Butler and is way overrated because as Butler and Thibs have learned, the young guys are allergic to d. Utah will probably be good, but I don’t think NO will be as good this year.
Actually I forgot they got Bellinelli. Spurs have a good starting five and a mediocre bench. They probably compete for the 7th-8th seed.
The Spurs won 48/49 last year with Kawhi playing 9 games. DeRozan + Bellinelli is an upgrade from Green + not Kawhi. They will haver in 45-50 win zone.
Minny won 50 last year with Butler missing a chunk. They win 50 easy. Ditto Denver & Millsap.
I think Butler will be traded. He doesn’t want to be there as there are strong indications he is fed up with the kids (Towns and Wiggins) lack of caring. The wolves struggled after Butler went down.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/early-lead/wp/2018/07/04/report-jimmy-butler-all-but-fed-up-with-timberwolves-wants-to-team-with-kyrie-irving/
Thibs is the GM in Minny. No. Way. In. Hell. he trades Butler. He’d trade KAT first.
Ah, didn’t know that. I am sure he will do his best to patch it up then. Still, Butler seems fed up as heck. If Butler is, Thibs is probably losing his mind with KAT.
Not arguing on Denver. I don’t think Memphis challenges for a spot and NO may not be as good. Minny won’t if Butler forces a trade. Expiring in 2020. Player option next summer. He has already refused a Max four year extension. He is gone next summer and therefore likely by the trade deadline.
Bet they do.
Lebron makes playoffs with ohio state’s roster.
Agree with Joeyb
The Tribe should bring Choo back to Cleveland.
A left handed poor defensive outfielder? All stocked up for now.
I don’t think he’s poor defensively. And he’s an all-star. If the Rangers are willing to eat some of his contract, I would consider it, for some lower level prospects.
HaHa.
I’d like to figure out a way to get Clint Frazier back from the Yanks. They have too many outfielders.
Need bullpen help more than anything
didn’t yogi sign with the kings ?
He agreed to a deal with the Mavs, then backed out & signed with Sacramento.
I am in with McDaniels. Offer him a contract.
The Indians season officially starts now. 😂
I like beasley for the Lakers. Another good shooter. That team is stopping no one.
I post a link below, waiting for moderation. Basically, the Cavs are interested in Yogi Ferrell.
Wow the lakers keep on adding some potential ” lockerroom explosives “—signed Michael Beasley —-it could all work out for them /l LeBron—or it could IMPLODE BIG TIME —–TIME WILL TELL —I AM ROOTING FOR ‘IMPLOSION !!
The LA LeDrama-Queens!
agree with SIMMO—-FREE THE VETS FROM THE REBUILD ( UNLESS THEY TRULY WANT TO BE PART OF IT —KLOVE SIGN A NEW CONTRACT )—OTHERWISE “CUT THE CORD “—GO YOUNG ——SUPPORT SOME EXCITING “HARD FOUGHT ‘ WINS BY YOUNG / HUNGRY PLAYERS WHO WANT TO GROW TOETHER TO BE ‘ SOMETHING SPECIOAL ‘/ PUT THEIR ‘ OWN SIGNATURE ‘ ON THIS FRANCHISE ——-GUMMY BEAR WHERE ARE YOU—COME BACK GUMMY BEAR —-JUST KIDDING—-WOULD WELCOME BACK DELLY WITH THIS GROUP —–COULD YOU SEE HIM AND SEXTON TERRORIZING– ( OR AT LEAST GETTING UNDER OPPONENTS SKIN ) IN A MEANINGLESSGAME IN JANUARY
With LeBron leaving money on the table to play for LA, and other players leaving money on the table to play/form superteams, do you think owners will use that to push for a hard cap?
Maybe but I doubt the player’s association will go for it.
No, and I bet there’s a work stoppage because of it.
If it’s a straight swap – KK for Bayless – that’s a stupid deal that nets us nothing. A total waste.
No way is it a straight swap.
Any more details come up?
If do this trade and collect a couple first rounders if Norman Powell’s contract weren’t so bad.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8anvzpw
I don’t know why Masai Uriji gets such a pass. That guy has written some godawful contracts.
That Powell contract is one of the NBA’s worst. 4 years left at over 40. mil.
Anybody else impressed by Atlanta trade? I thought they would have to package a pick or something to get rid of Schroeder, but instead they turned him into a 1st round pick. I mean, they had to eat an extra 10-15 mil. from Melo’s contract, but still… We should hope that the Cavs can pull off something that shrewd with Korver, JR and Hill.
What, no au revoir? – KJ : was motivated to perform, like the rest of his team. But apart from that, it’s another reason to not write a player off until the last half of their career at least. “Kids” can get it together, sometimes it’s as simple as finding the right mentor/coach figure (not always from their club) to tap the right part of their brain. – Altman is unlikely to make you both happy if Cavs are in tank mode. Noone, including Altman, would expect otherwise. – If we only want the Cavs to scrape a few exciting… Read more »
I thought Harris re-upped with the Nets already?
For sure. Summer league finals MVP McDaniels would be a better get than Rodney Hood. There are a ton of decent summer league guys like Christian Wood worth a flyer. Muscala went to Philly. He’s my random dude. Love to get Philly’s Richaun Holmes, LA’s Tyler Ennis is available after a bad year last year. Honestly, if the Cavs want to low key compete, sign Michael Beasley for bench scoring over Rodney Hood. That guy was a super scorer last two years and can’t get a sniff. Must be a weirdo still.
If you’re tanking though. Rodney Hood is a get
Hey now Nate. With the pressure off, he might just become a killer….
And yes, I vould see a best case scenario 8th seed for the team as constructed. But that just slows the rebuild.
Rooting for laundry. Yay!
Just being realistic.
Of course, I do not know what Love’s intentions are. If he was willing to sign an extension, I would rework things.
In any case, however, we should try to turn Korver into a pick. Though waiting for in season desperation could yield more.
Korver should mot have to stay on for a rebuild. Let him go chase a ring if we can get an asset. Hopefully a pick.
I’d be okay with getting an asset or pick(s). Getting just Bayless doesn’t move the needle for me. And I’d be pretty disappointed, especially with all the picks the Sixers have.
Agree wholeheartedly.
It sounds like they would buy out Bayless if they do this player swap. But I’m with you Ben, I talked myself into some excitement of a team competing for the 8th seed.