Recap: Cleveland 108, New York 87 (or, Dunking on the Knicks)
2019-11-11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq6BqoxdoeU
Cleveland is beating the teams they’re supposed to, and they’re so young they might currently be immune to the New York night life. It was the Knicks who looked hung over in this one, as they never led and trailed by as much as 30 to the Cavs. While New York made an obligatory run in the late third and early fourth, they never got closer than 12 or 13, and were mainly aided by the Cavs freezing out Kevin Love for inextricably long stretches. When the good guys did go back to Love and Thompson, good things happened and Cleveland won going away.
The loss produced several moments of sustained booing by Knickerbocker faithful, and was so bad that that president Steve Mills and GM Scott Perry left during the game for a private meeting with James Dolan. Dolan, the lead singer of a Blues band, Straight Shot, that is objectively worse than his team, forced his toadies to hold an impromptu press conference after the game. “Dolan returned to his seat near the beginning of the fourth quarter but both Mills and Perry were out of sight for the entire second half,” New York Daily News writer Stefan Bondy reported. It’s never not fun to see the Knicks panicking.
It begs so many questions. Did the Knicks just not take the Cavs seriously? Is the Big Apple’s night life undefeated for their collection of 20-something rich power forwards? Is New York’s roster just fatally flawed? (Yes). After all, this is a team that traveled to Dallas Friday and beat the Mavs in their building. David Fizdale’s team keeps getting blown out at home though. Regardless, there are few fans with less hubris than Spike Lee and Co., and dunking on them is part of life’s rich pageant.
I don’t care if the Knicks started a 19-year-old combo forward at guard next to Frank Ntilikina whose name roughly translated means “French Gum Drop.” It’s legitimately fun to watch the Cavs come in, be the professional team, and take care of business. Collin Sexton had flame shooting out of his nostrils as he should have against a squad of slow footed forward tweeners. Sexton was super aggressive on D to start the game and blew up several half hearted Knick picks to force a couple turnovers, including one where he ripped the ball away from Barrett and raced down the court for a soft slam. Youngbull dropped 31 on 16 shots, but what impressed me were the kinds of shots he was taking: catch-and-shoot rainbow threes from the corner, knock down threes from above the break, and easy buckets out of the break. He often took an outlet from Kevin Love, scored, got fouled, or found a teammate.
In his best sequence of the game, Sexton accelerated down the baseline to contest a three pointer, hit another gear to fly up the left sideline, took a Kevin Love laser in stride, and instead of going-one-on-two, found Cedi Osman on the right wing, trailing for a triple. It was, as Eleanor Roosevelt opined, “Hot, nasty, badass speed” (queued up below).
Sexton has been a one dimensional player at times for the Cavs, a scorer who does nothing else, but he was fiery on defense with even an un-credited block and engaged. He legit was making RJ Barrett wary of putting the ball on the floor at times. The second best play of the night came when Collin was sitting on a career high 29, and instead of gunning for 30, set up a pretty oop for Tristan Thompson.
Darius Garland had a nice gane too, with a few tricky passes, and a night of thankfully not shooting too much as he got to the line and went 6-6 to finish with 12 points and six dimes. Cedi had an off night shooting with just one make in six triple tries, but he added five dimes and just one turnover.
The Cavs’ big man duo combined for 26 points and 17 rebounds. Kev was a little off from the field but made up for it with a perfect 9-9 from the line. One of Cleveland’s few sins was camping him on the weakside and not letting him touch the ball for minutes on end in the late third to let New York make a big run to cut the lead down from 30.
Thankfully, TT took matters into his own hands on a couple plays where he went point center early in the fourth and fed Kev in the post. While Thompson scored just nine, he earned every bit of his game high +33. I’m sure he was thinking about the big contracts that the scrubs he was dominating signed in the offseason while he schooled them.
Larry Nance Jr. was also solid with nine and nine. Don’t tell anyone but he’s quietly shooting 39% from three so far this season. While I hate him being so far from the middle of the paint, the stretch big experiment is paying off.
CLARKSON YAM DOT GIF #BeTheFight pic.twitter.com/rAfX3cGqaK
— Cleveland Cavaliers (@cavs) November 11, 2019
The warts this game came from Jordan Clarkson who leveraged a big dunk early into a license to fire away from everywhere else no matter the situation, and shoot 1-6 on Js and 5-8 at the rim to finish with 17/3/1 with three turnovers (it was a hell of a dunk, though). Kevin Porter Junior was similarly efficient inside with quick twitch drives, beautiful footwork, and an ability to hang and finish at filthy angles. He also came from off-screen to throw down a putback dunk over a hapless Kevin Knox. He then went 0-3 from outside. Still, KPJ had his moments.
As CLF noted in the Live Thread, the Cavs need to stop running plays that leads to shots for Delly. He flubbed two flobs and got blocked on a three. He can still rebound, pass, and set screens with the best of them, though, and he ran the best fast break of the season with Larry Nance Jr. filling up the left lane for an easy thumper.
For the Knicks, someone had to score, and that someone was Julius Randle who dropped 20 and 16 and got Thompson into a bit of foul trouble. Fortunately, Marcus Morris was a putrid 3-12 and a game low -28 to complement him. Additionally, Kevin Knox and Frank Ntilikina stink and RJ Barrett is meh. After the game, many jokes flew, the Cavs celebrated, and New York sighed.
The Cavs embarrassed the Knicks so badly tonight that the Knicks’ GM and president had to come out and address the media. Ten games into the season. That’s sumthin’
— Jason Lloyd (@ByJasonLloyd) November 11, 2019
Perry couldn't be reached for comment because he was frantically working the phones to engineer a trade for Chris Paul. https://t.co/dj4Gc1BvUT
— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) November 11, 2019
SO IF I GET YOU RIGHT —WE DON’T WANT TO FALL BELOW THE 1OTH PICK THIS YEAR AS WE OWE IT TO NO—-HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT ANYWAYS ( NO GETTING A 1ST FROM US ) —LIKE THE 2022 PICK FROM BUCKS AND THE 2ND ROUND FROM THE WIZ / 2022 ——THANKS AGAIN JASON !!!!
Real GM update on the picks:
1st round Bucks pick is now 2022 (prot 1-10). Was contingent on another pick conveying. Stll have 2022 2nd from Washington & Houston from trades related to the Kyrie deal.
We still owe the 2024 swap with Utah.
Unrelated to Kyrie:
1) Owe 2020 1st to NO (prot 1-10). If not conveyed, becomes two seconds (2021 & 2022). Korver deal.
2) A 2020 2nd to Charlotte. Our pick.
Summary of Kyrie & subsequent trades: Out: Kyrie (direct). Later: Rose, Frye, Shump, our 2018 1st (Mo Wagner), 2024 2nd swap rights with Utah, $2.1 mil in cash, Eurostash guy, Dekker, 2021 2nd, Burks. In then out: IT, Crowder (direct), Hill, Hood, Stauskas, Baldwin, Mia 2020 2nd, a 2021 2nd, Chriss. In direct: Zizic, 2018 1st (Sexton). In as part of later deals: LNJ, Clarkson, Eurostash guy, Delly, Henson, 2021 1st (Bucks), 2021 2nd,, 2022 2nd, a 2023 2nd, Knight, 2019 1st (Windler), another 2022 2nd. Do not know the current status of some of the picks, could have been… Read more »
WOW JASON YOU ARE AMAZING !!!!——VERY APPRECIATIVE —–I’M GOING ” OUT ON A LIMB ” AND SAY WE GOT THE BEST OF THAT TRADE —-ANY OPINIONS
AGREED BUCK —–COULD ANYONE –(ONCE AGAIN ) —BREAK DOWN THE ENTIRE KYRIE TRADE —-ALL THE WAY THRU —–IS IT NOW BASICALLY DOWN TO WE GOT SEXTON / ANTE FOR KYRIE OR IS THERE STILL MORE PARTS / PLAYERS / ASSETS THAT WE GOT IN THAT TRADE ——TO BE HONEST I AM O.K. WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN SEXTON —-MIGHT NOT EVER BE THE PLAYER KYRIE IS—BUT HE DOESN’T BRING ALL THE “GARBAGE ” EITHER
OK, I am sick and will give it a shot. The problem is that guys involved in the deal (IT, Crowder) get traded as parts of bigger deals, then some of those guys get dealt in multi-player deals, etc. Trade by trade: Original deal: Kyrie for IT, Crowder, Zizic, and 2018 1st (Nets pick = Sexton), and a 2020 2nd (Miami). IT, Frye, and our 2018 1st (Mo Wagner) were traded to LA for LNJ and Clarkson. Crowder was dealt as part of a 3 team trade with Utah & Sac. We dealt Crowder, Rose, Shumpert, a 2020 2nd (Miami’s… Read more »
the upcoming back-to-backs between BOS and BKN should be quite enjoyable..
The coaching staff has done a remarkable job so far….there may be more bumps along the way but if this staff was going to crap itself they would have done it by now
Be interesting if by halfway point team is still hanging around top 8…I think they’re gonna go for it then and not worry about another draft pick
Little late to the party but just finished listening to the podcast. You guys are hilarious – David killed it! Haven’t watched yet this season but from afar, seems like things are going better than planned for the Cavs. Obviously the young guys are going to have their growing pains but the effort seems to be consistent, the players seem to like each other, and the coaching staff seems to have better buy in at both ends of the floor. Honestly thought the Cavs would win 20 games this season so to be 20% there through mid November is great.… Read more »
2018. O-rating 106.8. No Kevin love for most of this.
2019. O-rating. 106.1. Kevin love for this.
The difference so far is the defense.
Interesting
CANTON CHARGE UPDATE—–DWADE –( NO NOT THAT DWADE ) DEAN WADE WENT FOR 23PTS/ 20 REB’S LAST NIGHT ——WATCHED SOME HIGHLIGHTS —( I KNOW —NOMAD IS VERY GUILTY OF GETTING OVERLY EXCITED ABOUT THESE GLEAGUE PLAYERS )—BUT HE DOES HAVE SOME KLOVE GAME TO HIM —- 3PT SHOOTING / VERY GOOD FOOTWORK / POST MOVES / STRONG REBOUNDER / AND SURPRISINGLY ATHLETIC —–WHO KNOWS / STAY TUNED ……………YOU GOING TO CATCH ANY GAMES DOWN THERE NATE IF SO GIVE US YOUR SCOUTING REPORT
This team has taken care of business like they have a professional NBA coach and are a team hungry for an identity. They feel like they have taken on TT’s identity actually. Not overly talented but they hustle, are unexpectedly physical, and have a rapacious work ethic that makes underestimating them disastrous. TT has bugged the heck out of me for 2 straight seasons because his contract is not commensurate with his talent (his impact when healthy is undeniable though). But he has made a believer out of me so far. Good on you TT. And good on you coach.… Read more »
Finally got through the replay.
Sexton was OUTSTANDING. It looks like the game is starting to slow down for him, which is beautiful to see.
KPJ’s movement in heavy traffic is looking more and more assured.
However even against this ragtag Knicks team, some out-of-form Cavs still couldn’t shake their issues. I am starting to have grave concerns about Delly and Cedi. Delly I think is capable of working his way out of his slump somewhat. Cedi – well I suspect this is just who he is and may be unlikely to develop much further.
I wouldn’t be necessarily concerned with either Cedi or Delly right now. Cedi has the highest net rating on the team according the NBA.com, has a positive DBPM according to BBRef, and is shooting over 40% from 3. I’ve been tough on him, but the numbers are saying he’s playing damn well. As long as he’s not doing too much, he’s a net positive IMO. Hopefully he just continues to do what he’s been doing… I’m afraid of a regression to his career mean. Delly has the only positive net rating from the bench crew and an above average DBPM… Read more »
Clf handled this but I wanted to say it before i read his comment. Those two are still plus players when they suck usually. Pop either one on a team with an identity (as we have seen in the past in their careers) and you will see their numbers stabilize. Even then, they are good bets to have a positive impact on the floor.
Eh. Delly’s ability to contribute beyond his complete inability to score is impressive. On a better team he’d be buried tbh. Hopefully his shot comes around.
wiggins is almost getting to be worth his paycheck.. he is certainly bolstering his trade value for the wolves, although i can’t believe they will trade him while he is on the upswing..
He has a 19.6 PER (Good for his crap career, not worth much in return though) and is shooting 31% from 3. 53.9% TS for a 6’7″ volume shooting wing is not good. He takes too many shots from Towns. He at least has a neutral BPM so far, but he is and always will be fools gold.
https://twitter.com/channingfrye/status/1194130013270007809?s=20
WELCOME BACK BUCKAROO !!!!!!!!!!!—-: )—SOME VERY GOOD INPUT —-AGREE THERE SHOULD BE NO TALK OF TRADING SEXTON–HE IS A WARRIOR AND ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER
sometimes my passions get the better of me.. and i don’t even watch the games in real-time.. just show me some unexpected upside, show me some effort.. i am from the 216.. for decades !!! i love me some sexton.. that young fella is inspiring.. hopefully, some of his swagger will wear off on very young darius.. the pair could be special..
Nov 12 – Dec 31.. 24 games.. the only “weak” teams to be faced are ORL 2x.. NYK, CHA, DET, MEM, ATL, MIN(?) 1x each (8 games).. the remaInder (3 vs PHI.. 2 vs BOS.. 2 vs MIL.. 2 vs MIA.. 2 vs TOR.. and 1x vs SA, HOU, POR, BKN, DAL) 16 games.. i think they can perhaps win 5/8 against the “weak”.. and maybe 4 or 5 out of 16 vs the better teams (although i wouldn’t bet more than i wager on the lottery on that outcome).. at the end of ’19.. they may be at 14W… Read more »
Once Griffin gets back, Detroit will not be weak.
Good info on the schedule.
JASON SOME VERY INTERESTING STATS –AM SURE / HOPING COACHES USE THESE STATS TO SHOW TO PLAYERS / STRENGTHS / WEAKNESSES ——CEDI NEEDS TO GET FT SHOOTING TO ABOUT 75 % ——-OUCH ON KPJ/ DELLY’S 3 PT % AND ALSO JC’S ——-GARLANDS OVERALL NUMBERS WILL IMPROVE AS SEASON PROGRESSES ……..LNJ HOVERING AROUND THAT 40% 3 PT SHOOTING … WHO KNOWS …….AGAIN THANK YOU FOR THE STATS
Thanks, thought the team stats were interesting as well. Low TO numbers certainly unexpected.
Keep in mind, we have had a bunch of games vs bad teams: 3/8 with NY, Wash, & Chicago. And Orlando & the depleted Pacers (twice) are not much better.
The road gets bumpier from here.
Yes! Very interesting. Thanks.
Shooting splits for the guys in the rotation, in order of FGA/game:
Player: FG%/3PT%/FT%, 2PT%, TrSh%
Sexton: 44.3%/42.2%/78.8%, 45.3%, 54.7%
TT: 54.2%/33.3%/59.4%, 54.8%, 56.0%
Love: 48.1%/34.6%/87.0%, 61.5%, 64.6%.
JC: 41.7%/29.8%/94.1%, 51.8%, 56.0%
Garland: 33.0%/26.7%/85.7%, 36.1%, 41.2%
Cedi: 41.3/41.9%/66.7%, 40.6%, 54.1%
LNJ: 50.0%/38.5%/77.8%, 58.3%, 61.5%
KPJ: 34.6%/16.7%/100%, 44.1%, 44.5%
Delly: 27.6%/05.9%/80.0%, 58.3%, 33.7%
The Cavs should try Larry at the 3 in some closing lineups with cedi and Sexton. That’s actually a pretty good offensive and defensive lineup.
Dangerously close to the 1/8th pole on the season.
Cavs Ranks (per bbref):
PPG (22nd); Opp PPG (11th).
O Rtg (17th); D Rtg (17th)
Offensive 4 Factors:
EFG% (24th), TO% (5th), ORB% (18th), FT/FGA (10th)
Defensive 4 Factors:
Opp EFG%: (15th), Opp TO% (22nd), DRB% (14th), Opp FT/FGA (1st)
————-
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2020.html
Taking care of the ball and not committing silly fouls helps a bunch.
FRENCH GUM DROP ” –I LOVE IT NATE—GOOD RECAP—ENJOYABLE AS WAS THE GAME ———JUST THINK GARLAND -( AS YOU AND I HAVE BOTH MENTIONED ) IS STRUGGLING EARLIER WITH HIS SHOT SIMILAR TO TRAE LAST YEAR—ALOT OF FACTORS —-YOUTH / EXPERIENCE / STRENGTH / CONFIDENCE ETC ENTER THE PICTURE …….LET’S SEE HOW HIS SHOOTING LOOKS LIKE IN MIDDLE OF JANUARY / PREDICT WE SEE THE STROKE / RESULTS WE WERE HOPING FOR WHEN WE DRAFTED HIM—WHEN THAT HAPPENS THAT IT WILL MAKE HIS DRIVING / PASSING EVEN MORE EFFECTIVE …………LET’S ENJOY THESE 2 WINS AS I BELIEVE THE 76ER’S GAME… Read more »
This was a fun Twitter exchange with a Knicks fan buddy of mine from High School.
This was a fun Twitter exchange with a Knicks fan buddy of mine from High School.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1193734266380857346?s=20
Clarkson is a weird player and definitely #1 pick of And-1 Mix tape draft…dude has bizarre tendency to take horrific and great shots in span of minutes within the flow of a game. The Cavs beat bad teams and we will see how they match up with some contenders moving forward, but they arent just beating bad teams, they are crushing them. This team is not fully healthy yet and still going through some wrinkles and bumps. Really think if things start to click and they decide to keep the core for entire season, they can be weirdly sneaky good.… Read more »
The Will Ferrell is strong in this one.Top Shelf recap, worthy of pinning.
Eleanor Roosevelt… I’m getting looks at work on what the hell is so funny. Brilliant recap, Nate.
Thanks!