Draft Profile: Darius Garland, The Radiohead of the Draft
2019-06-15As we count down to the 2019 NBA Draft, the staff here at Cavs: The Blog will be taking a look at the players who could be available to the Cleveland Cavaliers with either of their first-round picks. Today, we take a look at Vanderbilt point guard Darius Garland.
Background Information
- Name: Darius Garland
- Height: 6′ 2”
- Weight: 175 pounds
- Wingspan: 6’5”
- Standing Reach: 8’1”
- Background: Born to former NBA player Winston Garland, Darius moved to Tennessee when he was in the sixth grade from Gary, Indiana. The move put him closer to his AAU team and allowed him to attend Brentwood Academy where he averaged 27.6 points per game during his senior year and led the team to four straight state titles.
- College: Darius stayed close to home and attended Vanderbilt University. After four full games, he experienced a meniscus tear in his left leg against Kent State after just two minutes.His team lost that game and the rest of their games that season after winning their first four with him playing.
- College Stats: 5 GP, 27.8 mpg, 47.8% from 3 (2.2-4.6), 3.8 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 0.4 blocks, 0.8 steals, 3.0 turnovers, 16.2 ppg
- Accolades: Three time Mr. Basketball, McDonald’s All American, Gatorade Tennessee player of the year as a senior, Member of Team USA Junior team, in USAB system since age 14
Strengths
Darius is a serious shooter. He has a quick and very repeatable stroke no matter how he’s coming into his shot. He doesn’t need two steps to gather, so he’s always one step away from letting it fly. He’s already ahead of a decent amount of NBA players as far as foot work goes. His stroke allowed him to flourish as a shooter on and off the ball. It wasn’t a fluke that he hit 47.8% from beyond the arc at Vanderbilt.
The beginning of the video in this following tweet from Mike Schmitz shows Garland’s ability to hit deep shots coming off of screens.
Combing through Darius Garland's tape for his NBA draft scouting video and quickly reminded exactly why he's No. 4 in our Top-100. Such an impressive combination of ball-handling, footwork and off-the-dribble shooting. pic.twitter.com/i0qrAKQhkU
— Mike Schmitz (@Mike_Schmitz) April 15, 2019
Darius has range too. He was hitting shots from 28 feet out without hesitation. Look at this shot chart. It’s not all of his college shots (not all college games are tracked), but it’s a fairly accurate representation of Garland’s short college career. He’s not hugging the line on his 3s at all. He lets it go like he’s a Curry (41.2%) or Trae Young (36%), both of whom he shot better than from 3-land in college (although he did play fewer games).
Garland hits his shots from all over the floor. He has a crafty dribble game that works well in space. If he has just one man in front of him, he uses his lateral quickness to get an advantage or space to shoot.
This clip also shows his hoppy dribble nature. He gets to where he wants to go with a decent pace. He reminds me of Collin Sexton early in his Cavs career with his dribble. He can get to where he wants to go, but he’s not quick about it and can be stopped before the rim.
One-on-one, Garland should be very successful after a year or so. It will take time to see how he deals with having to cross up two or three players at once.
Ultimately, if Garland’s development stalls out early on, he should still be a floor spacing bench player. A lot of people are comparing him to Damian Lillard, but he’s a shorter version of Klay Thompson on the offensive end right now if all goes as planned when he takes the floor in the NBA. He lacks the feel for the game of Lillard.
Besides his ability to shoot the crap out of the ball, Garland also has it going for him that his father played in the NBA. He was around successful ball players most of his life and understands how much work being in the Association takes. Work ethic shouldn’t be an issue with him at all.
Weaknesses
Garland is small. He’s not even two-hundred pounds; he’s not over 6’3′.’ He can cover point guards and pretty much point guards only, and he won’t even be that great at it. Size matters. Garland also lacks anticipation on the defensive end as evidenced by him garnering less than a steal per game. Stephen Curry is his max defensive upside and Curry is a player that is routinely hunted on the defensive end.
Darius also struggles around the rim and has trouble hitting open players when he is crowded because he’s so slight. He had a free throw rate of just 0.296. It doesn’t help that his handle is rather loose. In one-on-one situations, it works. He’s hard to stop because his timing is so goofy, but when multiple players push up on him he no longer has the advantage of timing. There’s too many hands to fluster him and he dribbles too high to protect the ball. That looseness extends to his passing. He can make a pocket pass, but he’s just as likely to loft an easy steal or jack an ill-advised long 3-ball. He had a 0.86:1 assist to turnover ratio in college. That’s awful. Darius also views himself as a “pass first” guard, so…imagine if he wasn’t focused on passing.
And, for the people who say the space of the NBA game will help him, I have to disagree. If Garland’s having his passes stolen and his pocket ripped at the college level, that’s not likely to change. There’s more space in the NBA, but guys also cover more ground and help in smarter ways.
Even Garland’s positive stats can be looked down upon. Vanderbilt played a very easy schedule when Garland was playing. He still put up no games with more than four assists. He had just two games with more assists than turnovers. He had a three point game against the Alcorn State Braves! I, too, have no idea who that team is.
The New Wave Of Need-to-Be Stephen Currys
Here is my general issue with Garland and others like him: these super small guards coming out of college whose games are entirely predicated on shooting the ball have too risky of a development path. They are nearly always going to be minus defenders (they lack the base level of a 3 and D guy), and if their shots don’t work out at a high level, they lose the ability to get to the rack. Their dribble games aren’t potent enough on their own. They Need-to-Be Stepehen Currys shooting wise to become worthwhile, if taken early in a draft. Curry is an awesome player and some teams may want to take a gamble on a player who needs to develop in an extremely specific way to become a Curry. If it works, your franchise could win a Finals. If it doesn’t, your franchise is stuck with a small useless bench rider or expensive floor spacer.
Garland also isn’t really worth where he is projected go. Right now he looks like he will go in the top seven. However, this is a weak draft. Earlier today, I was reading an article at hoopsprospects.com from Brendan O’Sullivan. He summed up this draft the best I’ve heard:
It’s not often that a player’s draft stock improves following a season-ending injury, but that’s reality for Vanderbilt freshman guard Darius Garland.
Essentially, this draft is so weak that Garland’s lack of college games kept him from showing as many flaws as the guards who played more games. The top of the guard class this year would not be the top most other years.
Nonetheless, Garland’s name is going to keep popping up. He’s signed to Klutch Sports, LeBron’s Agency. The Lakers have been tied to him. He has a good highlight reel. People are going to keep forcing him on the world. For me, he has become the Radiohead of the draft.
Radiohead is the band whose fans tell you are “awesome and intelligent and say a ton.” Only those people don’t actually listen to Radiohead, they just idealize them. They’re a fine band, but they aren’t geniuses. Thom Yorke has yet to solve world hunger with his music, but his fans will act like he has. Garland’s only considered so highly at this point because people feel the need to keep talking about how great of a scorer he is without relation to what he did in college and what he needs to do to be a winner in the NBA. He’s fine, but he’s not all that people think he is yet.
New post up.
Sam Vecenie’s Mock 6: (5.) Cleveland Cavaliers — De’Andre HunterL So I’ve gone with Hunter here, even though the team is certainly looking at a few different options in Culver, Garland and Reddish. Teams around the league are trying to determine just how real the Cavs’ interest in Garland is. Are they seriously considering taking him a year after having selected Collin Sexton? Or did they go out to Los Angeles to see him work out in order to feign interest for the purposes of trade? Or, and this happens more than you’d think around the league around this time… Read more »
More here: As a player, I think Hunter fits well with Cleveland or with other potential suitors. He’s the best two-way wing in the draft, playing extremely well on both ends of the floor for the national champion Virginia Cavaliers this past year, leading them to a title game victory. He’s an elite defender with legitimate switchable size and a 7-2 wingspan. Offensively, he’s a straight line driver, but one who can knock down shots, attack closeouts, and keep the ball moving in an intelligent way on offense. Even at his current level now, as long as the shooting translates,… Read more »
26. Cleveland Cavaliers (from HOU) — Bol Bol
7-2 center, freshman, Oregon
The Cavaliers are thought to be interested in moving up on draft day from No. 26 to try and take an upside swing on someone. Here, the upside falls to them with Bol, who has been invited to the NBA Draft Green Room– typically a good sign for a player’s draft stock. He’s one of 20 players who will be there.
That means a drop to 26 is something of a fall for Bol. The flags here for NBA teams are obvious. Let’s start with the foot. Bol had surgery on his navicular bone in his left foot, an injury that doesn’t exactly have the best track record in regard to seven footers getting the injury, with multiple needing more than one procedure to fix the issue. In general, teams have questions about how his high hips, long limbs, and skinny frame would hold up over the length of an 82 game season. Second, Bol has long been questioned about his… Read more »
Even on the court there were concerns this season. Bol was a mess in pick-and-roll defensive coverages this season, and got blown by any time Oregon allowed him to guard on the perimeter. His high center of gravity allows him to get pushed around with ease, even before accounting for the lack of weight. The fact that he has all of these concerns and NBA teams still say that he’s likely to go in the first round say a lot about his upside, though. Bol is legitimately unlike any player we’ve seen in the NBA before, with a 9-foot-7 standing… Read more »
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1141024410532556800
https://twitter.com/JohnyboyNYC/status/1141024899542241281
I didn’t mean to include JohnnyBoy’s Tweet in this post.
While Ja Morant and R.J. Barrett are viewed as virtual locks to follow Zion Williamson off the board on draft night, point guard Darius Garland is still receiving serious consideration at No. 3, according to ESPN’s Jonathan Givony (Twitter link). A source tells Givony that Garland will be conducting a last-minute workout with the Knicks tomorrow.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/latest-on-darius-garland.html?fv-home=true&post-id=129667
That would be ideal and would probably mean that Culver would fall to the Cavs at 5.
With Anthony Davis Headed To Lakers, The Cavaliers May Have To Change Their Draft Plans: https://www.forbes.com/sites/evandammarell/2019/06/17/with-anthony-davis-headed-to-lakers-the-cavaliers-may-have-to-change-their-draft-plans/#4ff439cf2e19
no bol bol please
The Athletic’s 2018 Re-Draft has the Cavs taking Collin Sexton #8, with Luka Doncic going #1 to the Suns.
AM SURE THERE ARE ALOT OF G.M.’S LAUGHING AT THESE MOICK DRAFTS / SOME PROBABLY EVEN “FEEDING THE FIRE ” TO MAKE IT EVEN MORE ENJOYABLE : ) ———————–DOES ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE FEEL THERE IS MORE INTEREST IN THE DRAFT / FREE AGENT / TRADE DEADLINE THAN IN THE REGULAR NBA SEASON ——KIND OF WHERE I AM AT
Blog comment numbers would probably verify that Nomad. Might be a result of so much fantasy gaming across all codes.
Hey things might just turn out fine for Boston, but this moment in time sees an awful of squirming and wishful thinking re Irving & Horford. It’s rather delicious.
Yeah it looks like Horford is declining his $30 M option, to become an unrestricted FA.
The NBA Finals MVP is considering two teams, ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski reported Tuesday morning on “Get Up!”
Those two teams: the Raptors and Los Angeles Clippers.
“No. 1, they don’t have the money to sign him. No. 2, the idea of him being a third wheel on a team trying to be a super team, that has not been his M.O.,” Wojnarowski said on the morning show with Mike Greenberg.
https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2019/06/nba-draft-2019-rumors-news-kawhi-leonard-not-joining-lebron-james-anthony-davis-and-los-angeles-lakers.html
For what it’s worth, members of Garland’s camp would love to see him in Cleveland, where they think he would get shots and time to develop. — Per Joe Vardon, The Athletic
I read Vardon’s article, recently posted on the Athletic. He tries to make the case that whoever they draft will be the same position as either Sexton or Osman. I don’t think that is necessarily the case, especially with Hunter or Culver, who could play together with Osman.
… and of course Sexton.
I agree with vardon, they need guard wing help in the worst way.
NBA mock draft 2019: Pelicans trade Lakers’ pick to Wizards for Bradley Beal? Hawks, Cavs lottery swap? Sixers land T.J. McConnell replacement?
https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/06/latest-nba-mock-draft-2019-pelicans-shipping-lakers-pick-to-wizards-for-bradley-beal-hawks-cavs-lottery-swap-sixers-land-tj-mcconnell-replacement.html
4. Washington Wizards: Darius Garland, PG, Vanderbilt
We have a trade!
Wizards receive: Brandon Ingram, No. 4 overall pick, E’Twaun Moore and Solomon Hill
Pelicans receive: Beal
5. Atlanta Hawks: De’Andre Hunter, PF, Virginia
We have a trade!
Atlanta receives: No. 5 overall pick
Cleveland receives: No. 10 and No. 17 overall pick
10. Cleveland Cavaliers: Coby White, SG, North Carolina
17. Cleveland Cavaliers: Goga Bitadze, C, Georgia
26. Cleveland Cavaliers: KZ Okpala, SF, Stanford
Don’t think the Pels are getting Beal with that pick in this draft.
Yeah these mock’s are pretty much make believe at this point. I don’t believe anyone really knows.
I would not trade 5 for 10 & 17. 8 has to be included.
I agree.
AGREE WITH YOU SOMEWHAT ARCH—(HOLIS -JEFFERSON )—ALOT WILL DEPEND ON THE COST / CONTRACT —-IF THE RIGHT PLACE –THINK HE CAN BE A SERVICIABLE PLAYER —WOULD NOT OVERPAY TO SIGN HIM
I don’t think I have a strong take on whom the Cavs should draft. There’s just so much uncertainty in the NBA. I do think it has to be a non-injured player that has shown he can produce and isn’t too old. I think that includes a lot of players, but in my mind excludes Garland, Reddish, and Porter.
ALL IN PURSUING–RONDAE-HOLLIS – JEFFERSON–(LIKED HIM COMING OUT OF COLLEGE )—LIVE / ATHLETIC BODY —-WLL NEVER BE A SHARPSHOOTER BUT DOES THE OTHER INTANGIBLES REAL GOOD —GO AFTER HIM KOLBY
I don’t really care if they go after him or not. He doesn’t move the needle for me.
Yeah he wouldn’t be a huge get but I think he’s an upgrade over Nwaba. Can switch across 5 positions rather than 3-ish for Nwaba. Probably worse on offense but it’s not like you’re leaning on Nwaba for points (or hopefully anywise).
We should 100% take Hunter if he is available and Culver isn’t. We should 100% take either if both are available. We should avoid Cam Reddish at all costs, and not be tempted by freaking Garland. Garland is not good. He isn’t Steph Curry. His stats don’t measure up, his work ethic isn’t legendary, and his upside isn’t even worth the 26th pick. You know who I also feel isn’t worth the 26th pick? Cam Reddish. PLEASE GOD let other teams pick these two players. The cavs deserve some good choices. I would literally rather us take Kaleb Wesson than… Read more »
Yikes. Well we don’t have to worry about them be available at #26.
nick wright bashing ainge and celtics.. had all the picks.. walked away with tatum and brown.. now the net’s party is over.. and they really haven’t accomplished anything (hayword’s injury certainly not under their control, but they overpaid anyway)
Ainge’s stinginess in trades is finally coming back to bite him. Should have maybe rolled the die with everything on AD anyway. Still would have been hard to match the lakers desperation though.
Yeah, he’s too stubborn on fleecing every single deal that he didn’t pull the trigger on a big move. Toronto took a massive risk and it paid off tremendously. Obviously hindsight is 20/20.
Kyrie about to walk… rumors are Horford is going to opt out and sign a multiyear deal if he returns (yuck).. Tatum looked worse this season and Hayward is on a bloated contract. How quickly things change in one season.
from celticsblog.. “2019 NBA Draft Big Board: Tiers 1 and 2”.. good summaries, imho
very negative on morant and barrett
They wouldn’t be if they actually had a chance of getting either.
Typical Celts fans. Negative on the guys they cannot get.
loves grant williams.. i am a big fan as well
loves goga.. hates our bigZZZ.. (Overall, Bitadze’s a really good prospect. Celtics fans might have nightmares of another Ante Zizic, but Bitadze is in another class in terms of feel, recognition, functional leaping (Zizic had no lift and long load time), and passing (Zizic was that bad))..
likes brandon clarke.. big leaper
Seems like the kind of player Cavs should take a shot at
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.netsdaily.com/platform/amp/2019/6/17/18682433/nets-decline-option-on-rondae-hollis-jefferson-making-him-an-unrestricted-free-agent
i’m in.. we need live bodies
not a great shooter, however..
Yep def just a defender. But I’d throw some money (I’m assuming we only have exceptions) at a 24 year old high level, switchy defender.
I think he’s probably going to want more than we can pay him.
I’m sure my understanding of the cap isn’t the greatest, but if the Cavs can stay below $132mil they should have the full $9mil MLE available. Maybe?
I’ve heard some speculation in the media that Griffin, knowing how much the Lakers (and especially Jeanie Buss) like Kuzma, pressed to include him to get the Lakers to make other concessions — i.e., more draft picks/ pick swaps. I have no idea if that’s true or not, but if it is, it’s next level trolling from Griffin.
So for potential cap relief trades, Hornets have Batum and Zeller to trade that should garner major assets. I’d guess they’d ride out MKG, Marvin Williams, and Biyombo and let them expire at the end of the season.
For the Bucks, Snell is an obvious choice for cap relief. For a non-obvious choice, what about Eric Bledsoe???
For the Thunder, the two obvious contracts are Dennis Schröder and Roberson…. Schröder is the worse of the two.
For the Blazers, there are three contracts: Harkless, Evan Turner, and Meyers Leonard. They all expire at the end of the year though.
The Bucks are looking for cap relief as well. But they have the 30th pick, which is essentially a 2nd round pick.
right where jimmy butler was taken..
any thoughts on jordan bone? looks smooth..
He’s an elite athlete and a decent baller, but he’s tiny and not an elite shooter. He’d be a great 2nd round or UDFA type of pickup.
dude is 6’3″ 180.. exactly where steph curry was.. folks who passed on him because of his size look really smart right now.. i understand your thinking
i am in the grant williams or ty jerome camp
Right now the CBS mock has the Cavs taking Nicholas Claxton at #26. Draft Prospect Outlook Strengths: High IQ player on both ends of the floor; one of the most dominant players at the 2019 NBA Draft Scouting Combine; strong defensive instincts and shot-blocking ability; switchable defender suited for modern NBA; mobile big man with ability to run floor; good enough handles to grab rebound and go in transition; potential to be a floor-spacing big man; good playmaker comfortable running offense through him; high energy Weaknesses: Skinny for an NBA center; consistency as a jump shooter is hit or miss… Read more »
Sam Amico suggested that the Celtics may want to cut salary, and have 3 firsts this year. I’m not sure if it could work, but perhaps they would be interested in JR and #26, for #20 and #22 plus whatever players they can use to match salary.
Gordon Heyward for all 3 picks LMAOOO
Lot of smoke & mirrors stuff until the draft. Misdirection. Etc.
If we want to trade down, teams have to believe we could take their guy at 5 (Garland, Culver, Hunter).
so, does kemba take the $220 mill from CHA or the $140 mill from LAL.. and win some titles? if he stays in CHA.. some have said CHA needs to move the #12 to bring in more talent to help kemba.. thoughts?
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/cavaliers-notes-garland-sexton-culver-smith.html The Cavaliers were well represented at Darius Garland‘s private workout Friday night in Los Angeles, according to Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com. Cleveland officials had been hoping for a close-up look at the Vanderbilt point guard, whose Klutch Sports representatives limited his availability early in the pre-draft process. There’s no guarantee Garland will still be on the board when the Cavs pick at No. 5, as the Pelicans now hold the fourth pick and are reportedly receiving strong interest from teams looking to move up. There are questions surrounding Garland’s durability after he played just four games in college before… Read more »
There’s more from Cleveland, all courtesy of Fedor: Cleveland also likes Culver, but Fedor believes the chance to get him decreases if the Pelicans keep their pick. If another team trades up for Garland, then Culver becomes a strong possibility at No. 5. He had a private workout and dinner with several Cavaliers representatives last week, and the team has scouted him several times. New coach John Beilein faced Culver in the NCAA Tournament, where he scored 22 points in Texas Tech’s win over Michigan. Even though the Cavaliers were hoping for a top three pick, they’re confident they can… Read more »
Great stuff here… Happy with culver garland or hunter
I am ok with those dudes. Not so hyped about Garland with us specifically. But I have totally become obsessed with somehow getting the hawks to do 8 and 10 for 5 and 26. I mean they won’t, but that is what I want, my dream scenario.
That would be great.
But the Hawks also may prefer to make that deal with the Pels.
I want that ATL trade too… I’m obsessed with a possible Sekou and Clarke draft.
Not sure if the Heat would be willing to give up a lottery pick for cal relief, maybe JR and #26 for #13 and Waiters… then the Cavs May be able to pick up Clarke at #13.
That would be nice.
please educate me.. what are the rules (if any) involved in trading players for picks (re the salary matching requirment).. so if pels wanted to move #4 and solomon hlll contract for KLove.. ?
I think as long as salary matches, you can move any picks you want.
1) Those salaries do not match (within 125%). 2) If you wait until x days (30?) after the draft, the pick will count as a salary (4-5 mil?) and that could bring it closer to matching. Or even get it there. 3) If the team adding salary (NO) has cap space, the salaries do not have to match as long as there is enough space to absorb the new contract in full. This is the boat the Lakers are in. They want to wait until after the draft so the #4 can count as salary so that the AD trade… Read more »
thx
Sam Vecenie Big Board, Version 8.0: Final ranking and tiers of the top 120 draft prospects on his board: https://theathletic.com/1020711/2019/06/17/sam-vecenie-big-board-version-8-0-final-ranking-and-tiers-of-the-top-120-draft-prospects-on-his-board/ Tier 1: Potential superstars 1. Zion Williamson This one is kind of obvious. Williamson is in a class of his own after a record-breaking year where he was arguably the most productive player of the one-and-done era. He’s terrific on both ends, and his athleticism is a game-changer every time he steps on the floor. Obviously, the Pelicans will be excited to get him. Tier 2: Potential All-Stars 2. Ja Morant 3. R.J. Barrett Both Barrett and Morant have potential… Read more »
Other details from that article: Overall, this isn’t too bad. Out of my original top-20, 14 are invited to the draft on Thursday, which stands as a reasonable approximation of where the NBA as a whole sees them. Let’s run through some of the notable hits and misses. Jaxson Hayes, unranked to No. 13: I mean, nobody saw this coming. Not even a little bit. Hayes was a late bloomer in high school who grew over his career to go from being 6-foot-7 to a near-7-footer while retaining all of his athleticism. That’s pretty wild, and it’s why scouts weren’t… Read more »
Draft Notes: No. 4, Garland, Hunter, Hawks: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/draft-notes-no-4-garland-hunter-hawks.html
New Cavaliers head coach John Beilein is a fan of Hunter, a source tells Venecie. It’s unclear what kind of influence the coach will have on the team’s draft decisions. It’s worth noting that Cleveland doesn’t need a point guard, having Collin Sexton installed as franchise’s future at the position.
Lakers Optimistic About Adding Kyrie Irving?: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/lakers-optimistic-about-adding-kyrie-irving.html
Suns, Bulls Interested In No. 4 Pick: https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/suns-bulls-interested-in-no-4-pick.html
The Suns and Bulls have both expressed interest in acquiring the No. 4 pick from the Pelicans to draft Vanderbilt’s Darius Garland, a source tells Fletcher Mackel of WDSU in New Orleans (Twitter link).
Perhaps a JR deal gets us another first or moves us up from 26.
I hope so. It has been pretty quiet on that front though for a couple weeks. Most of the teams capable vying/clearing cap for FA this summer already appeared to have done so.
isn’t MIA interested in JR? and unloading one of their bloat-wear contracts?
Yeah was what I was referring to as far as rumors. Have heard nada about it since then.
If we could move back to 8 and get more picks but still land one of Hunter, Culver, Garland, or White I would do it.
But I fear that is 4-7 in some order & we would be stuck with Reddish at #8.
SI’s mock today has the Cavs taking Hunter and Jerome https://www.si.com/nba/2019/06/17/nba-mock-draft-anthony-davis-trade-zion-williamson-ja-morant-rj-barrett-jarrett-culver-pelicans-grizzlies-knicks-lakers
Love it
THEY MIGHT BE MEETING WITH GARLAND TO ” FORCE / SCARE ” BULLS INTO A TRADE _( IN CAVS FAVOR ) —WHO KNOWS / ALOT OF “DRAFT GAMES ” BEING PLAYED —————–SORRY BUCK DO NOT LIKE THAT PROPOSED “CHA ” TRADE —–SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET MORE FOR KLOVE ——-KEEP KLOVE HERE / HE WANTS TO BE HERE / GOOD AROUND THE YOUTH / GIVES CAVS A SOLID ( IF NOT STAR ) PRESENCE —–HAVE PATIENCE —DO NOT GIVE HIM AWAY !!!
This is the first time I’ve seen anything about Garland. There’s a lot to like about him… he grew up around the league, his shot looks amazing, and he looks like a natural with the ball in his hands. Also read that he did meet with the Cavs, and I also didn’t know that Duke recruited him hard last year. Biggest questions about him IMO are his bball IQ and his character/leadership skills. Hopefully they got an answer for that meeting with him. I’m on board with this pick too. Also, it looks like the Cavs have a lot options… Read more »
I like Garland, just not for the Cavs with Sexton. At some point the Cavs are going to need to have some good defenders with some size. I do think he will be a good shooter in the NBA.
IMO they’re a terrible team and need everything…. they need to get the best player, and add some more. I also disagree that the Cavs should be satisfied with Sexton as the future in the backcourt and shouldn’t seek more talent.
I think that the Cavs need the most help on the perimeter, so adding Garland would be fulfilling a desperate need, and having Sexton shouldn’t stop them at all.
Yeah I agree with CLF here. But I would also be happy if they took Hunter or Culver.
Agreed
Defense is probably our biggest need. Even if both those guys somehow become passable one position defenders (not guaranteed from what I saw last year), that backcourt would be roasted mercilessly due to their height/frames. I can’t see it working. So that basically means one of them would need to be traded. But essentially that means one was a huge waste of a pick since you won’t get equal value. Ok fine if you get a star with the other. However we’ve seen how small pg superstars even today are limited time and time again in the playoffs by good… Read more »
Also, I’m not sold at all on Garland as anything more than a good shooting guard, who is 6’3″ max. I.e., more or less a version of Sexton.
one of the ytube mock drafts has Klove being traded to CHA for #12, cody zeller and marvin williams.. i would do that as well.. cavs need to send Klove out (to a playoff contender) for more youth..
Uh. No
Thats awful. And Charlotte isn’t a playoff contender.
Not a fan of either of those dudes. Marvin Williams was ok, but he is getting old. Cavs need some decent vet players. I am wary of going super young. Don’t think that helps with player dev.
Yuck.
call me insane.. i would trade Love for the #4 pick.. Kev gets back into the playoffs..we get another rookie building block in what is likely going to be a lengthy process.. we probably win fewer games in year one.. but so be it.. add another youngster the following year in the lottery.. fire away friends.. i can take it..
he can shoot 3s and help open up the inside for zion and randle.. yes, i would make that trade, good for both teams..Kev has the playoff and chip experience, plus the steady-eddy persona that could help a young team..
perhaps we walk away with culver and hunter, plus the #26
who else are pels going to get with the #4 that brings what Klove has?
Thing is rookie contracts are incredibly valuable. The most valuable contracts in the nba if they are useful or good players during part of that contract. Plus they have bird rights after that. Not sure Pels would want to sacrifice that because Love has maybe a couple more years of being pretty good. Not sure they could contend in that time even with Zion. I would think they want a longer window. Plus maybe you get lucky and get a guy who develops quick or becomes a star type player near the end of the rookie contract. That is infinitely… Read more »
if you had to watch the lakers or pels for the next 5 years.. which team? for me easy.. pels 100% even with no chips, and LAL getting one or maybe 2.. the whole marvel comic approach to team building bores me and is bad for the sport (and all sports)
“The Lakers Are the NBA’s Present. The Pelicans Are the League’s Future.” good article on The Ringer site
LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL GET EITHER HUNTER OR CULVER —2 SOLID WINGS —THAT THEY NEED —-UNLESS THEY TRADE/ SURPRISE / SHOCK US
looks like cavs going to miss in hunter.. his stock has been rising, and quickly
so, who do pels take with #4?
if i purchase league pass for any team.. it will be the pels.. i am intrigued.. i think they are going to be pretty good, pretty quickly, and get better with time.. griffin is no genius.. but pels were lucky they landed brow, and lucky bron and LAL needed help as badly as they did.. pels got a heck of a load for davis..
also happy kry-baby leavin BOS.. and davis not going there.. too bad BOS still has all those picks
TTM—–GUESS I AM REFERRING TO THE ” RECRUITING ” ASPECTS OF FORMING SUPER TEAMS ——-HEY LAKERS PULLED THE PLUG / FUTURE TO TRADE FOR DAVIS TO ” WIN NOW ” WHICH IS A THEME –(EVEN FOR THE CAVS ) -FOR A LEBRON TEAM
The players definitely have more power than they used to. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing. If anything I think GS and Toronto have proven to some degree that you make your own luck.
It’s not inherently, but it probably does make it more difficult for small markets to retain draft picks. Most small markets aren’t in the running for big time FAs either.
Toronto could lose Kawhi to a big market even though they won the championship this year. Not that Toronto is necessarily a small market. But certainly it doesn’t seem like it has a shot as a FA destination to me. Of course no guarantee the destination cities get FAs, but they at least usually have a chance, no matter how slim.
COULD SEE THE PELS MAKING 7TH/ 8TH SPOT ———ALOT MIGHT DEPEND HOW ZION TRANSFORMS INTO A NBA PLAYER ………….SO “IF ” THE LAKERS WIN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP —–DOES THIS ADD OR SUBTRACT TO LEBRONS LEGACY —-PROVING HE HAS TO HAVE ” OTHER ” STARS WITH HIM TO WIN …………….MAYBE I AM TOO HARSH ON LEBRON AS THIS IS THE “MODERN ” DAY TREND ————“AAU-NBA ” TEAMS
Is it a modern trend? Haven’t teams always won with multiple all-stars?
anyone like ty jerome at #26?
pels make playoffs next yr? if so, how high? 8..7.. 6.. 5.. ?
I don’t see the pels making the playoffs.
No.
Nuggets. Blazers. Rockets. Lakers. OKC. That is a solid 5.
Jazz. Warriors. Clippers. Spurs. All of those teams are better than the Pels.
Count me in on Ty Jerome at 26. I think it would be a good pick.
Yep. Cam Johnson. Grant Williams. Jerome. Okeke. Some interesting picks at 26.
HAPPY FATHER’S DAY TO ALL YOU DAD’S !!– ENJOY !! ———–” MORE BEER PLEASE ” !!! : )
NOMAD.. i thought you would be passing some fine home-grown doobies.. one toak over the line my man
So depending on when the trade officially goes through and if AD accepts his trade kicker, the Lakers will have between $23.8-$32.5M. If it’s closer to the lower number, they’ll be asking Kemba/Kyrie/Butler etc to take a massive pay cut – given all of their respective injury histories, this could be their last big contract. Also, this is in the aftermath of Durant/Klay suffering significant injuries in back to back games. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but if they use the rest of their cap space for another big free agent, then they can only sign guys with one… Read more »
Yes, they could only get vet mins/ MLE if they blow their space.
Dunno if they a MLE and a BLE (which if they do have can only be used if they are under the tax).
There are some additional exceptions they could use: MLE (tax or not), Room.
NO won that trade. I don’t understand why the Lakers would do this considering AD clearly said that’s where he’s going in free agency. Interesting.
Only thing I can think of is the fact that Bron is one year older and his window is closing and GS will not be the favorite next season, which opens up the door to other teams having a go at the championship.
Depending on who they get as PG and for their bench, they could be plenty good to come out of the West.
I expect they’ll pick up one of Butler, Kemba, or Kyrie. At that point they certainly will have the talent to come out of the west. Sucks. Never want to see the lakers win another championship.
They could not blow another year of LeBron waiting. He will be 36 come 2020 when AD could come as FA.
i wish i was a pelicans fan..
https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1140085647543193601?s=19
I’m baffled by the thought that the Lakers are a championship team with kemba and AD. They will start three major minuses on D. They’ll have zero depth and the west is brutally competitive. Not to mention the fact that between rest and injuries, the three will probably all miss 20 games at a minimum.
Dunno if the west is top heavy strong anymore which is what matters in the playoffs, barring injury of course. Injuries and health are a concern.
I am a kemba fan. I could also see them getting some very good champ chasing vets at the minimum.
I know I’m probably stupid but LBJ/AD seem like a weird fit.
I think they’re both transcendent enough that they’ll make it work. They need a ton of shooters now
Really depends on who they pick up now in FA. I hope they get Melo and nothing else.
I could see them picking up JR later in the season after he inevitably gets bought out by the team the Cavs trade him to
The buyout will be before July 1st.
Anyone heard anything more about a deal for him? Got basically two weeks for that buyout to work.
https://twitter.com/CSAviate/status/1140036827371528192?s=19
This is painfully true. I would feel better about our rebuilding process if he were overseeing it. Oh, wait–maybe there wouldn’t be one if he were still here….
He gave 1/3 of the salary cap to TT and JR. He drafted one of the worst #1 picks of all time in 2014 and by his own admission voted to draft Anthony Bennett in 2013 (with Grant being the only one in the FO who objected). It seems like he was good at developing culture but there’s been little evidence that he’s good at player acquisition/retention until today.
He also handed a 4 year extension to Iman Shumpert and let everybody’s favorite try-hard Delly walk.
….and traded 2 first round picks for Timofey
Although not disagreeing that Gilbert is a scumbag (wishing him a speedy recovery).
Unfortunately being capped out we had almost zero choice as far as TT and JR. The Bennett thing is bad, and seemed bad back then.
Agreed TTM…. the hagiography of Griffin’s tenure in Cleveland is undeserved IMO.
He won a title with Lebron essentially forcing some of those moves. Watch what he does with the Pels.
Did Griffin have any good trades for the Cavs? The Love trade was only good because Wiggins was such a failure of a pick.
Price of four straight finals
The Waiters trade, that was an unqualified success I’ll give him that. Also sorry for having a ten comment long “exchange” with myself.
I’ve been on this train since day one of Griffin being let go. It’s such childish BS.
……….”MORE BEER PLEASE “………..: (
Really ticked now the Lakers moved up in the draft due to sheer organizational incompetence and undeserved luck. They can’t do that trade without the 4th pick.
Pels should have pressed for Kuzma. I don’t particularly like him, but the Lakers clearly wanted to keep him. Maybe Griff sees him as a slightly better Jordan Clarkson, like I do.
Dude. They reportedly have either the pick or the right to swap for the next 7 years. That’s insane. Kuzma is OK. Controlling two teams draft for the next 7 is something.
Ok, I didn’t hear about the right to swap….I just heard 3 firsts…I’ll have to see the details before I judge. My thing is, if the Lakers are able to sign Kemba, that’s probably a championship team. (depending on health of course)
probably?
This ain’t 2010 anymore, and AD gets hurt multiple times every year.
Darius Garland is the Anthony Bennett of this draft.
You’ll love this:
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1140035615871967232
Just shoot me.
Or Kay Felder is available
Maybe NO loves Garland? Who knows… I’d be happy with Garland, Culver, or Hunter at 5.
Why TF would we pick an injury prone PG with no track record and weak on D?
Why would the Pels take a 2 guard with Jrue already there?
Wasn’t this less than the Lakers offered last year? Though I do not know the details on the future picks. Thought Kuzma & Zubac were reportedly in last year.
OK. Untrue. Rui Hachimura is the Anthony Bennett of this draft.
That’s a good comp. Rui is better than Gummy Bear, but so is everyone else.
You crazy
Did you read David’s piece?
Yeah I disagree. There are other draft profiles that are more favorable. And specifically comparing a guy that has some elite skills to the biggest bust and one of the biggest reaches at number 1 of all time is a bit hyperbolic.
Also that said I don’t love Garland for us. Sexton is awful on d and likely will be for the foreseeable future. No confidence in him being a plus guy on d at his size. He doesn’t have a stout frame. Garland will almost certainly be as awful on d. Garland and Sexton would be exploited to hell even if they become passable PG defenders. Meaning trading one of them will be near certain. Waste of a pick since you won’t get the same value back.
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1140028434225123328
No player is worth this.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1140023139142971392?s=19
Nice – I’m glad Bron is getting a solid teammate. Hope he can make a good run at it in LA this year
I can’t find the thumbs down button
Meh I never want the Lakers to win anything. My most hated team. FA front runners. Easy road.
There’s a huge divide between being the next Steph and the next Boobie. Think Garland is in the latter category.
Boobie was never a great shooter off the bounce and could barely dribble for a guard.
OK. Eddie House and Steph
Eddie house was also 4 years older. Age does matter.
I’d be happy to take Garland if he’s available. Hard to pass up elite shooting.
We need defending, but also shooting. If we keep the fifth, I want a guy like Hunter who can hit standstill threes very accurately right now and defend at an elite level. Preferably we trade back and take a high floor pick and a potential pick. We need at least one guy that can play wing (mobility and shooting or at least potential to shoot at a good level very very soon). I definitely don’t want two complete non-shooters or guys that play a “big” role on offense. We already have way way too many of them. In fact we… Read more »
I like this dude, actually, just not for the Cavs in this draft. Has a chance to be a pretty good NBA player.
Same. He could end up being one of the top players in this draft. I expect he will. Also his handle is way tighter and better than Sexton’s was I think coming out. He is one of the few guys I think has more of a chance to be an all star caliber player at some point than just a role player. I don’t think this kid busts as in being end of bench or out of the league. But either Sexton or this kid would need to be eventually traded for us. Very high cost and somewhat of a… Read more »
Garland is likely gone at #4 if it gets moved to the Pels, they need a PG and Ball does not want to stay there. Some shooting around Zion/Jrue would be nice.
Beyond that, Suns and Bulls need PGs and I do not see him dropping past #7.
Cavs desperately need two way players. Culver or Hunter at 5, please.
Garland at 4 either way IMO.
Agreed. Unless maybe the Hawks move up to #4.
Garland would be a very nice pickup for Pels. If I were them I would demand Hart in that trade in addition to number 4, Kuzma, Ingram.
Nice post, David! Though Radiohead is awesome. At least before 2007.
I don’t want any part of Garland, and I’m betting he has a promise from the Suns