Preview & Live Thread: Cavs vs. Knicks
2023-04-15 Off By Nate SmithHappy Saturday, Cavs’ fans. The spring peepers are in full effect as the sounds of the frogs looking for love echo across the Great Lakes. In Cleveland, the New York Knicks have arrived to take on the Cavaliers in Cleveland’s first LeBron-less playoff series in 25 years. Isaac Okoro (knee) and Julius Randle (ankle) are both listed as questionable for game one, and I find it more likely that Randle plays than Okoro (don’t mess around with young guys’ knees – just don’t). First off, let’s go to Ben Werth for a breakdown of the most task prospect for the Cavs’: stopping Jalen Brunson, which led to a spirited debate among the CtB Faithful.
Ben Werth: 51 wins. Dope. Having to see Mitchell get roasted by Jalen Brunson, not ideal. Some guys just can’t solve their opponents. Durant can’t solve Dean Wade’s D, (I’ll never stop beating that drum) and Donovan Mitchell just can’t stop Jalen Brunson. It wasn’t just his effort level and Gobert acrimony that sunk the Jazz last spring. Mitchell tried more than people thought. He certainly tried when the Cavs played the Knicks a couple weeks ago. Unfortunately, Brunson simply owns Mitchell. DM can’t read Jalen’s moves, isn’t stronger than the guy (a rarity for Spida) and just can’t keep him out of the lane. Brunson is tough on a lot of guys, but he is a God against DM.
The way the Cavs decide to handle that will be interesting. DM didn’t draw Brunson as a primary assignment when they played this season. But Brunson tried to get DM switched onto him when it was possible. If I’m coaching, I might go a bit weird and have actually have Mitchell start on Brunson to eliminate a scrambled post switch defense on the backend. If they start Okoro on Randle who does most of his damage off the dribble anyway, that PnR is rendered useless.
If Mobley checks Barrett (who will happily shoot the Knicks out of the series if EM drifts too far), the Cavs might be able to overload enough at the start of possessions and limit Knicks ball and man movement since they will already have a matchup they like. Brunson will still toast DM, but we would be forcing Barrett to be the man by helping off of him early with EM. Brunson can beat the Cavs in a series. Barrett can’t. Robinson isn’t a skilled enough mid-roll threat to prevent the Cavs from blitzing if Brunson brings him and Allen into PnR. Brunson might go for 45 or Barrett could get hot from three, but I still think it might be better than getting there after a scramble.
Sidenote: Rubio, Cedi, Wade, Mobley, and Allen was an incredible lineup the other night that was defensively terrifying. My god was that fun to watch if you like long-armed peel backs and closed passing lanes. Rubio, even lost injury, is a fantastic defender and my favorite Wade is on the wing where he can use his feet and also help on the glass. I don’t think we have seen a lineup with Tower city without LeVert, Garland, and/or DM, but if the Cavs need one stop, I am leaning towards that with Okoro in for Cedi or Ricky depending on matchup.
Nate Smith: I literally called that lineup out in the podcast, and was overruled by Eli and Chris who said one of Mitchell and Garland need to be on at all times (and I had Wade at the four and Danny Green at the wing for shooting), but I agree. Cavs need to be unafraid to play big and play mean. If Llama plays, I want 5 hard fouls. They have to beat up Brunson and the Knicks.
Chris Francis: Ben’s talking about one possession, which isn’t what we were talking about on the pod IIRC… one possession to get a stop without DG or DM is fine, but it’s ludicrous to think they should go without DG or DM for extended run.
Nate: I don’t think it’s ludicrous in the right situations, but it likely won’t happen regardless.
Ben: I would have tried it more in the regular season, but there is no chance JB does it in the playoffs. Maybe he goes sans DM and Garland, but if he does, LeVert will certainly get the nod. In any case, Wade at three is difficult to get to without Love on the squad. Fine, but a bit of a bummer.
I have loved DM’s and DG’s effort this season and smarts (especially DG), but there is little chance both are out there in a big defensive possession.I would use Stevens on Randle some, but otherwise this should be a Wade and Cedi series…
Nate: I noted on the pod that unless New York goes very small, two of Wade, Mobley, and Allen have to be on the floor at all time for rebounding. Though raw numbers give Stevens a slight advantage in rebounding and rebounding percentage, Wade’s offensive production and height give him the advantage. The advanced stats bear it out.
I’m with Ben on Ricky. But I want the Cavs to play bigger. I worry the Cavs will choose the worst of both worlds, and not play Cedi, Raul, and Dean enough. Every time I start feeling confident about the series. I read a Fedor piece about Stevens featuring prominently in the rotation, and I am almost glad Okoro is hurting and he won’t be as tempted to play them both at once.
To me, this is JB’s series to lose, and Donovan’s series to win. Let’s hope the Cavs have figured out the rebounding and Brunson and notch the first win tonight.
P.S. A little more calculator ratting brought to you by CLF…
The Knicks are one of the best isolation offense teams (ranked 7th) in the NBA, and it’s a staple of their offense (top 4 in usage in the NBA). Individual on-ball defense is going to massive for the Cavs, especially since the Knicks will try to hunt DG or Spida on those plays.
The Cavs are top 3 in the NBA in offensive efficiency in transition offense, but they’re in the bottom third of the NBA in frequency. It’s imperative the Cavs rebound on defense so that they can run against scrambled defenses.
The Cavs are also one of the best pick and roll teams in the NBA, and it’s obviously the staple of their offense. Expect the Knicks to try and blitz the pick and roll to prevent DG and Spida from going off, this is the time for Evan Mobley to shine as a playmaker and scorer on the roll. The Cavs roll men are ranked 27th in offensive efficiency, so hopefully Coach J.B. Bickerstaff has had the bigs work on their roll/pop/pass game.
Both the Knicks and Cavs are elite at off-ball cutting on offense, and it’s something both squads should look to do more. Cavs should have an edge in this department because they’re the better passing team. Hopefully they exploit the Knicks deficiency in that department.
In lineup data, here are the top 10 five man lineups on the season for the Cavs that saw more than 33 minutes on the season, of which there are only 18 of them:
Here’s the worst five man lineups with the same minutes criteria:
What does the data say? It suggests Cedi Osman, Caris LeVert, and to a lesser extent, Dean Wade will be critical to the success of the Cavs this post-season. It also suggests the Cavs could struggle with Isaac Okoro and Lamar Stevens on the floor. Can Bickerstaff strike a balance between offense and defense? Time will tell… Go Cavs!
LT up
https://twitter.com/ChrisFedor/status/1648452540575666179?s=20
Why is Dylan Windler on the playoff roster, if he’s listed as out? Please send this guy off to retirement, or off this team.
Trae Young voted the most overrated player, by his peers, according to the Athletic.
Ouch. It’s probably not even true but man do I ever believe it!
I mean it was a poll taken by NBA players so…
I wouldn’t be opposed to starting Danny Green over Okoro tonight.
Can’t see it happening but I’d rather start Cedi and then see Danny get some run.
ESPN on LeBron’s shadow: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/36182487/how-cleveland-cavaliers-emerging-shadow-lebron-james
Draymond Green should get expelled from the league.
agree with Arch (about half the time)
No Josh Hart tonight.
Correction: he is doubtful tonight
Now upgraded to questionable
wapo article about okoro communicating with cavs about Brunson’s antics…what the heck? Okoro stunk on him. Then they say cedi was put on him to mixed results…cedi put the effing clamps on him! He scored on Allen…he scored twice out of like 8 attempts on Cedi. Turns out when you lock a guy down but your team fails to clear the defensive glass you get blamed for “mixed results”. Hysterical.
Is anyone else NOT under the impression that the knicks are a tougher out than the warriors right now? The absolute last thing I want to do is pine for Mike Brown but man does he have that team playing like a team instead of a group of talented individuals. Certainly not over in either case. Hope the kings hold on and I hope JB turns this series on its head with a major game plan adjustment in game 2.
Not holding my breath on that
You never count GSW out.. both games have been close so it’s not like the Kings are blowing them out… all they did was hold serve at home.. If you look at it… GSW has almost never lost a series when healthy since their 1st championship in 2014-2015. 2014-2015 – won against Cavs (fully healthy) 2015-2016 – lost against Cavs (fully healthy) 2016-2017 – won against Cavs (fully healthy) 2017-2018 – won against Cavs (fully healthy) 2018-2019 – lost against Raptors (Klay and KD injured) 2019-2020 – Klay out for season, Curry played 5 games 2020-2021 – lost two games… Read more »
Green with the cheap shot. Shocker.
Sacramento crowd is so good.
Westbrook tracked down a heckler 😂
https://twitter.com/BCH66223/status/1647790934988574721?s=20
Jason Lloyd doesn’t think Rubio should be playing and I agree. #FREENETO
Disagree that Rubio shouldn’t be playing, but definitely agree that the hook should be a lot quicker and Neto obviously has always deserved minutes against any guard who’s hot on the perimeter. #FREENETO
I agree and said before Saturday that he shouldn’t have been in the rotation. But it’s not like any of the other bench options did any better aside from Osman.
When it comes to Rubio, I would say the team and JB appropriately made getting him re-acclimated and reestablished, post injury recovery, a top priority the last half of the season. But, he has not looked close to his pre-injury self at any point. Maybe next season after more months of recovery. He’s at the age (32) where he could have lost a step even without the ACL injury. Right now, they should not feel “obligated” to play him over Neto if they think Neto matches up better.
The media should be all over cavs for love debacle . JB is showing everyone how little he knows. The fans bring it up but the media never does. It’s mainly on JB but Koby is no genius with roster building.
The local media are JB apologists.
There are a lot of Love haters in Cavs fandom TBH, which is why there isn’t a bigger stink. I’ve been on Love Island consistently, and have obviously been vindicated against haters.
Idiots were out there saying Love was tanking our defense, when the Cavs defensive rating has gotten WORSE without Love.
slightly forgetting that Love couldn’t do anything the first 3/4 of the year before he got benched. recall the discussion was how he had gone from almost sixth man of the year to worthless.
back then the JR haters were complaining because Love was in the rotation. now they think he should have stayed in it.
Was that the discussion you had with yourself?
LMFAOOO Roaul just making shit up, many such cases apparently!!!
wtf? you making shit up.
post the numbers if you want. i think you will find that Love was paid top dollar, and had one decent year since LeBron left — namely last year.
Holy shit… another delusional Love hater LMFAOOOO I love how all you guys ignore how good Love was the first three months of the season, but you just rather live in fantasy land
sit on it. nobody here is a Love hater.
I think Love is gone mostly because he acts like a toddler when he doesn’t get his way (there are many examples of this, and he’s admitted it himself). This front office has prioritized high character guys. It was time for him to go.
Lol. Love is high character. The Love hate is real!
Lol. High character guys don’t demand a buyout from a playoff team after they just stole hundreds of millions of dollars from the organization for being a scrub.
I don’t hate him. He helped us win a championship. I’m thankful for that. But if the Raptors beat the Bulls in the play-in, Love wouldn’t have played against them and wouldn’t have gotten a contract offer next year.
Yes, he stole hundreds of millions of dollars — SMH… Love was a plus player on the court. He struggled in January due to injury, and was booted from JB’s circle of trust. He wanted another contract so asked for a buy out since he was “out of the rotation.” And now we have the incredible shrinking Dean Wade as our only back up big.
And he waited until after the trade deadline to “ask” for his buyout and then made sure it leaked to the media. The Cavs have treated Love so much better than he deserved, it’s almost laughable.
I know it’s cool to blame JB for everything. JB is only the coach now because Love’s unprofessionalism drove Beilein out of town. Love later admitted this. I’m not saying Beilein would have ever been a good coach for the Cavs. He probably wouldn’t have. But it’s just another example of Love’s childish outbursts.
I don’t buy any of that, and even if it’s slightly true you need to manage egos/personalities in that profession. Right now we need his rebounding but we gave him away to the Heat.
Beilein probably would have taught these guys to box out if he had had the chance.
Yeah, in fact everybody assumed the request happened after the Philly game and Fedor reported it happened before the game… so it was probably leaked by sources from another team (Miami).
Granted I don’t believe Fedor’s source (Koby) for one second, it was clear putting in a clearly unhealthy, floundering Danny Green was the final straw, which is 100% justified on Love’s part.
If Danny Green playing 15 minutes to see what he looked like in an NBA game had any bearing on Love’s decision, that makes it seem even more immature after 9 seasons with an organization. So I certainly hope that’s not true.
??? It was a game the Cavs needed to win and Green played like garbage LMFAOOO I’d be pissed if Love was OK with riding the bench.
And Love played like garbage for the majority of the season. LMFAOOO. (Yes, I know you’ll tell me it was only one month).
This is a completely irrelevant conversation because Love would have never been in Saturday’s game in the late 4th quarter anyway.
Ah I see, you just like making shit up… joke’s on me for wasting my time I suppose! Carry the hell on…
???
I wasn’t up in arms over the Love move in real-time, but that’s bc I assumed a “healthy” Dean Wade was returning. It now seems pretty obvious that Dean was not and still is not fully recovered from his shoulder—either that or his confidence in his shot is wrecked—so I just don’t see how this can be considered anything other than a screw-up. Love was their one playable backup big, partly bc the choice was made not to commit minutes to Diakite. And they let him walk. Also, it seems like Love would actually have been playable against the Knicks… Read more »
Knicks don’t play 4 or 5-out small ball lineups (don’t have the personnel for it), which is typically what makes it hard to keep Love on court.
Good point re: Knicks, they play big and they stay big off the bench with Hard Rock and Obi Toppin.
But I agree about needing a back up big. I said that even before Love’s ungracious exit.
Love is BOTH high character and also a cry baby. Just calling the truth, doesn’t mean anyone doesn’t like him.
everybody knows what the “hate faction” is about on CtB.
I’ll take a high character cry baby that can rebound.