On the GL: Scouting the Charge
2018-11-12As the Cavs were taking on the Bulls, Saturday night, I traveled to downtown Canton to take in the Charge home opener. The Cavs’ G-League little brother, The Canton Charge, took down Atlanta’s affiliate, the Erie Bayhawks, 116-112 in a haphazard affair that saw no less than seven technical free throws, five delay of game calls, and 45 turnovers. It’s a whole different atmosphere down in the GL. There’s a casualness to the whole affair: a resigned acceptance of chaos and borderline competence. While Cavs games are all spectacle and glitz (currently wrapped around a lackluster package), the guys down on the GL play like they just got off a smoke break to take on the dinner rush at Applebee’s – which is probably where they’re all heading after the game.
Not that there’s any shame in that. Everyone’s got to eat, and everyone’s got to work. And while they’re grinding, the guys on these teams live with the reality that while they’re chasing their NBA dream, and that they’re very unlikely to achieve it. Only 2-3 guys on each team have a shot at making an NBA squad, and the odds on being an NBA rotation player are far longer. The G-Leaguers also pass up a bigger paycheck overseas to make 7K a month. If they’re lucky enough to get a two-way deal, they can make serious money. Unfortunately, that also means that the guys on two-ways can coast.
So who was coasting and who was balling, Saturday night? The Charge ran a starting lineup of Levi Randolph, everybody’s favorite All-American, Bonzie Colson, Emmanuel Terry, who the Cavs signed for the last preseason game, training camp guard Kobi Simmons, and summer league standout Scoochie Smith. For the Bayhawks, we got to see onetime Celtics draft pick, R.J. Hunter, and one-time Rockets power forward Terrence Jones.
Kobi Simmons is a livewire, and can get up and down the court, but he’s listed as six-foot-four, and 170 pounds. If he weighs 170 soaking wet , then I’m the lead dancer at the Bolshoi. Anyway, Kobi is almost as tall Colson and weighs about 70 pounds less. He also has the narrowest shoulders I’ve ever seen on a pro basketball player. While he’s fast, he jacks a lot of shots: 5-14 in 35 minutes, and 0-4 from downtown with three turnovers and two dimes. Truth be told, he doesn’t have great floor vision or shot selection, and he’s so slight it’s so easy to knock him off his shot. Kobi did go 8-8 from the line, but if he sniffs the NBA, then go see me in Swan Lake.
Emmanuel Terry (left) is an interesting case. He is a superior athlete. The four year DII standout was even called out in the pregame program as being a guy who “goes to the rim with dangerous intentions.” Starting at the center spot, Terry was a part of the group that got off to a disastrous start to the game, and when I moved into better seats in the second half, the Cantonite behind me was not a fan. But clearly, Terry is not used to playing against athletes this good, and was frequently caught out of position defensively as he went -8 in 24 minutes with nine points and eight rebounds. Terry did have a couple great blocks and three steals, but the wiry Terry got routinely abused by Erie’s Isaac Humphries outside early and Terrence Jones inside in the third. It will take more than a season of seasoning to see if Terry can be an end of roster NBA player.
“Get Number 33’s bubble gum chewin’ a** out of there!” the woman behind yelled at Terry the second half . “Put JaCorey back in!” The object of her affection, JaCorey Williams (title pic) was Canton’s best bench player off the bench. The dude was aggressive attacking the basket in transition, in the post, and as a roll man. He even iso-ed a bit. Jakori dropped 21 in 23 minutes with four boards. He’s got a crazy free throw stroke where both hands go back up over the top of his head like a trebuchet, but it’s somewhat effective. JaCorey was 9-13 from the line and shot 61% from there last year. Williams posted a game high +7 and is +29 on the season. He also had a couple monster blocks defensively. At six-foot-eight, the pride of Middle Tennessee State is probably too short and not a good enough shooter (just 23% from three last year) to make the show, but maybe he could be an Ekpe Udoh type defensive type in a best case scenario. That scenario is probably in Europe.
There was a time Sir’Dominic Pointer was considered an intriguing prospect for the Cavs. I have to think those days are over for the 53rd pick of the 2015 draft. Sir’Dom was 0-4 in 11 minutes and didn’t do much in the GLeague last year. The role of plucky combo guard could be taken up by Michigan’s all time games leader, Muhammad-Ali Abdur-Rahkman, who averaged a modest 13/4/3 in college but had some nice moments with the second unit before fouling out with seven points. Rahman turned it over three times, but showed some active hands on D and a very smooth stroke from three. Starter Levi Randolph looked solid (for the GL) and forgettable for Cleveland too
For the Bayhawks, one of their coveted two-way contracts is owned by Jaylen Adams who was with the Hawks, Saturday. The other is manned by Kentucky’s Alex Poythress who did not play. The guy who did Play, R.J. Hunter looks every bit the part of the player Boston thought they were drafting with the 25th pick in 2015: a rangy, athletic, sweet stroking two guard. In 37 minutes, Hunter finished with 22 on 5-13 and 9-9 at the line to go with six boards, four dimes, and three steals. Erie ran their entire offense through him in crunch time, often isolating him on the right wing. He was far and away their best player. The problem? Hunter never met a shot he didn’t like. Hunter has launched 29 threes in four games and made just 7. Yet he shoots 89% at the line. Hunter Routinely dribbled into 28 foot isolation jacks, instead of driving or playing the pick and roll game.
Larry Nance was very smart to sign a four year, 45 million dollar extension with the Cavs. Why do I mention this? Because when I recognized a six-foot-nine guy with linebacker shoulders, I went, “Holy BLEEP,” That’s Terrence Jones. Terrence and Donatas Montejunas declined to take extensions in 2015, bet big on themselves, and lost big after solid 14-15 seasons. Then they saw their NBA careers go down the tubes. After a respectable stint in New Orleans in 16-17, Jones spent last year in China. Part of the problem with not taking the extension is your team no longer feels willing to invest in you if they don’t think they can re-sign you. That seems to be what happened to Jones. Way to get the bag, Larry.
Terrence put up some numbers, leading all scorers with 25/10/6 four steals, two blocks, but was a comical 1-6 from three with a whopping nine turnovers. The Charge did a great job of crowding him when he put it on the floor, and of reading his passes. The dude can score, shoot, and pass but just doesn’t always play smart, and he shoots just poorly enough to shoot you out of games. Still, if the Cavs could figure out how to get him to shoot above 33% from deep, he’d be a better backup power forward than they have on the team. Attitude, basketball IQ, halitosis… Something has to have kept this dude out of the Association.
To me, the class of the Cavs is Bonzie Colson who has a monster wingspan, and a monster vertical. The dude got up for some defensive rebounds, and came out of the sky for a couple o-boards and putbacks, and has a really nice second jump. He was deft around the basket with a couple nifty turnarounds on the block, though, he really ought to develop a hook. He also showed good timing on cuts and an ability to run a pick-and-pop and pick-and-roll on his way to 17 points.
The Cavs’ guards were often reluctant to pitch it into him, when he had position, perhaps knowing it might not come back out. Colson was 0-3 from downtown on the night and looked like he needs to lock himself in a gym and work on on his J. But his athleticism was undenaible. He also is content to not contest layups. Bonzie did have one extreme hustle play where he ran 3/4 of the floor and layed out for a loose ball, but looked like he’d hurt his hip when he got up. I don’t know whether the hip affected his hustle later.
I still say he has the chops to be a 3-4 combo off the bench but at only an inch taller than Kobi Simmons, he has to play with an extreme motor and an extreme skill level. Like most of the guys Saturday night, those things sputtered at times. Also, in case you’re asking, the answer is yes. Bonzie had the “Sugardale” logo plastered across his belly like everyone else.
Speaking of coasters, Billy Preston seems like he’s coasting on that two way deal. Preston played 20 minutes and had a very nice game with 11 and seven, including 2-2 on buttery treys. But Billy never seems like he’s trying all that hard, and he reaches on D. He ended up with four fouls in limited minutes. Preston’s also 5-17 from from the field so far this year, and his finishing ability, to put it mildly, needs work. To quote Jay Bilas on Bruno Cabloclo, “He’s a couple years away from being a couple years away.”
Finally, the Charge are led by a guy who stood out as a very polished point guard in the summer, Scoochie Smith. Scoochie did not disappoint Saturday either, as he was far and away the best player on the team and the squad’s leader. He banged out 22/5/8 with four steals with 77 TS% and just three turnovers. Scoochie had one of the more comical plays of the game near the beginning of the second half when he stole the worst sideline inbounds pass I’ve ever seen from Isaac Humphries at mid-court, and badly blew the layup, got his own miss and converted. It was a metaphor for the game as a whole.
Still, Scoochie set up guys all night with great dribbling, point guard footwork, and a herky jerky offensive repetoire. Smith, pushed the ball, shot well off the dribble and the drive, and simply looked completely in control in his time on the floor. He was the most mature and polished player in Canton, Saturday. Check out the highlight package above, especially the full court pass on a rope that ends the clip.
Smith did cough it up once late, but scored the go-ahead bucket to put Canton up 122-120 with 22 seconds left. If the Cavs move George Hill and want to call up a backup point, they could do worse than give Scoochie a try. The dude isn’t the athlete one needs to be to stick in the Association, but he has a really nice feel for the game and is currently No. 2 in assists in the GL with 11 per game. Yeah, he’ll probably get roasted on D, but wouldn’t it be nice if the Cavs played with a real passer at the point at least a few minutes a night if Hill gets moved? If the dude keeps up his play, he’s earned a look.
This one wrapped late, and it was a pleasure to go to. If you do hit Canton, remember in the GL, even the refs are trying to make it to the Association. They certainly let the whistles fly in this one, calling 68 personal fouls which led to 94 free throws. The refs called more delay of game calls than I have ever seen. They even ejected Erie’s starting shooting guard, Craig Sword, for mouthing off twice in a row. G-League officials don’t play around.
So I’d heartily recommend doing some scouting for yourself. The cheapest seat in the house is $8 and once you’re in there might be some seats with better site-lines. Add some Pizza Oven (the best pie in Stark County) slices and Canton Brewing Company suds, and you’ve got yourself an evening.
Who knows. You might just defy the odds and see a future Cavs rotation player. This season? Anything’s possible.
Enjoyable read
STILL “SCARES ” ME OF THE NBA DRAFT CHANGES —LOWERS OUR CHANCES — ( COMPARED TO 76ER’S ” PROCESS YEARS ” )—–REDDISH FROM WHAT I READ MIGHT BE THE MOST NBA READY —BEST POTENTIAL—-LITTLE CAN SHOOT THE ROCK / ATHLETIC ——GRIMES FROM KANSAS IS ANOTHER PROSPECT
Reddish is the best shooter out of the Duke trio, but Barrett has a.much improved j since he came out of high school. He could come in and score effectively. Zion could as well if put in the right system. It might not even matter he is so dominant in the paint and on drives.
When Love returns, there is gonna be a lot of distance between the bottom 3 (Cavs, Suns, Hawks) & everyone else.
I feel we get a stud this year.
If we have the worst record which is almost certain now we are guaranteed the fifth pick. Obviously we will be tied with the second and third worst teams for best odds for picks 1-4. Hopefully we luck into Zion or Barrett. If not Reddish looks really good for a freshman too. Haven’t seen him but the Nassir Little freshmen from UNC was supposed to be a good prospect. Dunno anything about the rest of the class.
How long is Love out for?
They said six weeks like a week or two ago, right? I mean I wouldn’t at all be surprised if it was longer though.
Re: The Charge.
Does it matter who plays well? Our FO is too dumb to sign anyone who does stand out (Quinn Cook).
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Dunno if anyone saw the Nets Wolves game or highlights, but after a horrific looking injury to Caris Levert’s foot, good news for him and the nets. Foot was dislocated, but he won’t need surgery. Glad to see that as he is a good story and really was having a breakout year. Of course I am sure he will miss significant time, but it definitely could have been worse. Prognosis is that he will be back this season. That was one of the more nasty injuries I have seen up there with Hayward and George so happy to see it… Read more »
GLAD YOU ARE OK —-STAY SAFE —–WILL DO / CONTINUE WITH THE PRAYERS / DONATIONS !!!
Hey guys, thanks for your concern. It’s been a hell of a week out here in Ventura County. My family and I had to be evacuated from our home, but we have returned and are safe. Though our home is intact, many of our neighbors were not so fortunate. Thanks to the heroic efforts of the VCFD, LAFD and many other first responders, there was minimal loss of life and much less loss of structures than there could have been. Please keep your thoughts and prayers with the victims of these fires, and donate if you feel moved to do… Read more »
Good to hear, EG. I know it’s pretty terrible for a lot of folks out there.
Sending positive vibes your way.
Geez… I’m sorry to hear this. Stay safe!
This was me.
Glad to see you are ok.
Glad to hear it.
Glad you and the family are safe…. thoughts and prayers to all Californians affected.
Thoughts are with you and your family EG!
EG, thoughts and prayers with you.
SIMMO— WAS WONDERING / CONCERNED ABOUT EVIL ALSO—-NATE THANKS FOR KEEPING US IN THE LOOP—-EVIL HANG IN THERE / PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU—————DURANT / GREEN ” CONVERSATION ” LAST NIGHT ON THE BENCH—TYPICAL NBA DRAMA TO KEEP FAN INTEREST / MEDIA SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUIT——-IT IS A LONG SEASON —-HAVE TO KEEP THE FAN INTEREST THERE!!
Regarding EG: has anyone heard from him, weren’t the fires close to where he lives?
He is ok. Obviously dealing with stuff, but he and family are safe.
OK thanks Nate.
Hey EG…remember when we talked about the Hyde trade being odd? and I said Duke was a better option for receiving and Chubb could shoulder the load as a pound it back? After the last 2 weeks…I was right. Like 110% right. But i was only 50% confident in saying those things. What i think is the best thing that happened between trading hyde and now is the new offensive philosophy is to use the RBs as outlets more often. Whoever is calling plays now has freed up the offense by allowing Baker to look at the RB quicker in… Read more »
Chubb is a beast. He could end up being the best back selected in this draft, and maybe the best out of our picks. Dorsey just killed it.
Korver to the 76rs…anyone heard what we are asking for him? With our luck lately it will be fultz
Doubt the Sixers do that. I’d take him, even though he’s not good. There is a chance still that he could pan out.
I am weirdly certain he won’t pan out. He is playing minutes now…but he feels so much like Derrick Rose. That formula feels outmoded now. You have to have some gravity to effect problems against a switching defense. During the regular season there are games where a guy without a jump shot can be extremely effective. During the playoffs…it feels like you are useless without gravity.
I don’t think he pans out, either. But he’s so young that I’d take him…although going to this Cavs org would probably be a disaster for him. Not that I think the Sixers trade him for Korver. I’m sure they’d love to trade him, probably not for a 37 year old.
KORVER/ SWISH DOING THEIR PART HONORING –(VETS )– ON VETERANS DAY —–BOTH WILL PROBABLY MISS TOMORROWS GAME DUE TO INJURY / SICKNESS
TOLD THE “MRS NOMAD ——-I AM FEELING KIND OF —“DAN6EROUS ” TONIGHT ——–HEY IF IT WORKS FOR BAKER WHY NOT ME : )
Scoochie was unbelievably overlooked by the Cavs, his ball handling alone qualifies him for a spot on this lackluster team over the recent signing of Harrison. Maybe I am the only one to think this however he looked to be the best ball handler playing for the Cavs since K. Irving.
YEP !!!!—WHY THE RAPTORS HAVE SUCH A DEEP BENCH !!——WHY THEY ( ALONG WITH PACERS / NUGGETS ) ARE 3 OTHER TEAMS I WILL SUPPORT / ROOT FOR
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1062118751590641666?s=19
Lol
https://twitter.com/NewLonnyBreaux/status/1061860770575736832?s=19
He is a free agent again this summer. I wonder if this is him saying to the lakers that I wanna come play out west and to LBJ that he was wrong and wants to ride some coat tails again.
Actually, never mind, he isn’t that self aware.
Sounds to me like the Celtics need to trade for George Hill and Kyle Korver and JR Smith.
Had 3 straight.
When Kyrie finally realuzes he is second best in Beantown (to Tatum) he will bolt for NY.
Wooden said you can’t fix stupid. Kyrie is not dumb, but he is selfish on the court and essentially narcissistic in his approach.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25259058/golden-state-warriors-offer-100-monthly-passes-no-view-court
We should start a CtB go fund me to purchase these and give them to homeless people in Oakland.
They’re re non-transferrable. Also not a huge fan of stigmatizing the homeless… Juggalos on the other hand…
WITH THE MELO SITUATION GOING ON—-JUST THINKING HOW EACH OTHER’S CAREER– ( LEBRON / MELO )–WENT DIFFERENTLY ——–YEAH MELO COULD ALWAYS SCORE –BUT HE NEVER WON—-LEBRON WAS SKILLED AT ALL FACETS AND LOOK WHAT HE / HIS TEAMS HAVE ACCOMPLISHED —–MELO’S GAME / AT PRESENT IS GOOD ROLE PLAYER AT BEST—LEBRON—STILL ONTOP OF HIS GAME / STILL COSIDERED THE BEST PLAYER ——-JUST A THOUGHT
It is interesting to compare their arcs since they were so intertwined due to their high school hype and the games they played against each other and where they went in the draft. But LBJ is a top 5, maybe top 3 player all time and likely the most durable player ever. Melo was a nice player, scorer, and decent rebounding wing in his prime. But he was never going to be close to LBJ. Melo was perhaps a bit overrated for some of those years, but he was very good and a clutch shooting player. Just one dimensional. Still… Read more »
MIGHT BE DUKE’S / COACH K’S BIGGEST CHALLENGE THIS YEAR——-THE EGO’S ——DON’T LET THEM BE COUNTER PRODUCTIVE ——ARE THE “BIG 3 ” DEEP DOWN COMPETING AMONST THEMSELVES TO BE THE # 1 DRAFT PICK ———–SO ‘BONZI ‘ COULD BE CLAIMED / PICKED UP BY ANY TEAM CORRECT —-WILL BE PISSED IF THAT HAPPENS ——–MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HOLLANDS 2 WAY AND GIVEN IT TO BONZI AND NOT HARRISON –WE SHALL SEE
Yup…. fortunately they’re all friends who recruited each other to go to Duke according to what they’ve said.
I don’t think there’s a competition between them, I think Zion is the straw that stirs the drink, so to speak. Also, I’d hope they’d understand that team needs and fit will dictate how the draft goes instead of raw talent.
Army definitely exposed how they need to grow as a team, Army played like a well-oiled machine… very impressive IMO.
Wanted, but couldn’t see the game. Just the condesned version on YouTube. Seems like they had a bit of trouble defensively based on the score in the first half. Effort or miscommunication?
Probably both effort and miscommunication… they just didn’t play together as well as they did against UK. Army is extremely well-coached and played team basketball essentially flawlessly for their talent level. Duke simply had more talent and a little better ball movement in the 2nd half pushed the lead to a comfortable point.
Good stuff Nate! I watched duke/army last night, the big three had another good game.
Really impressed with Zion ‘s passing and finishing ability off the dribble and in the post. He needs major work on his shot though.
Reddish is really long. Also a fantastic shooter.
Barrett started off slow but got buckets in the 2nd half.
Reddish likely could have a chance to be a number one pick in many other years. Just such a smooth stroke. Who knows, maybe he really shows out later and challenges Barrett and Zion this year. I think we may have a good idea by the end of their season who really stands out. Of course you could plug and play Barrett and Reddish into just about any offense. Zion I think could still be very good his first year in most offenses if put in the right positions and allowed to go one on one, but he would really… Read more »
Yup… agree, Reddish easily a better version of Wiggins… feel the same way with Barrett.
Also agree that Reddish and Barrett are immediately effective on offense because of their spot up shooting. I think Zion needs to be on a team where they’ll put the ball in his hands and play off of him. Or he needs to be on a team with a PG who will put him in the right spots and feed him.
https://twitter.com/DownWithDamon/status/1061990249470091264?s=20
Ugh. He appears to be completely oblivious to what he is saying half the time and how he comes off. Mr. Foot in mouth should be his new nickname.
Wants Melo ?
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1061625001596649472
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1061625030931554306
Yeah he has more change in direction capability with his ball handling than most wings do. I mean a guy that regularly and fluidly goes hard on the move from a crossover or between the legs to as tight as a behind the back move as he has on a hard drive can pretty much get wherever they want to go if they have a decent first step and his first step is elite. He is shifter than many guards and his change of direction on drives is something most big wings just can’t pull off. Is he shifty like… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY7vDiKopBQ
What is the deal with G league? If a guy isn’t on a two way, could any team swoop in and sign them from another team’s gleague affiliate?
Yes. Summer league as well.
So Preston actually has a jump shot? If so, I sort of get why the cavs would take a flyer. The other things you saw with him would scare me away like the plague. If a guy isn’t trying in the gleague even on a two way, it indicates to me he isn’t going to ever put the work in.
Eh. I mean yes only playing 20 minutes. He mighr also be one of those guys who looks like he’s not trying that hard but is always in the right spot. I have to watch him more.
Thanks for the G-League update, Nate! Hope you had fun over there in Canton!
GREAT JOB NATE —DESCRIBED IT PERFECTLY—-WATCHED OR “ATTEMPTED ” TO WATCH THAT FIASCO THAT THEY CALLED BASKETBALL SATURDAY NIGHT ——OUCH !!—–REF’S DID A DISSERVICE TO THEIR PROFESSION —-AND AGREE –BONZI HAS BEEN THE PLAYER OF INTEREST ALL THE TIME—HAS LIVED UP (SO FAR ) TO THE EXPECTATIONS ——–WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF PRESTON——IS THERE HOPE / POTENTIAL THERE ——-MELO TO 76ER’S / INTERESTING —-BUT IT SEEMS WHEREVER MELO GOES –THE “L ‘S” FOLLOW HIM —-DRAMA ETC —NOT SURE IF PHILLY WANTS TO DISRUPT THE LOCKERROOM
This was great, Nate, really enjoyed reading it. Bonzi is the only of those guys that much interests me.
Not sure why anyone good team would much want Melo. He’s not terrible, but he doesn’t really do much to move the needle, he’s bad defensively, he’s a ball stopper, and he apparently still feels the entitlement of a star player.
Agreed on Melo. Your last point is the most important point. Melo has yet to evolve as a player and accept a role playing role. With the right coaching and team framework, I think he could do well. At this point, if he wants to get a ring, just force to get cut and sign with the Warriors.
Carmelo to the 76ers if, when, he’s waived?
Where should he go?
He go to the Hawks
I never understood the Sprewell mentality of, “I won’t take the millions…” Unless you’re 100% certain that what you bring to the table, nobody else can do for less, you TAKE the money.
We need Bonzi and Scoochie up here. No reason for them not to be playing against better opposition to learn and grow.