2020 Cleveland Flea Market
2020-02-05If early reports of deals between the Hawks, Dubs, T-Wolves, and Rockets are to be believed, then this year’s trade deadline is gonna be nutty. (Update, this domino has fallen). The Cavs will be major players with no less than $54 million in expiring contracts available to move and plenty of guys looking for a change of scenery. To that end, don’t expect anything earth shattering for the Cavs, who will probably parlay these guys into middling picks and if they’re smart, rent out some of their cap space in the next two years to get young players and picks. To that end, I used Twitter and tradenba.com to walk through some potential deals. I guess there is one earth shattering one in there. (Also, FYI, the boardgames in our cover pic by Lisa Bowman-Stevenson is a riot with a very solid economics/trading engine at its heart. Get it here).
Trade 1: The way this season has gone, no one is signing with Cleveland, and after TT and Henson move on, the Cavs are going to need some vets in the locker room. Here’s a deal that gets Cleveland a pick and a guy to mentor next year as he did in Jersey the last few.
This is the kind of hot wheeling and dealing the Cavs are going to be pulling off Thursday.https://t.co/UfcCbEl5jz pic.twitter.com/0VuxSumaAw
— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) February 5, 2020
The Spurs get a good backup center and the Cavs get a draft pick and a vet. (Bellinelli is waived). It’s not nothin.
Trade 2: I can hear Tom Pestak cringing now. I had to find a way to get Thad to the Cavs. But again: Cleveland is gonna need Vets. Those Bulls picks will be worth something. And they need to take a chance on rehabbing players who haven’t panned out in other spots. Also, they’re looking to move Thad, because they massively overpaid for him.
This is a straight salary dump for the Bulls, but it gets the Cavs a guy who needs a change of scenery in Valentine, a solid vet (with a dog of a contract), and a 2022 first.https://t.co/njrip6bvlp pic.twitter.com/tWyt7dvXd1
— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) February 5, 2020
Trade 4: TT reportedly very much wants to be moved now, and the Cavs should get something for him before he walks. I don’t love Dedmon this year, but again: they’re renting renting their cap space to get picks. And someone has to play center. TT could actually give the Kings some veteran leadership and help them make a playoff push. The Kings didn’t opt into Giles’ rookie extension, but he’s an intriguing player that is still just 21. Would be worth a look. The Cavs could squeeze two picks from the Kings because, they have over 20 future picks in their war chest, and Vlade Divac. Eli wanted Bogdan Bogdonovic, but I don’t think they’re moving him, and signing an RFA this summer doesn’t really fit Cleveland’s window.
Cavs need to just rent their cap space the next to years to acquire assets and picks. Taking picks to do things like eat the Dedmon contract, are what needs to happen.https://t.co/ItphsEqABu pic.twitter.com/KJCsIxC69O
— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) February 5, 2020
Trade 5: Here’s the blockbuster. Cavs attach picks they got in other deals to move Kevin Love to a contender. Jauncho and Beasley got moved earlier tonight, but you could still swap Torrey Craig or Monte Morris, instead of Jauncho here, or just leave that part off and make it up with draft picks. Unfortunately, the exit of Beasley in Denver makes moving Harris a little less likely, but the rumor was that Gary Harris was definitely available, and if that was true, I doubt this changes it.
This is the kind of Love deal the Cavs should consider. Yes, they're sending out picks, but they're getting a young player with potential they can try to flip next year or 2, & they're doing right by Kev. Other pieces of this deal can be spun off too.https://t.co/Vl37A1bLdP pic.twitter.com/bDYnlYPvq5
— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) February 5, 2020
This move makes the Nuggs a little big heavy on offense – they already have Paul Millsap. He can’t play forever, though, and Love can play backup center in a pinch. Splitting the minutes at the four and five minutes at the 5 for Love gets it done. Michael Porter Jr. picks up the minutes for Jerami Grant, who has been pretty bad in terms of plus/minus impact this year. This makes the Nuggets offense absolutely loaded with shooters and gives them a ton of rebounding and passing at every position. They still need a defensive wing, but it could work with the squad they have.
Trade 6: Otherwise you’re looking at a straight salary dump with at least a first and a second to make it happen, like this.
This is probably the best the Cavs can do right now, and even then Phoenix probably wouldn't. Cavs might have to attach a draft pick or three to make it happen.https://t.co/duIrDSFlHK pic.twitter.com/eMJYUOnlvm
— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) February 3, 2020
Trade 7: Of course, there’s the “bringin it all back home” trade. This one’s a bit nuts.
The rare KLOVE trade that helps all three teams.
https://t.co/528pWtXtwb via @tradenba1 pic.twitter.com/3boxMHr7RJ— HoopsDogg (@oldseaminer) January 9, 2020
Anyway, if you take trades 1-5, the Cavs end up with a roster of Carroll, Young, Valentine, Dedmon, Gary Harris, Jerami Grant, Harry Giles, Collin Sexton, Darius Garland, Cedi Osman, Exum, KPJ, Nance, Dylan Windler, and Delly. That’s 15 guys, and it’s not awful. Sorry McKinnie. You’re out, but Denver does need a wing. Starters: Dedmon, Nance, Cedi, Harris, Garland. Second Unit: Giles, Young, Valentine, KPJ, Sexton. Third Unit: Exum, Carroll, Grant, with Delly inactive, and Windler on the DL. The Cavs are thin at the 5 and Nance and even Young might have to play some there. But they are deep, and there are enough vets to keep things from going south next year.
Delly could also be moved, but in this plan he’s not coming back. That’s too many guys under contract next year, and the Cavs will have to move some to get draft picks on the roster. While it looks like some of those vets have two more years under contract, most have low buyouts in the third year. Jerami Grant has a player option for next year and hopefully hates Beilein enough that he doesn’t opt in. And yeah, there’s a good bit of money tied up in vets next season, and the Cavs likely can only add one draft pick when Delly falls off and the Cavs have to look to build some value and then move some folks in the offseason. It’s not what the Cavs will do, but they should do something like this. No one is signing in Cleveland this summer.
TT to Houston being bandied about.
GREAT : -) ————–THINK LOVE WILL ‘CONTACT ” THE VIRUS BEFORE TONIGHTS GAME ALSO ??
Just frustrating that Koby Altman doesn’t seemingly have a definitive direction for this team – at least not one that’s clear to me. Signing Love to a max indicated that they wanted to compete for a playoff spot and retool instead of completely rebuild. Then they draft Sexton/Garland with obvious defensive limitations and limited ceilings that many of us saw from day one, completely punted the SF position, and went into tank mode. Now they’ve alienated Love/TT but aren’t going to get anything great back from them. Koby needs to find out how to get the 3×1 matrix and get… Read more »
He needs to cycle… Yeah. The Cavs tried to have their cake and eat it too, which you can’t do if you draft garbage players. And anyone six-one has to be elite at more than one thing to make up for being six-one. Also, you can’t have two share the floor with a 6-9 non shot blocking center. This is basic stuff. I blame Dan.
Great ideas, Nate. But I fear Harris is trash & the Nuggets are chasing Jrue.
No way an I attaching picks to Love. I would try to land some vets to try and stabilize things (especially a playable facilitator) & maybe he will not ne so miserable.
Also, what happened to 3?
SIMMO LMAO :-) ——–“TRADINITIS ” IS QUITE CONTAGIOUS
IF YOU GO AFTER DION “ST WEIRDO “—-HIS ” GUMMY BEARS ” HAVE TO BE THROWN IN THE PACKAGE : -) ——SHOULD BE AN INTERESTING DAY ———-THE DOMINOES HAVE BEEN SENT IN MOTION …………AM GOING TO BET –IF NOT TRADED BY TONIGHT’S GAME / LOVE / T.T ( ALREADY OUT ) . WILL SIT OUT ………………” MORE BEER PLEASE “
TT’s quad will almost certainly be just as sore. And yes it may be infectious.
I’m pretty low on Love’s trade value right now. From a basketball sense, he’s just not good enough defensively or able to create enough of his own offense to be the 2nd best guy on a team. He’s too overpaid to be the 3rd best guy on a team and stand in the perimeter for open 3s. The top teams are pretty much capped out. Out of the teams that could realistically take on his contract, bringing Love in as a second option doesn’t move the needle much. Those who would use him as a third option doesn’t really put… Read more »
I’m with you. In a vacuum, he’d be a nice addition to a lot of teams, but you’re not just adding him, you have to give up something, too — picks, maybe, at the least, a gigantic chunk of cap space. Think he stays.
Think cap space is about all people will give up.
My Love trade. https://tradenba.com/trades/MP4w3zRK2 Suns get love and two second rounders for taking on his contract and giving up Bridges. Clippers get their wing of the future in Bridges and don’t have to worry about resigning Harkless this offseason. Bridges is locked up for four years. Major and cheap piece of their core moving forward. Kaminsky gives them more size. Cavs get Harkless (who they would have to resign) and Johnson as salary dump and Clippers 2020 first which will be very low in the first round. Basically Clippers are getting a cheap solid young rotation wing they have control… Read more »
Suns give up Bridges and take love for two seconds? Don’t see that happening.
You could change the seconds to the Milwaukee pick in which case it would be a steal considering the Milwaukee pick almost certainly will convey if Giannis resigns. In that case the Cavs are giving up a pick to get off Love’s contract but getting one back. I would be hesitant to give up that pick since it is 11-30 and Milwaukee still might be decent enough for it to convey even if he doesn’t resign in which case it would probably fall somewhere around 11 or 12 if it conveyed. But I am more thinking of Sarver wanting to… Read more »
Phoenix gives up Bridges and takes Love for two seconds? Highly unlikely.
The clips pick to Phoenix, Baynes to Clips, Cavs add a good First to go to the Suns and then maybe, but still doubtful. Kev is viewed as a deficit right now.
He fits well with Ayton. It would take the sun’s believing he would try consistently on d in which case he will be a positive. Question is do teams see that? Probably not. I don’t know if the clips do it without bridges since they lose their starting sg and are trying to win now. Like I said you could replace the seconds with Milwaukee pick and shift the clips pick to sun’s. It would be an attempt to win now for the sun’s based on belief love would be a positive with a change of scenery. For LA it… Read more »
Would love the Denver deal, but I would be amazed if Denver gave up Grant and Harris for another slow big who is questionable on d even with picks coming their way. The picks alone are probably what it takes to move Love now. Considering Grant’s solid three point shooting the last few seasons I would be surprised if Denver gave up two useful players to get Love even with the picks.
Grant is bad from a plus minus standpoint. Harris is reportedly available.
Nice one Nate.
I vote #7. I’m on the Bring St Weirdo Home bus. I like Corey Joseph too, he’s a good team guy who seems well-liked.
And man, I thought Bellinelli had gone home to Italy – shows how out of touch with the league I am this year. Love to see him on the team, and I don’t mind Carroll. So #1 is palatable too.
I want no part of Dion. Toxic. No redeeming qualities. We have enough chuckers.
I agree. I figure while our team is going to suck for a while, we might as well enjoy the post-game pressers. He was so entertaining. ;)
Yeah, I’d give up a 2nd rounder to keep Dion on the Heat…
Everything you say here is true. But it would be interesting at least.
Probably gotta pull a first from the Kings out of that and send one the other way.