Recap: Milwaukee 129, Cleveland 112 (Pick Your Poison)
2019-10-29Traveling to Milwaukee to face the Bucks on Monday night the Cavaliers had to game plan for how to stop an all too familiar type of offense: one that forces opponents to choose between stopping a dynamic star player that is close to unstoppable or stopping the three point snipers posted all around him. All things considered, the Cavs were reasonably successful in that struggle. The final score of Milwaukee 129 to Cleveland’s 112 was obviously not a victory but there were promising signs of success in being able to considerably stifle the “Greek Freak” and force the shooters around him to carry the offense. While the Wine and Gold were unable to steal a win against the formidable Bucks roster, these small victories are what must carry teams stuck in the NBA purgatory of a “rebuild”. In that light, and with some inspiration from EG’s style, I will break things down into “the Bad”, the “Good”, and then don my personal set of Wine and Gold colored glasses for my take on “the Hopeful” things from the game that might otherwise go unnoticed.
The Bad
The ultimate problem with “picking your poison” is that whatever you pick is still poison. While the Cavs, and specifically Thompson, did an admirable job building walls in front of Giannis, that led to too many knock down shooters left open or harried by a late closeout at best. The Bucks did not waste these opportunities and poured in the triples early and often. TT continually did his best to hold strong against The Alphabet’s stampeding drives, but he couldn’t do it alone. Cleveland did a good job of using help defenders to form a wall in front of Giannis which invariably led to one perimeter shooter getting just enough freedom to get a quality look. The benefit of selecting the poison of “shooters” is that shooters can miss. They didn’t miss.
Offensively the Cavs did not have the same kind of prolific success that they did two nights prior versus Indiana. Antetokounmpo was guarding Love for most of the night and so he just did not have the same freedom and space to operate. Well into the first half most of Love’s touches were less than productive possessions outside the three point line that led to the offense moving on to another option. An early scoring run by Cedi Osman and some efficient hooks from TT kept them in it early and actually leading to end the first quarter. Unfortunately Milwaukee stayed scorching hot and with the Cavs only hitting three triples in the first half, keeping up with the Bucks offense was simply unteneble. The “make or miss league” refrain only excuses so much of Cleveland’s scoring trouble when ill advised early threes and iso drives into traffic began to continually make the defense’s job harder by leading to repetitive transition opportunities.
Sexton and Garland both had considerable defensive woes when Milwaukee’s guards drove to the basket instead of Giannis. Bledsoe and Hill specifically seemed to get a shoulder in front of the young Cavalier point guards almost at will, though luckily Bledsoe did them the favor of missing several of those easy looks he got himself. For as much success as Thompson (and Nance to a degree) had in stopping the “Greak Freak” it is a little surprising the Bucks didn’t use more guard driven penetration.
Finally, Garland and Sexton had much less success playmaking and running the offense. Kevin Love’s slow start gave the young point guards a little less room to work with and they ended up with a combined three assists versus four turnovers. It would be easier to forgive a few of their miscues if their lack of assists were just due to shots not falling, but time after time the two youngsters would miss Love popping out to the three point line. Not only did they miss out on getting him an open three but it also kept Love from getting some quality looks and makes that could have consequently relieved a lot of pressure from the offense earlier in the game.
The Good
For all the hiccups and all the threes they gave up the Cavs did have quite a few defensive successes. Most of them involved that guy, TT, sacrificing his body to get slammed into again and again by the “Greek Freak”. Using hastily assembled walls of Thompson and the next closest defender Cleveland was able to force Giannis into a wildly inefficient night. Keeping the Bucks biggest weapon to 14 points on 15 shots would have seemed like a minor miracle to last year’s Cavs. In picking your poison between dunks and threes, stopping the dunks is probably the best bet for this team to have a shot at pulling off an upset (remember Houston missing 27 straight threes, it happens…). TT and LNJ should be commended for repeatedly putting their bodies at risk to stop a freight train and it was amazing how often that physical presence caused a Giannis mistake. There was a later game fast break where it was somewhat surprising to see Giannis pass up an open dunk to pass to George Hill for a layup, but in a post game interview Antetokounmpo admitted he passed it because his legs were too tired to dunk. That alone earns the Cavs bigs an “A” for the night.
On the offensive end Cleveland did end up with a rather balanced scoring effort. Clarkson had an efficient enough 17 points on 13 attempts and even included four assists. Cedi had a bit of a bounce back game scoring 10 points mostly early until being seemingly forgotten about again in the offense. Kevin Porter Jr.’s shot selection seems to be slowly improving despite the fact the the refs seem to enjoy giving the benefit of the doubt to his opponents. Larry Nance Jr managed to put up 15 points on nine shots while shooting 50% from three point range. Love and Thompson managed to put up 15 and 17 points respectively, despite not doing so as efficiently as the last game. Finally Sexton put a team high 18 points on 15 shots that included some impressive speedy layups and even one instance of remembering to use the glass. If Sexton can just start remembering to look for Love on pick and pops then his scoring will become all that much more valuable.
All in all the Cavs showed the overall weaknesses of a team in their position while also showing glimpses of how things could grow and improve. They managed to actually cut Milwaukee’s lead all the way down to just five points in the fourth quarter before some timely triples ballooned the lead back out again. Moral victories aside, there is value to a team that keeps scrapping and fighting. Those are the winning habits that “tanking” can easily breed out of a team and that the Cavs must fight hard against if they don’t want to sink into the limbo of a perpetual rebuild. The rookies seem to both buy in to what Beilein is doing while respecting the veteran talent on the team. The veterans have been willing to lead with a mixture of necessary-for-success selfishness while still allowing the kids room to step up and to grow. If the Cavs can continue to put up the fight that they did against the monster contender that is the Milwaukee Bucks then they will have plenty of chances to “steal” games from all different teams across the league.
The (New?) Hopeful
So what about some of the things that could be going well behind the scenes?
It is continually confusing the way that different coaches use (or don’t use) Cedi Osman. Last season the Cavs went from trying to run everything through Cedi as a LeBron stand-in to abruptly abandoning that when they realized he was NOT in fact LeBron. Since then has been somewhat of a back and forth of coaches overusing him as a spot up shooter, under using his slashing and playmaking skills, and then just occasionally forgetting to use him at all. Hopefully Coach Beilein’s current haphazard use of Cedi is a symptom of balancing the teaching of the young guards versus the steadying influence of the veteran bigs. If this is the case and Beilein just trusts that he can ratchet up Cedi’s usage as the system progresses then there is less reason for concern. If not, and if Beilein really doesn’t want or know how to use Cedi that would be a real waste of the extension he just signed. We can also choose to believe that perhaps Beilein is trying to get Kevin Porter Jr. as much run as possible until Dylan Windler is healthy and then when Windler returns the Cavs will implement a better usage of the similar type of small forward player that both Cedi and Windler are.
Another big question mark three games into this season is what has happened to Brandon Knight? It seems odd that after the media buzz the team was putting out about how great Knight looked in camp that he would suddenly become glued to the bench. Is it possible that he has been held out these games because an early trade might already be in the works? If that is the case it could be the first step of many towards balancing this roster. Also notably Coach Beilein’s plan to play Jordan Clarkson as the small forward “wolf” dried up rather quickly. Perhaps he quickly learned what kind of match up problems that might cause, or else Beilein could know that the logjam of guards might not be a long term problem after all. Time will tell.
Finally there is the surprisingly interesting question of Tristan Thompson’s ceiling. There are a lot of factors converging on why this could truly be a career year for TT. He seems to finally have gotten over his most recent batch of injuries and a healthy TT is infinitely better than a slightly injured TT. This is also a contract year for Thompson and with Cleveland in a rebuild there are many ways for him to try to establish or increase his value. He could push to be a leader and long time leadership solution for the Cavaliers or simply try to establish as many skills as possible to round out a resume for his future employers. Tristan has said he has a goal to make an All-Defensive team this year and if his work against Giannis is any indication then that is not impossible. His early season numbers are already hovering close to All Star candidate levels and if he can make the notoriously bad defense of the Cavaliers from last year into an even passable defense this year then he’ll have a great foundation for his campaign. It’s hard to predict and forecast how TT’s performance will continue since he has always been a hustle player with limited tools, but with an ability to greatly excel with those tools by sheer force of will. How will that hold up as he tries to add more to his toolkit this season? It will be worth watching to see.
The End
In the end the Cavaliers put up a valiant effort against a team nobody expected them to beat. One could easily question a few of the whistles and how some of Giannis’s shoulder rushes were not charges. One could wonder why Giannis magically went from fouling out of two games in a row to suddenly having only two personal fouls versus the Cavs. One could question a lot of such things, especially when one is a homer…though this one still can’t help but wonder…
Either way, the Bucks shot the ball well for one hell of a game and the Cavs played tough and hung in there the best they could for a long time. Hopefully this will be a collection of successes and failures that can both be learned from and even as Cleveland’s defensive rating took a hit they still showed some defensive fortitude.
Until the next one vs Chicago,
Go Cavs!
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I AM GOING WITH ” SCHERZER / NATS ” TONIGHT —-ANY TAKERS ?
Hope so. Like to see Yan get a ring.
CONGRATS TO ‘YOUNG BULL ” ——HAVE SAID THIS NUMEROUS TIMES PERTAINING TO ANY SPORTS DRAFT—–IT IS A “CRAP ” SHOT AT BEST —-HOW MANY # 1 PICKS —( YES CLEVELAND SPORTS HAS HAD WAY TOO MANY )– BUT ALL TEAMS ARE GUILTY OF DRAFTING ABSOLUTE FAILURES ——NORMALLY IT HAS BEEN SAID NOT TO PASS VERDICT UNTIL AFTER THEIR 3RD SEASON ———.. WHAT IF WE WOULD HAVE PASSD UP ON GARLAND AND HE TURNS OUT TO BE A STUD —-MOST SO CALLED DRAFT EXPERTS / G.M.’S HAD HIM IN TOP 5 SLOT …………….TO BE CONTINUED —-” MORE BEER PLEASE ‘ :… Read more »
I think it’s fair to remember that Garland has also only played 8 games in the last 18 months. He sat out all of summer league and played sparingly in preseason. His skill level is very apparent. I think I’ll give him more than a gul durn week before I decide he should be relegated to the bench or traded with Kevin Love and our 2020 1st for Tyler Herro.
Agreed. I have long term concerns and think they passed on infinitely better prospects, but I’m not ready to assign him to the scrap heap. I hope he succeeds.
Also completely agreed. if Garland was not struggling I’d be astonished
I was not a fan of him as the too draft choice, but that ship has sailed. So far I think he has shown much to be excited about, but he will obviously have rookie struggles
I think he’ll be good, probably not this year, though, for the reasons you state.
I bet the Pels wish they had taken Tyler Herro with the 1st pick now, though.
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Comment of the month
https://twitter.com/kelseyyrusso/status/1189277984424902656?s=20
No brainer.
wow.. tyler herro really stepping it up.. 26min.. 3/4 on 3s.. 29 pts.. too bad the cavs F/O seems to have followed the “conventional wisdom”..aka “consensus opinion” .. #5 surely has time to put it together, in the meantime, i will just tip my hat to all of the lower picks who are “showing” me something.. NOW.. hopefully, garland will have some truly special performances.. nothing to do but wait..cavs made their bets
tyler herro #13.. 15min.. 19 pts.. leading scorer for MIA over ATL (w/8m left in q3).. sigh, .. MIA rook kendrick nunn having a slow night.. still.. MIA got better,, no question about that.. is herro better than our #5 ?? right now.. YES.. will garland pass him by like the road runner at some pt in the future ? who knows, but to live in CLE is to live in hope (or not)
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truth hurts.. i understand..
Give. It. A. Rest.
Interesting. So you would have cheered the Cavs taking Herro 5th in the draft?
I would’ve been happy to see them trade down.
Yeah, same, but this idea that Herro was some gem in the draft because he looks good so far is a joke.
No one, including Miami, was taking Herro at 5. End of story. Very few teams likely would have taken him at 13. So you’re making a big fuss based on one good game, about literally nothing.
He looks great. Great pickup by Miami. But playing shoulda woulda coulda three games in is pointless.
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and a great haircur as well.. very old school.. buzzzzzzzzzzzz cut
plus.. big ZZZZZZZZZZ took the first step in growth last year.. and still a young pup.. i look for him to be a double double machine.. with another growth spurt this year..
Weird how there was no mention that Beilein praised Sexton after the game, said it was his best game of the season so far, and I agree. Made better decisions, took more of the right shots, fewer hijacked possessions. Also talking about 4 turnovers for the backcourt is silly… the Cavs only had 11 all game, against one of the best defenses in the NBA. Love had 4 all by himself. And Garland was good in the 1st half, literally kept them in the game, and terrible in the 2nd half. They still scored 112 points, the offense wasn’t the… Read more »
I get your points about Aexton and Garland and I wasn’t trying to specificly say they should have taken less shots per se. The times they missed Love on the pick and pop did not not necessarily end in them shooting. Love did end the game with 10 three point attempts, but many of those came later in the game. If Sexton and Garland (and more Sexton from what I saw) saw the wide open looks Love could have had it could’ve gotten the offense going earlier, but he was typically behind them and to their left and they just… Read more »
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i thought delly had a new outside shot that was finding the hole on a regular basis.. wasn’t that the talk during the world cup.. WTF happened to it? he lose it already?
He has a hurt hand and then Tacko Fall messed it up worse.
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Nice job, Ryan. I wonder if there is something more going on with Knight. Really weird.
TT is the best Cav right now with Love just behind him.
Garland looks like a guy who doesn’t know his fit on the team yet. I think he should be playing more with the second team, where he might more easily find a role.
Is Cols new handle a tribute to his favorite team?
SOLID RECAP –” EVIL JR .”——THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE “KNIGHT DISAPPEARING ACT “—AND AGREE WITH YOUR POSIBLE “TRADE THEORY “—–HOW SOON / HOW MUCH DOES THE RETURN OF WINDLER / ANTE HELP THE CAVS ———–AS MUCH AS I AM ANXIOUS TO SEE WINDLER PLAY I AM EVEN MORE ANXIOUS TO SE ANTE PLAY / HOW HE DEVELOPED OVER THE SUMMER ……….STILL THINK THE YOUNGSTERS AND EVEN BELEIN HIMSELF ARE GOING TO GO THRU GROWING PAINS FOR SOME TIME FIGURING OUT THE NBA GAME …………AS FAR AS GARLANDS ROUGH START SHOOTING ——-IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY –( WHICH AT… Read more »
big ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.. not flashy.. but steady.. on this roster.. that is worth gold..
Ryan, thanks for the write-up. They lost to a superior team, but they scored with them for three quarters, a surprising feat. Worth noting is how badly Milwaukee shot against Miami in the second half of their last game (3-24, or something to that effect)…that probably wasn’t going to happen again… Absent in your write-up, and it pains me to say it, was how badly Delly looked on D–all technique and guts, but clearly unable to defend any of Milwaukee’s guards. I am not sure a Cavs guard right now can stop a drive, downhill or otherwise. As you noted,… Read more »
Interesting they arent playing Knight even in 5 minute spurts just to play along either Garland or Sexton, they are instead going to Delly. I understand this is rebuilding but Knight is probably the best guard on the team, why not just play him, boost numbers then utilize in trade to contender for assets? This blog is obsessed with Cedi which is strange. He is really hit and mostly miss. I admire his tenacity and effort but think once Windler gets back we will all see that Cedi is mostly expendable. He is just a taller Delly who will bring… Read more »
I guess I can see how from some perspectives it could appear that some of us are “obsessed” with Cedi, but personally I don’t really see it that way. Firstly, for anyone really closely following the Cavs closely over the last several years he has been pretty much the only “young talent” that the team has been developing. Fast forward to last year and of the three choices of Sexton, Zizic, and Cedi Osman, he was the most NBA ready of the three for an entire rough season. Sexton ended up closing the year more strongly, but Cedi has showing… Read more »
Solid cap, Ryan. Your glasses are more wine and gold than mine. Glad u took this one.
No one knows how to use Cedi because he’s not a good player. He shouldn’t be starting and probably should only play in garbage time. His defense is atrocious At least Garland and Sexton continued making plays even when Love and Thompson were struggling.
Going forward I would love if Garland would be more aggressive and get more shots up.
Well that’s an opinion. You need to pick your aliases better, Cols.
Imagine watching last night’s game and seeing how many times Garland missed wide open kickouts to guys above the break in order to put up garbage floaters or layups amongst the trees (at least 5), and coming to this conclusion.
Superb write-up Ryan. Brief thoughts: I think IF we accept it’s unlikely Love is going to be traded this year, the biggest issue is TT. His play is high level right now, and even if a trade is not his motivation, it’s sure to be on the minds of the FO. Odds of Knight and TT being on this team at end of season?
Thank you much!
I’m really not sure about TT. A month ago I would’ve thought the trade more likely than now, but i could be wrong and the front office could be getting excited about his increased value.
As for Knight, since drafting Garland I’ve seen Knight as the first to go. No insult to Knight either, I actually like him…i just think he is wasted in Cleveland right now and I’d actually like to see him go somewhere where he has a chance to be important to the team’s goals and try to make his comeback
Knight is just an expiring contract. His value as a player at this point is negligible.
In general I agree…though if a trade is in the works I could still see him being held out to prevent injury. Other than that I just hope he gets traded somewhere he gets a chance simply because I like the guy.