Preseason Recap: Pistons 129, Cavs 110 (or, Waxed)
2018-10-13Dan Gilbert once famously offered the Cavaliers coaching job to Tom Izzo. Maybe he should have tried Wax Tom Izzo instead… On second thought, nah… too creepy. After seeing multiple cut aways to Austin Carr and others posing at the strangest wax museum in sports (which exists inside the Breslin Center on the campus of Michigan State University in East Lansing) during the Cavs’ preseason finale against the Pistons, I’ve officially had my fill of paraffin Spartans.
Ah yes, the NBA preseason… where neutral courts, strange lineups and local color reign supreme. And now, after the blissfully shortest exhibition season on record… it’s in the rearview. Bring on the games that count! Let’s see what this team really looks like going forward… because the focus was still a bit blurry the last few practice games, and this one did little to sharpen the view.
This recap will be a little stream-of-consciousness, flowing like so much hot wax around the sneakers of Cavalier defenders who melted down under the molten rocks Detroit was flinging from the perimeter for most of the evening. As I mentioned on the live thread earlier… allowing a team to go 21-45 from deep is a good way to lose by double digits. Although, the Cavs managed to keep this one competitive for most of three quarters before they got their candles blown out.
The fundamental flaw from the start, however, was the decision to have Sam Dekker try and guard Blake Griffin. I mean, sure, with Kevin Love and Larry Nance, Jr. out nursing minor foot and ankle soreness respectively, somebody had to step up, but Dekker? That’s like asking a Segway to guard a bulldozer. Why not start Tristan Thompson on Griffin to at least make him work a little… especially since Ty Lue made the bold choice to put the more offensive-minded Ante Zizic on Andre Drummond?
No surprise then that Griffin Blaked his way to 29 points (with five assists and three boards) on 11-17 shooting in just 26 minutes. He went over, around and through Dekker, even holding down the x button almost too long on his 3-4 effort from beyond the arc. Between that, Drummond tipping the ball to himself for multiple rebounds, and Reggie Jackson blow torching a few triples, the Pistons put the Cavs in the position of playing catch up all game long.
On the positive end of things, the throwback Jazz pairing of Rodney Hood and George Hill in the starting back court actually looked the best it has all preseason. H&H were both aggressive with the ball early and wound up tallying double digits on the night. Hill stroked a few threes and shot an efficient 5-9 for 14 points, to go with four boards, two assists and a nifty steal. Even though not a lot of Hood’s shots went down (just 4-13 from the field), he did a terrific job drawing contact, getting to the line to go 11-12. He led the team with 21 points, and added four boards just to spite Nate.
The aforementioned Zizic and Thompson also reached double digits as they did what they could to balance out Griffin and Drummond up front. Ante didn’t miss any of his four shots on his way to 11 points and eight boards in 20 minutes. The Z Train finished the preseason shooting an insane 88% from the field (15-17), which begs the question… why didn’t his teammates get him more shots? TT also had maybe his best game of the silly season with 13 points and nine boards in 22 minutes. He did surprising things too, like dish a couple of assists and dribble into a sweet jump shot. More importantly, he finally looks like he’s fully over last season’s nagging injuries.
David Nwaba was also a surprise starter (in place of Cedi Osman who was also being held out for precautionary ankle tweakage), and he produced a mixed bag of commentariat reviews. Some felt his offense was shaky, and it was at times. Others pointed out his hustle on the defensive end, which allowed him to finish as the only Cav in positive plus/minus (+5). He did manage four boards, three assists and a block to round out a fairly active night. And, while Nwaba probably isn’t starter material, he should be able to provide some punch and energy off the bench behind Cedi and Hood.
On a less positive note, let’s hope Jordan Clarkson isn’t rubbing off too much on Collin Sexton. Both guards came off the bench, and both were pretty cold shooting the ball (4-10 for Sexton, 4-11 for Clarkson) notching exactly eight points a piece. Neither seemed to get the offense into a flow early on either. The difference ultimately, was that Sexton started looking to set his team mates up (a team high five assists), while JC seemed to still be working on dribbling without looking at the ball. He did still have two dimes, including one underneath the hoop to TT which was a fun surprise. The lesson Ty should glean from this game, however, is that this pairing does not do what Nate said Jim Chones advertised… “Listening on the radio on my way home from work. Jim Jones just said that Sexton and Clarkson is a backcourt that will make your mouth water.” Actually, Nate, I think Jim Jones said “Drink the Kool Aid” which is probably what Ty has already done…
I’d love to say that this game went a long way in separating the wheat from the chaff in the race for the final roster spot/two-way deals, but Dwane Casey kinda ruined that plan by riding his regular rotation players in a meaningless game. Hard to tell who’s got an edge when the opponents are racing up and down the floor and launching three balls with no compunction nor conscience. Congrats to Ish Smith and Langston Galloway for having career nights in a game nobody will remember. Congrats to the Pistons bench for celebrating like they just won Game 7. Congrats to Dwane Casey for narrowly averting disaster when Andre Drummond caught a Jordan Clarkson elbow to the windpipe in his 35th minute of play… in a preseason game.
“Lol. Pistons starters flexing on the the Cavs bench. Duane Casey is the king of winning meaningless games.” — Nate Smith
Yes, the Pistons had an excellent night from downtown. They waxed the Cavs’ perimeter defense, which was fairly non-existent for most of the night anyway. I’d say Mike Longabardi has his work cut out for him… but that implies that Mike Longabardi actually works… or is even capable of constructing a defense that works… ever. Someone remind me how this guy has a job again?
I’d like to see more of Bonzie Colson. He was decently active in his six minutes of play. I’d like to see more of Billy Preston and Ike Taylor too, but they were both held out and Taylor could miss a while with a stress fracture. I guess I’d need to see a bit more of Emanual Terry before passing judgment, but I’ve seen enough of Kobi Simmons and John Holland. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Cavs hang onto Holland over Colson, but I’d certainly be disappointed. In the end, none of these guys is likely going to get any playing time, barring injury or massive deadline trades.
All that said, I’m not sure we’re any closer to seeing the full picture on this Cavs team just yet. Core guys like Kevin Love, Cedi Osman and Larry Nance got very limited run given minor injury and precaution. They’ll likely be a work in progress on both sides of the ball for much of the regular season. It’s very possible they can find a chemistry that works as the young guys progress around the one All Star that remains, and they could surprise some teams… especially in the first half of the season. However, it’s equally possible that they meltdown under the heat of the improved competition of the East.
Like any good wax figure, it’ll sometimes be tough to determine whether or not the Cavs are the real thing or just a reasonable facsimile. Unlike with a wax figure, it should be more fun than creepy to find out.
See you in Toronto!
GO CAVS!
BUCKEYES JUMP UP TO # 2 IN RANKING——–PREDICTION—-( HOPE I AM DEAD WRONG )——UPSET PLAYING PURDUE THIS WEEKEND —–START OF THE SEASON THIS GAME SEEMED LIKE ANOTHER BUCKEYE BLOW OUT —-BUT PURDUE IS PLAYING DAMN GOOD BALL THE LAST 3 WEEKS / VERY POTENT OFFENSE / PLAYING AT HOME AGAINST THE # 2 RANKED TEAM ——BUCKEYES ALWAYS PLAY TERRIBLE THERE = UPSET
we almost never blow purdue out when we are at home. We literally never blow them out at purdue. we often struggle in night games against big ten competition. Unfortunately…i think you’re at least on trend.
that said…it would not surprise me one bit if Michigan was the team that messes up our season rather than purdue this year. I give us a 50% chance to win at purdue pending injury comebacks. I give us a 25% chance of winning out though. We’re not as good as our record indicates because we don’t have a great set of linebackers.
AGREE WITH ALL 8 —–MIGHT HAVE TO SEE HOW SEASON PROGRESSES / REGRESSES ON NUMBER 1
Goals for the year:
1) Keep the ATL pick
2) Get Lue fired
3) Get Longabardi fired
4) Develop Sexton, Cedi, LNJ, & Zizic
5) Get some return on Korver, Hill, JR
6) See if Hood & Clarkson can be salvaged
7) Develop Preston
8) Use the back end of the roster wisely
Would much rather make the playoffs this year and have atlanta have a mediocre pick in 2019 which by all accounts is a pretty meh draft.
I’m with Nate on #1, all else I’m cool with you Jason.
Save for the Duke guys.
I am torn on 1 and 2. Would be nice if lue actually turned out to be a decent coach. Longibardi unfortunately isn’t likely going anywhere if lue isn’t. If Lue does a great job, they likley will sneak into the 7th to 8th seed. If not, they do need to find a way to keep that pick. I don’t think tanking to start is good. But if that last month or two they aren’t in the race…. If the Cavs don’t look in the race for the playoffs by mid January, I think you dump most of the vets… Read more »
#2 isn’t compatible with #s 4, 6, 7 and 8, is it? I’m on board for these if they are all able to happen…especially #4 and #5, but I’ll be honest…#5 is the most important regardless of what happens. The Atlanta pick is far less valuable than the possible options you get from Korver and Hill. JR is not bringin much back unless he is shooting 40% from three. At the moment he refuses to even shoot them for the most part, so I’m not sure he (or TT for that matter) have any value this year on the trade… Read more »
Everything I think the Cavs can do right this year is tamped by the idea that we have Ole Lue&Longabardi double teaming the sidelines. I genuinely think we have the pieces to be in the playoffs in the east this year. and we have too many pieces (barring a substantial Love injury) to be a bottom feeder. How many more years is Lue under contract for?
Through 2019 or 2020? And ironically…this is the perfect squad for a David Blatt type coach.
I am not sure what to expect of Lue. Probably not a great showing, but out of the hold of LBJ, maybe something changes.
Longibardi on the other hand. If he has always been in charge of defensive game planning and prep, he should be gone.
Mayfield having a terrible rookie game while Rivers torches the Browns d. Mayfield’s ankle tweak affecting him probably.
I’m not even watching the game but I can guarantee you Williams’ defensive calls are to blitz Rivers, which is exactly what Rivers wants, and the D will be torched. I can also guarantee you that Haley will call too many passes and fail to use his decent running game to support his QB with no healthy receivers, which plays exactly into San Diego’s hands because they suck at defending the run. How close am I?
Pretty damn close. Browns also can’t stop runs to the edge. Williams scheme getting exposed. But there also hasn’t been great execution. Really just a complete domination by the chargers offense. Think the Browns sort of gave up on d in the third. Some bad calls favoring the chargers too. Offense has been bad. Mayfield has been bad, but he was always going to have some games like this, but the receiving core is decimated. And guys are dropping passes. Some of those passes I think haven’t been great balls. And Haley is bad. Really bad. Some of the stuff… Read more »
Boy Haley could be the worst red zone coordinator in the nfl. Just so much cute trick plays. At least they got one to this game though on a nice catch by njoku.
Td
Also not sure I have seen this kind of complete domination in the run game. Browns can’t tackle. Yeesh something like 240 years on 27 carries. Almost 10 ypc. Wild. Some of that is the Browns d sort of checked out, but the chargers were dominating before that.
https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/1051491935528075264?s=20
This is everything that is wrong with 1st world countries.
Bucks waive Tyler Zeller to keep Christian Wood. The Bucks could be in the Finals if they get some shooting. I’m betting on them being the most likely destination for Korver. They have the best player in the Eastern Conference.
OKC also makes some sense. Or even Houston. If Tatum/Brown/Rozier/Horford all come down to earth a bit from deep, Boston could use some shooting.
I don’t get what the Cavs are doing (see my rebuttal on undrsfted/g-leaguers below) but whatevs. Maybe they can hang onto Colson. Like I said. He seemed a better backup 4 than Dekker.
Ted Stepien would have loved Dekker
I don’t mind colson. I dunno if you can judge that he will be an nba caliber player based off a few minutes of preseason. Though my definition of nba caliber player is basically guys 1-10 or 1-11 in most teams rotation. The last four to five on a roster usually don’t seem like they will be plus contributors. There are exceptions on stacked teams.
DUBS WAIVE PT GD TYLER ULIS—–SHOULD CAVS PURSUE / PICK UP ?
God. No. No one tell Dan Gilbert another five-foot-nine point guard is available.
Should we tell him Kay Felder is available?
https://twitter.com/TheRealJRSmith/status/1051285811294035970?s=20
Good cap.
Do not get the waives. Holland os OK but a 30 year old two way player for a rebuilding team makes mo sense. Ditto cutting Bonzi AND Taylor. Hopefully Bonzi lands in Canton and gets a call once vets get traded.
Hope we have our eyes on a claim for #15.
Thanks for the recap, EG. I’m convinced that the image of a wax Tom Izzo will be featured prominently in one of my future nightmares. Oh, and that wax statuette of Longabardi looks remarkably realistic. How did they do that?
AGREE ARCH—-SOME OTHER —( INTELLIGENT TEAM )—–COULD / PROBABLY WILL PICK UP BONZI ——THEN I WILL BE REALLY BUMMED —( MORE “FORMAL WAY OF SAYING —“PISSED ” )
AMICO HOOPS SAYING BOTH —BONZI AND “E.T/ SCARY TERRY “—WILL PROBABLY BE PLAYING IN CANTON——HOPE SO !!!
Yeah but it doesn’t mean that we have their rights.
SO YOU ARE ALLOWED 15 MAN ROSTER –SO WHY NOT KEEP A “BONZI” AND SEE/ WATCH HIM DEVELOP……………ALOT OF MAJOR NCAA FOOTBALL POWERS STRUGGLED TODAY——WHO HAD THE “UGLIER ‘ WIN —- THE BUCKS OR NOTRE DAME —I SAY THE IRISH WHO BARELY GOT BY PITT– -( LAST 5 MIN’S )——-NEXT WEEK–( UNLESS THE BUCKS CAN CLEAN UP SOME THINGS )—MIGHT BE THAT “TRAP ” GAME VS PURDUE
I have a feeling this is going to be another frustrating season. I think the Cavs win 35 games, are out of the playoffs, and out of the draft. But Dan Gilbert will be offering a fireside chat with someone (semi-notable), from Detroit, and he will give out free copies of his “Dan Gilbert ‘isms’” book.
Oh, also, Richard Jefferson retired. Bet his last few years were more fun than he ever expected.
The goat!
John Holland stinks. He’s basically the next Jordan McRae. Also, Jordan Clarkson is the next Jordan McRae!
You can never have too many Jordan McCrae’s when you’re gunning for the Eastern Conference…
Other than Hassan Whiteside, who is not great in today’s pointlessly guard/wing favored nba, how many other g league guys can you name that are actually not terrible rotation players? Did Danny Green spend time in the g league..? Maybe, can’t remember. Almost no guys who are second rounders or undrafted will actually be good enough in practice to warrant playing them over established players. Delly? Great. But more a positive culture presence/practice guy than a playoff rotation guy. Oh gs 2015 up 2-1. Yeah sure, but had as much to do with the other defenders and LBJ’s grind out… Read more »
My rant on g league or summer league guys. Sorry don’t get your hopes up/hyped.
Robert Covington, Ron Baker, Fred VanVleet, Yogi Ferrel, Hassan Whiteside, Salah Mejri, Spencer Dinwiddie, Kent Bazemore, Chris Anderson, John starks, Chucky Atkins, Mike James, Darrell Armstrong, David Wesley, Anthony Morrow, Bruce Bowen, Ben Wallace, Raja Bell, Wes Matthews, JJ Barea, Jeremy Lin, Delly, Brad Miller, Avery Johnson… Guys who went undrafted and/or came up through the G-league. Its going to happen more and more as more schools get access to recruits and the training flattens out.
Also Mikey Moore…
Fair enough. Though a number of those guys I wouldn’t say had much of an nba career. Or they might have stuck around, but they sure as heck weren’t good players. Ferrel, Anderson, and Mejri are you may as well throw off that list. Ferrell, ok he has spent three years, but is 25 and I wouldn’t consider him that useful for a playoff team. Mejri barely has played meaningful minutes. Birdman was never good. Don’t care he could block shots. You could have had a cardboard statue at center on those Miami teams. I would say since in thirty… Read more »
The Cavs are going with 14, so they didn’t have to waive Colson. Corby strikes again!
AND YES I AM PUZZLED ABOUT KEEPING HOLLAND—HE HAS MAXED OUT IS POTETIAL—WE ARE NOT GOING TO THE NBA FINALS—GO WITH YOUTH / ATHLETICISM / POTENTIAL
I TOO AM BUMMED ABOUT BONZI—UNLESS THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT HIS HEALTH GOING FORWARD
Cavs waive Bonzie Colson, Kobi Simmons, Emanuel Terry, and Isaiah Taylor. Bummer about Colson.
Why do we keep trying Holland? I dont understand this
I don’t get it, either…
If they keep Holland, that makes less sense. Still none of those guys will make any difference this year.
I mean it is highly unlikely that those guys were going to be NBA rotation guys. Colson would be nice to take a flyer on. Would be nice and more likely a nice story. However, how many g league guys are there, and how many ever actually get called up and prove they will be rotation players let alone good starters or bench players? The first two years of a guy’s college career and if they utterly dominate or have crazy athletic potential but are raw, are better signifiers. If by the first or end of the second year they… Read more »
WAS THIS THE BUCKEYES “TRAP ” GAME —OR ARE THERE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS WITH THEIR OVERALL DEFENSE AND OFFENSIVE RUN GAME —–EVEN WITH A “W” I SEE THEM SLIPPING IN THE POLLS
I think they have legit concerns with their defense and their O-Line/ run game. Minnesota is good enough to compete, but Ohio State has no business giving up that many busted plays and long gainers to them.
Didnt they have 6 or 7 key injuries this week?
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1051180989211451392?s=19
Laker fan, followed by Lebron fan. That they top Warrior fan tells you exactly how annoying those two are.
Agree, Lakers fans, then sunshine LBJ fans. Warriors fans really loved those Baron Davis, Steven Jackson, J Rich teams. I respect that, because so did I. Captain Jack is what dion should try to become. All the attitude in a more constructive output.
Heat fans
Nice recap EG! I think the biggest question is where will the Cavs get more PG help. They need it desperately IMO. Hill and Sexton are “scoring” PGs at their best. Clarkson will never be a PG no matter how much Lue disagrees. Hopefully the moves made with the vets will lead to an opportunity to trade/draft one.
I disagree on sexton. He’ll be a fine passer. Probably a better passer than scorer from what I’ve seen so far.
I don’t know if either of those guys will be able to get people consistently easy shots without love on the floor consistently this year. Sexton because h will be adjusting to the NBA defenses throughout the year and Hill because that is just not the type of guard he is. Hill is a system point or really a three and d guy.
He doesn’t need to be the “get people shots” guy. he needs to be the “get the team into their offense, attack in transition, and make the simple pass the offense calls for” guy
If there is an offense that can create shots without a dynamic playmaker…..even then somebody even in highly structured motion offenses has to be able to consistently break down the d in non ISO situations.
SHOULD BE DEFENSIVE
DID LONGABARDI GET PROMOTED TO DEENSIVE COORDINATOR FOR THE BUCKEYES —–GEEZ WTF !!!—-GO BUCKS
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1051162169717481472?s=20
This response is GENIUS…
https://twitter.com/FrogProtection/status/1051162837983350784
Also both this guy’s screen name and @ are genius as well…
That’s awesome.
Knick legend. Ring of Fame an absolute lock.
WILL SEND TY— (FOR CLARCKSON )–(-SOME OF MY ELEMETARY / GRADE SCHOOL BASKETBALL CAMPS )—TRANING / DRIBBLING GLASSES –( CAN’T SEE THE BALL WHEN YOU WEAR )—-UNFORTUNATELY “CPT BANDAGE ” WOULD USE THEM AS A FURTHER EXCUSE NOT TO SEE HIS TEAMMATES OPEN FOR A PASS——-COPY TO ” LONGENBURGERBASKETS ” –ELEMENTARY / JR HIGH DEFENSIVE DRILLS ——-30-35 WINS IS MY PREDICTION ——-COMPETE EVERY GAME / DEVELOP THE YOUNG PLAYERS ——-THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM MEANINGFUL MINUTES TY
I read some of your best lines to my family aloud. This recap cracked me up. Also… Is that really a wax (basketball edition) Zach Ephron?
I agree with you. No idea what this team will do under live fire. All I know is that Jordan Clarkson is one of the most infuriating players I’ve ever watched.
Glad you enjoyed! And yes, that is really a wax Zach Ephron… creepiest pic I could find…
YES — ( OR NO -DEPENDING ON YOUR INTERPRETATION )—-ON THE WAX DUMMIES —IZZO’ IS A REAL “HORROR ‘ SHOW —–YES TO MORE “ZZ”—–YES TO KEEP BONZI– (ROSTER )–PRESTON / “E.T.” TO GLEAGUE —-YES TO LESS DEKKER –( AND I WAS VERY OPTOMISTIC WHEN THEY SIGNED HIM ) AND MORE NWABA OR EVEN LNJ AS LOVE’S REPLACEMENT—- (BACK UP )—-ANTE/ T.T. / CHANNING SHARE POST DUTIES —-YES –TO OUR BELIEFS THAT TY / “LOGENBURGERBASKETS ” ARE NOT QUALITY NBA COACHES —–YES TO THE END OF THE PRE -SEASON —-“ALMOST ” READY FOR THE START OF THE REGULAR SEASON ——-YES TO… Read more »
What happened to your recovery from using all uppercase characters?
Starting lineup:
Hill/Sexton
Hood
Cedi
Love
Zz
Clarkson
JR
KK
TT
Nance
Where does everyone else fit?
Tt and nance can’t really play together. Love and zz probably can’t either. Too slow on defense with one pair. Too little offense/shooting and clogging the paint from the other. Also Clarkson shouldn’t be in the rotation. Sexton and hill should be playing about 24 minutes a piece.
Good writeup, EG. It’s really hard to see how some of these guys are going to get minutes. When does JR play? Nwaba? Zizic? It’s a really cluttered roster, and it really seems like some guys need to be moved. Who is on the floor in the 4th in tight games? I have to think Sexton is going to be in the crunch time lineup eventually, although probably not right off. I’m in the ‘like Nwaba!’ camp, but it remains to be seen how he is best utilized. I’m also in the camp that believes Sexton and Clarkson shouldn’t play… Read more »