Links to the Present: Eastern Conference Muddle Edition
2022-02-18As the All Star Game approaches, there is no shortage of material upon which to reflect. And how much more terrain there is to cover when one simply looks beyond the major psychodramas. I am referring of course to Simmons-Harden-Irving-Durant (acronym not intended), that cluster of trade-curious, usually bench-bound, and often discontented divas. (H/T to CtB commenter Raoul for the last one of those formulations.) Even after the nominal resolution of their contracts and working conditions for the next three months or so, these superstars demand our attention.
Or do they? It actually isn’t obligatory to discuss the genius of Daryl Morey every day, after all, even if he does begin to resemble certain depictions of Mephistopheles as he ages. Nor must we discuss James Harden at all, unless doing a deep dive of his introductory press conference in Philadelphia — the verbal equivalent of a shrug — is your idea of entertainment. And it is certainly possible to get through the All Star break without so much as breathing a word into your mask or your shaking fist about the impact of New York City vaccination policies on Kyrie Irving who is not, in the end, the world’s most fascinating man. Leave that stuff to the big boys from Kent State, or Dartmouth — it needn’t detain us here.
Instead, with no pretenses to completeness, let’s have a slightly random look at some of the less magnetic teams in the East, where the Cleveland Cavs hold up the fourth seed. Below our beloved Cavs and the mighty Bucks, here is quite a muddle in the middle, so that is where I have concentrated my efforts.
Boston Celtics
The Boston Celtics have been on a tear. Ime Udoka’s club has vaulted into sixth place in the Eastern Conference, two games behind the Cavs. In the last month the Celtics have hung a 30-point loss on Miami, beat Brooklyn by 35 points in the Barclays Center, and stomped on Philadelphia 135-87 on the strength of 25 made three-pointers.
Before the trade deadline, Brad Stevens made a number of moves, rescuing two good players from losing teams in Texas — guard Derek White and center Daniel Theis. To get Derek White, the Celtics traded “Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, their first-round pick in the 2022 NBA Draft (top-four protected) and a potential first-round pick swap in 2028.” White is on a $70 million contract through 2025. Theis, traded from Houston for Dennis Schroeder, was none too cheap either; the German big man is due roughly $9 million per year into 2024.
The Celtics finally lost a game in February, faltering just before the break in a tight game and losing to Jerami Grant and the Detroit Pistons.
Detroit Pistons
Some developments occurred around the trade deadline with respect to the frontcourt in Motor City. The first was a reappearance: Kelly Olynyk has only played in 20 games this year, but is working his way back into the rotation, and had his best outing of the year against Boston. Probably more dramatic is the acquisition of Marvin Bagley III from Sacramento — Pistons GM Troy Weaver gave up quite a haul for this former top-five draft pick, sending out Josh Jackson, Trey Lyles, and two second round picks (sending the picks to the Bucks). Jackson is a kind of counterpart to Bagley — both are top-five overall picks who have not been able to find a starting role in the NBA. interesting read on why the Pistons paid rather handsomely for a player who might have been available for far fewer assets in the off-season.
#Pistons Marvin Bagley can be a restricted free agent if they make a qualifying offer of $14.8M — which should happen.
Bagley is on the books for $11.8M this year, so DET added $3.8M by trading for him.
— Rod Beard (@detnewsRodBeard) February 10, 2022
New York Knicks
There are any number of ways to describe the current state of the New York Knicks. The win-loss record, 25-34, means the Knicks are probably one bad post-break week away from definitively falling out of the play in picture.
The New York Post describes the interplay of Tom Thibodeau’s coaching decision with R.J. Barrett’s ankle injury:
Barrett got injured with 18 seconds left in a 17-point loss to the Nuggets last Tuesday. The Knicks were trailing 122-107 with 3:56 left in the fourth quarter when Thibodeau subbed Barrett back into the game, but the deficit never got any closer.
“You don’t look backwards,” Thibodeau said. “There’s different points, you look at the score, the time, and if you can make a run, then you take a shot at it. So that’s what we did.”
Unless your leg got amputated, you’re day to day in Thibs eyes
— Omar (@KingBacca22x) February 14, 2022
One year ago Julius Randle was named an All Star reserve, but there’s been little joy for him since last year’s five game first-round playoff series loss against Atlanta. As New York was about to conclude its embarrassing loss on Wednesday to Patty Mills, Marcus Aldridge, and a bunch of the Brooklyn Nets’ second stringers, Randle walked off the court without even looking to see if the Knicks’ last shot would go in. Evidently it is exhausting work trying to carry the New York Knicks franchise. Randle poured in 31 points and had praise for Coach Thibs after the game, but that sense of fatigue and frustration is palpable.
Charlotte Hornets
It’s possible that Hornets GM Mitch Kupchak had Cleveland’s size in mind at the trade deadline when he sent veteran backup guard Ish Smith back to Washington (along with center Vernon Carey and a second-round pick) for the sparkplug Montrezl Harrell. Harrell missed a chance to win the game at the free throw line versus Miami, but he seems to be fitting in well, and is a good fit for Charlotte’s timeline. At the start of the season Kupchak seemed to admit that Myles Plumlee was a temporary solution at center, and clearly saw no particular spark in Vernon Carey’s total four games of action off the bench at center.
It’s interesting that Charlotte pulled off a trade with Washington, given that both teams are essentially even in the standings and presently fighting with their divisional rivals Atlanta for a play-in spot.
Charlotte has lost its last seven home games. Gordon Hayward, making about $32 million this year, has started in 48 games for the club, but missed seven games due to COVID in January and then sprained his ankle six minutes into a loss against Toronto on February 7. He is out indefinitely. P.J. Washington had been discussed as potential trade bait but stuck around — he logged 49 minutes in the double-overtime game vs. Miami and had both clutch shots and clutch defense down the stretch in that game. Sticking with the Detroit-centered look at the East, here he is in some action last week against the Pistons, which was also Harrell’s first game with his new team:
Washington Wizards
It has been a weird month in Washington. Bradley Beal was shut down for the year and Ish Smith is back to soak up more ball handling duties. The Wizards are awaiting the ability to deploy Kristaps Porzingis and try out any number of lineup combinations, including testing his fit with Kyle Kuzma. The importance of the Unicorn’s Latvian origins should not be underestimated, at least for the Wizards’ fan contingent of national security community wonks currently aching for any elliptical endorsement of NATO membership amid the Ukraine crisis. (Latvia joined the security alliance in 2004.)
Having gone 4-5 so far in the month of February, the Wizards seem to be in a kind of stasis. Rui Hachimura has been back on the court for about five weeks and had his best game of the season against Brooklyn, making hustle plays, beating Andre Drummond to the rack, scoring 20 and looking like a young Giannis Antetoukoumpo at times. Whether or not this roster can be more than the sum of its parts remains to be seen.
Tristan Thompson
Former Cavs iron man Tristan Thompson is reported to be aimed for his third team of this season, having been moved from Sacramento to Indiana, and now on to Chicago. There will surely be a great deal of ink spilled on this subject in the weeks and months to come, not least because he’s back in the East and playing for a contender again.
But for now, it’s worth revisiting an uncensored version of his Marc Antony moment from November, the soliloquy known as “No man in this world…”
live thread up!
RAOUL AGREE WITH YOU ON LEBRON—-COME AS A FREE AGENT OR NOT AT ALL—–AND YES TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT KJG // IF WE HERE AT CTB CAN ASSIST THEM IN THEIR ARTICLES I AM ” ALL IN “
HAS ANYONE EVER TAKEN NOTICE—WHAT WE POST// DISCUSS HERE AT CTB EVENTUALLY BECOMES AN ARTICLE ON KJG—-COINCIDENCE—-I THINK NOT
I hope so. I think the KJG is just a couple people who have taken on the task of publishing everyday. That is pretty hard, so I cut them some slack quality wise. Using more stuff from CtB will up their game.
I doubt if they are making any/much money from it. If they are, that might be a thing.
LEVERT// SEXTON // LAURI TO LAKERS FOR LEBRON—OK I KNOW . NO -” MORE BEER PLEASE ” CRIPPLES FOR A “PRE ” NURSING HOME LEBRON :-)
way too much at this point in his career. if he wants a good shot at some late career rings, he can come as a FA on the minimum, and promise to not be a diva.
GOOD COMMENTS// POSTS BY ALL —REFERING TO LEVERT -( WITH AN “A” ) —DON’T WE THINK KOBY WAS IN–” DAMNED IF WE DO// DAMNED IF WE DON’T “SPOT—YEAH I GUESS MAYBE WE COULD HAVE PURSUED WHITE HARDER// BUT THE COST WAS HIGHER FROM WHAT I SEE// READ—-ALOT WILL DEPEND ON HOW LEVERT PERFORMS// CAVS DO—BUT LOOKING AT THE DRAFT PICKS WHERE CAVS PRESENTLY ARE AT –( 23RD I BELIEVE ) ARE NOT REAL GOOD PICKS IN MY OPINION —NOW IF THINGS GO SOUTH RAPIDLY AND WE FALL TO AS LOW AS 16TH PICK –IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT STORY–ALTHOUGH ALL… Read more »
OK I MIGHT HAVE BEEN INCORRECT ABOUT THE HORNETS——-HOPING ICE HAS A POST ALL STAR IMPROVEMENT AS HE DID LAST YEAR—WE ARE GOING TO NEED IT !!
SO ARE WE BACK TO THE ‘WHAT IF ‘ SCENARIOS——-WHAT IF DG// CARIS ARE OFF FOR EXTENDED TIME—DOES ANYONE HERE THINK WE CAN COMPETE // WIN WITH RONDO// GOODWIN AS ARE ONLY PT GD’S —–THE REST OF THE YEAR IS GOING TO BE A DOGFIGHT—-HAWKS// CELTICS// HORNETS ARE COMING ON STRONG—-NET’S WILL BE THERE WITH KYRIE PROBABLY ALLOWED TO PLAY HOME GAMES VERY SOON —–EVERY GAME IS GOING TO COUNT—-THOSE LOSSES TO THE PISTONS// ROCKETS MIGHT COME BACK TO HAUNT US// WOULD BE A TOTAL SHAME !!
Given Caris’ extensive injury history, not thrilled to hear about this mysterious foot sprain either. Did he twist an ankle carrying boxes up to his new apartment in the Land?
While I understand the FOs thinking on the LeVert move, thinking that this group deserved a shot to compete this year, I continue to not like it very much. Yes, it is still very early. Yes, we badly needed scoring. But high volume, poor three point shooting, poor defensive guard is my least favorite type of player. Especially for $19 mil and oft-injured. I think we’d have been better off keeping our picks and taking our lumps this year. Even if it meant falling into the play-in (which is where I think we wind up anyway). If that happens, at… Read more »
kind of agree — but I’m more at 50/50 on it, and reserving judgement. if we bomb out, I will rate it as a poor move. if we win a round, I will count it as an OK move. if we win more than one round, I will count it as a great move.
I was okay with the trade, but LeVert’s injury history (it was the same in college) should give the Cavs serious reservations about extending him. If he was going to e cheap contract, okay, but he won’t be. At least Sexton has stayed on the court up until the meniscus.
SIMMO I AM SURE THE CAVS HAVE THE TOP SPECIALIST—PROBABLY CLEVELAND CLINIC—-TAKING CARE OF HIS BACK—-MY 1 QUESTION—EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT A CONTETED PERFORMANCE// AND IT WAS HIS 1ST ALL STAR GAME —IF DG WAS HURTING WHY LET HIM PERFORM AT ALL —JUST MY THOUGHT
yeah i don’t get that either… i hope we are not just “resting” him against bad opponents because as our previous losses against both HOU and DET proved we are straight bad without DG and these games will be slogfests to win
ESPECIALLY WE HAVE SOME WINNABLE GAMES WITH THIS UPCOMING SCHEDULE ——AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO WIN—-DG’S BACK IS MORE IMPORTANT LONG TERM
Damn straight.
YEP I JUST HEARD THAT ALSO DAN K —WTF —SO MUCH FOR A POST ALL STAR GAME FAST START—–KIND OF WORRISOME ABOUT DG’S BACK
DG and Caris out against Det. Starting to get worried about DG’s back. Hope they can play Saturday night, I got tickets !
I remain disappointed (at the time I remember saying I was shocked) that the Cavs were continued to play him in a game where he had already “tweaked” his back. Thought it was the height of stupidity. Really hoping he’s got a specialist advising him of how to rehab appropriately.
Not again!
https://www.si.com/podcasts/2022/02/23/crossover-podcast-lebron-t-cleveland-rumors-zion-incommunicado
Could be a good 6th man.
Front Office Update:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33354315/sources-cavaliers-promoting-mike-gansey-general-manager-assistant-role
RAOUL—THANK YOU FOR THAT ‘CLF ” MOMENT —MUCH NEEDED// MUCH APPRECIATED !!!
MAN I NEED THE CAVS BACK ON TV// IN ACTION ——NEED TO GET MY MIND OFF ALL THIS ” NEGATIVITY BS IN THIS COUNTRY // WORLD “………..” MORE BEER PLEASE ” AND SAY YOUR PRAYERS !!!
Amen, Nomad. As the world burns, it is a balm to know we’ll always have Jarrett Allen with his $30 sweatshirt and dorky jokes.
Jarrett is a total burst of fresh air in the world of egotistical diva pro athletes.
Ha. Was thinking the exact same thing this morning Nomad.
If the world ends today and we all wind up together in the afterlife, me and NOMAD call “winners” on center court!
Our boys represented well. The festivities overall is a success. Only the slam dunk contest suck. I hope that on the 100th year we get to host the ASW again with another in between!
Congrats Cavs!
agree.
the slam dunk contest pretty much defines “jumped the shark” (or, “jumped the car”) these days.
One of the things I really like about Jarrett and Evan is the effortless, no jive dunks. I like the old admonishment: “act like you’ve been there before”.
I used to watch the ASG religiously. Bird winning the 3PT with his warmups on and celebrating the final shot when it was in the air. ‘Nique & Jordan in the dunk contests. Vince Carter & Kobe, too. The Magic comeback game. Magic & Isiah duels. The play was a lot better back in the day. They had to change the format because this generation ruined it. It is still 95% garbage (instead of 100%) with the new rules. Curry was hunting records instead of getting a good shot. Only Giannis & JA played any D. PG play was sloppy… Read more »
I lived in Peoria at the time of the Nique & Jordan dunk off. All the Peoria kids were huge Jordan fans, but they all agreed that Nique got robbed.
He most certainly did. Hell, MJ missed the FT line dunk the first time, and then did it again. ‘Nique was clean.
AGREE WITH YOU CHARLIE E—STRUGGLED TO WATCH 1ST QTR —WATCHED DG// ALLEN GET SOME RUN—THAT WAS ALL I COULD STOMACH————AGREE WITH YOU JASON —DRAGIC TO NETS ” WHAT A DRAG ” —GUESS WE DID THE SAME WHEN LEBRON WAS ON THE CAVS
NBA All Start game is not my thing. Watched a bit of the first half while Allen and Garland were playing. Curry with 30 attempts! I mean, sure. MLB All Star is really the only one that works because pitcher/batter duel is still full on.
Still, nice to see our guys out there, and JA with a nice line.
Hopefully guys will rest up and come back ready to play down the stretch.
Dragic to Nets.
What a drag.
Glad our biys got the win. JA with some actual defense late. LeBron with the winning bucket. And Ihio born Steph with 50.
Worth the replay? Sounds like it at least wasn’t a snooze-fest.
Top ASG +/- :
Luka +7
Allen +6
Garland +4
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LeBron, Giannis, Steph: 1 each.
CP3 out 6-8 weeks with right thumb fracture. Regular season ends in 7. That first round series (vs Lakers/Clippers) might could get real interesting.
CP3 and Mitchell are both not playing, and both on Team LeBron, so more PT for DG and JA.
Sounds like it’s CP3’s shooting hand? He can at least keep his fitness high, ball handling will have to rely on muscle memory. He’ll be ok.
https://twitter.com/oldseaminer/status/1495567681952563201?s=20&t=-XWGCSApa31vkcdMP9jK8w
SWEETCHI—-FELT THE SAME—FIGURED 9.9 SECONDS—CAVS DIDN’T HAVE A CHANCE —THEN MOBES !!!!!! :-)
Mobley was making that shit look easy
I was so nervous when I saw 9.9 seconds to beat and was hyped when Mobley won it.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33332095/evan-mobley-torrid-shooting-display-sparks-team-cavs-nba-skills-challenge-win
right off the first rip!!!
Just need that three point shooting and range to show up in games.
expecting a 2nd half surge from the Professional!
The Cavs rocked the skills. That might have won Mobley ROY. He was spectacular. Scotty Barnes has spent the weekend auditioning for Shaqafool
haha!
AGREE SWEETCHIE—MOBES HAD THE STATS// PERFORMANCE TO GARNER THE MVP—-HEY I WILL SETTLE FOR THE ROY AT THE END OF THE YEAR !!
Totally agree, hopefully, the Cavs actually winning influences the votes for ROY versus only looking at players with similar stats on a losing team. ..
I WOULD GRAB MCKINNIE —DEFENSE ALONE// SLASHER// GREAT ATTITUDE- LOCKEROOM ——-PROBABLY GET HIM AT A REASONABLE PRICE ALSO
WOOF-WOOF-WOOF—WAY TO GO YOUNG CAVS—WAY TO MAKE US PROUD—-“IN THE LAND ” !!!!……….” MORE BEER PLEASE “
agree, really happy they won. I’m still not happy that Evan didn’t win MVP yesterday. I feel only because Cade made that big shot, that’s why he won. Evan and him were pretty even across the board.
Bulls waived McKinnie so they could create roster space for TT. Might be worth it for the Cavs to grab him. He was well liked by the other players when he was there before.
I’m all in.
Some guy wants to play with the Cavs: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33330723/lebron-james-door-not-closed-return-cleveland-cavaliers-my-last-year-played-my-son
he can come back if he commits to being a 6th man Rubio role.
Sign Sexton to an extension & then trade 2 of YB, Markkanen, & LeVert for him.
following year when he is a free agent
HAS ANYONE HEARD ANY LATEST RUMORS ABOUY CAVS PURSUING A BUYOUT
GREAT RECAP —ALOT OF WORK ON YOUR PART—MUCH APPRECIATED—–THE FINAL 20 + GAMES IS GOING TO BE A “DOGFIGHT ” IN THE EAST ESPECIALLY FOR CAVS TRYING TO POSITION FOR PLAYOFF SPOT—–THE CAVS NOW HAVE THE “BULLSEYE ” ON THEIR BACKS—TEAMS ARE PREPARING// GUNNING FOR THEM—THEY HAVE TO BE READY FOR A FIGHT EVERY GAME—-JB INFORMED HIS PLAYERS TO BE READY TO HAVE A FAST START AFTER ALL STAR BREAK—HOPING THE PLAYERS LISTENED TO HIM !!!!
yeah opposing defenses have really been keying in on DG lately, forcing other players to make a play on offense and it has hurt. Also, teams are expecting the hell out of the lob. We really need Lauri back to get another quick fire 3 point shooter/slasher in our starting unit
Getting White was an annoyingly good move for the Celtics. Not sure he shoots well enough to really lift them, but it was a good move. Wish the Cavs could have picked him up.
if the Wiz give Beal a supermax, it’s going to put them in the sewer for a long while. Supermax deals just suck in general, but Beal in particular has never shown much. I have long thought he is the most overrated player in the NBA. Not even sure who a remotely close second might be.
Harden, Young?