Recap: Miami 124, Cleveland 100 (or, Beilein Benches Koby’s Kids)
2019-11-21Objectively, we all knew the Cavs weren’t gonna win this. I mean they haven’t won in South Beach since Shaq put up 19 for the Cavs in 2010… but we all hoped the Cavs would bounce back from their current skid and at least make it interesting. It wasn’t to be. The match-up for Cleveland that saw Darius Garland and Collin Sexton guarding a starting backcourt of Kendrick Nunn and Duncan Robinson was just too much for Cleveland to handle. If you’ll recall, the Cavs traded Kyrie Irving to get Sexton and tanked last year to get Garland. Pat Riley picked up these two from the G League.
Duncan Robinson warmed up because the Cavs over-helped early, and simple ball-swings got him shots. Then the Heat started running flare screens and pindowns to get Robinson open and he hit a couple of those. Then, Duncan got open off simple handoffs or just by standing there on the wing. I can’t even really blame Cedi for any of Robinson’s makes because he was already red hot before Cedi got on him and Osman covered him pretty well. Osman got burned twice covering for GarTon’s lapses. McKinnie was scorched a couple times at the end of the first half too. Robinson hit seven first half triples, and one more for good measure in the second half.
Robinson was a supernova, but a lot of looks came off the Cavs trying to cover Miami’s first round pick in 2019, Tyler Hero who was almost as hot as Robinson. That kid can shoot. Herro scored 22 on 13 shots, mostly coming because Kevin Porter Junior over-helped and was crashing all the way to the bucket for no reason, giving Herro open looks from the corner, while Sexton and Garland just generally got discombobulated covering the wing and the top of the key. The Heat weren’t even running anything all that complicated – just setting up a primary action, watching the Cavs over-react, then lose their track of their assignments. The Heat simply moved without the ball, then swung it till the ball got to the open three point shooter.
Miami shot a scorching 12-20 in the first half from three (19-37 on the game) and 69% from the field. Meanwhile, the Cavs’ starting perimeter crew were putrid.
Sexton, Garland, and Osman are a combined 3-18 with 3 assists, 5 turnovers and 0 rebounds in the first half. It's time to bench two of them. I'd send Sexton and Osman to the pine and bring in KPJ and Clarkson or McKinnie. And I'd do it to start the second half.
— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) November 21, 2019
To be fair, those stats were adjusted slightly postgame, but the point stood. Only Kevin Love and Larry Nance’s 29 first half combined points kept the Cavs from being completely helpless. The Cavs trailed after the first half 75-48. Amazingly, coach Beilein took my advice and benched all three of the Cavs’ perimeter guys to start the second half. Delly, Clarkson, and Porter Junior started in their place, and after getting torched by Herro again, coach dumped KPJ for McKinnie a couple minutes in.
Cleveland started actually fouling people and slowing down the game and ran that lineup deep into the third. Cleveland actually played some D and won the period 29-24. The banished youngsters returned and played with more force, especially Collin Sexton who attacked like a demon. Cleveland cut the game to 16 in the early fourth before Herro got loose again, and then Jimmy Butler decided enough was enough and sandwiched a couple threes around a Herro deuce to send Cleveland to the showers.
It was a frustrating night, but at least the Cavs who know how to play basketball kept it from being a complete and total disaster (see the 50 point loss the Warriors suffered against the Mavs for an example of that). Kevin Love was scorching hot to finish with 25/13/2 while Larry Nance, who started in place of the injured Thompson, notched 16pts/9reb/2ast/0to/2stl/1blk. The Cavs offense was at its best when it ran through Nance and Love (duh). Collin Sexton got his points (19 on 16 shots) and is SOOO much better when he is playing without the ball. When he gets a run at a handoff and goes charging at the bucket, or cuts hard, he’s a very hard man to stop at the rim. The Cavs should run the foul line handoff play they used to run for Ramon Sessions for Sexton. When Collin shoots catch-and-shoot triples, he’s very competent. When he goes off the dribble he puts up goofy shots and ignores his teammates.
Jordan Clarkson let his inner Harden out when he started in the second half, routinely executing passless possessions, and ignoring his bigs to brick his way to 1-6 from downtown. Delly was 0-3 on the floor but dropped 5 dimes, and led the rotation Cavs at just -4. KPJ looked competent on offense but trailed the whole team at -24 in 23 minutes. His ability to lose shooters was the main culprit. McKinnie: very meh. 0-3 from the floor and lost Robinson a couple times when he was scorching in the second quarter. Ante Zizic’s six points and three boards also induced yawns, but God’s own Widow’s Peak was the victim of more than one horrible foul call.
The officiating in this one stunk. Check out this absymal call where Chris Silva throws himself into Zizic and then Ante gets an offensive foul call and the refs take three points off the board. I was also annoyed about a complete garbage whistle double dribble on Cedi. Silva routinely got the benefit of the doubt on calls while grabbing six offensive rebounds in 12 minutes. Meanwhile the Heat shot 23 second half free throws and the refs allowed Jimmy Butler to go 2-10 (both backbreaking threes) yet still finish with a 21/5/5 line because he shot and made 13 freebies. The Cavs never got a whistle and after getting the diff down to 16, an uncalled foul on Collin Sexton led to a four point swing and put the game out of reach. The free throw disparity was 31-16 in favor of Miami.
This game wasn’t pretty either. Both teams combined for 42 turnovers. One of those was Cedi Osman’s who dribbled the ball off his foot while just standing there, and was 1-6 from the floor. To say he’s struggling with his confidence would be an understatement. But, Cedi was only -6, and he was not the defensive culprit in this one. He scrambled most of the game because the three youngest Cavs were haplessly out of position or routinely lost their men. Garland put in another stinker: 4-12 and four turnovers. He just seems so raw. It was a mistake to make him a starter at the beginning of the season.
It comes down to this: Garland and Sexton have zero chemistry offensively or defensively when they share the floor. It’s just insane that the Cavs are starting two 6-1 guys. At the very least McCollum and Lillard are 6-2 and 6-3 by comparison. It’s not doing Sexland any favors to play together. One of them should move to the bench. I don’t know who to start instead. Maybe Porter Junior, maybe Delly. I’d prefer Knight, but he can’t stay healthy. When Clarkson starts he takes over the offense to its detriment. Delly at the very least would give them some defense. McKinnie? I can’t think Koby would be thrilled about that, but it would at least give the Cavs some defense, and there’s enough playmaking on the front line to make it work. It would help Cedi. KPJ’s defense off the ball tonight proved you can’t start him for Delly.
As for who sits, it should be Sexton. He annoys the crap out of Love and if Garland is the “point guard of the future” he ought to play. And I’ve seen enough to know Sexton is no point guard. He just doesn’t have the instincts. His 12.7% assist percentage this year and 1.4 assist to turnover ratio prove it. I’ve at least seen enough flashes to know that the Cavs have to surround Garland with four willing passers. Sexton should focus on being an off the bench two guard.
Sadly, I’ve reached one inescapable conclusion. I am probably channeling my inner Buck Turgidson here, but the Cavs have wasted their last two lottery picks. You just don’t throw high draft picks away on short point guards. It’s a wing’s league and you have to draft for size and athleticism combined with ability to play. There are plenty of short point guards that you can roll the dice on as second rounders, undrafted free agents, g-leaguers, or Euroleague guys. If they work out great, but there are plenty of options available there. The Cavs just aren’t uncovering those guys while the Kendrick Nunns, Brad Wannamakers, Fred Van Vleets, Duncan Robinsons, Carsen Edwards, are not getting drafted high and having impacts.
The whole point of NBA team building is finding a superstar or two and surrounding him with really good role players. I get if you draft a raw young guy you think you can develop. That’s why Kevin Porter Junior is in Cleveland. But why you’d spend the 5th pick of the draft on a 6-1 player who is also raw is beyond me. The number of 6-1 or shorter superstars since the 70s? I can think of three: Allen Iverson, Chris Paul, and Kemba Walker. (Post-publishing correction: I forgot Stockton and Isaiah Thomas the elder). I could throw Terell Brandon into that mix if you’re a Cavs homer. Maybe Lowry? Your odds of a small point guard being a guy you can build your team around are miniscule. And I get being bad to get more picks, even if I don’t agree with it, but it comes at the expense of wasting the picks you do have, that’s just dumb. These two guys aren’t growing any more, and Darius Garland isn’t good at anything… (hopefully there’s a “yet” at the end of that statement).
I’ll still watch, but the number of teams conjuring good players out of zero “assets” is really frustrating when you watch the Cavs sitting there with an open roster spot. Anyway, Friday the Cavs take on the team that just beat Golden State 142-94. Let’s hope the Cavs have shuffled the starting lineup by then and that KinnieLand becomes a thing. At least we can watch Luka and laugh at the Suns and Kings. Until then.
No doubt, the Cavs are hard to watch right now. Sexton was bound to have the sophomore slump that so many players have once the league figures you out and starts keying on you. Sexton certainly isn’t benefiting from playing with what basically amounts to a high school teammate in Garland. It will take time to figure it out. I don’t see the use of starting Delly over either of them unless you want him to be a steadying influence, but he’ll take the ball out of their hands. They might as well watch film if they’re not going to… Read more »
JOHNB—YOU NAILED IT !!!!!
We need LeBron and Kyrie to come back.
29 other teams could use a guy like LBJ or Kyrie. If that is the only way to build a contender in a small market, Cavs are out of luck. Thankfully it isn’t because it isn’t really a viable solution. What the Cavs need is great FO, scouting, and player development. Not sure we have that yet. But it should be the goal. Being better than other teams in those departments will ensure eventually a team will rise into consistent success as far as playoffs. Luck always helps, but plenty of teams hit fairly consistently on lower picks and develop… Read more »
To be succinct, if your scouting, FO, and player Dev is just better than everyone else year in and year out eventually you are going to build a consistent playoff team year in year out and maybe a contender if you position yourself to take advantage of opportunities. To win a ship you need luck, but to have the best chances to capitalize on opportunities to create that luck (Kawhi trade and subsequent GS injuries) like the raptors, you have to be consistently good and find gems in the draft and outside it (Siakam, Van Fleet, Lowry trade, etc) if… Read more »
Great points.
https://twitter.com/cwmwrites/status/1197906106737217536?s=20
Good point on the open roster spot. Wins:
3- GSW
4- NY, Det, Cle, Atl, Wash
5 – Port, SA, Chi, OKC, Memphis
6 – NO, Cha, Sac
————PO line——
6 – Orlando, Brooklyn
Next 7 fairly soft: at Dal, then a 6 game homestand: Blazers, Nets, Magic, Bucks, Pistons, Magic.
I think we can win one of those Magic games beat one of Nets/Blazers.
MIKEO–AGREE THE CONSTRUCTION –( DESTRUCTION )– OF THIS TEAM HAS NO RHYME OR REASON TO IT —-JUST THRU A BUNCH OF PLAYERS TOGETHER AND SAID MAKE IT WORK—–NOT REALLY ” STOMPING ” ON THE COACHING STAFF YET–JUST HOPING THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR —WHAT THEY ARE NOTED FOR –( PLAYER DEVELOPMENT—CULTURE CHANGE ) –WILL BE OBVIOS BY US FANS
Nice recap. I’ll avoid this one.
GREEKFREAKFAN MAKES A VERY VALID POINT AND ONE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED OFTEN ON THIS SITE—–WHY OTHER TEAMS CAN DEVELOP TALENT AND CAVS STRUGGLE TO DO SO——–AGAIN THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE STRONG SUIT OF THIS COACHING STAFF ——HOPING 14 GAMES IS TOO EARLY TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON THEIR COACHING/ DEVELOPMENTAL SKILLS —–NATE AT HALF CALLED FOR THE BENCHING OF SEXTON / GARLAND —-BEILEIN ” LISTENED” TO HIM : ) —-MAYBE HE WILL “HEAR ” ALL OF US AND EXPERIMENT WITH SOME LINEUP/ ROTATION CHANGES
The team construction makes little sense. It has not made sense from the get-go. They are trying to play guards at wing positions, because they barely have any wings. Not much a coach can do about that. It’s way too soon to to be talking about failing to develop talent when it comes to these rookies and Sexton. By the end of the year Garland and KPJ may look like totally different players. Just have to wait and see.
I suspect Garland starting comes not from Belein, but rather from the Front Office/ownership.
Good read, Nate. I love ranty Nate. I would not have taken Garland with the current Cavs roster — I’ve said that many times since before the draft. That said, I do think he will be a good player eventually, maybe a Kemba Walker type player. Pairing him with Sexton in the lineups is just not working, as you note. He’s deferring too much to the vets, and he has no confidence in his shot. This team can at least compete most nights if TT and Love both play. If either of them is sitting, though, they are just way… Read more »
Great review Nate.
On short superstars: no way is Kemba a superstar. Paul & AI are legit HOF players.
But you forgot two obvious ones: Isiah Thomas and John Stockton.
Still, the list is short. SGA > Sexton. And Garland is raw as hell and had a short resume when picked. Picking a guy based on a workout is always spotty, and on a shooting drill even more so.
Yeah. Totally whiffed on those two. Added a correction. Two caveats: Stockton probably had the strongest hands of any guard in NBA history. They were freaky outlier Gordie Howe hands. Isaiah Thomas was possibly the greatest athlete to play point guard (maybe only Westbrook beats him). The combination of athleticism , strength, skill, and handle were insane for Zeke (and I say this as someone who loathes the man). He also had 2(?) college years to prove himself and did it at an incredibly high level Garton never came close to.
Yep. I hated the Pistons. But Zeke led Indiana to a national title. And the twenty four? (23?) point quarter vs the Lakers in the Finals (on one leg) was one of the greatest displays I have ever seen. If he is healthy in ’88, the Pistons win 3 straight (and they damn near did anyway). Regardless, 6’1″-6’2″ guys leading teams to titles is RARE. Less so LONG ago. Robert McDermott (at 5’11”) was a 4 time MVP and two time NBL champion in the early/mid 1940’s. Bob Davies (6’1″) was a NBL MVP, NBL champ, and NBA champ for… Read more »
Isiah is the legend, Isaiah current defensive sieve.
Kemba is really really good. A star for sure. Maybe not a superstar but if either of these guys become kemba then it’s a win.
As it turns out, if the Cavs take SGA (yeah, I know he didn’t want the Cavs to take him), the Garland pick is far more justifiable. But SGA may have been a very disgruntled locker-room presence, impossible to know now.
Where is that SGA info from?
Multiple reports at the draft. SGA would not work out for Cleveland
Did someone mention legend Mark Price? I can’t imagine people forgot him in the 6 ft convo, but maybe I just didn’t see it.
How’d I miss this? Though price, the 55th pick of the draft, proves my point.
True
Thankyou Ben!!! I was just reading this and wondering how the hell no one had mentioned Price (and yet mentioned Terrell Brandon).
Without Price, Steve Kerr couldn’t have ripped off his style to coach Curry…
Without Michael Jordan (and perhaps Daugherty and Price’s injuries) the Cavs could have had a real shot at a chip long ago.
THANK YOU NATE —-WE ARE NOT GIVING UP ON THEM JUST EXPRESSING SOME EARLY CONCERNS AND POSSIBLY BETTER CHOICES / FITS WITH THE # 5 PICK—CHILL OUT COLS
Garland and Sexton will be fine. Giving up on a 19 year old 10 games into the season is hilarious. Way to have some perspective.
I’m not giving up on them. I’m saying that the probable ceiling of a 6-1 player does not justify wasting draft capital. The Cavs could have found guys with the same ceiling and a much higher floor for nothing.
Show me where in the last 30 years a dual 6-1 backcourt has worked. I’ll wait.
It never works.
Though Stockton/Hornacek, Thomas/Dumars, Thomas/Bradley come close, though the second guy there is 6’2 to 6’3″.
AGAIN THE CHALLENGE FOR THIS COACHING STAFF IS GETTING SEXTON TO “EMBRACE ” THE 6TH MAN SPOT / MAKE IT A POSITIVE —DO THINK THIS IS THE BEST OPTION FOR HIM —AND ALSO THINK IT WILL ALLOW GARLAND TO GROW / HAVE MORE FREEDOM / UTILIZE HIS SKILL SET BETTER ——-CAN’T SEE WHY COACHING STAFF AT LEAST DOESN’T TRY TO MIX IT UP A LITTLE / NOTHING TO LOSE ” BUT ANOTHER GAME ” ——-DON’T THINK WE CAN TOTALLY FORGET ABOUT CEDI —ESPECIALLY AFTER SIGNING HIM TO THAT CONTRACT —-MAYBE LIKE NATE HAS MENTIONED UTILIZE AS A BIG GAURD
Sexton better off coming off bench and bringing the energy…Garland just looks passive and even though the latest games I’ve watched little of, I cant recall when i saw him last attempt an outside shot, thought this guy was ‘lights out’. Cedi stinks and its going to get worse once Windler is back and KPJ gets better, the latter has such a high ceiling once he matures and gets a full season under his belt Love and TT and Nance just arent good enough to carry a team and this is why we are getting blown out. This is the… Read more »
Wanted to watch this one – had a fair bit happening here, thought I might steal 10 minutes of game time, checked the scores and decided there were better uses of my time. I did note at the time that GSW were being beaten by a larger margin at that moment with both games late in the 2nd quarter. I felt comforted.
VERY GOOD POINTS GREEKCAVSFAN——-ONE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THIS COACHING STAFF—-WHICH WAS HIGHLY TOUTED AS “TEACHERS OF THE GAME ” WILL LIVE UP TO THEIR HYPE AND MAKE THE NECCSSARY CHANGES FOR THE YOUNGSTERS TO GROW —-AND YOU MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT WITH TRAE YOUNG–HE WAS GIVEN “THE KEYS ” FROM DAY ONE AND THEY ARE BUILDING AROUND HIM —-I CAN RECALL SOME VERY UGLY GAMES FROM HIM EARLY LAST SEASON—-SUB 20 % SHOOOTING —HIGH T.O. RATE ——–AGAIN IT IS ONLY 14 GAMES INTO THE SEASON—NEW COACHING STAFF / NEW / YOUNG PLAYERS —–AGAINST TEAMS THAT THEY MATCH UP… Read more »
The rookie watch comparison is a fool’s errand in my opinion. Just because Ginobili was drafted so late and was developed so greatly by the Spurs doesn’t mean that he would be so great with the Wolves for example. If Danny Green was drafted by the Spurs we would say what a gem the Cavs missed. Well, guess what. The Cavs had him and couldn’t develop him.
VERY GOOD POINTS—JOHNB—-MOST MOCKS/ GM’S HAD GARLAND EXACTLY WHERE CAVS PICKED HIM——BUT THE FIT IS SO IMPORTANT ——–WHO KNOWS GARLAND WITH ANOTHER TEAM / BETTER FIT / MIGHT NOT BE STRUGGLING AS MUCH–ALTHOUGH JUST CANNOT EMPHASIZE THE INEXPERIENCE / LACK OF PLAYING HAS REALLY HURT HIM/ PUT HIM BEHIND ——-DO WE CONTINUE TO “FORCE ” FEED HIM / ENDURE HIS STRUGGLING GROWING PAINS OR MAYBE EASE THE PRESSURE —BRING HIM OFF THE NENCH ——-AGAIN THE STRONG POINTS OF THIS COACHING STAFF IS TO BE “TEACHERS —DEVELOPERS OF THE GAME “—THEY HAVE THEIR CHALLENGE —WORK CUT OUT FOR THEM………….HAVE SAID FROM… Read more »
I am all for bringing him off the bench.
Everything you said is very true, but you left out one key component, that is the most important in my opinion. The team environment in which rookies and young players are nurtured when they enter the NBA. That is equally, if not more, significant with talent . Trae Young, who projects as a similar player with Garland albeit with a much higher ceiling, was given the keys from day one and the players around him were chosen specifically to compliment him. The Cavs have a weird mix of youngsters that want to prove they belong and veterans on expiring deals… Read more »
Knox, both Bridges, and SGA were taken immediately after Sexton. SGA obviously would have been a better pick. Both Bridges probably would have been as well. Knox is unclear. He has physical tools and a three point shot, but remains pretty raw and it is unclear what he will be. SGA was miss but Sexton was largely considered a safe pick at least as far of where he projected to fall. It is his second year and I am not yet ready to say he will have a worse career than Knox or the Bridges. Garland was just poor decision… Read more »
Pick on talent, trade for fit – that’s the feeling I’ve had about this Cavs FO. See how it works out down the line I guess.
Good post, John. Can’t argue with any of it. Garland was not a smart pick unless the idea was to eventually trade he or Sexton down the line. (I believe that will happen at some point in the future, but I kind of doubt the Cavs planned that when picking Garland) Especially in a draft loaded with Wings and the next draft, when the Cavs may be picking top three, loaded with Point Guards.
LET ME THROW THIS OUT THERE PERTAINING TO GARLAND——WOULD WE ALL BE HAPPY IF HE CAME CLOSE TO BEING TRAE YOUNG / SIMILAR SIZE / STYLE——–TRAE HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF FULL YEAR IN COLLEGE / SUMMER BALL—PRE -SEASON AND HE STRUGGLED AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR —JUST TRYING TO TURN MY “PESSIMISTIC ‘ NATURE TO OPTIMISM WITH GARLAND
I don’t think that is in the cards. Young has top 5 vision. Garland isn’t of that mold. Maybe Garland becomes a better shooter?
VERY GOOD AND UNFORTUNATELY SPOT ON RECAP——LIKE ALL OF US WE DIDN’T WANT TO ACCEPT THE WORSE —( OUR LAST 2 LOTTERY PICKS )–ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE US THE ROI THAT IT SHOULD WITH SUCH HIGH PICKS —-THEY BOTH MIGHT / HOPEFULLY TURN OUT TO BE DECENT PLAYERS BUT NOT ONES THAT ARE GOING TO WIN YOU CHAMPIONSHIPS ——-RESEMBLES THE BROWNS DRAFT PICKS OF SO MANY YEARS ——————HOPING WHAT I WRITE HERE IS ALL “EARLY MORNING PESSIMISM ” AND THEY BOTH PROVE ME TOTALLY WRONG