The Big Board #237: LaMelo Ball
2020-06-24Welcome to the 2020 NBA draft profile series. We’ll be ranking the top players in the upcoming draft, breaking them down to the extent we can, and analyzing their fit on the next iteration of the Cleveland Cavaliers. There will be a lot of assumptions about these guys, and the biggest one is due to the fact that most of them haven’t played in a public game in at least three months (or in today’s case, five). This is one of the weirdest and least top heavy drafts in memory, and most players can be described as “this guy could be good, but…” followed by a glaring flaw or three. This draft will be a fascinating to see which players took the opportunity to work on their game and fix those flaws, and which guys sat on their butts. To start it off, I’m ranking my least favorite prospect in this draft: LaMelo Ball, who finishes way at the bottom of my big draft board, one spot behind Kevin Hart.
The Breakdown: LaMelo Ball, Age:18.8 Height: 6-8; Wingspan:6-10 Weight:180 lbs , Illawarra Hawks of the National Basketball League (Australia). Splits (Pts./Reb./Ast.): 17/7.5/7.0, 1.7 steals. Shooting splits (FG/3Pt/FT): 37/25/72. Ball decided to forgo his freshman year of college to play ball down in Australia where a large number of former NBA players play. His NBL team included former NBAers Aaron Brooks and Josh Boone. It’s probably the third best professional league in the world.
Ball’s strengths include a very good handle, as he’s adept at stringing multiple dribble moves with either hand together to get anywhere he wants on the court. He’s developed a preturnatural ability to pass with either hand off any dribble, and that ambidexterity and touch leads a lot of scouts to believe he could be come a good finisher and decent shooter.
In addition his “feel” for the game is nearly unmatched for a player his age. He knows where players are and are supposed to be, can feel the defensive help, and manipulate the defense with his dribble and his eyes. Ball possesses an innate feel for pick-and-roll timing, hitting cutters, and most especially finding guys on the break and in transition with a flair that even if it doesn’t win basketball games, will put people in the stands (or at least draw TV eyeballs). He also has a very quick first step when decisive and a very quick (if unorthodox) release on his shot. LaMelo also possesses outstanding length for a lead guard and projects to be able to guard well if he’s able to hone that side of his game.
Unfortunately, Ball’s weaknesses are glaring, and they include some pretty damning trends that include at times horrific shot selection, standing around and/or not even caring on defense and a general sense of disengagement when he’s not a part of the action. He was also a poor shooter and finisher in his time down under with a very unorthodox shot form and footwork. The story I’ve heard is that the Balls developed poor mechanics because their Dad had them shooting threes and half courters at way too young an age and they developed the habit of throwing throw elbows out too wide to get more push because of it. Spencer Pearlman at the Stepien broke it down in January.
If you want to buy his shot, you buy it because of his touch and thinking there will be form improvements. It starts low, below his head, and both elbows flare out in the shooting motion. He gets great arc on his shot but his footwork is not consistent.
Ball has a lack of physical strength and compounds it by playing too upright on both ends of the floor and lacking a physicality to his game. That will be exposed in the NBA. His defensive lapses come and go in spurts, but he gets stuck on screens easily and hasn’t played in many structured defenses and the learning curve on that side of the ball will be steep. He also is lazy off the ball defensively. The lack of competitiveness in the leagues and games he’s played in is also a concern. Finally, the Ball family circus could absolutely be a distraction to an NBA as it has been since the son, Lonzo Ball was at UCLA
While it would be tempting to compare LaMelo to his brother, Lonzo, the elder Ball came into the league a much more complete defensive prospect after his relatively sane high school and college experience at UCLA. When it comes to passing and dribbling, LaMelo compares favorably with his brother, and probably has better shot form than Lonzo did coming into the NBA (but not by much). It remains to be seen if the younger Ball has the discipline and work ethic his oldest brother did.
Remember, LaMelo had a goofy high school career where he started at Chino Hills in California, then left after his Sophomore year after his dad (Lavar) pulled him out of school because he didn’t like the new coach the school hired. After that, LaMelo and the middle brother, LiAngelo, signed with Prenai in Lithuania and LaMelo become the youngest American to sign a professional basketball contract in history. After getting hurt and quitting the team. He joined the Los Angeles Ballers of Lavar’s newly formed (and short lived) Junior Basketball Association, and after winning the Championship left the league after slapping a Lithuanian player in an exhibition game. Then he joined SPIRE institute in Geneva, OH for his senior year. It’s trip that would make Jerry Garcia jealous.
LaMelo Ball doing his best Rick James impersonation with the Lithuanian Charlie Murphy. pic.twitter.com/JYos8uBLnI
— David Astramskas (@redapples) October 1, 2018
How he’d Fit on the Cavs: Lonzo is a high risk, high reward style draft pick. His comp for me is a 6-8 Jason Williams. White Chocolate was a flashy player for the Memphis Grizzlies who didn’t win a championship till he was in his 30s with Miami. He was a career sub 40 FG% player and 33% from the three point line. If Ball isn’t just a glorified And1-mixtape-tour player, then he’d be a very interesting lead guard to pair with Collin Sexton who can guard the smaller opposing guard and focus on scoring. It would also realistically relegate Darius Garland to the bench, but LaMelo could feature in three guard lineups if he can guard small forwards (he’ll have to add a lot of muscle). Best case scenario, it will take a while for LaMelo to get to where he’s a winning basketball player -at a bare minimum, 2-3 years. Lonzo didn’t sniff being close to an efficient baller till this year, and as mentioned LaMelo isn’t nearly the defender his oldest brother was coming into the league..
However, this could dovetail with the Cavs’ timeline. As many have noted, this draft stinks, and the 2021 draft appears loaded. Drafting and playing LaMelo would drive the tank for Cleveland, though watching LaMelo and Drummond together might drive me to become a Memphis fan. Still, if the Cavs could make it work, the team would fly with Ball, Sexton, and KPJ and (unnamed 2021 wing) running the floor.
What he should be working on: Strength. Conditioning. A consistent, repeatable jump shot. Defensive habits. Kineseology mechanics for injury prevention. Finishing around the basket. Pick and roll. Off ball movement.
Why the Cavs Should (or Shouldn’t) Draft Him: You could chalk up the off-the-court red flags to several things: a father intent on capitalizing on his sons’ abilities, boredom, immaturity, and/or a crazy adolescence. But the bigger issue in my mind is this kid looks like an injury waiting to happen. I just hate the way his legs flail and are all over the place when he shoots: a recipe for ankle and knee injuries. And he can get twisty on his J. His better developed brother has averaged only 51 games in his three NBA seasons. LaMelo did finish a whole season at SPIRE, but his NBL career was limited to just 12 games. While I see a frame that can build muscle, I also see spindly legs and an undisciplined past.
Futher, the Ball circus comes with costs. Lavar recently noted that all three of his kids should end up in New York playing for the Knicks, something I’d love to see happen if just for Knick futility. However, the big market concerns of his father should be a concern that is Ball is good, keeping him in the 216 could be an issue. Talkbasket.net covered as much Lavar’s recent stint on Say Less with Kaz with Kazeem Famuyide.
Ball has been saying for a long time that his goal is to get all of his three sons to the NBA, ideally all one the same team. He think the Knicks could be that team.
“They don’t have anything,” LaVar threw a jab at the Knicks on Say Less with Kaz with Kazeem Famuyide. “The last time they won a championship back in the 70’s. The bright lights. You need a whole new turnaround over there. … If you’re getting Melo, you’re getting Gelo! … You don’t need one person to change no franchise. You need the whole culture change and that takes all three of my boys.”.
Ultimately, there seems to be a lack of professionalism and dedication to the process of improving as a winning basketball player to the LaMelo experience that has to be off-putting for any serious NBA team.
Both those factors ignore the core basketball issue which is: this kid is a bad shooter who takes bad shots, doesn’t defend, and by the time he figures out how to do those things, he could be on his way out the door, if he ever does figure it out. There are guys in this draft with much lower risks and just as much upside. If the Cavs do end up with a top one or two pick and Ball is available, they should absolutely trade down. Some team will do something dumb to try to get him.
ESPN+ cancels Durant’s show, “The Boardroom.”
I guess KD could not create enough ghost accounts online to keep ratings up.
Rondo fractures right thumb in practice, out 6-8 weeks. Playoffs start August 17th. 35 days.
He’ll miss most/all of round 1 for sure.
Smart to get surgery ASAP – Lakers should be just fine through Round 1
https://youtu.be/_DzaVY5tPZg
Firsthand look inside the bubble courtesy of Matisse Thybulle of the 76ers.
I will say, I think Wiseman, Ball, Edwards have the most star potential. Also the most bust potential.
For me:
Guards: Haliburton > Hayes > Edwards > Ball.
Bigs: Okongwu > Toppin > Wiseman
Wings: Vassell > Avdija > Okoro
Result: Cavs will pick Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, or Okoro.
We pick 6th at worst. Don’t think anyone else is in the convo. Patrick Williams? Nesmith? A Bey? Lewis is another small guard.
I think that’s a good list
agree with Nate, wouldn’t have a problem with this rankings in general
LaMelo: Not Even With My Friends D***. Actually lets just say that for the whole Ball family.
Jason & CLF – what resources are you using to research prospects? Just moved down to South Florida for work and going to have a lot more time on my hands with COVID spiking down here…
found this for college comps, pretty cool little thing: https://nbadraftcomp.herokuapp.com/stats/
I usually start at Tankathon, as they have stats readily availavle, in addition to big boards & mocks. Always important to get a variety of viewpoints, however. Biases will crop in. Myself, I tend to prefer higher floor guys with proven performance + demonstrable NBA skills (shoot, defend, rebound, pass, run a team) and good work rate & IQ. At worst, you’ll get a guy who can at least do SOMETHING. Still willing to go after high upside guys, but only if they produced & have demonstrable skills (Zion, Morant, Doncic, etc). The last thing we need is a bust.… Read more »
Happy for Zizic. Good for him.
Apparently Killian Hayes not meeting with the Cavs because they aren’t interested in him.
Also, Hayes’ agent saying the Cavs aren’t interested in drafting a guard… not sure if that’s a good thing or not.
That is NOT good, IMHO.
That means we like Ball, Edwards, and/or Wiseman.
Or a locked in on a SF, come hell or high water.
If you can’t tell, I am not optimistic about Altman making a good choice here.
I agree with you Jason. We’re in no position to be picky right now, we just need talent.
I think it means a big or wing… Wiseman/Okoro/Avdija/Okongwu.
Ball and Edwards are off the table IMO, if we assume what the agent is saying is true.
I agree that Altman does not inspire any confidence.
I actually kind of like Hayes/Haliburton.
While we have needs everywhere, I think the Cavs are really bullish on Sexton & KPJ, and still optimistic on Garland.
In my view, we still could use another guard, if they have some size/length, and can shoot and/or distribute. I guess Windler\Cedi can play some 2, but I view them as wings. I guess Exum/Delly can round out the guard contingent.
i like both of the guys u mentioned, disappointed cavs arent, allegedly.
Of course, it is silly season. Maybe the Cavs are sending out smokescreens.
True, all we really know is that they didn’t meet with Hayes.
https://twitter.com/eatonam/status/1277997304239337473?s=20
Woo hoo. Twitter embeds working again. Also, hopefully you can comment a little easier.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1277634314142994432?s=20
Looks like nothing guaranteed for Wade or Bell beyond this year.
Cavs convert Dean Wade’s contract from 2 way to multi-year guaranteed. Also sign Jordan Bell. Details sparse. Do not know if there are guarantees beyond this season.
https://www.fearthesword.com/2020/6/29/21307106/cleveland-cavaliers-jordan-bell-contract
Roster now at 15: Garland, Sexton, Cedi, Love, Drummond; Exum, KPJ, Windler, LNJ; Delly, TT; McKennie, Wade, Bell, Zizic.
JR getting a shot with the Lakers as Avery Bradley opted out of playing.
Despite the pout at the end, the soup, and the brain fart in 2018, I still kind of have good feelings for Swish. Hope he can make a positive impact.
Lakers are gonna miss Bradley. A combo of KCP, Caruso, playoff Rondo, Waiters, and JR are going to need to help fill the void.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1277634314142994432?s=20
Garland did show some PG flashes. Still a long way to go on both ends.
If we are gonnabe a legit PO contender, then playing time needs to be determined more by merit than draft status.
This is pretty good if u have Insider.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1276489029983363072?s=20
Curious as to your thoughts on this.
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1276133400437559296
nothing surprising there…. coming off knee surgery sucks and he looked his best in January for sure. Hopefully he gains a lot of confidence in himself and we see a different player when games start again.
New Comment setup working for you? Still working through a couple bugs.
seems like it? I’ve had no problems and I don’t mind the new set up! Appreciate the work y’all are doing.
I haven’t done much draft prep, but Ball has been one of the only people to grow on me. His handle and passing seem like they are NBA skills and his size alone would make him an interesting point guard defender if he has the speed. He’s like a crummy Shaun Livingston almost. I think he would work with the Cavs if they were to bench one of the Sexland duo. Let’s see who I latch onto though as I look at more guys. I’m keeping my open for the next LARRY Sanders this draft. I wish I was kidding,… Read more »
Don’t you worry about the lack of any serious basketball in his past though, or at least just 14 games of it?
Here for this take.
agreed re: Ball… probably rather have him than Edwards or Anthony I figure.
I’m also just not a huge Ball fan but I could see the Cavs being “forced” to take him if they get a top 2 pick…
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Good take, Nate.
Hard pass on Ball. Can’t shoot. Lazy. Poor decision maker (despite the good vision). Plus the circus father. Been down that road. No.
If we want a taller PG, I’d much rather go Hayes or Haliburton.
https://twitter.com/SpinDavies/status/1275825371351592966
I can feel the disdain dripping off the page as I read the review. Hopefully they don’t pick him.
I think he’ll be a better playmaker than Lonzo. At worst, he’ll be a taller Rondo – which is exactly what this Cavs team needs? Cavs need a big but they’re all unproven or limited.
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